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File: 39333c4e02de75f⋯.jpg (158.48 KB, 1174x738, 587:369, bolshevik-jews.jpg)

 No.7600

How does /marx/ respond to the talking point of the Nazis whenever talking about Marxism as some "Jewish conspiracy", then citing that the Soviet Union's government officials was made up of 95% jews. They often like to double down on Trotsky as well for some reason even though he was purged from the party thanks to Stalin. What is the official /marx/ist response to "Jewish Bolshevism" which Nazis often like to cite as anything to the left of Adolf Hitler, including moderate liberalism.

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Ismail Edit: If you're a fascist and want to argue in favor of fascism and/or that Marxism is Jewish, keep all such discussion in this thread.

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 No.7601

File: 6a1dc1d1bb69b8e⋯.jpg (179.82 KB, 1245x900, 83:60, 1976_CPA_4556_Vladimir_Len….jpg)

I'll quote snippets from a recent debate I had with an anti-Semitic Trump supporter:

>The Bolsheviks were multinational, from Russians like Nikolai Podvoisky and Mikhail Kalinin to Ukrainians like Grigory Petrovsky and Dmitry Manuilsky, Georgians like Stalin and Ordzhonikidze, Armenians like Shaumyan and Mikoyan, Poles like Dzerzhinsky, Latvians like Rudzutak, etc., and the first cabinet of Soviet Russia (headed by Lenin) contained only one Jew among 15 People's Commissars.

>The Cheka had a disproportionate amount of Latvians relative to the population (and was headed by the aforementioned Pole, Dzerzhinsky.) No one would use that to argue the Cheka advanced some sinister "Latvian" agenda.

>There was nothing "Jewish" about any of the policies carried out by the Bolsheviks, or for that matter by Communists. Anti-Communist Jews will (falsely) claim that Marx himself was an anti-Semite, as was the Soviet government since it prohibited Zionism.

>Many immigrant communities, as well as Blacks and Chicanos in the US, have historically tended to be "disproportionately on the side of the left" in response to racism. For example, Frederick Douglass wrote in 1859 that "a German has only to be a German to be utterly opposed to slavery. In feeling, as well as in conviction and principle, they are antislavery." German immigrant opposition to slavery (which included German immigrant Marxists) was an important factor in the GOP nominating Lincoln.

>There's no unified "Jewish" approach to the left. Bernie Sanders is a social-democrat at best who among other things supported the bombing of Yugoslavia, the "liberation" of Iraq in 1998, and characterized Hugo Chávez as a "dead communist dictator." Emma Goldman hated the USSR. Marx's hostile relations with the Anarchists are well-known and Marxists obviously have often had less than stellar relations with other segments of the left (e.g. the murder of Luxemburg and Liebknecht had the blessing of the leaders of the SPD.)

>Besides asking you yet again what makes it specifically "Jewish," the claim that it goes about "manipulating the workers to be soldiers" is silly. The bourgeois revolutions (English Revolution, American Revolution, French Revolution, etc.) were started by men of property. There was not a single representative of the workers (or even soldiers, who expressed dissatisfaction via Shays' Rebellion) at the Constitutional Convention. Most of the framers of the Constitution were openly contemptuous of democracy.

>Yet even here it would be wrong to claim the Founding Fathers merely "manipulated" the workers and farmers of the colonies. But I see no reason for portraying the October Revolution (for example) as a shadowy cabal manipulating the masses yet not portraying the American Revolution (led by smugglers, land speculators, manufacturers and slaveowners) as much more so. For one thing, the Bolsheviks spent the year 1917 obtaining a majority of support from the workers in the soviets that spontaneously arose following the Tsar's downfall. The Bolsheviks called for the soviets to be the basis of a new government that (in Lenin's words) would be a million times more democratic than the most democratic bourgeois republics. By contrast, the Founding Fathers restricted suffrage to men of property.

>And in what way do Jewish CEOs operate differently from their gentile colleagues, outside of being more likely to support Zionism (e.g. donating to encourage Jews to emigrate to Israel, supporting Israel's aggressive foreign policy as an extension of US imperialism in the region.)

>Jewish capitalists fared no better under the Bolsheviks (nor any other communist party) than their gentile counterparts. Zionists such as Jabotinsky offered their support to the pogromist White armies against the Reds.


 No.7602

File: 4d1e978fb9c2c6e⋯.jpg (148.94 KB, 749x960, 749:960, Leninnnnnnnn.jpg)

Continuing from last post:

>The "over-representation" of Jews in the ranks of the Bolsheviks is irrelevant unless you can provide evidence of Jewish discrimination against non-Jews within the party. As I've written before, the Bolsheviks were multinational; there was also an "over-representation" of Georgians, Armenians and Latvians.

>I am reminded of a point a fellow communist once made: "In any body of power or movement, WNs expect all participation to be proportional to the population percentage of its constituent participatory groups. If Jews, as they are defined by WNs, are represented in a particular movement or group at a rate disproportionate to their percentage of the population, this is proof that the group or movement in question is Jewish-dominated. Keep in mind that overrepresentation by other groups, regardless of how high or how much higher than that of Jews, is completely irrelevant."

>Furthermore, to quote a bourgeois author, there were "almost no Bolsheviks who were familiar with the Yiddish language or with Jewish life. . . the Jews were concentrated in the Bund and in the Menshevik faction." (Gitelman, Jewish Nationality and Soviet Politics, 1972, p. 105.) As you might know, Bolshevik relations with the latter two groups were distinctly unfavorable. The Bund sought to become the exclusive voice of Jewish workers, which Lenin denounced as harmful to the labor movement which could only triumph if it was multinational.

>Stalin, Walter Ulbricht, Tito, Fidel Castro, Ho Chi Minh, Mao, Kim Il Sung, Kwame Nkrumah, and innumerable other revolutionaries around the world were not Jews. You completely fail to explain how Marxism is either "Jewish" or detrimental to non-Jews.


 No.7603

File: 5316bb43764fcc3⋯.jpg (26.55 KB, 320x485, 64:97, 676762837b4462090eac763e7d….jpg)

>>7602

thank you Comrade. Was this debate recorded anywhere or is it on video? I would be interested to check it out.


 No.7604

File: 4f658b38d9070a1⋯.jpg (79.06 KB, 399x580, 399:580, Lenin painting 1977.jpg)

>>7603

It wasn't a real-life or video debate.

I can send you it, just send me a private message on eregime.org (I go by Ismail on there as on here.)


 No.7607

File: d3c0e556914755d⋯.jpg (1.15 MB, 1423x2332, 1423:2332, muhjewishbolsheviks.jpg)

I just post this meme

>>7601

Can I get a citation for this? Thanks in advance.

>Zionists such as Jabotinsky offered their support to the pogromist White armies against the Reds.


 No.7608

File: 62349b232702c7c⋯.jpg (19.67 KB, 300x420, 5:7, book.jpg)

>>7607

It's briefly mentioned in a book by CPUSA member Hyman Lumer, "Jabotinsky’s own record of support to reaction goes back much further, to the days of his open collaboration with the Ukrainian White Guard pogromist Simon Petlura in the civil war following the October Revolution in Russia." (Zionism: Its Role in World Politics, 1973, p. 104.)

And on page 109: "The Russian Zionists were bitterly hostile to the Bolsheviks. They opposed the October Revolution. In May 1918 a clandestine conference of Zeire Zion took place, which adopted a program to fight Communism. In the period of the civil war, Zionists took part in the counter-revolutionary governments of Denikin, Skoropadsky and Petlura, and established Zionist military units to fight with the White Guard forces. This enmity has never disappeared."

I scanned the book a while back. That's the extent of its mention of Zionism in the Russian Civil War: https://archive.org/details/ZionismItsRoleInWorldPolitics


 No.7849

you can't. someone that adheres to the jewish conspiracy theory doesn't care about fact. for a logical person, a clear pro-jewish policy would have to be confirmed in order for something to be clarified as pro-jewish or pro-anything for that matter. for a fashie, someone having jewish origin ultimately makes him part of some perceived shadow cabal, the existence of which doesn't have to be proved in their head. they have a metaphysical perception of some "jewness" inherit in people of jewish origin, so the obvious fact that the bolsheviks never advanced the interests of jewish people at the expense of others goes over their head.


 No.7850

File: 3986e42377ebfb1⋯.jpg (46.18 KB, 320x480, 2:3, Anna Ulyanova.jpg)

>>7849

> they have a metaphysical perception of some "jewness" inherit in people of jewish origin

I've debated someone who conceded that Marx was clearly not religious and did not think of himself as a Jew, but nonetheless the anti-Semite continued to argue that Marxism was "Jewish" because Jews are inherently wicked.

Lenin went his entire life unaware that one of his grandfathers was a Jew. This was only known after his sister started researching their family after he died. And yet anti-Semites will point out his quarter Jewish heritage is proof that everything the Bolsheviks thought and did can be explained by a desire for Jews to rule the world.


 No.7930

>>7850

I honestly believe that based on Marx's biography that if any religion had a heavy impact on his worldview it was Christianity. He was raised as a believing Lutheran--his father wasn't a false convert. Marx seems to have had quite a disdain for Judaism as a religion perhaps even more so than Christianity. Most of his favorite authors (Spinoza excepted) were Christians and Ancient Pagans. His daughter said that he never cared for his Jewish heritage

Gearoid O Colmain truly said that if Marxism was the result of any kind of conspiracy that it would be a Christian rather then Jewish conspiracy


 No.8770

File: 63e8ff51864d1dd⋯.jpg (277.11 KB, 1057x1382, 1057:1382, 20180718_012432.jpg)

What do you make of this? Clearly a jewish dominated oligarchy. No one is arguing that the red army was mostly russians(duh)


 No.8771

File: 6dee7e6d9370eb3⋯.jpg (221.43 KB, 602x723, 602:723, 1524818486856.jpg)

>>7600

you can post this ebin picture :^)


 No.8772

>>8770

The main problem with that list is that there were constant changes in the membership of the Central Committee, Council of People's Commissars (whose first cabinet only had a single Jew, Trotsky) and Central Executive Committee from 1917-1924, not to mention subsequent years and decades.

"Jewish-dominated oligarchy" assumes that every Jew in that list was a Bolshevik (e.g. Isaac Steinberg, mentioned on that image as the People's Commissar of Justice, was a Left SR whose time in government was less than a year before his party sought to overthrow Bolshevism; he later fled the country) and that the leadership consciously pursued "Jewish" policies.

It would make sense to refer to the Israeli government and economy as "Jewish-dominated." Netanyahu and friends regard themselves as Jews and enact laws and pursue policies explicitly detrimental to non-Jews. The government's Zionist ideology and talk of a "Jewish state" are instruments of oppression against the Palestinian people and to foster chauvinist sentiments among Jewish workers.

That wasn't the case with the Bolsheviks.

To quote journalist Anna Louise Strong (in The First Time in History: Two Years of Russia's New Life, 1924, pp. 172-173):

>So little is the question [if someone is a Jew or not] raised that I found it hard to discover, in my search for Jews in high posts of government, which persons were of this race and which were not. I asked Trotsky about Jews in the higher branches of state. "There are two of us in the Council of People's Commissars," he said with a smile. "Dovgalevsky, the commissar of Posts and Telegraphs, and myself."—Later, in discussing finance, he corrected himself: "I forgot; there is also Sokolnikoff, Minister of Finance. You see, I never counted them up as Jews before."

>An acquaintance of Dovgalevsky told me later that he was not a Jew, and when I replied that Trotsky said he was, he answered: "Possibly then . . . I didn't know it." There was this difficulty throughout in tracing Jews in government. In the Communist ranks, they are not thought of separately.

>I went through one commissariat after another with Trotsky and checked up the leading men. Agriculture,—he remembered four members of the presidium,—all Russians. Health,—there was Semashko, a Russian, assisted by Soloviof, a Russian. Education,—four Russians and one Jew formed the presidium. The department of National Industries had a collegium of nine; one of them was a Jew.

>In Finance they become suddenly prominent. Sokolnikoff, Commissar of Finance, and several bank presidents and members of banking staff. Yet here also many higher posts were held by Russians working together with Jews. Food, Justice, Social Welfare,—these departments are headed by non-Jews. The State Planning Board is run by Krjijanovsky, a Pole, and the State Railways by Djerjinsky, also a Pole. Thus are all races mixed in the government of Russia.

The "not thought of separately" bit isn't surprising since, to quote one historian (Solomon M. Schwarz, The Jews in the Soviet Union, 1951, p. 93):

>To be sure, a large number of Bolshevik leaders and active party members were of Jewish parentage; but they had been completely assimilated, had no ties with the Jewish masses, neither read nor write Yiddish, and in many cases understood scarcely a word of it. . .

>A Commissariat for Jewish National Affairs was established in January 1918, as a special section of the People's Commissariat for National Affairs under Stalin. No Bolsheviks, however, were available to staff the Jewish Commissariat. The Jewish Commissar, Semen M. Dimanshtein, was indeed an old Bolshevik; but he had never been active in the Jewish field, and his sole qualification was his experience in the early Bolshevik campaigns against the "Jewish separatism" of the Bund.

That meant the Bolsheviks had to recruit individuals from other parties to staff the Jewish Commissariat. Even the Mensheviks were more "Jewish" (in terms of membership and ties to Jewish life) than the Bolsheviks.

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 No.8782

>>8770

This list is entirely made up, most of those people didn't even exist at all, others are mixed up from different time periods, half of those council posts didn't exist as well. Do you really believe everything nazis post on the internet?


 No.8783

>>8782

>most of those people didn't even exist at all

I don't know if every single person listed was real, but a lot of recognizable names use archaic French spellings that fell out of use in English by 1925 (like "Tchitcherine" for Chicherin and "Lounatcharsky" for Lunacharsky.)

That suggests the list was taken from anti-Semitic propaganda back then.

Some purported roles do seem to be wrongly attributed or fabricated, e.g. the supposed commissar for "religions," Spitzberg, is cited in a 1919 US government propaganda as "commissar of propaganda for Bolshevism." I've never heard of either commissariat existing, nor is there much evidence I can find in English of a Spitzberg existing (at least not under that spelling.)

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 No.8785

>>8783

I found where that list comes from. It's from the book "The Last Days of the Romanovs" (1920) by Robert Wilton, just what I expected. Wilton seems to be a favorite among neonazis.


 No.8789

>>8785

>"The Last Days of the Romanovs" (1920)

Coincidentally, I asked someone I know to scan a Soviet eyewitness account of the Tsar's last days. He did so a few hours ago: https://archive.org/details/LastDaysTsar


 No.8817

File: 493750691cd9c70⋯.jpg (353.49 KB, 990x1278, 55:71, holohoax_11.jpg)

>>8785

That's rich. The Russian correspondent of the jew-owned New York Times is a raging anti-semite/Nazi because it is an inconvenient truth. In fact, I'd challenge you to hone in on some specific contentions instead of blanket statements. Name one person you think is a Nazi strawman and we can see if your claim has substance.

>>8772

This isn't about racial jewry, and as I mentioned in another topic, the NatSoc/revisionist movement is infiltrated with controlled opposition that would make you believe this is about race. The fact is, our movement was a Christian movement then, and behind, the glass darkly, remains so today. The harsh reality of the Hammer and Sickle is that it represents not only economic policies, but the secular, church-burning side of the 20th century political movements.

Marx, Bronstein(Trotsky), and "the wolf of the Kremlin" Kaganovich were all born to Orthodox Jewish households. These are not insignificant names of the party.


 No.8818

>>8817

>Marx, Bronstein(Trotsky), and "the wolf of the Kremlin" Kaganovich were all born to Orthodox Jewish households.

Do /pol/acks read anything?


 No.8824

>>8817

>This isn't about racial jewry . . The fact is, our movement was a Christian movement then, and behind, the glass darkly, remains so today. The harsh reality of the Hammer and Sickle is that it represents not only economic policies, but the secular, church-burning side of the 20th century political movements.

But if it isn't about "racial jewry," but merely about anti-Christian sentiment, why the Jew-baiting of the October Revolution and the USSR? Were China during the Cultural Revolution and Albania under Enver Hoxha (the latter which all but prohibited even private religious worship) secretly controlled by Jews?

>Marx, Bronstein(Trotsky), and "the wolf of the Kremlin" Kaganovich were all born to Orthodox Jewish households. These are not insignificant names of the party.

Marx's father was a Christian convert. There is nothing "Jewish" about anything Marx wrote or did. He's even been called an anti-Semite.

Also the only time I've heard the phrase "wolf of the Kremlin" and "Kaganovich" in the same sentence is a bullshit biography written about him that the Kaganovich family pointed out was a fabrication, and which included such blatant falsehoods as a supposed sister of Kaganovich who married Stalin.

Kaganovich was indeed an important official, helping to build the Moscow Metro among other things, but he wasn't some secret ruler of the USSR. He loyally served Stalin, even after his brother was executed during the Great Purges, and after 1953 was mainly known for continuing to defend Stalin till the day he died in 1991.

Not to mention that the Bolsheviks also engaged in struggles against reactionary elements of the Jewish and Muslim clergy. If they focused on the Orthodox Church (which they did), it was because it was one of the chief instruments of the Tsarist state, obviously had the greatest influence among Russians who made up the main parts of the USSR, and was by far the most politically and economically powerful of the organized faiths of the country.

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 No.8825

>>8817

>Nat"Soc"

*Believe in weird pseudo pagan LARP shit*

>Is a Christian movement

*Builds castle complexes with black suns pentragrans etc to do rituals in*

>That believes in Christian values

*Main disagreement between Valkyrie plotters and the goverment is a bunch of them were LARPing pagan assholes instead of enlightenment Era Christian Ethno-Nationalists like they were*


 No.8829

>>8817

Pretty funny those first two rows of articles are talking about WW1 and (Funnily enough) the apparent risk of genocide towards Jews cuz of the soviets / RCW

While only the later ones seem to talk about death estimates in WW2 and the commonly thought of Holocaust

Several of the articles are cut at "odd" places which upon closer inspection prevent the full context of what is being written being given

And finally some of them don't talk about death estimates at all and simply say the word Holocaust

Six million was just a rough estimate that was taken near the end of the war and is still used today by the media

The Actual exact number of the victims has been revised dozens of times over the years (Sometimes up sometimes down)

You can even view pictures of the different plaques on concentration camp mueseums showing death tolls at specific camps being changed over time as the numbers are revised and new evidence emerges


 No.8832

File: 5425bea41637e15⋯.jpg (2 MB, 1500x4010, 150:401, 1464905951584.jpg)


 No.8834

File: 70ec5cdbdbe3add⋯.jpg (196.25 KB, 1024x878, 512:439, 1513212845238.jpg)

File: b13e8abbea43889⋯.jpg (108.48 KB, 750x600, 5:4, adolf_hitler_on_atheists_b….jpg)

File: 99f3bfb1be80cef⋯.jpg (40.99 KB, 500x254, 250:127, tumblr_inline_ncsg1tCerI1q….jpg)

File: 46b34a302d0479e⋯.jpg (20.72 KB, 614x455, 614:455, we-tolerate-no-one-in-our-….jpg)

File: 9ebfdbac2171118⋯.png (276.62 KB, 720x1280, 9:16, 20171216_080621.png)

>>8825

>>8826

"Not Christian"

Wow am i interacting with real-life Hasbara?


 No.8835

File: b1ed6dd5b2d5113⋯.jpg (761.7 KB, 1271x1279, 1271:1279, sixmillion-34appearances.jpg)

File: 61281e546886400⋯.png (510.4 KB, 937x960, 937:960, 1513003311056.png)

File: d3d4d5be70c3930⋯.png (407.33 KB, 1143x1560, 381:520, 1513002868100.png)

File: 091ba18f811c15d⋯.jpg (31.85 KB, 720x612, 20:17, FB_IMG_1513402044724.jpg)

File: e05fc7bb17cee3b⋯.png (558.99 KB, 547x488, 547:488, 1513125126100.png)

>>8829

>>8832

Damage control is off the chain


 No.8837

File: e332a995c10eabe⋯.jpg (293.49 KB, 750x400, 15:8, 1513003899856.jpg)

File: fe204db9865ca80⋯.jpg (30.99 KB, 770x441, 110:63, 1513124816965.jpg)

File: c664cff18c3ffb7⋯.jpg (230.16 KB, 588x1024, 147:256, 1513122006356m.jpg)

File: 7f62cdea15b14f1⋯.png (102.35 KB, 534x307, 534:307, karl-marx.png)

File: 2c70fc28d8bd9e3⋯.jpg (114.61 KB, 569x486, 569:486, 1513122018792.jpg)

>>8829

>>8832

Sorry Ismail, I'd rather keep picking your brain(and I still have to respond to your other post where we are discussing KPD), but these posts need addressed.

To be an advocate of Communism from an objective standpoint as a viable economic system is one thing. To simultaneously vehemently deny all of the holes in the Holocaust fills in the rest of it: I'm speaking to clinical cases of Cognitive Dissonance.


 No.8838

File: 6580dddedbf43ba⋯.png (3.73 MB, 1658x5450, 829:2725, 20180715_223049.png)

I guess this will really tell it all: if anyone here defends this, it pretty much unmasks any JIDF/Hasbara, and we can have a real conversation:


 No.8839

>>8837

I'll confine myself largely to what you address to me, but I want to point out that "Karl Marx used the term 'Holocaust' in 1856" bit, supposedly in an April 16, 1856 issue of the People's Paper, is a fabrication.

Volume 12 of Marx and Engels' Collected Works has the article in question (pages 44-49) and it isn't even about classes and class struggle, it's a less-than-thrilling discussion about Britain's national debt. Nothing like the purported quote is in the article.

And the article was written in 1853, not 1856.

Marx did give a short speech on April 14, 1856 in honor of the People's Paper, which was published in said paper on April 19 (see Vol. 14 of M&E Collected Works, pp. 655-656) but again, nothing like that purported quote is in the speech.

I remember looking this up years back when Glenn Beck created a series called "Revolutionary Holocaust: Live Free or Die," which included the fake quote.

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 No.8840

>>8839

Thanks for that. I will contact that website owner to see what they say.


 No.8841

>>8837

>>8835

>>8834

Your political and ideological worldview is so bankrupt that you look at unsourced jpgs to gather your political position. Nothing more needs to be said.


 No.8842

>>8837

>>8835

I usually only post in theory related threads, but I feel like the fellow could use some help.

If your entire knowledge of the holocaust or Jews or whatever comes from infographs and youtube videos, or at the unlikely case, from books by holocaust deniers, you should probably reconsider your position. I'm only saying this from experience that /pol/ is ignorant on any subject it feels the need to talk about, in particular Communism. If "truth does not fear investigation" then read about the subject from an actual historian instead of random hacks.

Also lol the ifunny watermark, trying to "redpill" the kids?


 No.8843

>>8841

>>8842

Looks like you can't support your position or defend the information presented. Heard of Logical Fallacies? Kvetch somewhere else, your posts were solicited to begin with.


 No.8844

>>8843

Weren't*

;)


 No.8845

>>7600

It's as simple as pointing out the difference between theory and application.


 No.8850

>>8834

You can post as many Hitler Quotes as you want but it will not change the fact that the NSDAP was full of Volkish Paganistic LARPers like Himmler etc

It Also Nordic-ism which has been and is linked to Volkish Pagan / Viking shit


 No.8851

>>8838

No one hear defends Reactionary extreme conservative Judaism


 No.8853

File: 3924f1c0bb1b3d7⋯.jpg (86.58 KB, 736x930, 368:465, 0459b47e6cd1498b45abe3a6cd….jpg)

>>8850

>>8851

Reactionary doesnt exist. And very well.


 No.8854

File: 2c767a39de54404⋯.jpg (3.56 MB, 2056x2736, 257:342, 099588b567ebc705708b79a12f….jpg)

>>8835

Look Maw, I can jpeg too!


 No.8855

File: 7588d0bb6810205⋯.jpg (44.88 KB, 500x613, 500:613, 1531994255475.jpg)

Didnt realize infographics intimidated you so bad. Only a kike would continue without having said: "Hmm, that's interesting."

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/03-21-46.asp

>SIR DAVID MAXWELL-FYFE: Will you please answer my question. Do you still say neither Hitler nor you knew of the policy to exterminate the Jews?

>Goering: As far as Hitler is concerned, I have said I do not think so. As far as I am concerned, I have said that I did not know, even approximately, to what extent these things were taking place.

>SIR DAVID MAXWELL-FYFE: You did not know to what degree, but you knew there was a policy that aimed at the extermination of the Jews?

>Goering: No, a policy of emigration, not liquidation of the Jews.


 No.8856

File: 577c8482397f95b⋯.jpg (146.69 KB, 953x957, 953:957, 1527081248286.jpg)

>>8854

Btw, I didnt post any of these other strawmen. This is your best rebuttal to this one? How bad does this 2nd image hurt you?


 No.8857

File: 32cf3a80607992f⋯.jpg (426.56 KB, 450x923, 450:923, 20180720_220730.jpg)

>>8854

Oops


 No.8858

>>8854

https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/accessibility/transcripts/Caroline-Sturdy-Colls-Treblinka.aspx

I'll save you some time.

Andy: And what have you discovered?

A: (((A big nothingburger.)))


 No.8859

What is the TL;DR equivalent of this thread so far?

I'd read it all myself but I'm sure it'd kill more than a few brain cells.


 No.8860

>>8859

Summary:

Bolshevism isn't a Jewish conspiracy, there is no evidence that the Bolsheviks enacted policies to benefit Jews at the expense of non-Jews or that Jews "dominated" the Bolshevik party in the sense of discriminating against and keeping power away from non-Jews.

A guy who thinks the Holocaust didn't happen and Hitler is good is arguing with someone who disagrees.


 No.8861

>>8843

My position? That you should gather your information from places other than jpegs?

Look, I genuinely don't care about Jews so what I wrote to you, the second reply, has nothing to do in particular with what you are talking about. And really, be serious for a moment instead of accusing others of being shills, if "truth doesn't fear investigation" why don't you investigate it and look into sources that you contradict your position?


 No.8862

>>8861

That's rich.


 No.8863

File: 5f6f6b8b8e96154⋯.gif (198.9 KB, 336x468, 28:39, 1528486697448.gif)

>>8861

You know, take your own advice. All politics aside, nothing is more important than God and it is my duty to preach that. Not get into flame wars.

Please watch this 8 minute video:

12-Year-Old Girl Disproves Evolution

https://youtu.be/EB0mN0ZaN5U


 No.8864

>>8843

Ironic, I'm not the one posting fake quotes and lists of people that never existed to try to prove my points. You got called out for posting bullshit and proceeded to shitfling and spam Stormfront jpgs.. Good luck with your "redpills"


 No.8875

Even if the holocaust happened 100% real, I wouldn't really see a problem with it, personally, and neither should any true communist. The jews are a race of lazy parasites and rootless cosmopolitans, they have no value and are not human beings. They are vampires leeching off the blood and sweat of the working man.

The only mistake Stalin made was to kick the kikes out of Russia (which led to them forming the Neoconservative political movement in the USA and pushing for Cold War with Russia out of butthurt at Stalin for undoing Bronshtein's retarded social progressive policies and enacting sane, socially conservative communism instead) instead of exterminating them entirely. Had Stalin had one grand pogrom and killed every last jew in the USSR and its satellites, it's entirely likely that in the long run the USSR and USA would have come to an understanding and coexisted peacefully. It was the presence of butthurt trots in the USA that drove their conflict.

So how could I fault the Germans for doing exactly what the Russians should have done?


 No.8876

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>>8875

Literally 200%

MOTHERFUCKING

NAZBOL GANG

THE POST

>>>/autpol/


 No.8877

>>8875

Fuck where to even start

I should just be leaving this to Ismail but here it goes...

>Even if the holocaust happened 100% real, I wouldn't really see a problem with it, personally, and neither should any true communist. The jews are a race of lazy parasites and rootless cosmopolitans, they have no value and are not human beings. They are vampires leeching off the blood and sweat of the working man.

Objectivly false

are you claiming that Jewish Industrial workers in cities and Jewish Farmers (See Eastern European) just didnt fucking exist?

