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 No.2418

Hey guys, I used to a Trotskyist/Cliffite club but have become a bit disillusioned from them. I'm interested in learning more about Stalin however, but it seems every single Stalin documentary on youtube paints him as Satan. Fill me in on why Trotskyism sucks...

 No.2420

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If you're looking for the anti-revisionist Marxist Leninist party line I suppose Espresso Stalinist's page would be a start

http://espressostalinist.com/marxism-leninism-versus-revisionism/trotskyism/

Some highlights:

1) Marxist-Leninists, unlike Trotskyites, do not attempt to “jump over” the various stages of revolution. Marxist-Leninists, unlike Trotskyites, believe that necessary objective conditions must be present before advancing to the socialist revolution. Leon Trotsky advocated “jumping over” the bourgeois-democratic revolution in Russia and proposed leaping immediately to the proletarian revolution. History confirms that Trotsky’s line would have condemned the proletariat to isolation in Russia’s bourgeois-democratic revolution and set back the struggle for socialism.

2) Marxist-Leninists, unlike Trotskyites, join, support, and build the general democratic movements. Marxist-Leninists, unlike Trotskyites, believe that the struggle for democratic rights under capitalism is important for the working class.

3) Marxist-Leninists, unlike Trotskyites, believe in the correctness and ability of the working class to have allies to rally and lead in the revolutionary struggle. Leon Trotsky also advocated rejecting the peasantry as a potential revolutionary ally of the working class.

4) Marxist-Leninists, unlike Trotskyites, are not orientated on “revolutionary wars which export revolution” that do not take into account the objective class relations within a given country. Marxist-Leninists understand that revolutions mature when the class contradictions within a given country are heightened to the point of national crisis and do not believe that revolution can be spread “by red bayonets” from the socialist countries. It must be pointed out that Leon Trotsky advocated provocations which would have proved disastrous to the Soviet Union. Lenin showed that “[Trotsky’s] ringing phrases about ‘revolutionary war’ served as a screen for petty-bourgeois adventurers, who objectively were helping the enemies of the revolution. Addressing the supporters of ‘revolutionary war’, he announced: ‘…In your objective role, you are a tool of imperialist provocation. And your subjective ‘mentality’ is that of a frenzied petty bourgeois.’” (Lenin, CW #27 330).

5) Marxist-Leninists, unlike Trotskyites, believe that socialism can be built and consolidated in one country. Marxist-Leninists, and not Trotskyites, supported and defended the former socialist Soviet Union. Leon Trotsky and the Trotskyites went to the lengths of asserting that the practice of building socialism in the former Soviet Union would serve the interests of the international bourgeoisie and not the working class.

6) Marxist-Leninists, unlike Trotskyites, do not swim in the sewer of crude anti-Sovietism and absolute condemnation of the former socialist Soviet Union from 1917-1956. It must be stressed that the history of Trotskyism has been the history of the petty-bourgeois Trotskyite slandering of the former socialist Soviet Union. Throughout the history of socialism, when the anti-communists sought to build up their arguments against socialism, they took to the Trotskyite statements as “undeniable proof” about the “problems” of building socialism. When they wanted to drive a knife into the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and other Communist Parties, they looked to the Trotskyites, who claim the cause of international revolutionary struggle was “betrayed” by the Soviet Union. The anti-communists come in many shades, but their useful puppets are Trotskyites.

7) Marxist-Leninists, unlike Trotskyites, join, support and build the Communist Parties.


 No.2423

Sounds interesting, I'll read the link too tomorrow. Thanks.


 No.2424

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And seeing that this board also includes the Maoist tradition I suppose I'll post Moufawad-Paul's "Maoism or Trotskyism?" as well:

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?g6nsqj65xpzdx5y


 No.2433

>>2424

Thanks mate!


 No.2434

>>2420

>>2424

I read both links, thanks again, comrade :)


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 No.2513

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>>2512

Yeah I gotta admit some of those do a good job showing why Trotskyism sucks. Trotsky's attacks on the Stalin Constitution are particularly silly, every single argument he made against it can be easily refuted once one understands the contexts for the various changes.

Lukács was a revisionist philosopher held in high regard by Khrushchev and a supporter of Nagy and the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries. Trotsky's archives at Harvard give third-party confirmation that Radek was in active communication with him throughout the 1930s and that the testimony Radek gave at the Moscow Trials was to some extent true (insofar as Trotsky hoped to create a "left"-right bloc inside the country.) Cliff and Callinicos are just lame in general.


 No.2523

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>>2512

Oh I remember you. I was the anon who posted with this pic.


 No.3128

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Лев Троцкий


 No.3129

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 No.3130

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 No.3131

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 No.3146

>>3130

That second comic is the most unbelievably cringy shit I've seen. Why even.




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