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 No.2964

why is /leftypol/ so deluded and biased?

on a simmilar note, why does this place have so little people? It is great for information and I could even see most of the sectarians over on that cancer bin benefitting from info here.

Is there any proper place for discussion on economics, or have the leftcoms crawled under every rug?

A place faster than /marx/, I mean.

 No.2965

Not a trot, don't worry. Just find the picture funny.


 No.2966

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To my knowledge there's no board for a discussion of economics from a Marxist point of view, and if there was it would probably die.

That being said, if you have requests for sources, feel free to ask.


 No.2967

>>2966

if you have any texts on the economy of the soviet union between the years of 1936 and up until hruschevs reforms I would be interested.

What could an average factory worker afford post industrialization?

And very important, are you in a marxist party or simply a reader?

I am sad how little economy is discussed in general, considering material conditions and human consciousness stems from the economic system in place.

Nowadays all socialists seem to care about is morality and who fucks whom where, or have illusions of idealist revolution because it is more progressive than capitalism, and have drank the liberal koolaid.


 No.2968

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>>2967

I don't have specific information on prices, but these two books should be of interest:

* http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89097074744;view=1up;seq=3 (detailing the situation up to 1937)

* https://archive.org/details/ManAndPlanInSovietEconomy (detailing the role of working-class initiative in the Soviet economy during the 1920s, 30s and 40s)

Also of interest are the reports of Malenkov and Saburov to the 19th Party Congress in 1952:

* https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1ZP6ZurgOg-ME1sZ0hUTXpvZU0/view (Malenkov)

* https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1ZP6ZurgOg-bWJRaEwyLWpTdXc/view (Saburov)

And a 1952 booklet titled "The USSR: 100 Questions Answered" for an introduction to the Soviet position on various subjects (including economic subjects): https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1ZP6ZurgOg-ZV9MT1RjZ0EzOVU/view

I'm not in any party.


 No.2986

>>2968

you should join a party if a good one is available, we are fairly small but we protest every anti-people thing the government does, and it draws attention. We always end up at the top of any movement, like for student rights.

Even a small party can be influential, look at the democratic socialist party which lead the soviet union.


 No.2987

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>>2986

>Even a small party can be influential, look at the democratic socialist party which lead the soviet union.

What do you mean? The CPSU was the continuation of the Bolsheviks, who had spent two decades carrying out underground activities against Tsarism and had created strong roots among the working-class.

Actual party membership relative to the Soviet population was low because membership standards were (at least intended to be) very high. Party members were meant to be exemplary individuals, helping to set the standard for efficiency and leadership wherever they worked and capable of carrying out propaganda and the directives of the Party. Obviously in practice many careerists wormed their way into it.

Also even though the Party was numerically small, it was able to lead through two ways:

1. Party cells (or party primary organizations as they were later called) tended to direct the activity of industrial enterprises, collective farms, academic institutions, and every other organized entity in the country. So a handful of communist teachers could exert a vital influence over the running of a school, for example.

2. The CPSU had what were called transmission belts, i.e. the trade unions, youth (Komsomol), and a great many other organizations like them. Party cells and party members were responsible for directing their affairs, at least ideologically.

Comparing all this to a random party of like ten people in the United States is a bit silly. This doesn't mean your party sucks, just saying.

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 No.2993

/leftypol/ is super sectarian, I get shit on for existing half the time.

>>2986

What party are you a part of?


 No.2994

>>2993

SKOJ and NKPJ

Union of Communist Youths of Yugoslavia and New Communist Party of Yugoslavia respectivley.

I am from Serbia, reactionary forces here are very strong. Our government has decriminalized a reactionary fascist collaborator and is trying to rehabilitate a puppet dictator put in government by the axis as his trial by the communists was 'unjust'.

I cannot see how it was unjust when France, London, Washington and Moscow found the trial justified.

>>2993

problem is the mod is silencing us as well, I see pro-'stalinist' threads get bumplocked all the time. shit sucks.

>>2987

I agree with you and have read on these matters, all that I meant was numerically small, not un-influential.

We have influence, of course not as much as the CPSU but enough to end up at the front of any pro-peoples movement. Is there no influential party in the USA for you to join? Not all matters are solvable by voting as we are both well aware.


 No.2995

>>2994

*Paris, not france.


 No.2996

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>>2994

>Is there no influential party in the USA for you to join?

The party closest to my politics is the American Party of Labor, which is one of the smaller parties that identify as communist and which has no presence whatsoever in the area I live in.


 No.2998

>>2996

The APL are pretty damn cool




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