>The only mistake Stalin made was to kick the kikes out of Russia (which led to them forming the Neoconservative political movement in the USA and pushing for Cold War with Russia out of butthurt at Stalin for undoing Bronshtein's retarded social progressive policies and enacting sane, socially conservative communism instead) instead of exterminating them entirely. Had Stalin had one grand pogrom and killed every last jew in the USSR and its satellites, it's entirely likely that in the long run the USSR and USA would have come to an understanding and coexisted peacefully. It was the presence of butthurt trots in the USA that drove their conflict.

Stalin was not anti-Jewish or Racialist as some dumb /pol/ / NazBol memes make him out to be

Racialism and racial incitements and Calls to Racial Violence were banned in the USSR including towards jews

Also see the Far eastern Jewish autonomous republic

The reason the Jewish community in USA was so Anti-USSR was because the American Jewish community was filled with Zionists who viewed the Palestine / Arab-Nationalist supporting USSR as a threat to Israel

>So how could I fault the Germans for doing exactly what the Russians should have done?

Because killing of Proles indiscriminately based on Race isnt Socialism?


 No.8880

>>8877

>I should just be leaving this to Ismail but here it goes...

I'd point out that Stalin didn't "kick the kikes out of Russia," unless he means Leon Trotsky, and even then Stalin immediately regretted the decision not because Trotsky supposedly created Neo-Conservatism (he didn't), but because it made it easier for Trotsky to promote Trotskyist splits in communist parties abroad and to more easily publicize his denunciations of the Soviet leadership.

In addition, I'd point out that the Jewish Autonomous Oblast you mention was an effort to get *more* Jews into the USSR. The idea was that the JAO would be an alternative to Zionism for the world's Jews, and that it would grow to become an autonomous republic within the Russian SFSR like Tatarstan, Bashkiria, etc.

Finally, the idea of the other poster that if it weren't for "the Jews" the USSR and US would get along just fine is pretty silly. For instance, Wilson, Harding, Coolidge and Hoover were all hostile to so much as the establishment of diplomatic relations with the USSR, and I rather doubt any Jews influenced them in this decision. In addition, the Soviets had a bigger role in Israel's existence than the US (because Stalin saw it as a way to weaken British colonialism and thought Israel would lean towards the USSR and follow through the UN plan for a separate Palestinian state.)

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 No.8906

>>8863

>I can't win an argument and now I'm not being taken seriously, so watch me attempt to derail this thread with a clickbait video featuring a washout that no one cares about anymore spouting talking points debunked a billion times about a subject that has nothing at all to do with this board's topic much less this thread...

>... And fail miserably at it.

If you're going to be an idiot, at least try to stay on topic.


 No.8922

File: 9125882835816a2⋯.png (97.06 KB, 491x280, 491:280, 1FED087E-A748-4F71-B4C9-AB….png)

File: 220d919cd8499ef⋯.png (110 KB, 491x280, 491:280, 7D6C9313-9885-4C4D-8E12-79….png)

I truly pit those who think Jewish Bolshevism is some sort of conspiracy theory based on zero facts. The evidence is everywhere and modern Marxists willingly ignore the works of Marx in these discussions that advocate for the outright extermination of gentiles. Quotes related. This shit is evil and Jewish to the core


 No.8923

>>8922

>"The evidence is everywhere"

>Proceeds to post fake quotes

You can't make this shit up. You people just don't care about the facts, do you?


 No.8924

>>8923

Typical Marxist tricks. You claim they’re fake but you cannot prove it. This type of info is kept under wraps so bluepilled lemmings don’t learn the truth


 No.8925

>>8924

There is no such work as "Zur Endlösung der Nichtjuden" in the writings of Marx. I can't even find *any* article or book with that title, written by anyone.

There's also no basis in 1844 for Marx to have said or written that reactionaries were accusing him of communism or whatever. His Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts (basically the earliest "Marx as a Marxist" work) were written that year and not published until 1932. The Communist Manifesto wasn't published until 1848. If I recall right most of Marx's public writings during this period revolved around "monarchies suck" and "we support a democratic republic," with Marx arguing that the bourgeoisie is historically progressive against feudalism but that the working-class should also look after its own interests and not simply tail the bourgeoisie.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you're just joking and made your own fake Marx quote.

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 No.8926

>>8924

>Typical Marxist tricks. You claim they’re fake but you cannot prove it.

That's not how burden of proof works, brainlet.


 No.8927

>>8924

"I am a gigantic faggot, and 80 years from now edgy autistic kids living in their mom's basement will actually take me seriously and make themselves look like idiots in front of everyone." - Adolph Hitler, Das Buch von massivem Schwachsinn (1938)

...What's that? Fake quote? Typical /pol/lack tricks. They claim it's fake, but they cannot prove it. This type of info is kept under wraps so based redpilled /pol/ super retards smart people don't learn the truth.


 No.8928

>>8924

>>8925

BAZED ISMAIL decimates a DUMB NAZI WITH THEIR OWN LOGIC EPIC STYLE!!!

No but seriously a love how instead of a whole thread being dedicated to screaming at some reactionary shitposter on /Marx/ it's simply immediately debunked


 No.8929

>>8925

>There is no such work as "Zur Endlösung der Nichtjuden" in the writings of Marx.

Just as there are no documents that prove the reality of the Holohoax. Marx was a Jew and his writings make it very clear to anyone not brainwashed by Marxist garbage where his allegiance truly lies. Even if my quotes happened to be false (they’re not), they remain profoundly true in substance.

<inb4 muh Wannsee Conference

Debunkable

>>8926

The biggest proof is that Marx was a kike and was clearly concerned with destroying the ability of the worker to reap the fruits of his labor and the owner to get any profit. Pure kike behavior, plain and simple. Marx wanted to establish a literal dictatorship of Chosen Tribe


 No.8930

>>8929

>Marx was a Jew and his writings make it very clear to anyone not brainwashed by Marxist garbage where his allegiance truly lies.

If that's the case, cite an actual writing of his.

>Marx wanted to establish a literal dictatorship of Chosen Tribe

Was the Paris Commune (which he considered a good example of the dictatorship of the proletariat) a "literal dictatorship of Chosen Tribe"?


 No.8931

>>8922

>>8929

Ah, you got me good. I found you

>>>/leftpol/75577


 No.8932

>>8931

Kek, it was fun while it lasted. Got a good laugh


 No.8939

File: ccd196f2966ca4c⋯.jpg (3.65 MB, 678x5304, 113:884, Judaism_Communism (1).jpg)

Idk about those last Karl Marx quotes, but it's obvious this board is full of jews. You should all take a knee and punch yourself in the face.


 No.8940

>>8939

I'm not a Jew, if it makes you sleep better at night.

Also the very first quote in that image is fake. To quote The Hoaxers by Morris Kominsky (a book I intend to scan one of these days), p. 106:

>After they heard this phoney [quote] in an interview with the American Nazi, George Lincoln Rockwell, the editors of Playboy Magazine checked it out and reported in their issue of April 1966, that research into Rabbi Wise's speeches and writings disclosed no evidence of that statement. Said Playboy, "Confronted with this evidence, Rockwell later retracted the allegation."

The second quote sounds real enough, but is clearly taken out of context considering the 1905 Revolution in Russia was for a bourgeois-democratic republic, not socialism. When the February Revolution took place in 1917, Kerensky made himself a hero to many Jews living abroad when he abolished discriminatory legislation against Jewish persons. That is the "Jewish Revolution" being spoken of, i.e. a revolution in the life of Jews hitherto oppressed by Tsarism.

So the quote isn't advocating socialist revolution, but instead getting rid of the Tsar and creating a Western-style government led by Russia's capitalist class. That was the common theme in both 1905 and February 1917.

"The Maccabean" was a paper associated with the Federation of American Zionists. There were Zionist groups claiming socialism, but the FAZ wasn't one of them.

The subsequent quotes listed are either fabrications, taken out of context, or just irrelevant (e.g. how does "The Bolshevik Revolution has emancipated the Jews as individuals" translate into some diabolical Jewish conspiracy to dominate Russia and/or the world?)

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 No.8941

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>>8940

Are you kidding? They're ALL fabrications or antisemetic lies? And you're not a jew? Why is it that throughout this whole thread, the tactic among the jewish side is to claim everything is fake while believing Soviet propaganda without question? Such a b.s. tactic. I'm sure you'll spin a good story about Katyn Massacre too.


 No.8942

>>8941

>They're ALL fabrications or antisemetic lies?

Looking through the list, as I said, "The subsequent quotes listed are either fabrications, taken out of context, or just irrelevant."

I already explained that the first was a fabrication and the second (if real, which it looks like it could easily be) taken out of context. I don't feel like writing a 50-page rebuttal going through each and every purported quote, so just give me two or three you think are especially damning and I'll let you know.

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 No.8943

File: d780852cd3c6826⋯.png (1.84 MB, 2000x3236, 500:809, 8aa41aec35490a7b48ca4fcdde….png)

>>8939

>>8941

The jews are controlled by the NAZBOL GANG to create a never ending supply of ideologically pure soldiers for the nazbol army.

THE KATYN MASSACRE WAS AN ANTI-JEWISH OPERATION CONDUCTED BY NAZBOL AGENTS

THIS IS TRUE BECAUSE THE NAZBOL GANG SAYS SO

BTFO


 No.9021

>Marx was a jew! Look at muh infogwaf! - /pol/yps

>Marx was an anti-semite, look at muh infogwaf! lolbtfopwned how will duh left eva recuvr?! - Also /pol/yps

Well, which is it? Make up your minds, guys.


 No.9022

>Why is it that throughout this whole thread, the tactic among the jewish side is to claim everything is fake while believing Soviet propaganda without question?

Irony escapes the /pol/fag, episode 638


 No.10004

File: 9f5a4311ec169b9⋯.png (160.12 KB, 466x359, 466:359, 1535632428690.png)

>>7600

Right.


 No.10006

>>10004

Harry Waton was involved in the Marxist movement in the 1910s and early 20s but broke ranks with it. He then "organized the Spinoza Institute of America, which during the thirties and forties met regularly in the Labor Temple on New York's Fourteenth Street, where Waton conducted classes and regularly debated with members of various left-wing splinter groups." (Egbert and Persons, Socialism and American Life Vol. 1, 1952, p. 324.)

The Institute was a metaphysical sect whose conception of "communism" was whatever Waton wanted it to be. The Daily Worker (aka official Communist newspaper in the United States) reported the following in its March 13, 1926 issue:

>Most amusing was the attempt in New York the other day of the rag-tag and bob-tail elements formerly vitiating the revolutionary movement with their presence to organize an anti-Communist two-and-a-half international group. Ludwig Lore, social-democratic opportunist, joined hands with the bourgeois lawyer, Louis B. Boudin, and that clownish perverter of Marxism, Harry Waton, in a futile effort to create a political party representing their own disordered views. The majority of those who attended had a good laugh at the antics of the self-appointed triumvirate and, after endorsing the Workers (Communist) Party as the vanguard of American labor, left the hall.

I certainly can't imagine any Communist writing the following absurdities in 1939 (the same year as the quote in that image):

>We shall see that nazism is nothing else than an imitation of Judaism; nazism adopted the principles and ideas of Judaism. Likewise, the nazis are trying hard to imitate the Jews. The nazis are then confronted with this alternative: if they succeed to acquire the merits and virtues of the Jews, the nazis will become Jews; on the other hand, if the nazis fail to acquire the merits and the virtues of the Jews, they will disappear from the stage of history.

>Study Hitler's anti-Marxist Bible: Mein Kampf, read it carefully, and what will you find? You will find that Hitler adopted the principles, the ideas, the policy and the method of Marxism. . . Where did Hitler and his followers get the idea of international capital, exploitation, on the one hand, and socialism and national planning, on the other? Did they not get all this from Marxism?

In 1940 Waton wrote a tract titled "Marxism Reconsidered: Should We Go Beyond Marx?" His answer was yes, criticizing Marx for his "one-sided view of history" and "illusions" about human nature. Waton continued preaching to his minuscule band of irrelevant followers into the 1950s, dying in well-deserved obscurity.

It's farcical to present the views of this crackpot as indicative of anything other than himself.

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 No.10016

>>10006

>nazis take quotes out of context

Well colour me surprised. Mind you, at least this one is a real quote and not completely made up


 No.10017

>>10016

From a communist, pro-Marxist liberal book nevertheless too. It is quite clear that (((Ismail)))’s tribal bias is without doubt. Quite sad, he thinks nothing matters but the class and the writings of genocidal twentieth century maniacs. Marxists forget the soul of man, the race, the blood, the soil. A man with these is no man at all. He is no more than a Jewish golem.


 No.10018

>>10017

>From a communist, pro-Marxist liberal book nevertheless too.

I don't see how "Socialism and American Life" is pro-Marxist. Its main thesis is that America itself was a fitting answer to socialism by supposedly showing that class struggle, etc. were unnecessary.

In any case, even if I quoted from none other than Joseph Stalin, the point still stands that Waton by 1939 was the equivalent of some guy on YouTube with 50 subscribers and hundreds of somewhat incoherent, badly-edited, hour-long videos of himself. He didn't represent anyone or anything except his own tiny group. It makes no sense to quote him as an authority on anything.


 No.10079

File: 4bd7498ce8bba7f⋯.jpg (304.06 KB, 1759x1190, 1759:1190, 1532375796085.jpg)

It's disingenuous to pretend like my side has no historical existence. Communism is Judaism.


 No.10080

File: aa43d57758c2c79⋯.jpg (71.85 KB, 674x672, 337:336, FB_IMG_1539862262222.jpg)

Wrong photo


 No.10082

>>10017

>pro-Marxist

>liberal

Oh dear

>>10080

Is Henry Ford calling himself a Jew there then?


 No.10083

>>10079

Of course your side exists, it's just wrong and plays into the hands of reaction.

That's how you end up approvingly quoting a capitalist who spied on workers and supported Hitler.

>>10080

>"Communism all over the world and not only in Russia is Jewish."

This thread has already showed how neither Communism in general nor the Communist movement in the Russian Empire are "Jewish."

What evidence do you have that either are "Jewish"? Henry Ford asserting it isn't evidence.


 No.10093

>>10083

>it's just wrong and plays into the hands of reaction.

Compelling refutation. Reaction is rooting out foreign influence from an alien race, a race which has over the centuries time and time again came into friction with surrounding non-Jewish populations. Is it the gentiles at fault, those who want to live their own ways of life in the way they deem fit or the Jew from without who settles among them, forms a distinct society and attempts to judaize everything. We cannot forget that our own decadence is what allows the Jews to gain control over our governments, press and culture. They are like mosquitos, drawn to swamps and only a revolution of ourselves can extirpate this parasite, a revolution of reaction.

>That's how you end up approvingly quoting a capitalist who spied on workers and supported Hitler.

Capitalists are not bad by themselves. There is the capitalist who stands for the nation and there is the rootless capitalist who plunders the people in pursuit of profit. Hitler was the greatest man this century, no in the last two millenium.

>This thread has already showed how neither Communism in general nor the Communist movement in the Russian Empire are "Jewish."

Communism is the child of Jewish thought and has historically been disseminated by Jews. To say Jew and Marxist is to say two synonyms. Marxism is anti-national, as is the Jew rootless. Marxism transgresses against nature and reason, setting up those who fall for its false song to become thralls of Jews. It is appealing to many because modernity is judaism


 No.10095

>>10093

>Is it the gentiles at fault, those who want to live their own ways of life in the way they deem fit

What is "own ways of life" in this context? Jews are not a separate nation, nor representatives of some different "way of life." A Jewish worker and a Jewish capitalist have fundamentally the same interests as their gentile counterparts.

>Jew from without who settles among them, forms a distinct society and attempts to judaize everything.

How can Jews attempt to "judaize everything" while operating apart from society in their own closed spaces? Clearly they have to engage in common economic, political and to an extent cultural activities.

>Capitalists are not bad by themselves. There is the capitalist who stands for the nation

The only "good" capitalists are those who serve the proletarian state to help build up its economy at a time when socialization of the means of production cannot yet be completed.

Your "national" capitalists are no different from "international" or "greedy" capitalists when it comes to sustaining imperialism abroad and reactionary policies at home.

>Communism is the child of Jewish thought

How?

>and has historically been disseminated by Jews.

And gentiles, like Marx's closest collaborator Engels. Many ideologues and economists of capitalism were/are Jews as well, but it would be just as stupid to call capitalism "Jewish."

>It is appealing to many because modernity is judaism

How so?

Judaism by the 1780s "was a world sunk in the most abject superstition, fanaticism and ignorance, a world in which the preface to the first work on geography in Hebrew (published in 1803 in Russia) could complain that very many great rabbis were denying the existence of the American continent and saying that it is ‘impossible’. . . .

The first book on Jewish history proper (dealing with ancient times) was promptly banned and suppressed by the highest rabbinical authorities, and did not reappear before the 19th century. The rabbinical authorities of east Europe furthermore decreed that all non-talmudic studies are to be forbidden, even when nothing specific could be found in them which merits anathema, because they encroach on the time that should be employed either in studying the Talmud or in making money – which should be used to subsidise talmudic scholars. Only one loophole was left, namely the time that even a pious Jew must perforce spend in the privy. In that unclean place sacred studies are forbidden, and it was therefore permitted to read history there, provided it was written in Hebrew and was completely secular, which in effect meant that it must be exclusively devoted to non-Jewish subjects." (Israel Shahak, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years," 2008, pp. 23-24.)

Stuff like this is why Marx commented that Judaism "makes even the lavatory an object of divine law."

Judaism was and is just as capable of being cartoonishly backward as other religions. I see no inherent "modernism" in it.

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 No.10148

>>10093

>Capitalists are not bad by themselves. There is the capitalist who stands for the nation and there is the rootless capitalist who plunders the people in pursuit of profit.

Thats literally what a capitalist function is by definition

In Capitalism Exploitation must ALWAYS occur for profit of any meaningful amount to be generated

>Marxism is anti-national, as is the Jew rootless

Marxism is Internationalist which clashes with the 20th century Jewish Idea of Creating Self-Segregating Ghettos / Creating Ethnostate's to protect their Master race or whatever


 No.10159

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 No.10160

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 No.10161

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>>10017

>pro-Marxist liberal

>pro-Marxist anti-Marxist


 No.10162

>>10159

>>10160

joke: reading actual books on Marxist theory and history

broke: learning about Marxism through YouTube videos and discussions with Marxists

woke: basing your entire mental image of Marxism on a Jordan Peterson lecture, PragerU video or other material for trust fund kids

bespoke: not even trying to inform yourself on Marxism, but posting /pol/ memes and infographs full of misinformation and antisemitic cherrypicking to prove Marxism is "jewish"


 No.10163

>>10159

Marx's ancestry has no bearing on his politics (his father, as noted, was a convert to Christianity and one struggles in vain to find anything specifically "Jewish" about Marx's writings or politics.) A bunch of German revolutionaries being Jews is no evidence that the revolutionary movement advanced some specifically "Jewish" agenda to the detriment of non-Jews.

And FYI, 5% of the Hungarian population is a big number. It's like saying "only" about 4% of the US population are Jews, i.e. enough to replace the entire population of Utah and one or two smaller states.

Rewi Alley did not organize "communes" in China. He belonged to a group called the Chinese Industrial Cooperatives, which was supported by the Chiang Kai-shek government (e.g. its initial backers included Chiang's wife and Finance Minister Kong Xiangxi) due to its efforts to promote the development of Chinese industry during a time when the Japanese invaders had wrecked the economy.

Sidney Rittenberg worked as a translator, so naturally he would be in a position to "observe" the Chinese leaders whom he assisted. Observation doesn't imply control, especially considering that (as one biography notes) "[during the Cultural Revolution] he ran afoul of Jiang Qing, Mao's wife and member of the Gang of Four, and was sent to solitary for another 10 years" ("another" because he was also in confinement in the late 40s and early 50s as a supposed American spy.)

The CPC honored Epstein, Alley, Rittenberg and others for their contributions to Sino-American friendship and to helping publicize the cause of the Chinese people against internal reaction and the Japanese invaders during the 1930s-40s. Just like it honored the same contributions made by non-Jews like Edgar Snow, Anna Louise Strong, Agnes Smedley, and so on.

As for that "Destruction of the Russian Empire and Emerge of the Soviet Union" bit, I'll note that "The Wolf of the Kremlin" (one of its sources) is a work of fiction, to the extent Kaganovich's own family denounced it and to the extent it invented a fictional sister.

Schiff financed opposition to the Tsarist government and welcomed the rise of the Provisional Government. He didn't have anything to do with financing the Bolsheviks.

The quote taken from "Young Stalin" is blatantly out of context. Stalin was instructed by the Bolshevik Party to carry out work among the workers of the Baku oil refineries and factories, which were controlled in part by the Rothschild family. He helped organize a strike of these workers, whereupon he was imprisoned. Through selective quoting one turns Stalin noting that he found employment (an important part of carrying out propaganda among the working-class and helping organize the strike) into some sort of anti-gentile conspiracy.

The Ukrainian famine ("Holodomor") was neither intentional nor some sort of Jewish conspiracy. Mentioning Kaganovich and Yagoda is silly when we remember that Kosior, Postyshev, Petrovsky, and other non-Jews are also blamed for the "Holodomor" (and as far as I know they played a larger part than Kaganovich.)

Also by virtue of being head of the NKVD, Yagoda was obviously going to have some involvement in collectivization and managing the effects of famine. Had the NKVD head been a non-Jew (as every other leader of the Soviet secret police agencies was from Dzerzhinsky in 1917 to Vadim Bakatin in 1991), I don't see how they would have acted any differently in-re management of collectivization and dealing with the effects of famine. Yagoda was carrying out orders, not implementing them.

I could investigate other points made in these images, but I think I've already demonstrated that they contain numerous falsehoods, distortions, and stupid logic (like the one on China is largely just "OH MY GOD LOOK IT'S MAO AND ZHOU ENLAI WITH JEWS, THIS PROVES THE CPC IS RUN BY JEWS!!!")

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 No.10164

>>10159

>>10160

Funny how Jews can never debunk this. Watch them squirms as redpill bombs fall on them


 No.10165

>>10164

I wrote a bunch of rebuttals above your post: >>10163

Granted I'm not a Jew, but the point still stands.


 No.10166

I love that /pol/ cannot refute any of Ismail's posts, so they just spam jpgs


 No.10168

>>10166

>>10165

Jews are ever-present wherever there is communism. Just look at Bela Kun’s government...

LITERALLY ALL JEWS

Jews have their kike-fingers even in distance revolution such as China. No doubt crypto-Jews are / were in control of most socialist states since the dictatorship over the degenerate masses is the Talmudic form of government most appropriate to the Semitic nature


 No.10169

>>10168

>Jews are ever-present wherever there is communism

Jews are also ever-present wherever there's capitalism or feudalism, using the same logic. You could find Jews in the American Revolution as both revolutionaries and loyalists. As I've mentioned, the Bolsheviks had to wage a struggle against Zionism and the petty-bourgeois Bund.

You've given no evidence that a specifically "Jewish" agenda was pursued by any Jews in any proletarian state.

>Jews have their kike-fingers even in distance revolution such as China.

Here's another example of stupid logic. Innumerable Westerners had their hands in the affairs of China from the days of the colonialists, missionaries and imperialists till liberation in 1949. In modern times there were no shortage of Europeans who entered China either with malicious or helpful intentions. Among these were a few Jews from the many millions around the world.

So how is it in any way suspicious that a Jewish journalist like Israel Epstein, for example, would sympathetically cover China? Why focus on him specifically? What about the aforementioned Edgar Snow, Anna Louise Strong, and Agnes Smedley (to which one can also add Jack Belden, William Hinton, Owen Lattimore, etc.)?

What makes them different from Epstein besides Epstein's status as a Jewish guy?

>since the dictatorship over the degenerate masses is the Talmudic form of government most appropriate to the Semitic nature

Your comment is ironic considering that (to quote Israel Shahak again) in places with large Jewish populations during the medieval ages "we observe the rabbinical class, in alliance with the Jewish rich, oppressing the Jewish poor in its own interest as well as in the interest of the state – that is, of the [gentile] Crown and the nobility. . . . the rabbis were the most loyal, not to say zealous, supporters of the powers that be; and the more reactionary the regime, the more rabbinical support it had." ("Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years," 2008, pp. 66-67.)

The existence of the "Talmudic form of government" lording it over fellow Jews was bound up with the feudal (and outwardly Christian) kingdoms that you probably idolize, being the opponent of "modernism" that you are.

In fact it was the fascists, with their scorn for democracy and for the creative initiating of the working masses, and with such reactionary concepts as the Führerprinzip, who are closer to the "Talmudic form of government" than Marxism.


 No.10171

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>>10093

>Compelling refutation.

You have not given any argument, so why'd you expect a "refutation"?

>Reaction is rooting out foreign influence from an alien race, a race which has over the centuries time and time again came into friction with surrounding non-Jewish populations. Is it the gentiles at fault, those who want to live their own ways of life in the way they deem fit or the Jew from without who settles among them, forms a distinct society and attempts to judaize everything. We cannot forget that our own decadence is what allows the Jews to gain control over our governments, press and culture. They are like mosquitos, drawn to swamps and only a revolution of ourselves can extirpate this parasite, a revolution of reaction.

Serious question: do you think there is any logical or coherent argumentation in here? Do you really believe any of what you said will convince people that there is truth in your insane delusions? These are literally incoherent ramblings without any reasonable or scientific input.

>Capitalists are not bad by themselves. There is the capitalist who stands for the nation and there is the rootless capitalist who plunders the people in pursuit of profit.

Their individual character traits don't change anything about the system, you fucking dimwitted waste of breath. An individual capitalist can be a well-meaning person and philantropist, yet his role in society still means that he takes the surplus value of his laborers and profits off them. Just like an individual laborer can hate every other working class person and be selfish, but this would not separate his objective interests from the interests of his class as a whole.

Moreover, there is no way to assure that capitalists will "stand for the nation" (spooky) as long as the system encourages them to strive only for their profits. Capitalism should be abolished just as well as the concept of nations.

>Hitler was the greatest man this century, no in the last two millenium.

So great that he lost lol

>Communism is the child of Jewish thought and has historically been disseminated by Jews.

The vast majority of communists have been non-Jews, and you need only read Ismail's replies in this thread to see any historical "evidence" you could bring up for the "Jewishness" of communism debunked. Communism is, as Friedrich Engels put it, "the doctrine of the conditions of the liberation of the proletariat". The proletariat, much like the bourgeoisie, does not consist only of Jews.

>To say Jew and Marxist is to say two synonyms.

Marxism as a philosophical and scientific method did not exist before the 19th century. Judaism can be traced back multiple millennia. Also, one of them is a science and the other a religion.

>Marxism is anti-national, as is the Jew rootless

Surely Jews can be extremely nationalist. One needs to look only at the people who defend the existence of Israel, a state which already demonstrates the excesses of nationalism and the far-right, and which only serves as an outpost of global capitalism.

Capitalism is an international system: hence the mass of proletarians should organize themselves against it internationally, without respecting petit-bourgeois distinctions based on "nationality" and "race".

>Marxism transgresses against nature and reason

Yet any single sentence in works of Marxist philosophy contains more reason and coherence than this entire schizophrenic rant of an antisemitic boomer.


 No.10173

I'm giving /pol/ three more days before they start spamming gore and porn.

/marx/, despite being such a small board, must have hit a nerve.


 No.10174

>>10173

As long as we can keep them in this containment thread I don't care too much


 No.10176

>>10173

probably because Ismail actually knows his shit so /ppl/ is always getting BTFO here, unlike /leftypol/ where everyone just starts screaming at each other over bait threads.


 No.10177

>>10176

/pol/, not /ppl/*


 No.10182

>>10171

>You have not given any argument, so why'd you expect a "refutation"?

Typical of people of your ilk, refusing to see arguments and claiming that I am merely “mentally ill”.

>Serious question: do you think there is any logical or coherent argumentation in here? Do you really believe any of what you said will convince people that there is truth in your insane delusions? These are literally incoherent ramblings without any reasonable or scientific input.

