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 No.2664

Why did Lenin dislike Syndicalism so much? It seems like it's a system that makes the most sense for worker control. Also, can I get some info about the Workers Opposition in the early Soviet Union.

 No.2665

File: 1435698326190.pdf (483.58 KB, The Workers' Opposition - ….pdf)

>>2664

>Why did Lenin dislike Syndicalism so much? It seems like it's a system that makes the most sense for worker control.

I think you can come to the conclusion yourself if you think hard enough. You've already written down the basic premises.

>Also, can I get some info about the Workers Opposition in the early Soviet Union.

Dumping.


 No.2666

File: 1435698536040.pdf (1.01 MB, Maurice Brinton- The Bolsh….pdf)

>>2664

>>2665

Also, on the topic of workers' control.


 No.2667

File: 1435699200921.pdf (107.17 KB, Syndicalists in the Russia….pdf)

A few people you probably want to look into are Alexander Shliapnikov, Alexandra Kollontai, Sergei Medvedev, and Gavril Myasnikov.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/shliapnikov/

https://www.marxists.org/archive/kollonta/

Gregori Maximov is also good assuming you don't have biases against anarcho-syndicalists.


 No.2668

>>2665

>I think you can come to the conclusion yourself if you think hard enough. You've already written down the basic premises.

What are you talking about?


 No.2669

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>>2668

He's not so subtly saying that the reason is because Lenin was a big bad meanie who didn't like workers' controlling the means of production.

Anyway, if you want Lenin's own words (as well as those of Marx and Engels), see: http://bookzz.org/book/2379950/e6843d

>>2667

>Gregori Maximov is also good assuming you don't have biases against anarcho-syndicalists.

Maximov in "The Guillotine at Work" literally argued that Lenin was a proto-fascist and portrayed him as not much more then a masterful demagogue who enriched the soil with the blood of innumerable workers and peasants. Robert Conquest and Richard Pipes sound like objective scholars by comparison.

>>2666

On Brinton's work there's some good criticisms in this thread from a well-read user named ComradeOm (whose politics on other subjects are bad): http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1573437&postcount=41


 No.2675

>>2669

Not op but can you give a tl;dr version of why Marx and Lenin were opposed to workers councils controlling production directly? I can find the specific sections in the book you've provided. If you could just point out where it is in the book then that would be sufficient.


 No.2676

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>>2675

Essentially, there were two issues with "controlling production directly":

First, there was the issue of what Lenin called "culture," i.e. the educational and administrative experience that was required for workers to take an increasingly active part in the affairs of their own factories. Throughout the 1920s-40s there were various efforts towards this end in terms of speaking up as to defects in production or arbitrary behavior by management, participation in drafting economic plans, participation in the administration of trade unions, shop committees, etc., and so on. Note that a great many Soviet workers, especially during the initial Five-Year Plans, were overwhelmingly comprised of former inhabitants of the countryside who were in no position to handle stuff like accounting and management on their own (although, as I said, efforts were made to get them involved in such activities and to educate them in these subjects.)

Second, "workers' control" as some of its proponents advocate it does not actually equate to the socialization of production on a national/international scale. In effect it ends up pitting enterprises against one-another on the basis of essentially capitalist competition (as occurred in Yugoslavia.)

Also, another handy compilation (this time comprised of Lenin's works): https://archive.org/details/OnWorkersControlAndTheNationalisationOfIndustry


 No.2686

>>2676

Do you believe that the general idea of "Direct" Workers control is a good long-term goal once socialst states are established worldwide?


 No.2687

File: 1436532672409.jpg (61.03 KB, 635x375, 127:75, Stalin congress.jpg)

>>2686

Define "workers' control."

Once socialism has triumphed worldwide mankind will orient itself towards building communism. Obviously by then many of the elements of "bourgeois right" spoken of by Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin would be in clear retreat and the involvement of the vast majority of workers in social production would be on a far higher level and to a far greater extent than previously known.

But if you mean by "direct workers' control" that central planning is abolished and each factory operates as its own autonomous entity then no, that would be an immense reversion.




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