/marx/ - Marxism

>>726
You're probably not a Sinologist but you could at least read a book before posting.

Please explain how it did so.

>>726
>>730
Alright you guys are fucking insane, I'm out.

Oy vey billions and billions. Gotta gas em em all

>>751

So all you can do is spout out historical propaganda memes, without backing them up with substance or justification? You stated an idea, and a commonly accepted one at that, but do you really understand the truth or the falsity of it, or are you just letting you head be used as a transmission point for whatever ideas someone else puts in it?

Instead of running away from adversity and closing off your mind, why not try and explain how Maoism was responsible for what you claim?

>>754
>why not try and explain how Maoism was responsible for what you claim?

I'm assuming you're asking me this because you do not believe that it was. This either means that you have next to no understanding of the history of modern China, or, that your interpretation of what happened is completely contradictory to a plethora of primary and secondary sources that historians and Sinologists have meticulously complied over the past few decades.

>>988
There are plenty of respected historians who do not subscribe to the "Mao was an inhuman beast who killed people for the fun of it" school of history. In prior decades these included William Hinton and Maurice Meisner.

But yeah here are two works in particular that refute a bunch of standard allegations about Mao:
* http://bookzz.org/book/867973/c6b230 (published by Routledge)
* http://bookzz.org/book/875398/230541

You don't need to think Mao was a great guy to not believe in silly anti-communist tripe.

>>988

Explain it in your own words, if you can.

>>988
Buddy, if you're not working directly on the archives using the only factual data that can be had about the period, nobody cares about your beliefs and assertions.

"Someone famous that a lot of people believe in said it" is not a good argument. Did a lot of people die? Yes. Do we actually know how many? No. We use statistical models for that, most of which have been criticized into the ground for their ridiculous methodology in coming up with numbers.

So we actually know how shit went down? Not yet. The happenings in the territories under communist governments are still too close for objectivity, the ideological cold war has still not let go of its grip. Until then, I honestly take most information about these places with a grain of salt since I have very little to go on and less to trust.

>>1052

Well said. Although objective history happened a particular way, the subjective idea of history in the human mind doesn't necessarily have to mirror it. There are various filters and lenses that distort the subjective image of objective history. I actually think the popular historical record of the holocaust is exaggerated as well. Any other communists share this view?

>>1062
I agree with you on the Holocaust being overblown, the same problem of methodology comes up, but questioning the numbers is politically incorrect with the guilt complex the radical left adores to take on and of course zionist influence is big in government and academia.

>>1078
But leftists and Communist Parties hate Zionism and see it as racist.

>>1105
One does not need to be a zionist to be under its influence. Norman Finkelstein got fired for not even questioning the factual accuracy of the Holocaust, but merely its use for bashing in dissent against zionist racism in Palestine. It's structural influence.

Zionism is indeed hated by radical leftists, but the Holocaust itself is unquestioned, and to question it is seen as racist anti-Judaism (I don't say antisemitic, Jews aren't the only semites though they want to paint it that way)

Just because Zionists use the Holocaust as an excuse to justify the oppression of Palestinians doesn't mean the Holocaust didn't happen, it just means that Zionists are dishonest assholes peddling bourgeois nationalism and religious chauvinism under the guise of saving Jewish lives.

Playing with numbers, whether four, five or six (or more) millions died, doesn't change the fact that the Nazis intentionally sought to genocide the Jews. See: http://www.nizkor.org/qar-complete.cgi

>>1111

>Playing with numbers, whether four, five or six (or more) millions died, doesn't change the fact that the Nazis intentionally sought to genocide the Jews

The quantities involved in the holocaust are not the only thing we dispute; we also question the qualitative aspects as well. The difference between intent to genocide and intent to deport from Germany is also something to consider.

>>989
what books are those? Its asking me for an account, I'd rather find a different source in that case, and thus I will require the titles of the books

>>1409

What is "agrarianism" and why is it stupid?

>China is the truest still standing Marxist-Leninist state and once the productive forces have reached the appropriate level they will easily have the ability to advance towards socialism if the working class so desires and liquidates the reformist elements in the party.

Dengite revisionist pls

>>1407
Try these, they should work now:
http://bookzz.org/book/867973/5778c0 ("Was Mao Really a Monster?")
http://bookzz.org/book/875398/465b35 ("The Battle for China's Past")

If they don't work then just go to the main part of the site and search for them directly.

>>1409
>China is... Marxist-Leninist

Is that why there has been such a large increase of capitalism and capitalist tendencies in the country, and why they're so willing to work and trade with imperialist powers such as the United States?

>>1829
c'mon it's a nike factory....of the people...