Again, just because you have blinders on and cannot see my arguments or reasoning does not mean they are not there. Open your eyes. These are not “delusions”, it is natural Völkisch feeling. You have become so alienated from your nature that you can no longer understand. Trust in my words and the truth will call out. On the topic of scientific input, my question to you is– whose science? Real science or politically manipulated Jewish science?

>Their individual character traits don't change anything about the system, you fucking dimwitted waste of breath.

The national feeling can do great things. Hitler united the people of Germany against Marxism across borders. Your deterministic system forgets capitalism is a product of humans (or kikes)

>surplus value

Is debunked. Your autism is showing. Capitalism by itself is not exploitative. It’s not the 19th century anymore

New nationally minded men must be cultivated and your issues will be overcome.

>>Hitler was the greatest man this century, no in the last two millenium.

>So great that he lost lol

Not all great men are victors. Time shall clear their name. Hitler’s spirit lives on within all of us

>The vast majority of communists have been non-Jews, and you need only read Ismail's replies in this thread to see any historical "evidence" you could bring up for the "Jewishness" of communism debunked.

A racial Jew was the progenitor of communism and there is ample evidence all around us concerning the Jewish origins of Marxism and the labor movements in general. Notice how no one “debunked” the fact that Bela Kun LITERALLY INSTALLED A JEWISH OLIGARCHY OVER HUNGARY

>Communism is, as Friedrich Engels put it, "the doctrine of the conditions of the liberation of the proletariat".

Honeyed words to dupe the goyim. Anyone can be drawn to anything with passionate cries for LIBERATION AND FREEDOM. The degenerate masses wish to inherit the earth and the kikes will destroy all that is beautiful in natural starting with the Aryan – prometheus of mankind.

>Marxism as a philosophical and scientific method did not exist before the 19th century. Judaism can be traced back multiple millennia. Also, one of them is a science and the other a religion.

Marxism is political Judaism. It is Judaism applied to politics and adhered to by Jews and judaized gentiles

>Surely Jews can be extremely nationalist. One needs to look only at the people who defend the existence of Israel, a state which already demonstrates the excesses of nationalism and the far-right, and which only serves as an outpost of global capitalism.

(((Nationalism for me but not for thee)))

>Yet any single sentence in works of Marxist philosophy contains more reason and coherence than this entire schizophrenic rant of an antisemitic boomer.

*yawn* intellelectualism is degenerate and navel-gazing


 No.10183

>>10182

>Your deterministic system forgets capitalism is a product of humans

As Engels noted, "men make their own history, but in a given environment by which they are conditioned, and on the basis of extant and actual relations of which economic relations, no matter how much they may be influenced by others of a political and ideological nature, are ultimately the determining factor and represent the unbroken clue which alone can lead to comprehension."

Marxists commonly give the example of Cromwell, who wasn't aware he was a bourgeois revolutionary. Instead he saw himself as leading a religious struggle, attributing weaknesses on the battlefield to lack of faith in God.

Lincoln, another bourgeois revolutionary, had no inkling of what capitalism would become after the Civil War had ended. To him "capitalism" was what existed in the Midwest of the 1830s-50s. As one author noted, "The frontier was developing rapidly, there were no class lines, and the workman of one day was often the employer of the morrow. 'There is no permanent class of hired laborers among us,' said Lincoln in 1854; and tho the statement was by no means correct as applied to the East, it was in a large measure true of the Middle West."

>Capitalism by itself is not exploitative. It’s not the 19th century anymore

What made capitalism in the 19th century exploitative but capitalism in the 21st century suddenly good?

If surplus value is a "debunked" concept, how does profit arise?

>Notice how no one “debunked” the fact that Bela Kun LITERALLY INSTALLED A JEWISH OLIGARCHY OVER HUNGARY

What made it an "oligarchy"? Are you arguing the Károlyi and/or Horthy governments were democratic? Are you arguing the soviet system was a sham?

Also, you'd have to explain why there were plenty of Hungarian Jews who *weren't* communists (notably Oszkár Jászi, a member of the Károlyi government which Kun overthrew, and Vilmos Vázsonyi whose party had a sizable backing among the Jewish petty-bourgeoisie.)

The Kun and to a lesser extent Rákosi governments did indeed contain an overabundance of Jews. Hungary for a few months in 1919 is the closest you're getting to a "Jews control everything" narrative.

And yet what did this amount to in the end? Kun's policies were a combination of appealing to Hungarian nationalism and adopting ultra-left domestic policies that got him criticized by Lenin and other Bolsheviks. There's no "Talmudic form of government" at work here.

This was also a situation unique to Hungary. You can name plenty of places where Jews played important roles in communist movements, but only in Hungary did it assume such an exaggerated form. This makes it more like other cases where certain sections of the population were accused of monopolizing political power (e.g. Russians in the non-Russian republics of the USSR, Tosks in Albania, the PDPA in Afghanistan divided into the Pashtun-based Khalq and the mostly non-Pashtun Parcham, etc.) rather than proof of the international communist movement and/or Marxism itself being "Jewish" or dominated by Jews to the detriment of non-Jews.

>Marxism is political Judaism. It is Judaism applied to politics and adhered to by Jews and judaized gentiles

You've never explained how.

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>>10182

>Bela Kun installed a Jewish oligarchy over Hungary

What the actual fuck are you talking about?

You realise that Lenin himself wrote that Kun had implemented even more Radical anti Private property measures then the Bolsheviks had under fucking war Communism right?


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>>10182

>Claming that I am "Mentally I'll"

Odd how no one said that but you just suddenly blurt that out


 No.10186

>>10182

>Muh Volk

>Muh Volkishness

>National Muh feeling's

I applaud you for just admitting that your ideology is unscientific at least


 No.10197

>>10182

>Nationalism for me but not for thee

Which is how nationalism ultimately always works, no matter if it's Nazism repressing any "non-Aryan" groups, Zionism repressing Palestinians or the several combatting nationalist groups trying to impose their own superiority in the Yugoslav wars of the 90s.


 No.10205

>>10185

I was merely mentioning the tactics of pilpul and ad homineming that people do. I can assure you I am completely mentally sound.

>>10186

What is more natural than the existence of race? Do people not feel belonging to a community? Jews attempt to destroy community and atomize everyone and destroy this natural belonging. National socialism IS science in a political guise

>>10197

One must protect their own Volk. I do not cry when people mention “muh poor Jews and Poles”. Hitler wanted to ensure the existence of his Volk for generations afterwards. He failed and look at the cesspit Germany is today. Turks everywhere, Arabs everywhere. The U-Bahn in Berlin is filled with men in headscarves and more foreign barbarian languages than German. Hitler was right.

>>10184

Bela Kun’s government was completely Jewish

https://www.deathofcommunism.com/bela-kun/

>>10183

The Treaty of Trianon, written by Entente Jews stole 70% of Hungary’s land. Immeadiately after Jewish communists take power. This is no coincidence


 No.10206

>>10205

>The Treaty of Trianon, written by Entente Jews stole 70% of Hungary’s land. Immeadiately after Jewish communists take power. This is no coincidence

The Treaty of Trianon wasn't presented to Hungary until after the downfall of Kun's government.

What caused fall of the Károlyi government was the infamous "Vix note," not Trianon. And as I said, Kun's government to a considerable extent sought to make use of Hungarian national sentiments in its resistance to the Romanian forces, in its attempts to move into Slovakia, etc.

Furthermore the international communist movement denounced the "peace treaties" imposed after World War I. As a 1922 Comintern manifesto noted, "The workers of the defeated capitalist countries must understand that the chains of Versailles, Trianon and Neuilly can be broken if they act not with their own bourgeoisie but with the proletariat of the victorious countries. The entire international proletariat must rally round Soviet Russia, the only proletarian State which opposes to the robber policy of international imperialism the organized strength of one hundred and fifty million people."

I see no unified "Jewish" force at work here.


 No.10207

>>10205

>What is more natural than the existence of race?

Any other school of actual science?

>Jews attempt to destroy community and atomize everyone and destroy this natural belonging.

No capitalism if anything

>National socialism IS science in a political guise

National "Socialism" was both a Economic and societal failure read "Wages of destruction"

>Do people not feel belonging to a community?

I really dont feel the need to validate myself that way

>One must protect their own Volk

Hitler's War literally resulted in more damage being done to German culture / Society then almost anyone in the past

>Bela Kun’s government was completely Jewish

>www.deathofcommunism.com

Even if true (Likely isnt but ill leave to ismail) they were Communists and thus in the right

>The Treaty of Trianon, written by Entente Jews stole 70% of Hungary’s land. Immeadiately after Jewish communists take power. This is no coincidence

Kun literally fought against the Balkan Entente (Romania / Yugo / Czechs) and the treaty of Trianon was put in place after the Hungarian Soviet fell


 No.10208

>>10207

>Even if true (Likely isnt but ill leave to ismail)

It wasn't literally every single government post, but yeah the bulk of cabinet members were Jews. As I said, it was a situation unique to Hungary, and was akin to other countries where certain ethnic or religious groups were accused of having an inordinate influence over the government (again, to use another example, the Derg in Ethiopia was accused of being in the hands of the Amhara, the traditional "elites" of Ethiopian society, to the detriment of other ethnic groups, whereas opponents of Ethiopia's modern government often denounce it as being dominated by Tigrayans.)

There was nothing actually "Jewish" about the Kun government outside of the fact that its members were largely Jews though, e.g. there's no evidence of it trying to impose a "Talmudic form of government" or what have you. And in order for "communism is a Jewish conspiracy to oppress gentiles" to make sense, you'd need to provide more evidence than simply one short-lived government having a preponderance of Jews.

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 No.10230

As an aside, an amusing (in the context of this thread) extract from an article titled "Revolution and antisemitism: the Bolsheviks in 1917" by Brendan McGeever:

>For all that the Bolsheviks played an unquestionably crucial role in the broad socialist response to antisemitism in 1917, newspaper reports from the summer and autumn of that year show that they were frequently accused by other socialists of perpetuating antisemitism and even harbouring antisemites within the party’s social base. . .

>The Menshevik newspaper Vpered also reported in June that, at an open meeting in the Mar’ina Roshcha district of Moscow, Bolsheviks shouted down Mensheviks, accusing them of being ‘Yids’ who ‘exploit the proletariat’. Reports of Bolshevik antisemitism aimed at Mensheviks in Moscow continued throughout the July Days, and were replicated in other cities too. Ilia Ehrenburg, who would go on to be one of the most prolific and well-known Jewish writers in the Soviet Union, wrote the following letter to his friend M. A Voloshin a few days after the October insurrection. It stands as perhaps the most vivid description of the articulation between antisemitism and the revolutionary process in 1917:

>>Yesterday I was standing in line, waiting to vote for the Constituent Assembly. People were saying ‘Whoever’s against the Yids, vote for number 5! [the Bolsheviks]’, ‘Whoever’s for world-wide revolution, vote for number 5!’ The patriarch rode by, sprinkling holy water; everyone removed their hats. A group of soldiers passing by started to belt out the Internationale in his direction. . .

>Solomon Lur’e similarly observed Bolsheviks assuring voters queuing up to vote in the Constituent Assembly elections that the head of the Provisional Government, Alexander Kerensky, was in fact a Jew and that, for this reason, they should choose to support the Bolsheviks. Kerensky, of course, was not Jewish but such antisemitism did not operate according to logic or verifiable empirical observation. Indeed, the Provisional Government was frequently labelled by antisemites as ‘Jewish’, despite the fact that there were no Jews in the government. One arresting illustration of the extraordinary degree to which antisemitism could take flight from reality is captured when Kerensky, leaving the Winter Palace by car on the night of the Bolshevik insurrection, noticed that someone had painted in huge letters across the palace wall: ‘Down with the Jew Kerensky, Long Live Trotsky!’ . . .

>In a Jewish newspaper issued shortly after the October Revolution, it was claimed that antisemitic Black Hundreds were ‘filling up the ranks of the Bolsheviks ’across the whole country. Such claims certainly ought to be treated with a strong degree of caution. Nevertheless, the notion that Bolshevism could be appealing to far-right antisemites was not entirely without substance: in some far-right circles the October Revolution was welcomed in the hours immediately following the seizure of power. For example, an astonishing editorial in the antisemitic paper Groza (Thunderstorm) on 29 October declared:

>>The Bolsheviks have seized power. The Jew Kerensky, lackey to the British and the world’s bankers, having brazenly assumed the title of commander-in-chief of the armed forces and having appointed himself Prime Minister of the Orthodox Russian Tsardom, will be swept out of the Winter Palace, where he had desecrated the remains of the Peace-Maker Alexander III with his presence. On October 25th, the Bolsheviks united all the regiments who refused to submit to a government composed of Jew bankers, treasonous generals, traitorous land-owners, and thieving merchants.

>It is abundantly clear that the Bolshevik leadership sought to arrest this articulation between the antisemitism of the far right and the radicalism of the Bolshevik project (the Groza newspaper, for example, was immediately closed down after the revolution).

The author does fairly point out that the number of registered Bolsheviks vastly increased in the course of 1917, and that new recruits would inevitably carry old prejudices with them. Also, "radicalized soldiers regularly spoke at political meetings ‘as Bolsheviks’, even when they had no party credentials. This sometimes led Bolshevik leaders to demand party credentials be shown before rank-and-file members could speak at rallies."

But yeah this is yet another example of how the "Bolsheviks were diabolical Jews who oppressed gentiles" narrative is dumb.

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 No.10431

>>10159

>>10164

Dude you're a fucking shame of us. You don't win by acting like you own this place or else you're going to get knocked off your block immediately. At least try to argue without assuming your victory and you won't be clawing back at whatever you've lost.

t. /pol/ack lurker


 No.10444

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>>10431

I was once a lurker too, anon before I realized that I had to go on an offensive. Read the words carefully, read between the lines. You will not see English but now Hebrew. You are being duped by the Jewish method of pilpul. Their arguments are all lies and distortions of Truth. My Weltausschauung is eternal Völkisch truth, that is why victory is assured. if you weren’t a lurking newfag you’d realize that the truth is within you. Truth is in the Blood (das Blut), not in the scribblings of Jews


 No.10472

>>10444

Are you trolling


 No.10506

>>8817

>natsoc was a christian movement

dat b simply rong. Fascism/Natsoc b da tool da hitler use to remove da pure bluds from germany, but den his fellow mulatto Stalin accidentally attacked. but den he realized he meant to attack gremany not germany, and hitler fogave him in shit lik dat, and den dey had a big party, but den a asasin shot dem, and dat be wer da lie of world wor two comes from


 No.10520

>>10472

I don’t troll, kike. My views are my blood, not a “meme”


 No.10523

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>>10444

fuck.. you're right

after all this time I realized Nazism is Jewish too! don't believe Hitlers kikeish lies!!! it's all a *throws meds in trash bin* conspiracy bro


 No.10527

>>10520

Your blood is generated in your bone marrow. From there it flows to your heart, where it is pumped to lungs, where it picks up precious oxygen, it then is pumped back to the heart where it delivers said oxygen and other nutrients to the various organs and tissues throughout the body. Once it does this, it returns to the heart where the cycle is repeated.

There is literally nothing special about your blood beyond that. It does not hold views, it does embody your views, and it doesn't hold any sort of mystic ayran powers.


 No.10532

>>10523

You mock, but the seed has been planted deep within your subconscious mind, an embryo developing until its glorious reemergence as Aryan of your ancestral lineage. That is unless you are not one of my tribe but rather an outsider, or some sort of rootless cosmopolitan. I am focusing deep on my screen, listening to the words of my ancestors but the results are inconclusive. From the babble I hear truth but not the Truth that I search for. Look within, discover Truth. Seneca said: Recēde in tē ipsum. Truer words have never been spoken.

Ipse dīxi:

SAPIĒNS VERITĀTEM DĪVĪNAM IN SĒ IPSUM INVENĪRE POTEST


 No.10541

I see you ran out of arguments, and have been reduced to schitzophrenic gibberish.

Thread can be closed now, there's nothing more to accomplish here.


 No.10542

>>10541

All I say are arguments yet you do not argue back. Sad sad sad. You can not recognize where they and must resort to calling me mentally ill when it is quite evident that my intellectual capacities are infinitely larger than of yours, lower than that of a negroud


 No.10558

>>10444

>anon before I realized that I had to go on an offensive

plz dont shoot up a black church or somethin man

>>10520

>My views are my blood, not a “meme”

Are you that idiot that keeps posting pics of vikings and shit on /leftypol/ and talks about how his "Aryan Blood" is talking to you in your head?

>>10532

why do you assume hes Nordic LMAO

>>10542

<They just dont understand how big brained


 No.10560

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>>10558

Clearly my intellectual capacities are far exceeding yours with proof being that not once in this thread has an actual argument been offered against my prowess. You think people like you, brainwashed by Talmudic scholars, would at least have been trained in (((college))) to, as pitiful as the attempt may be in face of Völkisch truth, argue against me. All I get is snark, pilpul and falsities. The völkisch worldview is indeed totalitarian in the sense that all aspects of life are encompassed within its eternal truth that it alone can offer. I, upon witnessing this board, have made it my eternal duty to rescue the Jewish gentiles (Jewish by upbringing) and to cast down the Jews who infect this site and turn /marx/ from a bastion of distortion and UNTRUTH to a beackon of untruth exposed to divine light.


 No.10561

>>10560

there is no such thing as a "Volkish worldview"

shit either exists or it dosent exist objectivly your personal worldiew does not change this

<Rest of this post

ok this 100% Bait now


 No.10562

>>10558

I was so consumed in translating the Hebrew in your post to see your question about the nature of Aryan blood. Yes, that is me. Aryan blood is not mere blood, but closer to ichor. Ichor why? Because it carries DNA from a non-human race. Non-human neanderthals are contributors to the blood of the Aryan, without which would be not have ascended beyond the level of Negroids and other assorted “humans”. The Aryan is not human, but a mixture of a human and neanderthal. He, in his formation, destroyed the pure neanderthals and drove them from Europa, leaving us in a half-ascended, half-degenerated state which day is the Aryan, still yet the most sublime being in modern existence which must be preserved for the qualities of its blood alone. This blood carries a power which unites us all as one in a great ancestral tree. For the Aryan the dead do not truly die but live on in spirit through the blood of the living. Research the collective Aryan consciousness potential and truth shall be revealed. This is why I said in Latin earlier that you must look into yourself for divine truth, for the blood itself is divine. Those times when you are alone in a quiet room, listen to your blood and from the silence begins a murmur...then a roar. Voices, voices of the ancestors speak in unison, offering guidance, wisdom, Völkisch truth. This innate potential is within all Aryans and I must spread this truth both far and wide, for there are those who can be saved from their existence as Jewish golems. In real life, off of the Internet, I have had great success communicating these principles in whatever way I can. Even if it appears all for naught the seed has been planted and will germinate in time. They too may hear the song


 No.10563

>>10561

Read Mein Kampf. Millions of National Socialists would heavily disagree with you. That is the proof


 No.10565

>>10562

>Divinity

>Volkish

>Spirit

Blood has got nothing to do with spiritualism or Divinity or "The Volk" or anything else in that regard

"Divinity and spirit" isnt real

NONE of this is real

>>10563

Read Capital. Millions of Marxists would heavily disagree with you. That is the proof


 No.10566

>>10565

>NONE of this is real

My own experience speaks against your mere assertions. I have heard and seen what I post. Look inwards and I tell you that you will be posting like me soon, trying to share this spiritual journey

>Read Capital

I already have and it has been debunked time and time again


 No.10567

>>10566

>My own experience speaks against your mere assertions. I have heard and seen what I post. Look inwards and I tell you that you will be posting like me soon, trying to share this spiritual journey

Fuck dude i hope not

>I already have and it has been debunked time and time again

How so?


 No.10568

>>10567

>i hope not

It’s so sad that you Judified gentiles do not appreciate the power of the spirit and the immense life satisfaction that it can provide. You are too focused on hedonism and materialism and ignoring the ever-present link to your ancestors. True enlightenment is possible. I deeply recall the day I broke off the Jewish yoke and felt the blood flow.

>How so?

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/03/david-gordon/mises-destroyed-marx/


 No.10569

>>10568

>power of the spirit

Not real

>and materialism

Yes i believe in reality unlike you

>ignoring the ever-present link to your ancestors.

There is no magical spiritual link to people related to you who died a thousand years ago

>True enlightenment is possible

Wtf is "True Enlightenment"?

>I deeply recall the day I broke off the Jewish yoke and felt the blood flow.

Reminder that blood cant talk

its all in your mind

>mises-destroyed-marx/

Read Cockshott the calculation problem has already been debunked


 No.10574

>>10562

>muh blud

For the last time, the only thing special about your (or for that matter anyone else's) blood is that it transports oxygen and nutrients, Apparently not enough in your case. It doesn't contain magical Aryan spirits or ideologies or tell you truths. That's just your schizophrenia talking.

>>10566

>My own experience speaks against your mere assertions.

The irony in that sentence is so thick you could mine it and send it off to a steel mill.

>>10563

>>Millions of National Socialists would heavily disagree with you.

Ad Populum arguement. Even if this was true (which it isn't, considering most Natsocs are just edgy incels who just blame their lack of job and girlfriends on duh jews n mooslims n sheet, and don't know and don't care about any of the other voodoo you're spouting right now,) what "Millions of National Socialists" think is utterly irrelevant.

Millions of people (did) think the world was flat, there's your proof.


 No.10575

>>10532

nigger I was browsing /pol/ for years before I went on this site


 No.10576

Ismail can we anchor this thread? It would be fine if there was genuine discussion but at this point it's pretty much this one retard spouting gibberish about his magical feelings and blood.


 No.10577

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>>10569

>Millions of people (did) think the world was flat, there's your proof.

That is no proof at all. Look at the pic related and tell me this is spherical, or how one would stand on the South Pole if it was at the bottom of a sphere? It’s clearly impossible when thought over by the rational mind. On your other pathetic attempted rebuttals, they are not worthy of my time. I know Truth and you can not distort such things through (((science))) and abuse of medical terminology designed to paint me, knower of what people once knew, as (((mentally ill)))


 No.10578

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>>10577

Okay, now I know you're just trolling. Just have your (you) and fuck off back to /pol/.


 No.10579

>>10576

I second this. This thread has gotten just plain silly now.

Enough of this turgid passion play, there's nothing more to accomplish here.


 No.10618

what we can take from this, is that unsourced jpegs are not good rebuttals left or right.


 No.10668

>thread is about how kikes were innocent

>immediately revealed that marxists are just pretend polite kikes who say races aren't real and racial and national identities (which include unsullied bloodlines, of course) are just imagination

This is why marxism is a joke. You subhumans almost got me engaged with your superficial politeness. But to have the goyim racemix as a prime objective, tsch tsch....

Thanks for reaffirming my instant dismissal of marxism, just as the shitskin invasion of Europe does.

And didnt some red leaders had pretty nasty thing to say about niggers too? Blood seems to matter more than just carrying blood cells then 😂😂


 No.10669

>>10574

>egy incels

Slow down, bad ass. You are frequenting the lower traffic side of h8chan.


 No.10670

>>10668

>But to have the goyim racemix as a prime objective

I'm not going to go through the entire thread to locate what you're talking about. Where did you schizo interpret that the prime objective of Marxism is "racemixing"?


 No.10673

>>10577

>>10668

>>10669

The quality of this thread continues to sink lower and lower, I see.


 No.10687

>>10668

>there have existed some racist people historically so this literally proves my blood is a magical substance that sets me apart from other "races"

How can /pol/yps be so utterly disconnected from reality?


 No.10690

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>>10687

Blood is the linkage to the one’s ancestors, whether one be Aryan or of the more inferior races. The sacred blood of the Aryan is his genetic and spiritiual link to his ancestors stretching back in time further than any mere human can comprehend. We are but a mere LINK in a CHAIN and thus it is our duty to pass on our patrimony to the next generation yet to be born. Being as they are linkages, our genetic memory is retained, flowing through our very veins this moment, though only if one listens carefully to their heart.

>Where did you schizo interpret that the prime objective of Marxism is "racemixing"?

The prime objective has manifested itself in this thread through the continual denial of blood and the Marxist obsession with equality over natural hierarcy. Again, read Mein Kampf and Hitler will enlighten you on all of this. I have not been the same since then. I felt ashamed for once having been a Marxist, but being an Aryan could transcend upon my involuntarily Jewish culture roots.

>>10673

Argument against a solid wall of facts is hard, isn’t it? Marxism is clearly not equiped for the power of a united Volk


 No.10694

>>10690

>The prime objective has manifested itself in this thread

so it literally is your schizophrenia

>read Mein Kampf and Hitler

I have no interest in your obsessions over a failed Austrian artist

>I felt ashamed for once having been a Marxist

You were never a Marxist to begin with and it shows throughout the thread that you have not an inkling of what Marx said. You were and are a liberal, but an angry liberal (fascist).


 No.10695

>>10694

>so it literally is your schizophrenia

You are a builder by trade, I see. A builder of boxes which you use to try to define me with your Semitic terms. The section “Schiz” looks rather Jewish to me, and it is conveyed to me through Reason that this is so. (((Schiz)))ophrenia is a human construct designed to demonize the natural thought-patterns of ancient Aryans which often manifest in special individuals. Of course, the key is within our hearts if only we can generate the will to turn it. Your only rebuttals to the facts I provide are mere assertions on the state of my mental state – a state which, I must assure you again, is healthier and more profound than anything on this Earth in the last eon. We must turn back to seek knowledge, for what is knowledge today is not what one says at all.

>I have no interest in your obsessions over a failed Austrian artist

You denigrate the Great because You are weak, it is as simple as that, my friend. Hitler was the greatest man since Caesar. Hitler was one of the greatest Examples of Aryanhood in millenia and his prevalence, being ubiquitous is proof enough of his near divine nature and deeds. Read Mein Kampf, it speaks to the soul, not in Hebrew, but in European.

>You were never a Marxist to begin with and it shows throughout the thread that you have not an inkling of what Marx said. You were and are a liberal, but an angry liberal (fascist).

No, falsities are in your post. I was a Marxist for many years and read many of Marx’s greatest works. I lived as though I was Marx in thought and mind?m, shunning Hitler as you do now. But, one day, on the verge of my adulthood, the key was turned and Truth was realized. These doors that we call opportunities have no locks


 No.10696

File: a6894cf2fd1708c⋯.jpg (207.91 KB, 600x574, 300:287, 1398127144125.jpg)

>>10695

>I lived as though I was Marx in thought and mind

I see, your psychosis started a long time ago.

>I was a Marxist for many years and read many of Marx’s greatest works

Cramming your head with books without thinking isn't going to make to understand any of it just as much as cramming your body with carbs without working out isn't going to grow you muscles. But I doubt you've read anything other than the Manifesto and maybe like a 1/3 of Capital, that is, if you're not just daydreaming about reading any of those. Hard to discern whether a schizo is speaking truth or not.

>But, one day, on the verge of my adulthood,

Ah, and there it is. Now everything is clear.


 No.10698

>>10696

>But I doubt you've read anything other than the Manifesto and maybe like a 1/3 of Capital, that is, if you're not just daydreaming about reading any of those.

I have read every single major work of Marx, and the entirety of the first volume of Capital. Beyond the first volume it became extremely clear to me that Marx was charlatan and of course modern economicists debunked him long ago, something that basic logic and reason can also accomplish. Of course, we discussed this earlier in the thread, where I demonstrated that the LTV is a falsity, the dictatorship of the proletariat is a method of instrumentalizing the rabble for Jewish machinations and that Marx’s materialism makes him distinctly Jewish. All of this is not the product of Aryan genetic heritage, this is clear. That tune I have not heard. Why did Marx’s swindle resonate so far among the semi-mongolized Russians? Because their Aryan heritage had been infected and corrupted, like paint stirred together and impossible to Unmix. Aryans cannot be Marxist by nature for it is wholly alien to them. Reading Marx, they call out “THIS IS NOT TRUTH, BUT LIES. THINK OF US” and that is that.

>Ah, and there it is. Now everything is clear.

We have already addressed my mental state and I was hoping that you have releaized that trying to label me with Jewish illnesses is not going to work. FICTIONAL may I add of course too


 No.10699

>>10698

>where I demonstrated that the LTV is a falsity

I'm not going to read through an entire thread of your babble. Link it and let me judge.

>>Ah, and there it is. Now everything is clear.

>We have already addressed my mental state

Lol, I wasn't talking about your mental (an apt description) state there. Man, you're as dumb as they come.


 No.10700

>>10699

>Link it and let me judge.

You call me as dumb as they come but you evidently have already came.


 No.10701

>>10700

>if you don't waste your time going through 148 replies to find my kernel of insanity ur dumb

no thanks bud


 No.10703

>>10701

There are 149 replies but at least I possess the energy and intelligence to sift through a single thread. Time is an illusion anyway and I will live on


 No.10704

I've been getting requests to lock this thread, but I'm against the idea. I don't mind keeping this /marx/'s containment thread for anti-Semitic arguments and rebuttals. If you feel someone in question is making really dumb posts, you don't have to reply to them.


 No.10725

>>10707

>I've seen similar threads on /pol/

what else is new


 No.10726

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>>10668

Literally where in this thread did anyone claim they wanted to do some Francia-esque forced racemixing nonsense?


 No.10727

>>10668

Also.

>Not beliving in "Pure" bloddlines and Racial "Science" makes you jooish


 No.10731

File: affd0b5ac26b29d⋯.png (2.19 MB, 1200x1200, 1:1, nazihanging.png)

>>10690

>as they are linkages, our genetic memory is retained, flowing through our very veins this moment, though only if one listens carefully to their heart.

You are mentally ill.

>Marxism is clearly not equiped for the power of a united Volk

Worked last time.


 No.10732

>>10727

It does make you make Jewish because you acquired such ideas in Jewish-created and Jewish-controlled MATERIAL CONDITIONS. I thought you Marxists were big on historical materialism? I guess it doesn’t apply when you have to defend your Jewish masters, huh? The Aryan has been neutered by the Jew, hence why the connection to the blood has been sealed away (though not permanently as I have demonstrated).

>>10731

>You are mentally ill.

Again and again and again you say this, simply because you have no argument. You are literally a soulless, rootless GOLEM with no single original thought in your brain. Mental illness ISN’T REAL and is used as a tool by government agents, Mossad, deep-state to systematically target and destroy threats to the current Talmudic order. the more I post the more of this I see, so I know I am making waves.

>Worked last time

It took the entire world to kill fascism. FASCISM DIED BY THE SWORD, not through its own flaws, unlike the JEWSSR


 No.10739

>>10732

>You are literally a soulless, rootless GOLEM

i refuse to believe that someone could write those words out with a straight face

YOU ARE A SOULLESS GOLEM! i am going to have to start using that.


 No.10740

File: 1423bf184789de4⋯.jpg (22.52 KB, 256x224, 8:7, golem.jpg)

>>10732

You better run.


 No.10741

>>10732

>It does make you make Jewish because you acquired such ideas in Jewish-created and Jewish-controlled MATERIAL CONDITIONS. I thought you Marxists were big on historical materialism? I guess it doesn’t apply when you have to defend your Jewish masters, huh?

heard it here first folks

REALITY is Jewish

MATERIAL OBJECTS are Jewish

Made by Big Brain Natzi gang

>The Aryan has been neutered by the Jew, hence why the connection to the blood has been sealed away (though not permanently as I have demonstrated).

this literally reads like one of those Anime where the MC realizes he had the power inside himself the whole time or some shit

>Mental illness ISN’T REAL

Imagine believing this Lmao

>no arguments

wtf have your posts been then lmao

>It took the entire world to kill fascism. FASCISM DIED BY THE SWORD, not through its own flaws, unlike the JEWSSR

Not an argument

still failed and has followers worldwide and less nations using it as its political system then any other political system on earth including fucking Monarchies


 No.10742

>>10741

*Less followers


 No.10748

>>10732

>It took the entire world to kill fascism.

The fact that it managed to turn said entire world against it in the first place is a pretty big flaw.

Also, rather incorrect. 80% of it was the Soviet Union. The 'rest of the world' basically fought the whole war on easy mode.


 No.10749

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>>10740

Eh, I would have gone with this, but that works too.


 No.10808

>>7601

The cosmopolitan nature of the jew is in-fact inherently jewish in nature. A culture of dis-belonging requires that a jew be specifically drawn to a world where borders be destroyed, whether it be the border of private property or the border of the state and even class. The jew is always on the outside, longing for the ability to remove the concept of the outside. Its inherent in their artistic expression, their movies and literature, it is inherent in their speech patterns and in their need for inclusion. They will see a structure and will almost always try to find a way to decomstruct it. This is the cultural affliction of the jewish people, its openly celebrated by them in fact.

So no. Fuck you. Its definitely jewish, and the mere fact that even stating the phrase "jewish" conjures up pavlovian responses of "anti-semite" and gnashing and wailing of teeth only proves the point further. Jews hate borders and boxes so much their mere categorization almost physically hurts them.


 No.10809

>>10808

>A culture of dis-belonging requires that a jew be specifically drawn to a world where borders be destroyed, whether it be the border of private property or the border of the state and even class.

I can't see much evidence of "the cosmopolitan nature of the Jew" during the medieval ages when ordinary Jews lived in ghettos lorded over by religious leaders who encouraged xenophobia and collaborated with the powers that be.

Your claim that there is some sort of united aim among Jews to destroy the "borders" between states and classes is especially stupid considering the existence of the Zionism and considering that Jews are divided into antagonistic classes just as gentiles are.

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 No.10818

>>10732

> you acquired such ideas in Jewish-created and Jewish-controlled MATERIAL CONDITIONS.

uh, no I didn't, I only interacted with a handful of Jewish people in my life as far as I'm aware


 No.10825

>>10809

>>10808

Ok Ismail lets concede to his worldview a sec and PRETEND that Jews all want le spooky world without borders or some shit

That still Dosent link it with Marxism as two different ideological systems having similar aims in ONE area does not equate a universal link between the two


 No.10826

>>10825

Yeah, I recently had someone claim that one of the goals of the Illuminati was to abolish private property, ergo Marx was an Illuminati shill.

I pointed out that even if Adam Weishaupt really did seek the abolition of private property (I couldn't find any sources that weren't "the Illuminati still exists and rules the world"), that doesn't prove anything. Gerrard Winstanley wanted to abolish private property a century before Weishaupt. Even Plato thought that private property had harmful effects and that the rulers of society should live communistically to best serve the rest of the population.

And of course I pointed out that there's no evidence linking Marx to the Illuminati (which had long ceased to exist by the 1840s), that he opposed secret societies, etc.

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 No.10834

>>10818

>I only interacted with a handful of Jewish people in my life as far as I'm aware

This doesn’t change the fact that kikes control the levers of power and have created a Jewish cultural environment


 No.10895

>>10834

>Jewish cultural environment

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


 No.11091

>>10444

No way you're for real

If anything these people should be our allies.


 No.11106

File: 5152d99eb0c00da⋯.gif (1000.87 KB, 640x480, 4:3, smiley.gif)

>>7607

Debunked by >>>/pol/12545110

JOOOOOS


 No.11107

>>11106

>Literally no refutation of any of the points of the image at all

>"Just ignore it Proles the data in it was from someone I don't like!"

/pol/'s big brains on full display


 No.11108

>>11107

>>11106

Cont.

Also its epic owning of Da Joos is from clearly biased sources (Some "US Intelligence agent" ranting about "slimy Jews" and an unammed white paper from the UK


 No.11110

>>11108

Isn't it a little weird that the typical neo-nazi says there weren't even that many jews in Europe then when talking about the Holocaust, but when they're talking about the Weimar Republic they act like it was an infestation, like there were jews just around every corner, in every government office etc?


 No.11113

>>11110

You need to understand that to the Right / Reaction the Weimar Republic was this mythical dystopian state where all traditions were torn down Da LibTard Joos took over there was a gay bathhouse and donkey show on every corner nudism was rampant etc

Obviously most of these myths are exaggerations

Weimar was mostly just your average Bougie-Democracy Albeit an insanely flawed and barely functional one which likely never had a "fair" election


 No.11114

>>11107

/pol/ ceased to be a place where something approaching discussion happend around 2015.

The fact that people are constantly reposting pictures and "info"graphics that were specifically debunked back in 2014 for containing fake quotes (whether from the Torah or famous people) or randomly attributing people as cryptojews is telling.


 No.11121

It’s funny to come back to this place and see you fucking commies still squirming after my devestation of your so-called “refutations”. It bothered you enough that after weeks I come back to see your tears still flowing. In the meantime I have have witnessed the people of France rise against the Jews. Aryan blood will rise above.

>YOU’RE FAKE

>MUH DADDY MARX

>YOU’RE MENTALLY ILL

None of these are arguments against any of my posts. These “arguments” roll off of my like water on a duck

>>10895

It means a cultural environment under the control and domination of Jews. Modern western civilization is soley the product of Jewish thought (Christianity). Aryans have been cut off from their roots and confused by Jewish lies. The answer lies in the blood but the Jew has muddled everything up


 No.11151

>>11121

>This sorry is back again

Cool lets get started

>It means a cultural environment under the control and domination of Jews. Modern western civilization is soley the product of Jewish thought (Christianity).

<All philosophers born after ~1700

<Christianity is Muh JOo

<all aspects of western culture you don't like are Muh joos

For a Nazi you really hate western society don't you?


 No.11152

>>11121

And no you can't use "The blood" to restore your ideal society that never existed

<"I'm not a Schizo JOOOOS!!!!!"

<"Also Muh Aryan blood is talking to me and telling to what to do!!!!"


 No.11155

>>11151

>All philosophers born after ~1700

I don’t get what philosophy has to do with this. Philosophers are judaized, philisophy is meaningless garbage and pilpul. Nonsenical jabbering over nothing. Is this not as Jewish as it gets? Science has been seperated from philosophy and now it will die. Anyone tricked by philosophy has no brain. Either way philosophers are products of the same Semitic environment

<Christianity is Muh JOo

Christianity is as Jewish as it gets. Even Marxist kikes like you should be able to admit such basicFACTS.

<all aspects of western culture you don't like are Muh joos

Truth hurts huh? I have systematically observed that the degenerate aspects of Western society all link back to ONE SINGLE ethnic group...hmm...just a (((Cohencidence))), huh? Strange how the great destroyer of race and nations (marxism) is also the product of a literal crypto-Jew

>For a Nazi you really hate western society don't you?

I hate the degeneracy of the modern West and look back to a glorious Aryan past. One that existed before the great judification. Look at the glory of Rome, Greece, never have they been surpassed.

>>11152

And no you can't use "The blood" to restore your ideal society that never existed

The blood speaks, it does not “do”. Those who listen to their own divine rythm can tap into the Akashic Records of their Volk. Imagine a mighty divine film-reel, though one existing since the beginning of Man. This reel holds every thought, memory, desire, feeling, interest, attribute, sight, sound, smell, event, everything that has been and will be. What is, and what is not. It is the true alpha and omega. I am slowly becoming aware of true depths of the Aryan genetic web and the deeper I delve into the Godhead the more immense my revelation has become. I implore you to do the same, spread my discoveries, once known to one and all before Mu.

Once you realize that this great ideal of the Aryan society restored is inevitable I’m sure you will be able to tap in as I have done. All of history is heading in one direction, seemingly away from the great, natural and primitive past towards an inhuman, race-mixed technological hellscape, while in reality this very advancement of technological capacities is the KEY to salvation. Primitivism is the door, advancement is the key. It is not utopian, it is scientific


 No.11156

>>11155

>The blood speaks, it does not “do”. Those who listen to their own divine rythm can tap into the Akashic Records of their Volk.

What are the Akashic Records?


 No.11157

>>11156

Exactly as explained, though with a further revealed aspect recently conveyed to me

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashic_records


 No.11163

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>>11157

>>11155

>Philosophy isn't strictly scientific so Muh joos

>Believes in literal new age hippy tier pseudo"Scienece"

>Truth hurts huh? I have systematically observed that the degenerate aspects of Western society all link back to ONE SINGLE ethnic group...hmm...just a (((Cohencidence))), huh? Strange how the great destroyer of race and nations (marxism) is also the product of a literal crypto-Jew

Yeah but where in this szhizoid rant is their any proof though? :D:D:D

>Look at the glory of Rome, Greece, never have they been surpassed.

Neither of those civilisations were quote on quote "Aryan"

Literally while Rome was at its peak the Goths Saxons and other proto GERMans were literally running around in loincloths throwing spears at animals

So basically this is once again some devolved GERManoid Mongrel trying to steal proud Mediterranean history


 No.11165

>>11156

Basically new age hippy shit that he's repurposed to rationalise his schizo fantasies


 No.11167

>>11121

>It means a cultural environment under the control and domination of Jews

So basically: It's whatever you want it to mean because jewish is a thing by jews that is jewish which is a thing by jews that is jewish which is a thing by jews that is jewish which is a thing by jews that is jewish which is a thing by jews that is jewish which is a thing by jews that is jewish which is a thing by jews who are basically whatever I want them to mean.

Or the short version: It means nothing at all.


 No.11175

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>>11163

>proto GERMans were literally running around in loincloths throwing spears at animals

You act like this is a negative thing. The primitive life is the most natural and most conductive to human happiness. Primitivism is the true way of our ancestors. This is why I said in >>11155 :

<All of history is heading in one direction, seemingly away from the great, natural and primitive past towards an inhuman, race-mixed technological hellscape, while in reality this very advancement of technological capacities is the KEY to salvation. Primitivism is the door, advancement is the key. It is not utopian, it is scientific

And allow me to explain for you small-brained Jews... Firstly, it has become clear that primitivism is the best system for the Aryan and lower races. The anprim is limited though – he is a utopian anprim, just as the Jew Marx distinguished between utopian socialism and scientific socialism. My revelation is the discovery of scientific primitivism, the science of what is to come. The era that shall bring mankind to primitivsm, the best and most natural of human lifestyles, the lifestyle of an uncountable number of our ancestors. The secret to the future scientific primitivist society is through TECHNOLOGY! To achieve the most beneficial human lifestyle (i.e. that without technology) is through technology itself, technology far beyond our further capabilities. We, in the future through our ancestors, must prepare for the construction of God – a real God. God does not exist, but Reason compels us to construct him for our own means. We shall become alien to our end and it will oppose as an alien force. It is come from us, but is not us.

This man-built God shall be filled with the soul of the Chosen, raised from birth to fill his divine mission of instituting the greatest form of human existence – primitive. They are a true ghost in a machine (mind body dualism is reality). The God, through cybernetic interface with each and every man, woman and child, shall proceed to cleanse the world of technology and direct Mankind towards its ideal ends. Eden shall be reborn.

The question of transgressors against the future established order is simply answered with the assertion that if the cybernetic interface with God’s mind is somehow overcome, God shall eliminate he who attempts to innovate beyond the primitive stage to ensure Harmony of mankind with nature.


 No.11178

>>11175

>You act like this is a negative thing. The primitive life is the most natural and most conductive to human happiness. Primitivism is the true way of our ancestors. This is why I said in

There is no inherent goodness in "nature" and the "natural" and just because people did it 2000 years ago Dosent mean you should do it

The modern world for all its faults does have the highest standard of living for most of mankind in history

The idea that intentionally devolving to primitive living will result in some increase in wellbeing is foolish

<TLDR

Stop huffing paint


 No.11181

>>11178

The natural is good. If you listened you’d know all of this and beyond

>The idea that intentionally devolving to primitive living will result in some increase in wellbeing is foolish

It is not devolution, but evolution. Enforcement of the ideal


 No.11182

>>11155

It's funny, there is no difference at all whether this is a high effort shitpost by a deep-cover troll or something an actual, deranged /pol/ack could've written.

Protip: When you seriously think every cultural and socio-economic malaise is being caused by DA JOOOS and you blood is talking to you, it's really time to stop and get off the computer.

Or you're a Chapo goon on 28 layers of irony parodying a deranged NEETSoc, in which case it doesn't matter.


 No.11185

>>11182

>Protip: When you seriously think every cultural and socio-economic malaise is being caused by DA JOOOS and you blood is talking to you, it's really time to stop and get off the computer.

Just get off the computer, goy, you’re just mentally ill, goy. Your blood isn’t really a genetic link to your ancestors, goy. It’s all so tiring. I know what the truth is, for I have heard and seen it. Time and time again I have suggested that you faggots attempt to link with your ancestors so YOU can see and approach this issue from the standpoint of Aryan blood-nexus. This is the only way to get proof, within YOU, not from my mere words, as truth-filled as they may be. The main problems in modern society are 1) the technology problem, 2) the Jewish problem, 3) the race-struggle. Many of these are interlinked and intertwined into the Modern Malaise as we see it and live it today. Jews have an EXTREMELY disproportionate influence in all fields culture as I have proven again and again ITT, the technology problem is linked with the Jews and materialism in general and leads to our enslavement, unhappiness and increasingly unnatural lives. The race problem is also linked to Jews in obvious ways. These are other human SPECIES in direct competition with the Aryan species. Take off the blinders.

The causes and symptoms of the Malaise must be removed by 1) reconnecting with the Aryan’s collective genetic memory. I am merely one of a handful of Reconnected but soon all Aryans will follow. 2) removal of the Jews and inferior races and 3) natural development of Aryan capacities and the cultivating of a racial stock in order to elevate one chosen soul to the level of God to eternally solve the technology problem and accept its benevolence over the entire Earth. All signs lead this way and will be so by 2532 AD.

>Or you're a Chapo goon on 28 layers of irony parodying a deranged NEETSoc, in which case it doesn't matter.

I am not a NEET, nice strawman. I work more than any of you Marxist goons and spread this revelation to customers and coworkers alike. You patronize the proletariat yet do not work uourself, jew.


 No.11189

This thread has descended from discussion to shitposting to mystic schizophrenia


 No.11205

>>11189

That's all this thread IS

It basically solely exists as a containment for this tard

>>11185

Real life physics and science Dosent work like Assasins creed dude

I'll say this one more time

There is literally no scientific way for you to "link" with your ancestral relatives with the "power" of your blood.

>I work more than any of you Marxist goons and spread this revelation to customers and coworkers alike. You patronize the proletariat yet do not work uourself, jew.

No you don't if you did you would be in a mental hospital already


 No.11209

>>11205

>It basically solely exists as a containment for this tard

Be thankful to me that I am benevolent enough to remain in this thread, for I could easily make my presence fealt to such an extent that every inch of your monitor would be dedicated to my posts on Truth.

>Real life physics and science Dosent work like Assasins creed dude

O mighty one, please give me thy infinite knowledge, mere human, on the inner workings of the Universe. The arrogance of our species astounds me. You think you are so smart because the Jews have filled your head with a few interesting facts (which are oftentimes not facts at all but lies). Preternatural phonemena are everywhere, only if you just look and open your Mind to it.

>There is literally no scientific way for you to "link" with your ancestral relatives with the "power" of your blood.

No (((scientific way)))? There is a way though, this information is genetically coded into our DNA from birth. Instinctually, their voices bubble up from the void. They are me and I am them. This is conversation with the blood. The blood holds the key. Race mixing dilutes this blood with that of lower species of Man. The blood holds power and knowledge beyond the greatest libraries on this planet. Within you is the knowledge and lived experience of millions of your ancestors and you arrogantly discard this for the hubris of science! The audacity! The complaints of kikes for trauma over the Holocaust despite never having been present at those camps – inherited trauma – is proof of genetic memory existing, though in a non-Aryan strain of Humanity. Can’t disprove that, unless you want to appear anti-Semitic.

>No you don't if you did you would be in a mental hospital already

Even my simplest assertions are twisted in lies? Am I even real myself? I don’t even know anymore after reading this thread. Of course you can’t come straight out and enlighten them on the power of Blood but one can easily spread knowledge of the ways of the ancestors and serve as a Catylst for further self-revelation among Aryans whom I interact with face-to-face in public. Like a seed planted it will grow. Das Wort is all-powerful and I attest that your mind-seed would soon germinate if you heard my persuasiveness firsthand.


 No.11214

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>>11209

>Blood with a capital B

>muh ancestors are speaking with me

>Aryan blood-nexus

>It's da jews Xd

>mind-seed

The only thing you are mate is spooked beyond belief.

Is this the power of mutt brain degradation?


 No.11223

>>11214

>The only thing you are mate is spooked beyond belief.

Not beyond belief, “spooks” are real and tangible thought-constructs which exist beyond human beings

>Is this the power of mutt brain degradation

It is the power of Aryan brain elevation. If you are an Aryan I hope you will soon follow me


 No.11229

>>11209

>No (((scientific way)))? There is a way though, this information is genetically coded into our DNA from birth. Instinctually, their voices bubble up from the void. They are me and I am them. This is conversation with the blood. The blood holds the key. Race mixing dilutes this blood with that of lower species of Man. The blood holds power and knowledge beyond the greatest libraries on this planet. Within you is the knowledge and lived experience of millions of your ancestors and you arrogantly discard this for the hubris of science! The audacity

Yeah but where's da Proofs? :D:D:D

Prove to me that your Blood contains codes that allow you communicate with the ghosts of your ancestors or some shit?

>The complaints of kikes for trauma over the Holocaust despite never having been present at those camps – inherited trauma – is proof of genetic memory existing, though in a non-Aryan strain of Humanity. Can’t disprove that, unless you want to appear anti-Semitic.

I don't think I've ever heard a Jew say they experienced the holocaust just because their granddad did or some shit

But if they do yes that's just as retarded as what your saying

>Das Wort

It's time to stop LARPing American

>is all-powerful and I attest that your mind-seed would soon germinate if you heard my persuasiveness firsthand.

Your not very persuasive

Evidence : this entire thread


 No.11232

>>11229

The proof is available through a simple googling kike faggot

EVEN KIKES BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF THE BLOOD BUT THIS KNOWLEDGE IS KEPT FROM THE GOYIM

https://www.timesofisrael.com/holocaust-trauma-can-be-inherited-study-finds/


 No.11239

>>11232

>believing obvious jewish propaganda

Nice


 No.11240

>>11239

>propaganda

Lol, nice fag. You’re not even in contact with your roots so you don’t know the Truth which flows within. Everyone knows the Holocaust happened and only Jew-funded (((neo-Nazis))) deny the greatest act of the Third Reich – the Holocaust. A deed so great their ancestors will sing through the blood for centuries of Hitler’s deeds. Jew funded neo-Nazis want to turn the Third Reich into an innocent, kike-accomodating cuckstate while in reality they were physically removed by force.

Jews are not always wrong, but they often are. Listen and you shall hear


 No.11241

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>>11232

Yeah well he's retarded just like you

>>11240

Friendly reminder that BAZED hitler literally allowed Muh Joo Rothschild Bankers to live and continued to accept loans from them while massacaring a bunch of Belarusian Farmers

>Lol, nice fag. You’re not even in contact with your roots so you don’t know the Truth which flows within. Everyone knows the Holocaust happened and only Jew-funded (((neo-Nazis))) deny the greatest act of the Third Reich – the Holocaust.

<No real Nazism

Also GERMans got BTFO in WW2 so I doubt that Odin whoever was smiling down on them

What's your opinion on the DDR by the way schizoid?

Were they not real Aryans or some shit?


 No.11243

>>11241

>Friendly reminder that BAZED hitler literally allowed Muh Joo Rothschild Bankers to live and continued to accept loans from them while massacaring a bunch of Belarusian Farmers

Nice lie. You know that the entirety of history has been systematically distorted to elevate the Jew while denigrating the great men of history? These were among the first things conveyed to me. All lies, you’d be stunned on what they have made up and lied about. I had always considered the Aryan as an “Other” in comparison with the lower races until I learned of the mixture of human and Neanderthal to create the demi-Neanderthal Aryan we see continuing today. And neanderthals themselves...discovered in Neander – gematria 175 “Elder God”.

>No real Nazism

Real Nazism existed from the 1920s to 1945. Everyone afterwards have been cuckolds to the Jew in all but rhetoric. The Jews were cleansed, though not well enough. Like parasites they are hard to expirtate from the national organism and planet as a whole. The (((Neo-Nazis))) reject divine Truth and have not Reconnected themselves, realized the Truth of scientific primitivism and the utopia to come, among other issues. I am the first of several to realize this and in time the Gospel shall spread.

>Also GERMans got BTFO in WW2 so I doubt that Odin whoever was smiling down on them

Odin is not real. Remember the Truth: gods are not real but Reason compels us to construct God (hence scientific primitivsm). The Germans who died will be eternally remembered and shall convey to their children today and into the future their flaws in their methodology.

>What's your opinion on the DDR by the way schizoid?

Firstly, you assume I am mentally ill again – something this thread has disproved time and time again. The obvious answer to this is that the Bolshevik Jews were victorious and enslaved the Germans in the East while the finance Jews retook over the West.

>Were they not real Aryans

One can become spiritually Jewish and uprooted while remaining genetically an Aryan. Obviously there were those remaining in Tune


 No.11247

>>11243

>Nice lie.

Nope completely true Hitler continued to take out massive loans with the MEFO bill program to finance his rearmament

>Real Nazism existed from the 1920s to 1945. Everyone afterwards have been cuckolds to the Jew in all but rhetoric. The Jews were cleansed, though not well enough. Like parasites they are hard to expirtate from the national organism and planet as a whole. The (((Neo-Nazis))) reject divine Truth and have not Reconnected themselves, realized the Truth of scientific primitivism and the utopia to come, among other issues. I am the first of several to realize this and in time the Gospel shall spread.

<Their not real Nazi's cuz their not Schizophrenic like i am

I dont think even hitler believed in this tier of bullshit you believe in

>Odin is not real. Remember the Truth: gods are not real but Reason compels us to construct God (hence scientific primitivsm).

No it dosent

How does "reason" make us want to create an infallible being?

>The obvious answer to this is that the Bolshevik Jews were victorious and enslaved the Germans in the East

How was the population of the DDR enslaved?

>One can become spiritually Jewish and uprooted while remaining genetically an Aryan.

Genetic Aryans dont exist as the term is malleable as fuck

Hitler for instance claimed that slavs werent Aryan then changed his mind and said Croats Bulgars and Slovaks were

Tibetans Iranians and Indians also became Aryan when he realized they could be useful to the war effort


 No.11254

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>>11247

>Nope completely true Hitler continued to take out massive loans with the MEFO bill program to finance his rearmament

<no proof

Nice try, Jew. It was real in my mind.

>I dont think even hitler believed in this tier of bullshit you believe in

Of course he did, he knew how to Realpolitik though and kept it on the down-low. Read Mein Kampf and you will see many claims about the spirit of the Aryan, Providence, etc. Hitler was the same as me (his voice is among the chorus now)

>No it dosent

>How does "reason" make us want to create an infallible being?

Yes it does. The river of history is flowing in one direction towards a great apex in humanity’s technology capacity. This apex is the infallible being – God. It is beyond our will to choose yet nevertheless we will reach it in time. Thenceforth begins biomechanical apotheosis. It’s body shall be artificial and the product of awakened Mankind but its soul shall come from among the perfected masses. By then our technology will be ubiquitous and partially integrated with the human body – we shall all be connected and conversing among ourselves from mind to mind. Disorder. With biomechanical apotheosis God will take the reigns and network our minds, place it on the metaphorical rails and harmonize humanity, remove the transgressors of divine order and institute utopian primitivism. Collective mankind will quite literally be tuned like a musical instrument

>How was the population of the DDR enslaved?

They were conquered in war, their women raped and a Jewish regime was pushed upon the German people against their will and they were brainwashed out of their Völkisch spirit. Blissful slavery

>Genetic Aryans dont exist as the term is malleable as fuck

False

>Hitler for instance claimed that slavs werent Aryan then changed his mind and said Croats Bulgars and Slovaks were Tibetans Iranians and Indians also became Aryan when he realized they could be useful to the war effort

Slavs are a partially mongolized race, only semi-Aryan in character but they are fallen. Most Iranians and Indians (especially northern) have Aryan roots. Hitler, again, was right.


 No.11258

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 No.11261

>>11256

>>11254

I know /pol/ are anime Nazis but they really need to stop basing their political beliefs of Evangelion


 No.11493

>>10230

Kerensky wasn't jew, his father was russian, mother german

The "jewishness" of Kerensky is also one of the myths made by Black hundreds


 No.11494

>>11493

Yes, that's the point made by the author of the article, hence why he wrote:

>Indeed, the Provisional Government was frequently labelled by antisemites as ‘Jewish’, despite the fact that there were no Jews in the government. One arresting illustration of the extraordinary degree to which antisemitism could take flight from reality is captured when Kerensky, leaving the Winter Palace by car on the night of the Bolshevik insurrection, noticed that someone had painted in huge letters across the palace wall: ‘Down with the Jew Kerensky, Long Live Trotsky!’


 No.12832

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>>11494

>‘Down with the Jew Kerensky, Long Live Trotsky!’

lmao

btw what's with all this "stalin wuz some secret nazbol" shit? not even a tankie, but is this actually accurate or crap?


 No.12834

>>12832

He did develop the idea of socialism in one country and isolated the USSR, so there's that.


 No.12836

>>12832

>but is this actually accurate or crap?

It's crap. The Soviets were against all forms of fascism. Fascists who praised Stalin (like Konstantin Rodzaevsky) were treated no differently by Soviet authorities than the Nazis.

>>12834

Stalin regarded the building of socialism in one country as part of the world struggle for socialism, precisely because the USSR was the world's only socialist country at the time and its existence inspired and assisted the workers of other countries to follow its example.

Also Stalin didn't "isolate" the USSR. Even during the campaign against cosmopolitanism (i.e. viewing Western culture as superior and the culture of the Soviet peoples as inferior), Soviet citizens weren't isolated. For instance, Andrew Rothstein pointed out (in "Peaceful Coexistence," 1955, pp. 181-182):

>>It is perhaps a quaint comment on the widespread idea that the assertion of personality and its value is utterly foreign to Soviet principles that Shakespeare's sonnets, published in a new translation some years ago, sold out instantly in 50,000 copies, and had to be reprinted on an equal scale, while the poems of Robert Burns sold out in a cheap, beautifully printed pocket edition of over 100,000 copies. . . In reply to the performances of Soviet artistes in Western Europe, the Comedie Francaise has had a short season in Moscow, a famous Greek singer has given a series of concerts in the U.S.S.R., the Indian national dance group has enthralled Soviet audiences, and some English musicians have performed at concerts and for Soviet television. Yet not a single British Shakespearean actor or theatre has interpreted to Soviet people the great heritage which the latter think of first when one mentions English culture. Indeed, the plays of Shakespeare, even more than those of Sheridan, Bernard Shaw, and Oscar Wilde, are a constant part of the repertoire in Soviet theatres - not only Russian, but in the languages of the remotest and smallest peoples. A British delegation, of which the writer was one, which saw Othello in the capital and the native language of the Ossetians, a small people of 400,000 in the Northern Caucasus, will never forget the great power and emotion with which it was rendered.


 No.12891

Can a Torfriend post here comrade? I doubt it. Prove me wrong.


 No.12892

>>12891

What do you mean by Torfriend?

As long as someone isn't spamming or being an obvious troll, they can post in this thread.


 No.12894

>12891

Holy shit proved wrong, I'm impressed.


 No.12895

All of the leaders who lead the November revolution were jewish.


 No.12897

>>12895

Not a difficult feat considering that "the leaders of the revolution" = one or two persons (Lenin and Trotsky.)

If by "leaders of the revolution" you mean all those who helped make the seizure of power possible then that obviously isn't true. Antonov-Ovseenko, Dzerzhinsky, Bubnov, Podvoisky, Dybenko, Stalin, Avanesov, Krylenko, etc. were not Jews.

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 No.12906

>>12895

You also fail to consider that oppressed minorities will likely support a political movement that preaches egalitarianism. They were pogromed all the time during the Tsar, so they had little reason to be loyal to the tsarist regime. That a lot of Jews were communists isn't really strange at all, if you just fucking think about it for more than a second.

inb4 "muh ZOG"


 No.12907

>>12906

In addition, the Bolsheviks actually had little presence among the Jews as such. Hence why a year after the revolution, Dimanshtein (in charge of the Bolsheviks' propaganda activities among Jews) said,

>When we Jewish Communists working in the general party organization saw how isolated the Jewish masses were from the Russian workers, when we saw that all the Jewish socialist parties held the Jewish workers back and prevented them from taking an active part in the proletarian revolution, we decided that something had to be done about it. But, I have to say this unequivocally, those who undertook this work were not familiar with the Jewish workers' life, and some could not even speak Yiddish.

His associate in propaganda work, Agurskii, likewise noted:

>Bolshevik literature in Yiddish that could have been reprinted immediately, did not exist. . . . Consequently, translations had to be made from the Russian. But even translators were hard to come by. Everybody had so much work to do that you did not know where to start. We had to look for Jewish writers willing to do the job for a substantial fee. But no money on earth could produce a Jewish writer willing to translate Bolshevik literature.

(both quotes are from Solomon M. Schwarz, The Jews in the Soviet Union, 1951, p. 94.)

Russian historian Dimitri Volkogonov also noted that Kerensky's émigré journal was financed by a Jewish woman and that he had great support among Russian Jews abroad due to the Provisional Government's April 1917 decree abolishing restrictions on Jews.


 No.12912

>>12897

Its once again worth pointing out btw that Lenin (Using the NSDAP's "Racial Science" standards of ethnicity) literally can't be considered Jewish


 No.13213

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>>13210

Funny how your response was nothing more than ad hominem and faux-outrage. Arguments remain unaddressed :^) Not that I expect arguments from Communists or Jews, Hitler had a great section of Mein Kampf where he explained in perfect detail the arguing-tactics of kikes and their judaized pawns


 No.13214

>>13213

You don't deserve anything more than that, retard.


 No.13215

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>13214

So you’re physically impossible of arguing back and can’t pull yourself out of your apoplectic rage to type anything coherent, good to know.

DOTR is coming. This is the end-result of multiculturalism and racial struggle


 No.13216

>>13215

No, I'm simply not interested in arguing with you, in the first place, about your psychotic delusions. I'm not going to pretend your paint-huffing fever dreams are anything else. As far as I'm concerned personally, you don't deserve to be argued with, you deserve to be shot and forgotten. That's as simple as it is, really. Now, if you want to argue with someone else, that's between you and them. Scroll up, there are plenty of people who have engaged with your kind. But I suspect you aren't here for a good faith discussion.


 No.13217

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>>13216

>your psychotic delusions.

Subjective

>your paint-huffing fever dreams

Subjective

>you don't deserve to be argued with, you deserve to be shot and forgotten.

<when Nazis have such water-tight reasoning and arguments Marxists have to kill them before the goyim wake up

I think your posts ITT and others have made it painfully obvious that you are nothing more than an emotionally stunted rootless urbanite who is mad on the Internet because an Aryan got sick of your Jewish bullshit and took matters into his own hands

>muh poor brown people

>y-you sh-should be k-killed!

Marxists are snakes


 No.13219

>>13217

If you say so. You are literally nothing more than a psychotic schizophreniac.


 No.13221

>>13219

>argument: not found


 No.13222

>>13217

You haven't the slightest idea what Marxism is.


 No.13223

>>13222

It’s Judaism applied to the political sphere


 No.13224

>>13223

You can't even answer without invoking memes from your sentimental roleplay. I know this whole thing has got you pumped up, but this is why no one here takes you seriously.


 No.13225

>>13224

There was no memes, that is fundamentally what Marxism is


 No.13241

File: f99561aed55ed74⋯.png (489.83 KB, 680x798, 340:399, 1552724683-528-496.png)

What did he mean by this?


 No.13248

>>13241

Lassalle was a big fan of physiognomy, so Marx was mocking Lassalle's "features" as an explanation for why he was an idiot.

In other words he made a crude joke to his friend that doesn't reflect his actual activities, e.g. advocating for the equal rights of Jews, or opposing the enslavement of Blacks and writing in the introduction to the program of the French Workers' Party "that emancipation of the class of producers is emancipation of all mankind, irrespective of race or sex."

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 No.13249

>>13223

I don't see how Marxism can be Judaism applied to a political sphere when Marx himself and pretty much all Marxists that came after him including ethnic Jews renounced the idea of political Judaism or Politisized religion in general


 No.13255

>>13249

>taking the actions and words of Marxists at face value

You fundamentally understand how Marxism works. The concepts of Tikkun Olam when compared with Marxism will make this clear. The goal of Marxism is to grind the individual personality into dust, strip it of all value and then destroy everything that binds one individual to another -- race, culture, family, language, nations. The Jews, being the driving force behind every communist movement ever** lead the ignorant and enraged masses in what they think is their best interests. The Jews inflame the passions of the masses through their ownership of the media and powers of money to make the political parties push a pro-Jewish line. Whichever line ultimately succeeds the Jew will be victorious without Aryan uprising. Through Marxism the Jewish intellectuals position themselves on the top of a given society and construct "theory" by drawing from the teachings of the Talmud and other Jewish books. The Jewish intellectual is the Marxist personified

**inb4 but muh nigger revolutions in Africa

The niggers were funded by Soviet Jews to destroy white colonies


 No.13256

>>13255

>>taking the actions and words of Marxists at face value

Well...yes? If someone supports an idea and takes actions that line up with those ideas it generally means they support those ideas

>Tikkum Okum

I'm not a theologist so I'm not exactly sure what "Tikkum Okum" Is (I've just briefly looked it up now and it's some Jewish mysticism shit that was used to justify Zionism / some other shit)

Could you explain to me what that has to do with a Materialist analysis of economic conditions under capitalism? (Marxism)

>The goal of Marxism is to grind the individual personality into dust

One of the stated "goals" of Marxism is to allow for the full development of the person as an individual

>Race language culture nations etc

I don't think any Marxist or Marxist state denies that these concepts exist

>The Jews inflame the passions of the masses through their ownership of the media and powers of money to make the political parties push a pro-Jewish line.

If by "Jewish" you're talking about Marxist political parties then I don't see how they "owned the media" and the idea that they held "the powers of money" is frankly laughable for obvious reasons

>Through Marxism the Jewish intellectuals position themselves on the top of a given society and construct "theory" by drawing from the teachings of the Talmud and other Jewish books. The Jewish intellectual is the Marxist personified

No evidence of this exists

Various ethnic Jews have been within Marxist Goverments but no evidence exists that they have held disproportionate amounts of power

Also the idea that Marxist economic and political theory is from the Talmud or some nonsense is laughable as for the aforementioned reasons of Marxists rejecting politicised religion

>African Marxism / Socialism

Though the soviets (Rightly) supported the end of Colonialism in Africa several Marxist revolutions took place in nations already freed from "White rule" (Benin Somalia Burkina Faso and Ethiopia serve as the best examples as all three were subject to Marxist coups against black majority Goverments)


 No.13261

>>13256

>Well...yes? If someone supports an idea and takes actions that line up with those ideas it generally means they support those ideas

Marxists are serial liars and swindlers. You'd have to be blind to fail to see the human-suffering that communism caused. They sweep you up in the rhetoric of "triumphing the oppressed masses" and promise you a newer order to come -- but only if you trash and destroy humanity cherishes and which distinguishes us from animals.

>I'm not a theologist so I'm not exactly sure what "Tikkum Okum" Is (I've just briefly looked it up now and it's some Jewish mysticism shit that was used to justify Zionism / some other shit)

It's the Jewish imperative to (((improve the world))) and that they, as the Chosen People alone are responsible for creating the model society and the welfare of society at large. The Jews see themselves as a Master-race with this role, hence the mutual struggle between Aryans and the Jewish world-state

>One of the stated "goals" of Marxism is to allow for the full development of the person as an individual

Again, what they tell you means shit. Look at it in practice. The state took over as the sole employer, the role of the brutalized masses was placed as the centerpiece and all development was placed in the reigns of the Jewish clique at the top. Individual development? What if you were religious? What if you wanted to rise above your menial position as a worker? NOPE. National Socialism promises full meritocracy for one's own ethnic comrades, it preserves the Aristocratic Principle of Nature.

>If by "Jewish" you're talking about Marxist political parties then I don't see how they "owned the media" and the idea that they held "the powers of money" is frankly laughable for obvious reasons

Marxists = Jews = Capitalists. The play both sides, both are traitors to the nation and race. It appears that the opposition is diverse and many-headed except for that it culminates in the Elders of Zion.

>Various ethnic Jews have been within Marxist Goverments but no evidence exists that they have held disproportionate amounts of power

The disproportionate amount of Jews and Jewish policies adhered to tell you everything you need to know. Jews were crawling in the Soviet Government and in almost every communist movement.

>Also the idea that Marxist economic and political theory is from the Talmud or some nonsense is laughable as for the aforementioned reasons of Marxists rejecting politicised religion

Marxism is politicized religion operating off Jewish ethnoreligious principles. Marxist theory is inseparable from Halakha and Talmudic teachings.

>Though the soviets (Rightly) supported the end of Colonialism in Africa several Marxist revolutions took place in nations already freed from "White rule" (Benin Somalia Burkina Faso and Ethiopia serve as the best examples as all three were subject to Marxist coups against black majority Goverments)

And even if so, they were still backed by the World-Jew. Black governments resisting the World-Jew would be overthrown by Jewish-backed communist insurgents. There was nothing wrong with colonialism. An inferior race was conquered and African land was developed for the first time in service of the conquerors. The whites left and Africa fell even further down the toilet. It's basically fallow land at this point that needs recolonized, even more settler colonialism truthfully. That a so-called scientific socialist would descend into moralizing about colonialism shows that Tikkun Olam is at work and not "science" as Jews like to claim. History as a struggle for survival is the true truth of this world.


 No.13262

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>>13261

>World-jew

👌😂👌😂👌😂👌😂


 No.13263

>>13262

i.e. the Jewish state (for the whole of Jewry, not Israel). The first cause of state-formation is the preservation and organization of the species. The Jewish state is, unlike most others, not spatially limited in regards to space but strictly limited only to Jews racially. This is why the Jews always form a state within a state, They masquerade as a religion -- their greatest trick of all


 No.13264

>>13263

I'm supposed to take this seriously?


 No.13265

>>13261

>Marxists are serial liars and swindlers. You'd have to be blind to fail to see the human-suffering that communism caused. They sweep you up in the rhetoric of "triumphing the oppressed masses" and promise you a newer order to come -- but only if you trash and destroy humanity cherishes and which distinguishes us from animals.

The idea that Communism "Causes human suffering" is mainly a subjective opinion

As is the idea that Marxists somehow support "De-Humanisation" of people

>It's the Jewish imperative to (((improve the world))) and that they, as the Chosen People alone are responsible for creating the model society and the welfare of society at large. The Jews see themselves as a Master-race with this role, hence the mutual struggle between Aryans and the Jewish world-state

So just as I thought this has nothing to do with Marxism? (A scientific critique of the capitalist mode of production built upon Materialism)

>Again, what they tell you means shit. Look at it in practice. The state took over as the sole employer, the role of the brutalized masses was placed as the centerpiece and all development was placed in the reigns of the Jewish clique at the top. Individual development? What if you were religious? What if you wanted to rise above your menial position as a worker? NOPE. National Socialism promises full meritocracy for one's own ethnic comrades, it preserves the Aristocratic Principle of Nature.

Emancipation from religion and workers control of the means of production (What has been implemented / what shall be implemented in socialist stars) Dosent stifle the development of the individual

While "National-Socialism" (See: Authoritarian Capitalist economy) does through its paving over of class conflicts

Also still waiting for evidence of "Muh Jewish Commie clique"

>Marxists = Jews = Capitalists. The play both sides, both are traitors to the nation and race. It appears that the opposition is diverse and many-headed except for that it culminates in the Elders of Zion.

<People that want to abolish the current economic model and replace it and people that want to maintain it are the same because umm Jews?

Lmao

>The disproportionate amount of Jews and Jewish policies adhered to tell you everything you need to know. Jews were crawling in the Soviet Government and in almost every communist movement.

As has been stated literally thousands of times the exact same arguements could be made for people from the Baltic states / Georgia etc

Jews held no special privledge in the USSR's goverment and Jewish individuals (Most prominently Trotsky) could still be reprimanded and removed from their posts for poor behaviour or conduct

>Marxism is politicized religion operating off Jewish ethnoreligious principles. Marxist theory is inseparable from Halakha and Talmudic teachings.

Explain how

As stated Marxists haste historically rejected all forms of politicised religion as a tool of reaction including Judaism

Ultra-Orthodox schools of Judaism and even more subtle forms hat were simply anti-Marxist were effectivly outlawed during the USSR in Russia

Same with the Orthodox Church and radical schools of Islamic doctrine

>And even if so, they were still backed by the World-Jew. Black governments resisting the World-Jew would be overthrown by Jewish-backed communist insurgents. There was nothing wrong with colonialism. An inferior race was conquered and African land was developed for the first time in service of the conquerors. The whites left and Africa fell even further down the toilet. It's basically fallow land at this point that needs recolonized, even more settler colonialism truthfully. That a so-called scientific socialist would descend into moralizing about colonialism shows that Tikkun Olam is at work and not "science" as Jews like to claim. History as a struggle for survival is the true truth of this world.

You realize that Apartheid Era RSA and Southern Rhodesia were literally allied with Israel and the three countries modelled their racial segregation policies off of each other right

Also I'm not sure how "African leaders that opposed Jews" were overthrown considering that most Right-Wing dictatorships in Africa were pretty much completely loyal to the US / France / NATO etc


 No.13267

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>>13264

No one should take your Jewish death-cult seriously after it’s track record of enslavement and death


 No.13268

>>13267

Reading you is like listening to a broken record. Seek help since whatever mental illness you have isn't going to fix itself.


 No.13269

The Soviet Union was the closest thing to the high trust moral society lacking in degeneracy that imageboard fascists dream of. Really makes you think.

https://vimeo.com/316684307

https://vimeo.com/316821908

https://mega.nz/#!eOoExYIa!oiTri5hcQN33vXBNwYRGlfCGQhN-Fhu5XtI9jpTPkYM

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 No.13273

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>>13268

>yur mentally ill!

Always the same with you leftyfaggots. Arguments are never addressed, only ad hominems are flung back in response.


 No.13274

>>13273

I addressed your "Arguements"

Respond


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 No.13279

>>13273

Not an arguement.


 No.13281

>>13273

You disregard every point and argument as "Jewish". There's no discussion to be had. Anything you don't like, or are unable to understand, or reason with is simply "Judaic". There's no coherent arguments. You can't even grasp dialectical materialism. Marxism is not a social or economic theory, it is a lens through which one can examine human interaction and class struggle, it is not an answer unto itself, simply a methodology.

There was no point in any of you coming here. It's embarrassing to watch. Enjoy promoting the dictatorship of capital and wondering why your life is meaningless without without imageboard memes and video games.


 No.13284

>>13281

I don’t speak Hebrew, sorry


 No.13285

>>13273

>Always the same

Yes, because you are literally mentally ill. So of course it is always the same. Any normal person who looks at you recognizes your raving for what it is: the rantings of someone who is mentally ill. Have you considered if you're always running into the same reaction that you yourself might be deluded? You know what they say: if you meet assholes all day, maybe you're the asshole. Please understand that the ravings of a crack-addicted poor soul in one of your American "public spaces" has as much legitimacy in the eyes of people as your delusions. This is why you are roundly rejected by everyone outside of your image-boards and whatnot. There is no "Jewish cabal" warping people into disliking you or disregarding you, you are doing this yourself. You posted a video of an innocent woman, already severely injured, begging for her life being shot in the back of the head. Is there really no part of you that understands that something is fundamentally wrong with you? I know this is hard to understand, you are mentally ill, you have no grasp of reality. I'm sure that your psychotic delusions feel very real to you, I understand and sympathize with that. But you need to come to terms with what I am saying and get help. I know this can be very hard, but admitting to yourself that maybe something is wrong is the first step. And no one will think less of you for it, admitting fault is not a weakness, but a strength. I say this to you not as a communist, but as man to another man, as a human to a human.


 No.13307

>>13285

>>13281

The fact that you reduce all of anon’s arguments into “mental illness” shows how influenced your thought is by Jewish thinking. Let’s quote the great Codreanu:

>The definition of anti-Semitism - according to Jews and those judaized - is, then, summed up in these two words, savagery and madness, naturally, of the 'anti-Semites.' As for the Jews as a social phenomenon, they do not even enter into this 'explanation.' As if they did not exist. It was this savagery and madness that compelled all peoples of all time, Egyptians, Persians, Romans, Arabs, as well as the modern nations up to this day, to consider Jews as a national menace and take measures against them.

>It was this savagery and madness which darkened the understanding of the most prominent representatives of the culture of all nations, such as Cicero, Seneca, Tacitus, Mohamed, Martin Luther, Giordano Bruno, Frederick the Great, Voltaire, Josef II, Napoleon I, Goethe, Herder, Immanuel Kant, Fichte, Schopenhauer, Charles Fournier, Ludwig Feuerbach, Richard Wagner, Bismarck, Rudolf Virchow, Theodor Billroth, Eugen Dfihring-and countless others in all fields to come out against the Jews

>Savage and mad: all these, Civilized and well-behaved: those judaized, And the Jews: nonexistent, and venality of those Judaized is incapable of explaining anti-Semitism as a social phenomenon, we will call it the anti-Semitic theory.


 No.13309

>>13307

>Mental health is a JEWISH PLOT!

It's absolutely hilarious to hear you talk about having your "arguments" (read: your psychotic ravings about da jooz) reduced to "mental illness" while your kind reduces all arguments levied against you to "Jewish cabals" and "rootless golems" and such. That is precisely why you should be roundly rejected as mentally ill. When people engage with your kind in good faith, which I do not think they should, but to each his own, they proceed to roundly reduce your arguments to ash, unsurprisingly since those "arguments" are nothing more than psychotic ravings about "da jooz" and being influenced by "da jooz", and how everyone who criticizes you is a jew: take your quote for example, it is completely devoid of substance, it is quite literally only rhetoric and feelings. Scroll up and see for yourself, after Ismail's (and other comrades) good faith effort to try to translate your psychotic rhetoric and jpeg info-graphs into something tangible to argue against, the thread Nazi conveniently disappeared, but not before accusing everyone of being jewish golems or some such.

Also, if you cannot understand on your own why you would be roundly dismissed by anyone who isn't mentally deranged for posting videos of begging civilians being slaughtered, I'm not sure what to tell you. You are quite literally mentally ill if you do not understand this. I really don't know what else to tell you. But I suppose the whole world is influenced by da jooz to think that slaughtering innocent civilians begging for their life is sick. You are a retard at best, and a deranged mentally ill lunatic at worst.


 No.13310

>>13307

Codreanu's argument is rather strange, considering that a number of the anti-Semites he mentions (like Voltaire) would be attacked for "Jewish thinking" in other contexts given their role in the Enlightenment or other progressive thought in subsequent periods (like Feuerbach who influenced Marx and in turn ending up joining the SPD, or Charles "Fournier"—presumably Fourier, a utopian socialist whose ideas Marx also drew from.)

Others on that list were exploiters and elitists, e.g. Cicero wrote of "the wretched half-starved commoners who attend mass meetings and suck the blood of the treasury," and wrote positively of his "army of the rich" and how the state benefits men of fortune (as he felt it should.) Bismarck initiated the Kulturkampf, an attempt to divide workers on religious grounds (in that case against Catholicism.) Luther wrote a text titled "Against the Murderous, Thieving Hordes of Peasants" and was unsurprisingly on the side of the princes against them. Anti-Semitism served their class interests.

There's also a distinction between simply being prejudiced against Jews (as many of those Codreanu lists were) and those who saw Jews as secret rulers of the world and otherwise worthy of extermination (as the Nazis and his own group believed.) Napoleon was certainly an anti-Semite, but his attitude took the form of carrying out emancipatory acts in lands his armies conquered so as to integrate Jews culturally and economically into the bourgeois nation-state.

The issue isn't that smart people haven't been anti-Semites. It's entirely possible to be intelligent and have bad views, whether anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, misogynistic, racist, or whatever. Just like one could cite learned medieval figures who believed in witchcraft or alchemy. That famous people held anti-Semitic views doesn't "prove" anti-Semitism is valid, or that it is a rational way of thinking and its consequences aren't savagery.

Codreanu's own Iron Guard provides a great example of the relationship between anti-Semitism and savagery. See pages 17-19 of the following work: https://archive.org/details/pdfy-YAnJOkt3G0B4uEGh/page/n31

>venality of those Judaized is incapable of explaining anti-Semitism as a social phenomenon

There are numerous books devoted to explaining the social phenomenon of anti-Semitism throughout the ages, including Marxist analyses such as: https://www.marxists.org/subject/jewish/leon/index.htm

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 No.13325

>>13310

>Codreanu's argument is rather strange

While on one hand this may be the result of how heavily I condensed this section of the book and placed together paragraphs that in the original occured further apart. If you want full context go check out Codreanu's book For My Legionaries. It can easily be found online. The ideas of the people that he refers to has no barring on the validity of the argument or whether Codreanu would agree with them or not. All he is saying is that when Jews or judaized gentiles deride antisemitism as simply a form of madness or mentall illness, why do so many people (using these well-known figures of history as examples) naturally fall into antisemitic patterns of thought? Of course this could be brushed aside as a mere appeal to authority, as you attempt to do further on when you said that "Others on that list were exploiters and elitists".

Time and time again throughout history the Jews have established themselves in gentile nations under the guise of just another religion. Inevitably the Jew comes into friction with the host population. The host, in all sections of society, become sick of them and they boot them out. This has happened hundreds of times throughout history. Chapter 11 of Mein Kampf lays out the development of the Jewification of the host societies from the first appearance of the Jew until the apex of this development -- the ninth stage described by Hitler, reached only by Russia and a handful of nations that fell victim to communism, where "the Jew killed or starved thirty millions of the people in a bout of savage fanaticism and resorted to the employment of inhuman torture. He did this so that a gang of Jewish would-be literati and financial bandits should dominate over a great people." (Mein Kampf, Stalag Edition). To cast aside the anti-semitism aroused by the Jews' semitism as a mere capitalist or [INSERT RULING CLASS] plot to keep the "exploited" down is far too simplistic, as are all explanations of racism and sexism that fall into some sort of economic rather than biological explanation. I find it laughable when a leftist claims racism and sexism would magically fade away under socialism, when reality attests to starkly the opposite.

>Codreanu's own Iron Guard provides a great example of the relationship between anti-Semitism and savagery.

But shouldn't we ask why the Jews were hated in Romania in the first place? What would cause these pogroms? Jews had lived in Romania since the Middle Ages but the real Jewish problem began in Romania only during the 18th century, when thousands of Jews began to flood into Romania from Polish Galicia. As everywhere else, the Jews wormed their way into the same occupations as always, banking, trading, exchange and the press. Even proverbs such as "Until he cheats, the Jew does not eat" attest to the rapacity of the Jews in Romania. In fact, economic importance of the Jews in Romania can be seen in how Jews numerically overwhelmed ethnic Romanians in the petty bourgeoisie -- one reason why Codreanu sought to educate a new generation of Christian entrepreneurs to win back the economic positions of Romanians in their own land through starting Legionary business ventures and other shops selling at fair prices. From the time of Alexandru Ion Cuza onward the West began to entangle Romania in its international web, becoming increasingly reliant of foreign investors and importing tons of cheap commodities. (largely sourced from Roland Clark's Holy Legionary Youth)

What actions the Iron Guard allegedly perpetrated against Jews are the natural outcome of different racial / ethnic groups inhabiting the same living-space. They compete, friction results, horrible things happen -- history is the progression of struggle. We saw this in New Zealand on Friday and today in Utrecht. It will continue to get worse until Jews and other non-white minorities are removed.

Also, if you're worried about savagery, look at the millions of deaths the Jewish ideology you preach has caused since its creation over a century ago. This is true savagery, at least Hitler readily acknowledges (agree with him or not) in the Zweites Buch that all of his actions are for the benefit of his ethnic group and no other.

>>13309

Fuck off you disingenuous retard and be more like Ismail if you want to argue. I'm not even gonna read your shitty post. At least Ismail tries to argue in good faith and not like a kvetching Jew and I can respect that. Stop using /leftypol/, it really shows in how you post.


 No.13328

>>13325

>Time and time again throughout history the Jews have established themselves in gentile nations under the guise of just another religion.

If that were the case, there would be no need to enact laws to emancipate them. Jewish settlements and occupations tended to be strictly regulated and Jewish populations lorded over by rabbinical authorities who collaborated with the monarchical government (as I quoted one author here: >>10169 ))

>Inevitably the Jew comes into friction with the host population. The host, in all sections of society, become sick of them and they boot them out.

Expulsions were generally decided at the whims of individuals rather than expressing the wish of whole peoples, and often for reasons where economics was either not stated as a reason or simply wasn't the issue. See numerous examples here: https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/7295lg/antisemitism_is_historically_a_result_of_jewish/

>Chapter 11 of Mein Kampf lays out the development of the Jewification of the host societies from the first appearance of the Jew until the apex of this development -- the ninth stage described by Hitler, reached only by Russia and a handful of nations that fell victim to communism, where "the Jew killed or starved thirty millions of the people in a bout of savage fanaticism and resorted to the employment of inhuman torture. He did this so that a gang of Jewish would-be literati and financial bandits should dominate over a great people." (Mein Kampf, Stalag Edition).

It wasn't "savage fanaticism" that caused famine, it was the invasion of Soviet Russia by the imperialists and their allies. They enacted an economic blockade against the land of soviets which, together with civil war and the destruction wrought by foreign invasion, reduced the population to destitution.

Also, what "financial bandits" dominated over the Russian people following the October Revolution?

In regards to Jews in Romania having "wormed their way into the same occupations as always, banking, trading, exchange and the press," we have the example of the October Revolution where exploiters among the Jews had their property expropriated, without any recourse to appealing to anti-Semitism nor the sort of sadistic measures carried out by Codreanu's followers (who were targeting Jews as a people, not the exploiters among them.)

>What actions the Iron Guard allegedly perpetrated against Jews are the natural outcome of different racial / ethnic groups inhabiting the same living-space.

You cite New Zealand and Utrecht as "proof" of this, but who stoked Islamophobia in the first place? Was it not the imperialists who, as a result of their machinations in the third world creating conditions for the likes of Osama bin Laden to carry out 9/11, made use of that terrorist attack to demonize Muslims and launch a "War on Terror" which included aggression against Afghanistan and Iraq?

Islamophobia did not "naturally" arise. Legions of talking heads on TV and politicians incited it and popularized concepts like the "clash of civilizations." Many of the most vehement Islamophobes, as I'm sure you're aware, are supporters of Zionism (both Jewish and Christian.)

>Also, if you're worried about savagery, look at the millions of deaths the Jewish ideology you preach has caused since its creation over a century ago.

Like what? Capitalism has resulted in two world wars, and one estimate given in another thread actually shows less deaths in the Red Terror than the American Civil War: >>12985

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 No.13330

>>13328

>>13328

>If that were the case, there would be no need to enact laws to emancipate them. Jewish settlements and occupations tended to be strictly regulated and Jewish populations lorded over by rabbinical authorities who collaborated with the monarchical government

Why were Jews "unemancipated" in the first place? Because of their activity within gentile societies. The Jews appear first as the merchant, becoming active in economic life as not a producer, but exclusively as a middleman. Through his activities in this position the Jew is the pre-modern capitalist par excellence. Also introduced by the Jews depending on the society is interest and the usurious rates almost synonymous with Jewish banking. Henceforth as the Jew establishes himself the state within a state forms. The Jews begin to dominate commerce as a monopoly. After this is the point where the Jew cozies up with the monarchies and principalities. They sold their souls to the devil and were traitors. Wherever Jewish bloodsuckers appear restrictions have to be thrown down on them -- preventing them from owning land, preventing them from being citizens, forcing them to wear distinctive forms of clothing to highlight that a parasite walks among them.

>It wasn't "savage fanaticism" that caused famine, it was the invasion of Soviet Russia by the imperialists and their allies: Germany, the United States, Britain, France, Japan, etc.

Everyone knows Russia was a complete shithole during and immediately after WWI but as I'm sure you know these are not the famines and crimes that I'm referring to. Tens of thousands were slaughtered in the Red Terror including priests, peasants and anyone who resisted. There are the deaths caused by the complete disaster of forced collectivization, the several million who died in the early thirties in Ukraine and surrounding areas, and then there are the half a million to a million purged by Stalin. And remember, we're ONLY talking about the USSR. Culture was uprooted and desecrated and before the workers of Russia could understand what they had helped establish the Jews had sunk their claws into the world's largest country which they continued to dominate until the whole rotten structure stagnated and imploded. If we were to shift to China or Cambodia there would be millions of more deaths. (inb4 that wasn't REAL Marxism, it was revisionist ultra-leftist Pol Potism!)

> but who stoked Islamophobia in the first place?

The Western pro-Zionist governments. It is completely their fault that Muslims keep coming over here and blowing themselves up. I understand the rationale. Osama himself knew this and was fundamentally correct in his analysis when he called for Muslims to take arms against America:

< We know at least one reason behind the symbolic participation of the Western forces and that is to support the Jewish and Zionist plans for expansion of what is called the Great Israel. Surely, their presence is not out of concern over their interests in the region. ... Their presence has no meaning save one and that is to offer support to the Jews in Palestine who are in need of their Christian brothers to achieve full control over the Arab Peninsula which they intend to make an important part of the so called Greater Israel. ...

https://web.archive.org/web/19990508145341/http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/interview.html

>Islamophobia did not "naturally" arise. Legions of talking heads on TV and politicians incited it and popularized concepts like the "clash of civilizations." Many of the most vehement Islamophobes, as I'm sure you're aware, are supporters of Zionism (both Jewish and Christian.)

Jews have an interest in stirring up anti-Muslim sentiment, but anti-Muslim sentiment also becomes justified when Muslims come over here to kill us and settle among us. I have no problem with Muslims as long as they stay in their own lands. I wish for the Americans and their Zionists both to leave and for Israel to be destroyed.


 No.13337

>>13330

>Why were Jews "unemancipated" in the first place? Because of their activity within gentile societies.

No, because they were consigned to specific portions of the economy. Hence your earlier claim that "Jews have established themselves in gentile nations under the guise of just another religion" was transposing modern Jews to Jews in the pre-capitalist era where they were kept isolated from the rest of society by by their own religious and political leaders, who acted in league with gentile rulers.

>They sold their souls to the devil and were traitors.

Who were they "betraying" in this case? We're talking about medieval societies, before the rise of nations. Nor, for that matter, can I think of Jews as a group "betraying" bourgeois governments during the 19th and 20th centuries. Even in 1917 Russia, as I've noted earlier in this thread, the Bolsheviks had limited influence among the Jewish community whose representatives supported Kerensky.

>Tens of thousands were slaughtered in the Red Terror including priests, peasants and anyone who resisted.

Peasants were already spontaneously seizing estates and killing landowners in the months preceding the October Revolution. It was precisely because the White armies represented the overthrown nobility and landowners that the peasants adopted at least an attitude of tolerating the Red armies.

The peasants you mention were "slaughtered" for seeking a reversion to Tsarism, where the church was a major landowner and prop of the feudal system.

>There are the deaths caused by the complete disaster of forced collectivization

Forced collectivization caused by the threat of invasion by the imperialist countries. As Stalin noted in 1931, "We are fifty or a hundred years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they will crush us."

Furthermore, collectivization ensured (with the exception of the period right after the Great Patriotic War due to Nazi destruction) that the threat of famine would not occur, a threat (and occurrence) that plagued Russian agriculture under Tsarism.

>then there are the half a million to a million purged by Stalin

Many of these were members of the Communist Party, the very people you are denouncing.

>Culture was uprooted and desecrated

Soviet power brought mass literacy and a population that read more books, engaged in more poetry, etc. than any other. Probably more Soviet citizens were interested in the likes of Shakespeare than their British counterparts. I'd also be interested to know how Soviet culture was "desecrated." In comparison to what?

>the Jews had sunk their claws into the world's largest country which they continued to dominate until the whole rotten structure stagnated and imploded.

How did they "dominate" it?

>inb4 that wasn't REAL Marxism, it was revisionist ultra-leftist Pol Potism!

When every socialist country on the planet, including the Soviet Union and China, pursues policies at direct variance with those pursued in Cambodia, it's up to you to explain how Pol Pot practiced "real Marxism." Not to mention that after being ousted by the Vietnamese communists, the Khmer Rouge renounced talk of Marxism, welcomed Reagan's election, received CIA support, and Pol Pot himself declared before his death that it was "over for communism" and that it was his wish that Cambodia "belong to the West."

You acknowledge that Western governments are the ones responsible for the likes of Al-Qaeda and ISIS (and that these groups gain legitimacy in the eyes of disaffected Muslim youths precisely due to the activities of imperialism and its Israeli allies), but then assert that "Muslims come over here to kill us." That does not logically follow and is exactly the sort of asinine Islamophobic rhetoric used to justify support for imperialism and Zionism.

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 No.13352

What a ride. Someone should compile this into pdf form complete with annotations and narration


 No.13353

>>13255

>niggers were funded by Soviet Jews to destroy white colonies

Couldn't I just as easily conclude that the jews manipulated the whites into building colonies to destroy black culture, and therefore justify rebellion? Your logic makes no sense


 No.13354

>>13353

>Couldn't I just as easily conclude that the jews manipulated the whites into building colonies to destroy black culture, and therefore justify rebellion? Your logic makes no sense

Only if you were retarded. Colonialism was the natural expansion of the living-spaces of various European ethnic groups due to overpopulation and economic reasons. Nice try, kike


 No.13355

>>13354

>economic reasons.

In other words, the development of a world market and rise of capitalism.

The "overpopulation" you refer to was caused by land enclosures and other means by which peasants were turned into proletarians, with a large number of unemployed unable to find work. Another "natural" result of capitalist development.


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>>13355

Obviously due to capitalism. I never claimed that capitalism is some sort of natural state of affairs for humanity. Globalism is the direct result of capitalism and Jewish interests (which are intimately connected with the protypical capitalist throughout history — The Jew.

>>13337

>We're talking about medieval societies, before the rise of nations.

Even if a medieval society lacks an awareness of the concept of a nation or national consciousness the racial / ethnic group still exists.

>Nor, for that matter, can I think of Jews as a group "betraying" bourgeois governments during the 19th and 20th centuries.

I’ve already pointed out the activities of the Jewish people in Romania, not to mention essentially Jewish-Communist uprisings immediately after World War One in Germany and the Jewish government of Hungary under Bela Kun, a Jew who magyarized his name from (((Kohn))) to Kun to better hide amongst the goyim. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion lays out the goal of ultimate Jewish domination in startling detail. The apoplectic fits induced by this work alone attest to its truth, as does reality in the implementation of their plans.

>Peasants were already spontaneously seizing estates and killing landowners in the months preceding the October Revolution. It was precisely because the White armies represented the overthrown nobility and landowners that the peasants adopted at least an attitude of tolerating the Red armies.

Ah yes, I’m sure every single peasant supported the (((Bolsheviks))) as liberators and took up arms in defense of the “glorious revolution”. You should stop and think who made up the opposing army. Surely you won’t claim that it was all imperialist invaders, bourgeoisie and landowners. You can’t field any army with those groups alone. Nearly as many peasants supported the White Army against the Judaic hordes of Bolsheviks.

>Forced collectivization caused by the threat of invasion by the imperialist countries. As Stalin noted in 1931, "We are fifty or a hundred years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they will crush us."

That sounds like more horrible policy-making to me. They realized the Europeans were going to rise up and wipe them off the face of the Earth and settle their lands with a superior race so they were forced to speed up the process of death and destruction. The Jewish parasite had to suck the blood out before it was too late.

>Furthermore, collectivization ensured (with the exception of the period right after the Great Patriotic War due to Nazi destruction) that the threat of famine would not occur, a threat (and occurrence) that plagued Russian agriculture under Tsarism.

Famines also plagued the Soviet Union and caused the deaths of millions. Inb4 famines stopped after collectivization. The Soviet Union could barely supply basic goods for its citizens and queues were a fact of life. People were miserable and drank themselves into alcoholism to escape the Jewish nightmare they were trapped within.

>Many of these were members of the Communist Party, the very people you are denouncing.

Jews fighting among Jews as far as I’m concerned. The moderate factions were destroyed and World Communism strengthened.

>Pol Pot

Pol Pot pursued different policies but policies that would have lead to the same results that World Communism strove (past tense because you movement is dead and impotent) for: collectivization of everything in life, the destruction of the individual through the destruction of culture and religion, collective dining-halls, destruction of the family, indentical clothing, mass group-marriages, genocide and state-slavery. It was Marxism in an accelerated form, regardless if they later renounced the ideology that justified their crimes


 No.13357

>>13356

>Globalism is the direct result of capitalism and Jewish interests (which are intimately connected with the protypical capitalist throughout history — The Jew.

How do you distinguish between capitalism and "globalism"?

>I’ve already pointed out the activities of the Jewish people in Romania

You didn't specify how they "betrayed" Romania.

>not to mention essentially Jewish-Communist uprisings immediately after World War One in Germany

What made them "Jewish"? Hell, the 1919 rising was drowned in blood at the orders of a Social-Democratic government, i.e. ostensibly Marxists.

> and the Jewish government of Hungary under Bela Kun

As I wrote earlier in this thread:

* "you'd have to explain why there were plenty of Hungarian Jews who *weren't* communists (notably Oszkár Jászi, a member of the Károlyi government which Kun overthrew, and Vilmos Vázsonyi whose party had a sizable backing among the Jewish petty-bourgeoisie.)"

* "Kun's policies were a combination of appealing to Hungarian nationalism and adopting ultra-left domestic policies that got him criticized by Lenin and other Bolsheviks. There's no 'Talmudic form of government' at work here."

>Bela Kun, a Jew who magyarized his name from (((Kohn))) to Kun to better hide amongst the goyim.

I'm pretty sure Kun is just the Hungarian form of Kohn. Like how Jean in English is James.

>I’m sure every single peasant supported the (((Bolsheviks))) as liberators and took up arms in defense of the “glorious revolution”.

No, nor did I claim that. I'm saying that the peasants were themselves forcibly dismantling the Tsarist system in the countryside even before the revolution.

>You should stop and think who made up the opposing army.

The character of an army isn't determined by those who do the fighting (otherwise you'd have to defend the Red Army as an army of the people, using the same "logic" as you're using right now), and not even you would deny that the goal of White officers was to restore the power of the landowners if not the nobility alongside them. As one author noted, "Members of the allied expedition to Archangel (in Northwestern Russia) observed that the cheering crowds greeting the British and American troops 'consisted entirely of the bourgeoisie and that there was riot a workman to be seen.'" (Parenti, The Sword and the Dollar, 1989, p. 138.)

>They realized the Europeans were going to rise up and wipe them off the face of the Earth

For the record, in 1931 when Stalin said those words his main concern was Japan.

>Famines also plagued the Soviet Union and caused the deaths of millions.

Again, the famines in the USSR were restricted to the early 1920s (as a consequence of the civil war and economic blockade of the imperialists), the early 1930s (as a consequence of collectivization, with the class struggle involving willing acts of sabotage on the part of kulaks), and right after the Great Patriotic War due to the destruction wrought by the Nazis.

>The Soviet Union could barely supply basic goods for its citizens and queues were a fact of life.

Which has nothing to do with whether Soviet citizens in the 1950s-80s were starving or not.

>The moderate factions were destroyed and World Communism strengthened.

I mean, the aforementioned Béla Kun was among those shot. Is he a "moderate" now?

>Pol Pot pursued different policies but policies that would have lead to the same results that World Communism strove

Using that logic the likes of John Humphrey Noyes and apocalyptic Christian movements in the medieval ages (like those represented by the Taborites) were "Marxism in accelerated form."

In reality Pol Pot's regime was more akin to what Marx referred to as "crude communism" (or "barracks communism"), an arbitrary attempt to level all of society in violation of economic laws, and thus creating the conditions for its own demise. It's no more representative of Marxism than "anarcho-capitalists" are representative of capitalism and bourgeois economic thought.

In fact Pol Pot has more in common with the Hitlerites than Marxists. Khmer Rouge radio issued the following appeal amid its aggression against Vietnam: "We must purify our armed forces, our Party and the masses of people in order to continue fighting the enemies in defence of Cambodian territory and the Cambodian race, for if we do not do so, our race will disappear. Do we want to see the end of the Cambodian race? If we do not try to defend our territory, we shall lose it, and then our race will also disappear. The Vietnamese will bring in one or two million of their people into our country every year, and then we shall lose our territory and our race will be completely swallowed up."

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 No.13376

>>13357

Pretty sure the (((Anglo))) equivalent of jean is john, not James. Which is why Jeanne d'arc is Joan in English


 No.13377

>>13376

Yeah I meant to type John. My bad.


 No.13378

Also read the sublime object of ideology, unironically a solid analysis of antisemitism. Funny how you assumed I'm Jewish even though all I did was point out your circular logic


 No.13386

>>13378

>oy vey read this book by a commie

(((Namefags))) are the worst


 No.13387

>>13386

You're clearly drowning in ideology, Zizek just dissects it. What is jewish about zizek or anything I've said? If you really want to play this game I guarantee I'm more traditional western than (((you))) and most other fascists. And of course you have no rebuttal against Ismail


 No.13389

Watching Ismail translate these Hitlerite delusions into something tangible to argue against has been truly fascinating. And the result is the same as last time, no surprise there. As anyone with a working brain could predict. Watch as everyone is a jewish golem now.


 No.13391

File: 333c58f56861c71⋯.jpg (12.27 KB, 370x172, 185:86, komunizm_clip_image002.jpg)


 No.13392

File: 15b68c6487e5917⋯.jpeg (113.15 KB, 800x731, 800:731, CE003EA5-B501-4E67-8DD7-E….jpeg)

File: cab5b8e9176702f⋯.jpeg (66.36 KB, 459x646, 27:38, 80B68503-EC2F-41BC-AFA9-7….jpeg)

>>13387

Zizek is a de facto kike due to being a communist, obviously — just like you. You’ve been judaized. You live in a fundamentally Jewish cultural sphere, the goyim imbibe the degenerate culture created by a minority of Jews operating with the key positions in our lives.

>traditional western

<Muh Western world!!!!

I’m only focused on Aryans here, everything else is secondary. For two millennia the Jewification of Europe and Aryan culture has marched steadily on. Such is the Kali Yuga – the transgressions against the dharmic order are all around us

>confusion of castes

>mixed marriages

>pride of the low castes

>very young girls will give birth to children

>misbehaviour of men and women

etc. It is the rule of adharma. Research has revealed that Hitler was the ninth avatar of Vishnu. The tenth, as we all know, is Kalki – the restorer of dharma, he who will end Kali Yuga, destroy the mlecchas and heritics outside of the Brahmanical order and he who will usher in Krta Yuga. Hitler will return as Kalki, albeit much more brutal and here to finish what was started. When will he be reincarnated? Only time will tell but as Hitler taught a great man is not found, he announces himself.

The victory will obviously demonstrate the superiority of Brahmanical dharma and the highest (most pure, most Aryanized) varnas


 No.13393

LMAO what the hell even is going on? Is this 10d satire? Also I like how you changed the goalpost from communism is inherently Jewish to Jews support communism to supporting communism makes you a jew. All the while not being able to prove any link or even back up the basic premise that Jews are bad. (((Anglos))) will always be the worst, change my mind.

Ismail for the love of God stop effort posting, if this isn't just a troll you gain nothing by arguing with a mentally insane person.


 No.13394

File: 850aa79abeb6ee5⋯.png (94.14 KB, 500x532, 125:133, 1141-its-okay-it-wasnt-rea….png)


 No.13395

>>13393

>Also I like how you changed the goalpost from communism is inherently Jewish to Jews support communism to supporting communism makes you a jew.

Communism is created by Jews, many Jews support communism and supporting communism means that you are under the influence of Jewish thought. You are judaized, not Völkisch. There is no contradiction.


 No.13396

File: bd0d68a7f6c9420⋯.jpg (120.58 KB, 958x768, 479:384, 1499271574707.jpg)

>>13395

Communism is created by Jews, many Jews support communism and supporting communism means that you are under the influence of Jewish thought.

Every point was debunked ITT. You also have failed to prove what is inherently "Jewish" about communism. Heres your (you)


 No.13397

File: 9a978e30ef77e71⋯.jpg (41.36 KB, 500x336, 125:84, communism-always-one.jpg)


 No.13398

>>13391

>>13392

>>13394

>Why U no argument?

<Posts low-effort pics and memes and pretends they're an argument when he's losing.>

>13395

<Everything I hate is Jews.

At this point, the word "Jewish" has lost any and all meaning. See, that's what happens when you make literally everything "Jewish": If everything is "Jewish" then nothing is Jewish.


 No.13399

>>13396

Funny how pic related >>13356 becomes relevant again. Ismail can’t debunk me without (((Marxist))) and sources written by Jews. Communism was created by a Jew (Marx aka Moses Levy Mordecai) and supported across the world by predominantly Jewish intellectuals. It’s disconnection from reality has already been summarized ITT


 No.13400

>>13398

(((you)))


 No.13416

>>13313399

Funny how all of this insane rambling comes back around to end up justifying run of the mill anticommunist propaganda - which ironically comes from the (((mainstream media))), does it not? And no source that Marx had a Jewish birth name, not that it would even mean anything if you did.


 No.13435

File: 4d9b8c1bb6964ab⋯.jpg (1.82 MB, 2161x3080, 2161:3080, 6a010535ce1cf6970c019affa1….jpg)


 No.13440

File: 2067dc0d64cb2b5⋯.png (98.66 KB, 500x590, 50:59, B909C109-2CB0-4512-A455-5C….png)

>>13416

Kike fag


 No.13441

File: 7048114f8c9703d⋯.png (13.75 KB, 398x127, 398:127, images.png)


 No.13444

>>13440

How does it make you feel knowing the jewish golem communists assblasted your völk back into the stone age with their jew magic tanks?


 No.13445

>>13444

>can’t even spell Volk right

Opinion discarded


 No.13446

File: aca849b320d9903⋯.png (52.53 KB, 616x596, 154:149, aca849b320d9903950cb5fa380….png)

>>13440

Dein Hahnrei beeindruckt mich nicht.


 No.13447

File: 0789e2466ba8607⋯.jpg (25.82 KB, 250x329, 250:329, kill_a_commie_by_toterot.jpg)


 No.13448

File: 43083c36eaf770a⋯.jpg (145.06 KB, 2000x1333, 2000:1333, 56466200_HighRes-crop-56a7….jpg)

>>13447

Now the truth reveals itself


 No.13449

>>13446

Ich will Kommunisten VERNICHTEN


 No.13450

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

Oy vey, the ((((nazis)))) sure have a hardon for capitalism.

Epic Google translate >>13449


 No.13552

File: 23c0bc50781df71⋯.jpg (97.4 KB, 733x521, 733:521, hanged fascists.jpg)

Since when are retards allowed to use the internet? Maybe we should send some Jew curses their way.


 No.13559

>>7600

I'll give you a red pill on this.

Capitalist ideology wants you to believe that Marxism (or Communism) is the direct opposite of Nazism because the Germans attacked USSR during WW2. This is perpetuated through popular culture and so makes the people believe it to be true. This is a false correlation however, because Hitler attacked indiscriminately regardless of their political stance. His party was even Socialist with nationalism, he had no ideological clashes with Communism. He even tried to create amicable relations with the USSR and they split future land between them before going to war themselves much later. The USSR were merely a military obstacle for Germany's supremacy. Read Slavoj Zizek to understand how ideology is used to manipulate us, including by (((them))).

Notice how many shills on the site say Marxism/Communism is Jewish. This is gaslighting and plays on the indoctrination of postwar US. The Red scare and McCarthyism were Jewish tools to divide and conquer, by pointing the finger at someone else to go under the radar and to then infiltrate and solidify their power in postwar America. AIPAC is a consequence of this.


 No.13560

>>13559

>He even tried to create amicable relations with the USSR

This is false. When Hitler came to power the Soviets indicated they were willing to continue the relations they hitherto had with Germany. Hitler had other ideas. "Hitler, in January 1934, aimed at German-Soviet friendship the final and fatal blow of the German-Polish agreement. . . Litvinov visited Berlin - for the last time - in June 1934; and in the same month the recently appointed German Ambassador in Moscow, Nadolny, a diplomat long known for his advocacy of an eastern orientation in German foreign policy, resigned in protest against the new line." (E.H. Carr, German-Soviet Relations Between the Two World Wars, 1951, p. 115.)

Hitler constantly inveighed against the "threat of Bolshevism" to Europe. His "National Socialism" was explicitly at odds with Marxian socialism. He outlawed the KPD and SPD. When he remilitarized the Rhineland, the British cabinet decided not to challenge this act because it feared Hitler losing face would only strengthen the now-underground Communist movement.

>because Hitler attacked indiscriminately regardless of their political stance.

He didn't attack Fascist Italy, nor the various semi-feudal or semi-fascist governments in Eastern Europe. He certainly didn't intervene in Spain on behalf of the Republic.

>they split future land between them

No. Hitler approached the Soviets for the possibility of a non-aggression pact so he could have a freer hand in the west. The Soviets agreed, but put stipulations like that if Germany invaded Poland they were not permitted to cross a certain line. The Soviets knew that Hitler planned to invade the USSR; his anti-communist ranting and his plans for "breathing space" in the east in Mein Kampf made that clear.

The Soviets spent the years 1939-1941 strengthening their defensive capabilities. So for example the war with Finland was begun "by the Russians without prior consultation with the Germans, this war was highly embarrassing to Hitler. It affected adversely Germany's vital supply of timber and nickel from Finland. . . It threatened for a time to produce an Allied intervention across northern Norway and Sweden for the support of the Finns - an intervention which would have cut the particularly vital German imports of iron ore from northern Sweden." (George F. Kennan, Russia and the West under Lenin and Stalin, 1961, pp. 337-338)

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 No.13561

File: ec1fcf5e1da52ee⋯.gif (1.39 MB, 1596x1131, 532:377, Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact_(G….gif)

>>13560

Bolshevism is not Marxism or Communism. Are you retarded? Bolshevism had ideology in its backpack, Marxism or Communism does not. It is obvious that Hitler needed it gone because it was a threat against his own political ideology. The Bolshevik party had USSR in an iron grip. It was a matter of time before they would use justifying ideological polemic against Germany to start a war. Some believe that Bolshevism was pushed by (((them))), yet we don't know if Hitler knew this or if this was the reason he attacked USSR. We do know that it fundamentally opposed his own ideology, so he had a clear reason on that front.

>He didn't attack states that were supportive of him

Obviously not. Don't twist my original point which was that Hitler did not attack countries solely on the basis of their economical system. He did not attack France or Denmark because they were capitalist. I originally said that because it is part of the current ideological parcel to group the USSR and Communism as an antithesis to Germany and Nazism. It is wrong to make this correlation, as I said, because it insinuates that Nazi Germany attacked USSR because they thought it was run by Jews. We do not know that with certainty, for above reasons. Normies would take Jewish Bolshevism as a conspiracy theory, while neo-Nazis would consider Communism Jewish because they are redpilled. It is an advanced class of divide and conquer where the same message is interpreted differently depending on the group reading it.

This served well during the postwar years of the Red Scare. Because the US needed another enemy for their imperialistic foreign (and domestic) policy to hold, with the lobbying of (((them))) they painted the USSR and Communism as an enemy. Current day anti-Nazi gaslighting connects Jews with Communism to sow seeds of doubt and to further solidify that Capitalism is the true economic system. All national banks are run by Jews. The most powerful Capitalist nation, the US, is powerfully lobbied by them. The entire system of capitalism is built on mercantilism, which is a Jewish sport. Propaganda was invented by them as well, by Edward Bernays. Still used today to manipulate the goy populace.

>muh "they didn't split land"

They did in the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, which in a secret protocol to the pact, revealed only after Germany's defeat in 1945, according to which Romania, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Finland were divided into German and Soviet "spheres of influence". In the north, Finland, Estonia and Latvia were assigned to the Soviet sphere. The Nazi Germany invasion was in September, while the pact was written in August - the prior month. Pic related. You are completely wrong.

Do you have more gaslighting, shillfaggot?


 No.13562

>>13561

>Bolshevism is not Marxism or Communism. Are you retarded?

That alone would be sufficient to discount everything you say.

>The Bolshevik party had USSR in an iron grip. It was a matter of time before they would use justifying ideological polemic against Germany to start a war.

What kind of logic is this? A party holds a country "in an iron grip" and this therefore means it will invade other countries? Furthermore the USSR explicitly repudiated the idea that revolutions can be "exported" at the tip of bayonets. Ideological struggle is not equivalent to war.

>Don't twist my original point

Your original point was that the Nazis "attacked indiscriminately." Which is clearly wrong. He sought to ally the fascist countries against the Soviet Union and the bourgeois democracies (the British and French imperialists having defeated the German imperialists during WWI.)

>The entire system of capitalism is built on mercantilism

Capitalism has long outgrown and thrown aside its mercantilist period.

>They did in the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact, which in a secret protocol to the pact...

This is not a case of saying "you invade this place, we'll invade the other." That is the fabrication of bourgeois historiography. Again, the purpose of the protocols was to limit the Nazis. Hence in the event of war with Poland, for example, the Nazis were not to cross the line that coincided basically with the Curzon line over a decade prior. But despite this, "The Germans went beyond the line where they were to have stopped under a Soviet-German understanding. They crossed the Western Bug and San and entered the Western Ukraine and Western Byelorussia, annexed by Poland in 1921. . . . The [Red Army's entry] alarmed the Nazi command, General Nicolaus von Vormann, a member of Hitler's Headquarters, recalls in his memoirs. The Headquarters debated whether to come to blows with the Red Army or to bide its time and retreat. In the end, it decided on the latter course." (Deborin, Secrets of the Second World War, 1972, p. 43.)

>The Nazi Germany invasion was in September, while the pact was written in August - the prior month.

The Nazi invasion of Poland had been decided on in April 1939, with Hitler declaring in May that, "There is no question of sparing Poland. . . . There will be war. If there were an alliance of France, England, and Russia, I would attack England and France with a few annihilating blows." (Frederick L. Schuman, Russia since 1917, 1957, pp. 256-257.)

You'll notice that Lithuania was not "assigned to the Soviet sphere," yet its semi-fascist government met the same fate as its Latvian and Estonian counterparts, to the annoyance of Hitler who hoped to use Lithuania against the USSR.

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 No.13563

File: 3c8b881f35417e1⋯.jpg (156.46 KB, 514x585, 514:585, 1553009176031.jpg)

>>13562

>bolshevism is communism and marxism, ur retarded, I'm not gonna say why

Gaslighting. Shill warning.

>ideology does not lead 2 not war

Current US imperialism. Previous Nazism from Nazi Germany. Japanese imperialism. Britain's colonial imperialism. These are concrete examples where ideology dictate foreign policy. Your definition of ideology is trash, I'm using Slavoj Zizek's definition. Yours is something as vague as... culture? Nationalism? It's another attempt to derail by misconstruing my points. Another shill warning.

>ur point is wrong cuz i nitpicked ur words out of context and applied another meaning to them

You're either a certified retard or a shill who is trying to derail by ignoring my points and attacking anything else but. Everything points to the latter.

>jews didnt do mercantilism, ur wrong lol

Random historical fact with no context or point. Attempt at derailing, fourth shill warning.

>hurr durr the pact didn't explicitly state dividing countries, is rich ppl destroying history

It did happen, proof is right there - yet you don't address it. A lone commander did not have access to the innermost plans of the Reich, which it evidently was if it wasn't publicly known prior to 1945. Planning the invasion before planning to split up the countries does not disprove USSR/Germany diplomacy. Fifth and sixth attempt at gaslighting.

This is weak. Are you really the best the paid PR agencies can muster? They must be scraping the barrel with your sad excuse of a fleshbag-mounted rotbrain. You may have the common idiot under your thumb, but as long as I exist will I never let this site fall to your pathetic attempts at misinformation.


 No.13564

>>13563

>Gaslighting. Shill warning.

Explain how Bolshevism, a political tendency that emerged in the Russian Social-Democratic Labour Party (the first Marxist party in Russia), and which likewise could trace its origins to the Emancipation of Labour group founded by early Russian Marxists in contact with Marx and Engels, is "not Marxism or Communism."

>Current US imperialism. Previous Nazism from Nazi Germany. Japanese imperialism. Britain's colonial imperialism. These are concrete examples where ideology dictate foreign policy.

Imperialism is not an ideology. If you elected a pacifist to the White House, the US would still have an economy based on imperialist capitalism.

>I'm using Slavoj Zizek's definition.

I'm using the definition used by Marx, Engels and Lenin.

>Random historical fact with no context or point.

My point is that modern capitalist economies are not mercantilist, something you're not refuting.

>Planning the invasion before planning to split up the countries does not disprove USSR/Germany diplomacy.

No one was disputing diplomacy. I'm disputing your claim that the USSR and Nazi Germany planned to invade Poland. "Do not violate this sphere of influence" is not a joint agreement on invasion. In fact, the USSR had earlier tried to convince the semi-fascist Polish regime to agree to measures to defend it against Nazi aggression, but the Polish leaders refused and instead were more interested in talking with their Nazi counterparts about the possibility of Poland taking over parts of the Ukraine.

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 No.13568

>>13563

Stop pretending like you've read Zizek, he rips your ideology to shreds.


 No.13570

>>13563

>Zizek

Here he talks about you and other anti-semites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFv4RbMCyqw


 No.13573

>>13563

Wow, you are truly absolutely embarrassing.


 No.13580

File: fddc5f9c8e595ce⋯.gif (6.1 MB, 400x300, 4:3, communism repulsion.gif)

Rustling the shillhive is my favorite thing to do. Come at me, you vapid fucks.

>>13564

>bloshevism = marksism, communism

You are not making the distinction between these. I am. You say they are the same, I say they are not because Bolshevism has ideological baggage and the others do not. Marxism is a class emancipation theory using Hegelian dialectics while Communism is the economical and political system which is the end game for this dialectic. What is my definition of ideology, you ask? A set of normative beliefs which are perpetually reinforced through basic psychological buttons and affect how we see the world, effectively society. It is a psychological phenomenon. Acts, words, phrases, symbols etc. that all bind the community together. Other ideologies which stem from Marxist theory? Trotskyism, Maoism, Stalinism. To say these are Marxism or Communism is wrong in the same sense I just laid out. They all have ideological (see definition above) baggage which makes them social and thus differ from its original theory.

>muh imperialism

Yes it is. The people in charge of it throughout history have an ideological veil over their judgement which justifies the acts of subjugating others. Lines like "we're bringing civilization to savage land" (a favorite of the British Empire) or "we're liberating them from evil Communism" (favorite of USA) are imperialist ideology.

>ideology of Marx, Engels and Lenin

Alright, then it makes sense that we do not understand each other. I prefer Zizek's definition because it is a modern psychoanalytic viewpoint.

>modern capitalist economies are not mercantilist

Obviously not, are you retarded? I said it was built on it, so does that automatically mean that it exists side by side today? No. Your brain is malfunctioning to make these dots, assuming you're not a shill.

>USSR and le Reich planning

You are obviously ignoring what I said. Do you want me to repeat? I said THEY SPLIT LAND BETWEEN THEM. I posted the proof. You insinuate that what I said was that they made join military plans. No. I never said that. I said they split land between themselves. Know the difference, peabrain.

>>13568

Oh, so I don't know what Zizek says? Read above answer for what his definition of ideology is.

>>13570

A weaponsmith do not decide under what banner his weapon will be used. Zizek is vulnerable. The clip stats with him acknowledging New York Times as zionist and barring him, so we know that he know that they have power in the world. He is not so stupid as to implicate himself.

>>13573

Great, anyone else?

Do you have more weak shit or will you remain repulsed in your dirty holes like pic, little shills?


 No.13582

File: 027ef11ead5a0e1⋯.jpg (46.21 KB, 504x336, 3:2, n.jpg)

>>13580

*sight*


 No.13590

>>13580

>You are not making the distinction between these. I am.

You're making an idiotic distinction. When the Bolsheviks described themselves as Marxists, what were they? When they named themselves the Communist Party, what were they?

>Other ideologies which stem from Marxist theory? Trotskyism, Maoism, Stalinism.

There is no such thing as "Stalinism."

>Lines like "we're bringing civilization to savage land" (a favorite of the British Empire) or "we're liberating them from evil Communism" (favorite of USA) are imperialist ideology.

You have things upside down. Imperialist ideology came about to justify the policies of the capitalist class in the imperialist countries. "Bringing civilization to a savage land" was not the aspiration nor idea of a British worker or peasant. Anti-Communism did not arise from the working-class.

>I said it was built on it

Again, you said, "The entire system of capitalism is built on mercantilism, which is a Jewish sport." Assuming mercantilism *was* a "Jewish sport," it is irrelevant if we're talking about the workings of capitalism today or Jews.

>Do you want me to repeat? I said THEY SPLIT LAND BETWEEN THEM. I posted the proof. You insinuate that what I said was that they made join military plans. No. I never said that. I said they split land between themselves.

You're trying to walk away from your untenable position. By saying they "split land between themselves," you're clearly insinuating that the USSR and Nazi Germany came to an agreement on carving up countries. That isn't what happened.

It's why you stupidly wrote that, "The Nazi Germany invasion was in September, while the pact was written in August - the prior month." I pointed out that the Nazis had decided as early as April to invade Poland, regardless of any negotiations with the USSR.

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 No.13596

This thread is a proof the dialectics have reached their final stage. This is over. The Great Filter is real. Abandon hope all ye who enter here.


 No.13597

>>13594

>Instead of the democracy the Jews promised, the Jews themselves rule as an oligarchy with an iron grip -- as happened in Russia.

And this brings us back to a question that recurs again and again: how did "the Jews themselves rule as an oligarchy" in the USSR?

I also don't see what role the "Jewish-owned press" had in regards to the Bolsheviks. What constituted "Jewish-owned"? Iskra? Pravda?


 No.13600

>>13598

If you're going to go that route, then explain the "real government" of the Soviet Union. Name its leaders.

>Anything owned by Jews or that does the bidding of the Jews.

In other words, a periodical is "Jewish-owned" if it happens to do "the bidding of the Jews" (whatever that means in the context of, say, Iskra or Pravda.)


 No.13603

>>13601

>Oh yes, as a member of Jewish elite I can explain every detail of their organization!! -- wrong.

I asked you to name its leaders—any leaders.

We're supposed to believe that there was a "real government" of the Soviet Union separate from the actual governing machinery and the Communist Party. Why? Because you say so?

>THE JEWS SUPPORT COMMUNISM

Is that why the Bolsheviks had to carry out polemics against the Bund, and had to struggle against Zionist groups? Is that why the Bolsheviks had little following among Russia's Jewish community?


 No.13614

File: 2fcb93ec4d0adcd⋯.jpg (1013.74 KB, 914x1794, 457:897, Screenshot_20190323-021620….jpg)

File: ab8504dd31e9a8f⋯.jpg (634.67 KB, 904x1306, 452:653, Screenshot_20190323-021711….jpg)

*sniff* You haven't provided a single argument with sources


 No.13627

>>13601

Why do the jews support communism if they support capitalism and directly profits from the latter. They should hate communism.


 No.13629

>>13603

>the Bolsheviks had to carry out polemics against the Bund

Why did they do this? Weren't the Bundists the non-nationalist and socialist types of group?


 No.13631

File: bf6f5f3dbc3578a⋯.jpg (672.11 KB, 1528x929, 1528:929, Rafiq - Joos.jpg)

Here's cumrag Rafiq's take on "Jewish Bolshevism".


 No.13633

>>13629

No. The Bund generally sided with the Mensheviks, and the whole idea of having a separate organization for Jewish workers was denounced by Lenin. You can find Lenin's writings against the Bund (and on other subjects relating to Jews) here: https://archive.org/details/LeninJewishQuestion


 No.13642

>>13640

Seems like you're desperately avoiding the question. Who were these jewish elite leaders? As usual, "the jew" is just a phantom in the nazi mind, something that must be there, and if he isn't, it's just because he's using jewish magiks to hide.


 No.13644

>>13640

>First it destroyed its own economy

The Russian economy was already in disarray by the time of the October Revolution. The Tsar himself had been deposed precisely due to popular protests over bread and other scarcities.

>but only to ensure the absolute dominance of international finance capital over the USSR, as actually happened after foreign investors were let in to run rampant for most of the twenties.

How were "foreign investors" able to "run rampant"? The Bolsheviks constantly appealed for foreign investment throughout the 1920s, but only a trickle came in. The Bolsheviks also set up a monopoly on foreign trade to ensure that foreign capital, if it did come in considerable quantities, could not assume the dimensions it did under the Tsar.

>Hitler noted that all of the noted stock market interests such as the Berliner Tagblatt and Frankfurter Zeitung all advocated for a German-Russian alliance...makes me think

Well yeah, the Soviet Union denounced Versailles and subsequent attempts by the British, French and American imperialists to keep Germany subjugated economically. As I wrote elsewhere:

>the conservatives and reactionaries who dominated the military regarded the USSR as a "lesser evil." Hence during the 1920s the USSR covertly helped the German army regain some of its strength, allowed it to train on Soviet territory, etc.

>They even cheered as the Red Army was advancing into Poland, since Von Seeckt and other militarists felt that the downfall of the Polish bourgeois government would deal a mortal blow to the Versailles Treaty and allow Germany to regain territory in the east as part of an agreement with the Bolsheviks (as the latter were indeed willing to do in the event the Red Army captured Warsaw.)

>As Lenin explained it, "If we exclude America, Germany is the most advanced country. In the development of electricity her technical level is even higher than America’s. The conditions obtaining in Germany in consequence of the Treaty of Versailles make her existence impossible. Because of that situation it is natural for Germany to be prompted towards an alliance with Russia. When the Russian troops were approaching Warsaw, all Germany was seething. An alliance between Russia and Germany, a country that has been strangled, a country that is able to set gigantic productive forces in motion—this situation has led to a political mix up in Germany: the German Black Hundreds [i.e. reactionaries, anti-Semites] sympathise with the Russian Bolsheviks in the same way as the Spartacus League [i.e. Communist Party] does. This can well be understood because it derives from economic causes, and is the basis of the entire economic situation and of our foreign policy."

The British and French imperialists certainly didn't mind when Hitler broke off this German-Soviet cooperation, and wanted to get him to expand in the east (as he wrote he would in Mein Kampf) and go to war with the USSR, which the British and French imperialists hoped would result in the destruction of Soviet socialism as well as the weakening of Germany.

In addition, this "enemy of my enemy is my friend" approach by Germany took place as early as 1917-18 when the Kaiser's government sent funds to the Bolsheviks to get Russia out of the war. It's why the Provisional Government and the Entente papers kept on attacking Lenin as a "German agent."

>Anyone with a brain knows – and Hitler even predicted this in the late 1920s – that in Russia a change took place

First off, you're not answering my question as to who headed the "real government" in Soviet Russia, nor can you demonstrate how "Jewish-capitalist Russia morphed into nationalist-anticapitalist Russia."

Second, Hitler did not predict anything. He broke off relations with the USSR after coming to power and constantly ranted about "Judeo-Bolshevism" for the duration of the decade, only to temporarily halt his rantings during 1939-1941, then resuming them when he launched Operation Barbarossa. His hypothetical situation, founded on stupid logic like "western European capitalism would adopt a serious anti-Russian attitude" (as if it hadn't already), never came to pass in his eyes.

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 No.13645

>>13642

>says the nigger who believes getting rid of capitalism will make religion, sexism and racism magically disappear

The signs of Jewish power are as clear as day and if you want to deny the disproportionate wealth held by Jews, their control of the media, their political power, their economic power, their power in the culture at large (movies, pornography, etc) I don’t know what the fuck I can even say to you. Then again you are literally following political Judaism.


 No.13648

>>13645

>their power in the culture at large (movies, pornography, etc)

I never got the "Jews are bad because pornography" argument. Are Hugh Hefner, Larry Flynt and Max Hardcore that much more virtuous than Ron Jeremy, Seymore Butts and Al Goldstein?

It's like people who complain about Jews and organized crime, as if Meyer Lansky is apparently so much more insidious than Al Capone or Whitey Bulger.

It isn't like the USSR had a thriving pornographic industry.


 No.13656

>>13648

I think it has a lot to do with sexual repression TBH. If you hang around /pol/ or /4/gif, you'll see a lot of confessions that they're secretly turned on by interracial cuckporn, trans porn etc. They have to put the blame somewhere, since they are the pure spirited aryan masterrace, but have been corrupted by the jewish porn industry.

Something like that.


 No.13666

>>13656

Unironically this. The New Zealand shooter said that the moment his radicalization was complete was:

> Something, this time, was different. That difference was Ebba Akerlund. Young, innocent and dead Ebba. Ebba was walking to meet her mother after school, when she was murdered by an Islamic attacker, driving a stolen vehicle through the shopping promenade on which she was walking. Ebba was partially deaf, unable to hear the attacker coming. Ebba death at the hands of the invaders, the indignity of her violent demise and my inability to stop it broke through my own jaded cynicism like a sledgehammer. I could no longer ignore the attacks. They were attacks on my people, attacks on my culture, attacks on my faith and attacks on my soul. They would not be ignored.

His «moment of clarity» happened when he decided he wanted to LARP as the savior to the white woman. And I'm sure someone will try to distance themselves from him, but his image was already posted in this thread, so don't pretend like this doesn't sum up the mentality perfectly. Dumb, lonely, petty bourgeois (he made his money from cryptocurrency) consumes mass media to the point where he goes mad, declares himself the white woman's savior, and goes apeshit on whatever ethnic group the media happens to be demonizing. But also referring back to my post >>13614, it should be clear by this point that the point of antisemitism isn't just hating Jews, the object of the Jew is just something you can project all of the failures of capitalism and yourself onto without having to actually criticize either the system (which is why it's acceptable to the bourgeoisie) or yourself (which is why it's mentally accessible to these types.) Like Zizek says, any source that debunks their claim just provides more evidence for it, and any source for that source shows the influence of the Jew goes even deeper, and so on and so on. It's unfalsifiable, whereas Marxism, as a theory concerning laws of history/economy, is not only falsifiable, but does not depend on individuals having a particular hatred for the bourgeoisie or any other idea in their head to function. (Like gravity, which operates independent of our knowledge of it: I could go around saying the Jews are making stuff fall with their Talmudic magic and if we want to stop stuff from falling we need to get rid of Jews and communism, but that would be a pretty high burden of proof and easily demonstrably false, like everything in this thread.)

What is the vision that fascists work towards? When they are forced to answer this question, the facade of «Englightenment ideals,» traditional aesthetics, or something falls away, and the incompetence and paraphilia comes center stage. There is no question of the factual basis for fascist claims. Ismail has debunked fascist claims multiple times in this thread, and there are volumes written on these questions. If you don't accept the premise that race (or the substitute word «culture») is a determining factor in history, the rest of the facts, even if they were true, mean nothing.

Please let this end the thread.


 No.13668

>>13666

>When they are forced to answer this question, the facade of «Englightenment ideals,»

When the Nazis took power, Göbbels declared that they would "erase 1789 from history."

Richard Spencer mocked the words of the Declaration of Independence as "faggy" and "very Enlightenment."

In my experience fascists attack the French Revolution and the ideals behind it as scarcely less "Jewish" than the October Revolution. So they don't even have that façade.

>Please let this end the thread.

I see no harm in keeping this one thread around. The original poster asked "How does /marx/ respond to the talking point of the Nazis" and we've given plenty of examples for people to see for themselves.


 No.13670

>>13666

>>13656

Also the notorious American group, the Proud Boys, are literally named after a cut song from the Disney film Aladdin where the main character sings about how he has disappointed his mother and wants to do better.

>>13668

I didn't mean take down the thread, I mean I hope this makes them stop responding. I agree the thread is a good aggregate of sources.


 No.13689

It’s like Operation Bagration 1944 up in this shit the way comrades are obliterating Nazi after Nazi after Nazi after Nazi. Ismail, you have truly the patience of a saint. This thread should be required reading for all people.


 No.13701

>>13668

>the words of the Declaration of Independence as "faggy" and "very Enlightenment."

They are though. Of course a kike like (((Ismail))) adheres to bourgeois ideology, faggot


 No.13704

>>13701

As Lenin pointed out, "Marxism has won its historic significance as the ideology of the revolutionary proletariat because, far from rejecting the most valuable achievements of the bourgeois epoch, it has, on the contrary, assimilated and refashioned everything of value in the more than two thousand years of the development of human thought and culture."

He also noted, "One cannot be a Marxist without feeling the deepest respect for the great bourgeois revolutionaries who had an historic right to speak for their respective bourgeois 'fatherlands', and, in the struggle against feudalism, led tens of millions of people in the new nations towards a civilised life."

This is why the Nazis abhor 1789 and attack the Declaration of Independence. Hitler declared that democracy led to Marxism and interfered with the "aristocracy of nature." The bourgeoisie (which finances fascist movements) have long sought to obliterate the progressive significance of the bourgeois revolutions, precisely because the working-class can make use of them for its own struggle for emancipation. It's why plenty of bourgeois authors in France actually denounce the French Revolution, while their counterparts across the ocean argue the American Revolution is to be lauded as a defense of the conservative status quo and thus not a "real" revolution. To even speak of there having been an English Revolution (rather than "merely" an English Civil War) is an indicator of whether the author in question is a Marxist or not.

When the CPUSA was persecuted for supposedly teaching the use of "force and violence" to overthrow the government, its members pointed out that it was in fact upholding a principle contained in the Declaration of Independence: "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of [Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness], it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Lincoln likewise declared, "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it."

Marxists only "adhere" to that part of bourgeois ideology which the bourgeoisie itself has abandoned since it can become infused with a new proletarian content. Hence the right to revolution and the struggle for democracy endorsed by bourgeois revolutionaries like Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine, which the slaveowners of the 1840s-60s denounced as "anarchical" and the fascists today, seeking to protect a decaying capitalist system, likewise denounce. Fascism is not hostile to bourgeois ideology, it simply upholds that part of it which was and is reactionary.

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 No.13989

>>13631

Does Rafiq still lurk somewhere?


 No.13992

>>13989

Don't know where he hangs out now that revleft died, but you can find his posts there still. There are some real gems if you can deal with his arogance.


 No.14528

File: 495322eb294e42b⋯.webm (7.53 MB, 360x240, 3:2, The_Jewish_Bolshevik_Comm….webm)

What's the response to this? Is any of this true?


 No.14529

>>14528

From what I recall reading, there were many Jewish officials in the security services during the 1920s-30s, epitomized by Yagoda as head of the NKVD and Matvei Berman who oversaw the gulag system during its growth in the mid-30s.

But considering that Yagoda, Berman, and many other security officials (Jews and non-Jews) were shot during the Great Purges, I don't see what it's supposed to prove as to "Jewish domination" or whatever.

If there's anything else you want clarified, feel free to ask.


 No.14539

File: f01fee6a03e7e4c⋯.png (574.39 KB, 1132x890, 566:445, medal.png)

>>14528

Honestly I don't understand their view of the Jews. One day they are world bankers and giant capitalist, the second they are the Bolsheviks, we should eradicate every jew because "Jewish" bolsheviks killed millions, Holocaust didn't happen but it should have. It's kind of funny when mostly young leftist get confronted with the "gigantic" death toll of communism they say "it wasn't real socialism" or that's not what we want. When you ask a Nazi he will deny it or say it wasn't that bad, but in the end he won't deny that it's what he wants, there's no "they were wrong" like there is with leftist.

Thanks for reading my blogpost.


 No.14540

>>14539

>One day they are world bankers and giant capitalist, the second they are the Bolsheviks

They see no contradiction. They think Marxism is part of a plot by Jewish "bankers"/"globalists"/whatever but they can't coherently explain how. Like one of the reasons the Entente used to justify attacking Soviet Russia and refusing to grant it diplomatic recognition is because of its nationalization of foreign-owned property and its annulment of debts incurred by Tsarist Russia to Western creditors. Western governments and financiers welcomed the rise of the Provisional Government, not the Bolsheviks.


 No.14574

>>14539

These people are batshit insane. If you have ever visited a board like /fascist/ or even just a FB group of the Yellow Vests movement which is almost entirely taken over by literal fascists at this point you will see considerations of economic realities or reasonable human interests don't play the slightest role in their "analysis" of the world. They are only interested in sowing panic and hatred towards the most marginalized members of society by jumping at every opportunity to create a new scapegoat, not in understanding the world let alone changing it for the better.


 No.14799

>>13992

Very arrogant indeed, but seems like a smart guy.

What happened to revleft, by the way?


 No.14840

>What happened to revleft, by the way?

Simply died out since people moved onto Facebook, Twitter, leftypol and other means of communicating.

>>14839

Marx himself ridiculed the bourgeois opponents of communism for claiming that the latter seek to "abolish the family." See: >>13836

>forcibly seize everyone's property

You mean the property of the capitalists, who themselves seized it from peasants and from foreign conquests. The proletariat, as Marx noted, has nothing to lose but its chains.

>and destroy any initiative or culture that we don't like because it's reactionary!

It was Göbbels who declared that the Nazis sought to erase the year 1789 from history. These same Nazis burned works by Einstein, Brecht, H.G. Wells, Victor Hugo, Gorky, Upton Sinclair, Hemingway, Helen Keller, etc.

There was also that other famous anti-communist crusade, McCarthyism, with its efforts to ban Robin Hood and numerous other "subversive" texts.

Meanwhile the October Revolution opened theaters and art exhibitions to ordinary Russians, to name just one way the Soviet state encouraged culture among the masses.

>Love your homeland? How fascist of you

You've clearly never heard of the concept of socialist patriotism. Nor have you read, for instance, Marx's observation that "If the [Paris] Commune was thus the true representative of all the healthy elements of French society, and therefore the truly national Government, it was, at the same time, as a working men's Government, as the bold champion of the emancipation of labour, emphatically international."

In other words, national strivings are not inherently at odds with the internationalism, and in fact can contribute to fraternal relations between peoples. The USSR encouraged the development of cultures that were described as national in form while socialist in content.

All this is very different from chauvinism and xenophobia, and the "nationalism" of reactionary politicians and fascist demagogues who ignited world wars in the interests of the capitalist class they served.

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 No.14842

>>14839

>Love your homeland? How fascist of you

Yes you love your homeland so much, you want capitalists to milk it for as much as they can get then move on to somewhere else. Fascists impoverished/killed tens of millions, and flattened God knows how much land, whereas communists liberated their countries and led the people through the process of building up. There is no "homeland" outside of the people and institutions, and there are irreconcilable interests between the different classes of people, so unless you live in one of the remaining socialist countries, you can't love your "homeland" you can either love the workers or their exploiters.


 No.14918

I thought myself as a fascist for a while (as gay as that sounds), but where does the 95% of Bolsheviks were Jewish fact come from? Is this just a myth or does it have legitimate claim?

Never mind that, but is it not true that the vast of the Russian Jews reasoning for joining the Bolsheviks was primarily due to the pogroms and the period of Russification during Tsarist rule? How do people use this to link Jews with Bolshevism? Could this of stemmed from White Army propaganda during the Civil War?


 No.14919

>>14918

>but where does the 95% of Bolsheviks were Jewish fact come from? Is this just a myth or does it have legitimate claim?

It's bunk, e.g. study of Russian Marxism from 1898-1907 points out that, "Between [Bolshevik and Menshevik] leaders, however, there is one striking difference: the Bolsheviks were nearly all Great Russian by nationality whereas at least four of the nine Mensheviks were Jewish and another two were Georgian." Likewise in terms of membership, the Bolsheviks "had a small minority of Jewish members but were overwhelmingly Great Russians; the Mensheviks were made up mostly of national minorities - particularly Georgians and Jews." (David Lane, The Roots of Russian Communism, p. 32, 51)

At no point anywhere was "95% of the Bolsheviks" an accurate figure, not in terms of leading personnel and certainly not in terms of ordinary members.

>is it not true that the vast of the Russian Jews reasoning for joining the Bolsheviks was primarily due to the pogroms and the period of Russification during Tsarist rule?

That's one reason, although as as noted in another work I quoted (by Solomon M. Schwarz: >>8772) Bolshevik Jews were largely assimilated and lacking connections to the wider Jewish community. Which is why in 1917 this community largely identified with Zionist parties and the Bund, not the Bolsheviks.

>How do people use this to link Jews with Bolshevism? Could this of stemmed from White Army propaganda during the Civil War?

The White armies did carry out anti-Semitic propaganda, and there was also a resurgence of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" hoax.


 No.14959

Bolshevism = Kikes.

"Ismail" = Kike faggot.

"The praesidium consisted of Sverdlov, Olminsky, Lomov, Yurenev, and Stalin. Even here, with the most prominent figures of Bolshevism absent, Stalin’s name is listed in last place. The Congress resolved to send greetings to ‘Lenin, Trotzky, Zinoviev, Lunacharsky, Kamenev, Kollontai, and all the others arrested and persecuted comrades.’ These were elected to the honorary praesidium.” [Stalin: An Appraisal of the Man and His Influence, by Lev Trotsky (translated by Charles Malamuth), Harper Bros., New York & London, 1941] page 217.]


 No.14960

“One of the chief weaknesses in the new regime was antipathy to the Jews. In the country districts the feeling was widespread that the revolution had been a movement on the part of the Jews to seize the power for themselves, and the remark was frequently heard that if the Jews of Budapest died of starvation, so much the better for the rest of the country. The government of Bela Kun was composed almost exclusively of Jews who held also the administrative offices. The communist had united at first with the socialists who were not of the extremely radical party, but resembled somewhat the Labor parties or trade unionists groups in other countries. Bela Kun did not, however select his personnel from among them, but turned to the Jews and constituted virtually a Jewish bureaucracy.”

The New International Year Book of 1919 [Dodd, Mead, Co., page 587]


 No.14961

>>14959

What point are you trying to make with the quote? Olminsky, Lomov, Yurenev, Lunacharsky and Kollontai weren't Jews (obviously neither was Stalin, and Lenin himself barely qualified as a Jew and was apparently unaware of the scant Jewish heritage he had.)

>>14960

As noted earlier in this thread, Jews indeed comprised most of the government of the Hungarian Soviet Republic. But to quote myself:

>There was nothing actually "Jewish" about the Kun government outside of the fact that its members were largely Jews though, e.g. there's no evidence of it trying to impose a "Talmudic form of government" or what have you. And in order for "communism is a Jewish conspiracy to oppress gentiles" to make sense, you'd need to provide more evidence than simply one short-lived government having a preponderance of Jews.

>Kun's policies were a combination of appealing to Hungarian nationalism and adopting ultra-left domestic policies that got him criticized by Lenin and other Bolsheviks.

>Also, you'd have to explain why there were plenty of Hungarian Jews who *weren't* communists (notably Oszkár Jászi, a member of the Károlyi government which Kun overthrew, and Vilmos Vázsonyi whose party had a sizable backing among the Jewish petty-bourgeoisie.)

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 No.14962

>>14943

>exploitation doesn't exist

galaxy brain understanding of economics right here. Does profit fall out of the capitalists ass?

>>14960

Explain exactly, with quotes from both Marx and the Torah, how the philosophy of Marxism is inherently Jewish. If you are incapable of this, log off mommy's computer, ask her to drive you to the library, and take out some books.


 No.14964

>>14961

>"Olminsky, Lomov, Yurenev, Lunacharsky and Kollontai weren't Jews"

Prove those people weren't Jewish.

>>14962

>"Explain exactly, with quotes from both Marx and the Torah, how the philosophy of Marxism is inherently Jewish"

>Torah

Shut the fuck up your bluepilled faggot. The Talmud.


 No.14965

File: dd77bda0c00aa83⋯.jpg (75.13 KB, 1196x395, 1196:395, Jews Detested Christianity….jpg)

File: e5ba25b3ce590f5⋯.jpg (187.32 KB, 1200x800, 3:2, 1528688269602.jpg)

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 No.14968

Even if all of socialist leaders were Jews, not that I believe they were. What would that mean? It seems to me like the least important thing in the world. You know, a great deal of noble prize winners were Jews. Are we supposed to throw everything those people invented out of the window? I know you are such smoothbrains who would support burning books just because of it being written by the Jews


 No.14969

>>14964

>Prove those people weren't Jewish.

they literally weren't, you can find this yourself. you can't just call people Jewish when they clearly aren't, and then ask others to disprove your claims that you yourself haven't even backed up when confronted. how about you prove that they were Jewish, since you bought that up in the first place as a key part of your argument.


 No.14976

>>14964

>Prove those people weren't Jewish.

How can I prove a negative? That's like asking someone for proof they don't beat their wife. Give me a source that claims they were Jewish.

>The Talmud.

The Talmud is no more Marxist than the Hadiths.

>>14965

I've quoted Shahak earlier in this thread. He was a Holocaust survivor and strong critic of Orthodox Judaism. It isn't difficult to understand why many Jews (and especially many Jewish religious leaders) were wary of Christianity when it was used as justification for forcing them to convert under penalty of death, or to justify persecuting them for "killing Jesus," etc. You'll find plenty of Muslims similarly contemptuous of Christians due to the Crusades and colonialism.

One of Shahak's points is that Jewish religious leaders also made use of anti-Christian sentiment to keep Jews isolated from and ignorant about gentile society and to keep them controlled by said religious leaders. In other words, the opposite of Jewish world domination conspiracy theories.

As for the second image you post, I don't see what the quote of a random Zionist author has to do with anything. As noted, Marxists (including Bolsheviks) were openly at odds with Zionism.

You then give three quotes (presumably attributed to the Talmud), but according to page 172 of "The Hoaxers" by Morris Kominsky:

>Baba Mecia 114-6. This quotation is a complete fabrication. Even the numbering is incorrect. There can be no 114-6; it has to be 114a or 114b.

(Source: https://archive.org/details/TheHoaxers/page/n165)

The second quote seems to be real, although the context is apparently that a child of a Jew and a non-Jew is said to have no more recognition in Jewish religious law than an animal, not that gentile children are literally animals: http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/man2.html (obviously to compare anyone with an animal in any context is generally insulting, but then the comparison seems to have emerged in the second century AD by a religious authority amid the Roman persecution of Jews, so I wouldn't expect particularly enlightening statements under the circumstances)

I can't find evidence of the third quote existing.

Marx indeed had a long line of rabbi ancestors. I don't see how this is relevant when his father was a convert to Christianity, brought him up as a Christian, and lamented his increasingly irreligious views.

The only way it'd be relevant is if you think Jews are genetically predisposed to evildoing (in which case it wouldn't matter if his ancestors were distinguished rabbis or despised street urchins) or if you believe in Voodoo and think Marx used it to contact his ancestors to help write his texts.

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 No.14979

>>14977

>Prove they are non-Jews.

Again, give me your sources claiming they are Jews. You can easily find out that Trotsky, Zinoviev, Kamenev and Sverdlov were Jews. I can't find anything claiming that Olminsky, Lomov, Yurenev, Lunacharsky and Kollontai were Jews.


 No.14982

File: cc6697165db9b05⋯.png (256.48 KB, 500x340, 25:17, wut.png)

>>14981


 No.14983

>>14981

Again, it's like saying "prove you don't beat your wife." You can't really prove a negative.

One work describes Kollontai's parents as "an aristocratic Ukrainian grenadier officer in the prestigious Poltava regiment and a former Finnish peasant's daughter." (Cathy Porter, Alexandra Kollontai: A Biography, p. 4)

Lunacharsky "bore the surname and patronymic of his mother's first husband, a state councillor; but his natural father was Alexander Ivanovich Antonov, also a state councillor but of radical views." (Sheila Fitzpatrick, The Commissariat of Enlightenment: Soviet Organization of Education and the Arts Under Lunacharsky, p. 2) Nothing about his parents being Jews.

There's no biographies of Olminsky, Lomov and Yurenev in English. The Great Soviet Encyclopedia calls Olminsky the "son of a minor official" (i.e. a civil servant like Lunacharsky's father, thus unlikely to be a Jew.)

Yurenev was the son of a railroad worker. Russian-language Wikipedia makes no mention of him being a Jew.

The Russian-language Wikipedia states that Lomov was born to a family of noblemen, his father being the manager of a state bank and his grandfather a priest.


 No.14984

>"The praesidium consisted of Sverdlov, Olminsky, Lomov, Yurenev, and Stalin. Even here, with the most prominent figures of Bolshevism absent, Stalin’s name is listed in last place. The Congress resolved to send greetings to ‘Lenin, Trotzky, Zinoviev, Lunacharsky, Kamenev, Kollontai, and all the others arrested and persecuted comrades.’ These were elected to the honorary praesidium.”

>most prominent figures of Bolshevism: Lenin, Trotzky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Kollontai

>Lenin, Trotzky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Kollontai


 No.14985

>>14983

No, it's not. Proving someone to be a non-Jew is not proving a negative. It's a matter of showing their ethnicity or religion. You are a lying kike. These people are all Jewish.


 No.14986

This is the list. They are all Jewish. Ismail is a faggot. Every kike in this thread is dishonest and pathetic.

>Lenin, Trotzky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Kollontai


 No.14987

>>14984

I wonder if people like you know that Lenin's name is Vladimir Ilyich. Is that name also Jewish? Is the name Lenin Jewish? What's posting their names supposed to mean?


 No.14988

>>14987

This is the list. These are all Jewish. You are a lying faggot to say otherwise.

>Lenin, Trotzky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Kollontai


 No.14989

File: e76efbadc4d6507⋯.jpg (114.14 KB, 2500x1250, 2:1, npc-meme.jpg)

>>14988

If (true) {System.print.in("Lenin, Trotzky, Zinoviev, Kamenev, Kollontai" )}

My god do I hate the NPC maymay.


 No.14990

>>14985

It is when I'm saying that there's nothing indicating these people are Jewish but you keep asking me to "prove" they aren't, as if I'm supposed to travel to the former Soviet Union and piece together their genealogies.

Also what would "showing their religion" do? Obviously they were all atheists, didn't matter if they were Jews or not.

>>14986

I like how you demanded evidence that Lunacharsky, etc. were Jews, and then just threw them aside when I showed here >>14983 that they weren't (except Kollontai, who you insist was a Jew even though she is explicitly mentioned as being of Ukrainian and Finnish background, not Jewish.)

What exactly are you trying to prove with your list of what Trotsky claims were "the most prominent figures of Bolshevism" in July 1917? It can't be that Soviet Russia was ruled by some sort of Jewish dictatorship over gentiles, since the Bolsheviks weren't even in power yet. It can't be that these five figures conspired together as Jews, since you've provided no evidence of that (plus Trotsky had spent over a decade denouncing Lenin and only joined the Bolsheviks earlier that year; Zinoviev and Kamenev a few months later were denounced by Lenin as "strikebreakers" for opposing the seizure of power and leaking information to the bourgeois press; even Kollontai was a Menshevik as late as 1915.) It can't be that these were the only *important* Bolsheviks in mid-1917, just the most prominent (i.e. best-known.)

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 No.14992

>>14991

Here's the conclusion:

>OP: Jewish Bolshevism is a Myth

“The praesidium consisted of Sverdlov, Olminsky, Lomov, Yurenev, and Stalin. Even here, with the most prominent figures of Bolshevism absent, Stalin’s name is listed in last place. The Congress resolved to send greetings to ‘Lenin, Trotzky, Zinoviev, Lunacharsky, Kamenev, Kollontai, and all the others arrested and persecuted comrades.’ These were elected to the honorary praesidium.”

Stalin: An Appraisal of the Man and His Influence, by Lev Trotsky (translated by Charles Malamuth), Harper Bros., New York & London, 1941, page 217]

>Most prominent figures of Bolshevism:

Lenin (Jewish)

Trotzky (Jewish)

Zinoviev (Jewish)

Lunacharsky

Kamenev (Jewish)

Kollontai (Jewish)

Beg God for forgiveness.


 No.14993

File: 4c0a4e606518fa4⋯.jpg (641.54 KB, 1080x1471, 1080:1471, 20190524_072947.jpg)


 No.14994

>>14992

Kollontai wasn't Jewish either, as noted. But even then, you haven't actually answered my questions:

>What exactly are you trying to prove with your list of what Trotsky claims were "the most prominent figures of Bolshevism" in July 1917? It can't be that Soviet Russia was ruled by some sort of Jewish dictatorship over gentiles, since the Bolsheviks weren't even in power yet. It can't be that these five figures conspired together as Jews, since you've provided no evidence of that (plus Trotsky had spent over a decade denouncing Lenin and only joined the Bolsheviks earlier that year; Zinoviev and Kamenev a few months later were denounced by Lenin as "strikebreakers" for opposing the seizure of power and leaking information to the bourgeois press; even Kollontai was a Menshevik as late as 1915.) It can't be that these were the only *important* Bolsheviks in mid-1917, just the most prominent (i.e. best-known.)

"Jewish Bolshevism" (or "Judeo-Bolshevism"), in the sense that the Bolsheviks were a party of Jews, or represented Jewish interests to the detriment of non-Jews, isn't proved by the quote.

>>14993

>"These were the leaders of the Communist Revolution of 1917."

Nonsense. I already noted how Zinoviev and Kamenev actually opposed the seizure of power, for which Lenin denounced them.

Stalin's own role in the October Revolution wasn't important (although his activities throughout the rest of 1917 were), but to quote one historian (Roy Medvedev, Let History Judge, 1989, p. 47):

>At Lenin’s suggestion a Military Revolutionary Committee was established in mid-October under the Executive Committee of the Petrograd Soviet, and it began working out all the details of the insurrection. An especially large amount of work in the directing bureau of the Military Revolutionary Committee was carried out by Vladimir Antonov Ovseyenko and Nikolai Podvoisky. The role of other Bolshevik activists (such as Dybenko, Volodarsky, Krylenko, Raskolnikov, Bubnov, Dzerzhinsky, Boky, Avanesov, and Yeremeev) was also very important.

In that list, only Volodarsky was a Jew.

Medvedev goes on to note that prior to the October Revolution, a Military-Revolutionary Center had been appointed to direct the work of the Petrograd Soviet's Military-Revolutionary Committee. This Center was to consist of Sverdlov, Stalin, Dzerzhinsky, Bubnov, and Uritsky.

The Center was never actually able to function due to how quickly events moved, but Medvedev does note (p. 48) that "Bubnov was appointed commissar of all the railroad stations. Dzerzhinsky was directly in charge of the seizure of the main postal and telegraph building. Uritsky took an active part in the work of the Military Revolutionary Committee and the Committee for the Defense of Petrograd. Sverdlov’s signature appears on several documents of the Military Revolutionary Committee."

Of the members of that Center, Sverdlov and Uritsky were Jews.

So we see that Jews were certainly among the Bolshevik leadership and partook in the October Revolution, but so were Russians, Ukrainians, etc. There's no "Judeo-Bolshevism" at work here, just plain ol' Bolshevism.


 No.14995

>>14994

You are a lying faggot. Just trying to spam Walls of Text to obfuscate the truth.

Here's the conclusion:

>OP: Jewish Bolshevism is a Myth

“The praesidium consisted of Sverdlov, Olminsky, Lomov, Yurenev, and Stalin. Even here, with the most prominent figures of Bolshevism absent, Stalin’s name is listed in last place. The Congress resolved to send greetings to ‘Lenin, Trotzky, Zinoviev, Lunacharsky, Kamenev, Kollontai, and all the others arrested and persecuted comrades.’ These were elected to the honorary praesidium.”

Stalin: An Appraisal of the Man and His Influence, by Lev Trotsky (translated by Charles Malamuth), Harper Bros., New York & London, 1941, page 217]

>Most prominent figures of Bolshevism:

Lenin (Jewish)

Trotzky (Jewish)

Zinoviev (Jewish)

Lunacharsky

Kamenev (Jewish)

Kollontai (Jewish)

Beg God for forgiveness.


 No.14996

>>14995

>You are a lying faggot. Just trying to spam Walls of Text to obfuscate the truth.

Says the one spamming the same list over and over.


 No.15000

>>14986

How do you not realize how ridiculous your argument is? Even if EVERY SINGLE MARXIST EVER was Jewish, and EVERYONE ELSE was not Jewish, AND there WAS NOT ONE SINGLE NON-MARXIST JEW, you STILL have not proven a link between Jewish-ness and Marxism--without this link it is just a coincidence. Of course, we all know you can't prove this link, because Marxism as a philosophy is totally opposed to religious thinking. The real question is why are you so desperate to prove this to yourself that you've taken to spamming a list Ismail already debunked?

sorry for boomer tier capital letters but these are brainlets we are dealing with


 No.15002

>>14965

>Jewry is the mother of Marxism

I actually heard that Jesus Christ was a Jew. But wouldn't that mean... no, impossible! Could it be that Jewry is the mother of Christianity, and by proxy, Western European and American culture???

Also that image spelled David Mclellan's name wrong, lol. Full context from Karl Marx his life and thought:

Marx was all the more predisposed to take a critical look at society as he came from a milieu that was necessarily excluded from complete social participation. For it would be difficult to find anyone who had a more Jewish ancestry than Karl Marx.1 The name Marx is a shortened...

1 For detailed research on Marx's genealogy, see B. Wachstein, 'Die Abstammung von Marx'

Pretty weird how people of minority groups that are persecuted might lean towards a liberation philosophy. Nah it must be because of the Talmud, my bad


 No.15003

>>15002

Side note for non-fascists, that same book on the very next page points out that Marx's father was not an orthodox Jew and actually had a pretty bad split with his family, which was Jewish


 No.15195

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What's the deal with Winston Churchill then?


 No.15196

>>15195

He was a reactionary politician with a searing hatred of Bolshevism. He couldn't exactly blame the October Revolution on the determination of the Tsar and then Provisional Government to continue to work with Britain in the imperialist world war, nor obviously could he subscribe to the notion that the working-class of Petrograd was fed up with rule by nobility and capitalists, so instead Bolshevism was treated as nothing more than the product of Jewish intellectuals and the German intelligence service.

I've already written at length elsewhere in this thread why the notion of Bolshevism as a specifically "Jewish" ideology doesn't make much sense.

Churchill had similarly unenlightened things to say about "inferior" races, the supposed greatness of fascism during the 1920s, the wonders of the British Empire, how in regard to British aggression in Greece and elsewhere he was "sick of these parlour pinks always criticizing the internal regimes of countries [allied to Britain]," etc.


 No.15227

My comment on tikkun olam:

After i heard about the saying "tikkun olam" i could see how it has translated in the "jewish spirit" and actualized in words and actions. I once read “thank you for being late” by thomas friedman and it was a long song about the wonders of the social media revolution and digitalized markets that spun in to a praise of the comming Internet Of Things. Along the lines he painted a dark picture of todays situation with a string of world issues one of them being “degenerate rap music flowing everywhere on the internet” (not an actual quote, but similar), but then the remedy, that we should look for the potential, see the brave new world to come, where cows milk production can be optimized via sensors, AI and so forth. In this book he also devoted a whole chapter to praising his jewish upbringing and hometown. At that point i had just been eating a lot of red pills, not so many black, but amongst so many other experiences this stood out: why this blatant self (ethnic) praise in a book about modern digitally accellerated economy?! Other tikkun olammers would be all the futurists, and judaism has fostered a few, from Larry Page and Sergey Brin (don’t be evil), to Jacque Fresco. Maybe also when Leonard Cohen sings “there is a crack in everything, it’s how the light gets in”. I’m not saying that optimism is a bad thing! (A bad jewish invention! :P ). No, it is more just poking my eyes to see such blatant optimists roaming thru this world as scorn as it is. Many people have good reasons to be worried and pessimistic, but somehow it seems that a lot of jews got themselves established in the world in such a manner, that they both can allow themselves to thrive in this worldy chaos – and propel it further. A lot of it can be explained by “them” being on the winning team and by having having granted themselves the status of being the devine chosen people with card blanche to exploit non-jews – where the gold excuse the means it seams.

I also see some bashing of LARPing volkminded people. If any group of people enjoy there folkishness it is jewish people i would say. I have read a lot of blogs and stuff from the horses mouth and a lot of judeo-centric statements is about how jews are “traditionalists”, “occultists (pagans/believers in different kinds of supperstition)” and such. One example was abbout the storry telling aspect of Bob Dylan, that the story teller was an arch type in some old jewish diaspora villages. For me the volk-ideas is among other things about strengh and coherence of a group, and of course jews know that, that there strengh is in sticking together, like any group will be stronger with a common narrative. I also see that if not marxism/socialism intended to destroy community-trademarks and create a gray mass of workers, then it must have been applauded from the top of f.ex. Zionist/extremist organisations as chabad ludovich, given that there end goal is dominion over the whole world. And as far as i remember from reading the bible, it is one declared purpose of the Jewish people.


 No.15228

sorry for bad spelling, not a native english speaker


 No.15229

>>15227

>I also see that if not marxism/socialism intended to destroy community-trademarks and create a gray mass of workers, then it must have been applauded from the top of f.ex. Zionist/extremist organisations as chabad ludovich, given that there end goal is dominion over the whole world

I don't know what you're saying here.


 No.15234

It is very very hard for me to see how erasing ethnic/national/local trademarks or rather characteristics would be of benefit for those groups.

If the Chinese are not allowed to view and identify themselves as Taoists they will be easier to dominate. Can a factory-worker be in line with (his/the) Tao, "the way"? Depends on who you set to define Tao or "god's plan". Imagine stripping Hassidic Jews of their characteristics! How would they remember the two rivers the Nile and Euphrates if not for the curly locks! This was personal speculation. Ido not know if the Payot curls are equal to the stripes in the flag (if it for certain even represents these rives). But surely the peyot is and was Identifiers, signs to identify and distinguish as a group.

I see few if any other group in western society being as successful in claiming uniqueness as Jews - and i do believe efforts are being made to suppress tribal identity-formation in society at large.

Saying that religion is opium for the people is a VAST oversimplification, hard to believe haven been an honest belief of a descendant from a rabbinical line. Even if he was secular, wouldn't he have uncles etc. that would have explained to him the importance and function of ritual and practice?


 No.15235

Sorry about double-posting. I am using anonymized circuit to access the internet out of fear of ADL-blacklisting, making posting here a bit cumbersome.

I was trying to say that whether or not there was direct intentions to use marxism as a destroyer of different groups volk-ness and trademarks that would distinguish them from other groups it would be applauded by groups as Chabad, that view their own tribe as the supreme and has declared goals of bringing in messiah as fast as possible. with messiah comes the noahide laws and for all other tribes to abandon their gods bow down to YHWH

Even spiritually void globalist selfish megacapitalists (that could be seen as satanists (symbolically)) as bill gates or jeff bezos would applaud the "grayification" of every single colorful tribe or nation.

It is very very hard for me to see how erasing ethnic/national/local trademarks or rather characteristics would be of benefit for those groups.

If the Chinese are not allowed to view and identify themselves as Taoists they will be easier to dominate. Can a factory-worker be in line with (his/the) Tao, "the way"? Depends on who you set to define Tao or "god's plan". Imagine stripping Hassidic Jews of their characteristics! How would they remember the two rivers the Nile and Euphrates if not for the curly locks! This was personal speculation. Ido not know if the Payot curls are equal to the stripes in the flag (if it for certain even represents these rives). But surely the peyot is and was Identifiers, signs to identify and distinguish as a group.

I see few if any other group in western society being as successful in claiming uniqueness as Jews - and i do believe efforts are being made to suppress tribal identity-formation in society at large.

Saying that religion is opium for the people is a VAST oversimplification, hard to believe haven been an honest belief of a descendant from a rabbinical line. Even if he was secular, wouldn't he have uncles etc. that would have explained to him the importance and function of ritual and practice?


 No.15236

My opinion: I do not think it furthers the cause of the opposition to Jewish Supremacy to shout "kike" and "faggot". I see it around. There are arguments and strategies wither greater impact I believe. I could see some of it in the category of controlled opposition or agent provocateurs or simply strategically unwise.


 No.15237

>>15234

>Saying that religion is opium for the people is a VAST oversimplification, hard to believe haven been an honest belief of a descendant from a rabbinical line. Even if he was secular, wouldn't he have uncles etc. that would have explained to him the importance and function of ritual and practice?

As noted earlier in this thread, Marx's father was a Jewish convert to Christianity. Marx did not grow up learning about Judaism. His views on religion were substantially shaped by Ludwig Feuerbach, who argued that emancipation from religious thinking was important in order to emancipate mankind (hence Marx's observation: "Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and also the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of spiritless conditions. It is the opium of the people. To abolish religion as the illusory happiness of the people is to demand their real happiness.")

Marxists do not advocate "grayification." They supported movements for national liberation and were opposed to "Russification" and other means of suppressing the cultures and languages of oppressed peoples. After the October Revolution, the Soviet government issued the following appeal to Muslim inhabitants of the former Russian Empire: "Henceforth your beliefs and customs, your national and cultural institutions, are free and inviolable. Build your national life freely and unhindered. You have a right to do so. Know that your rights, as well as the rights of all peoples of Russia, are protected by the Soviets of Workers’, Soldiers’, and Peasants’ Deputies."

In fact it was under Soviet rule that a number of peoples were given alphabets for the first time.


 No.15283

>>14986

If these few cherry-picked people were all Tatars would this prove a Tatar conspiracy for world domination? If there were 6 Uzbekistanis, would it demonstrate the aim to establish some Uzbek nationalist shariah state even though these people were atheist? Literally how can your world view be this simplistic?


 No.15284

>>14995

>stop using ARGUMENTS you fucking kike! my feels > ur reals!!!1 praise jesus


 No.15298

>>14989

Yes, it is one of the most ironically unironic memes ever made. It shows just how utterly self-unaware righties actually are.


 No.15300

@Ismail. I know this is not (necessarily) linked to Marx -

but do you not believe Judaism to be supremacist?

...

The appeal mentioned is in contrast to the initial claim to abolish religion! How?

>>15286

6 Uzbekistan would not hint to anything, as nothing else would point to an Uzbek supremacist global organisation! The secular power of Jews can be proven and documented but hardly be dis-proven. Therein lies a difference between Uzbeks and Jews


 No.15302

couldn't you say marxism promotes a sort of cultural relativism. I came to think of this skimming this page seeing the surname Brandes on Marx maternal ancestral side. Not suggesting a link between thetwo but i learned in highschool about cultural relativism in Denmark being introduced and promoted in late 1800s by Jewish Georg Brandes


 No.15303

>>15300

>but do you not believe Judaism to be supremacist?

Depends, e.g. I don't think Reform Judaism (especially those who emphasized Judaism's "universal" tenets like Elmer Berger) can be considered supremacist, but Orthodox Judaism can easily be interpreted in a reactionary, chauvinist manner.

>The appeal mentioned is in contrast to the initial claim to abolish religion! How?

Because Marxists hold that religion will be abolished naturally, as the conditions that give rise to it are abolished.

To quote Engels, "This much is certain: the only service that can still be rendered to God today is to make atheism a compulsory dogma and to surpass Bismarck’s anticlerical Kulturkampf laws by prohibiting religion in general."

Churches, mosques and temples continued to exist in the USSR for that reason.

>>15302

>couldn't you say marxism promotes a sort of cultural relativism.

Depends what you mean by that term.


 No.15315

This did not make a lot of sense to me:

"This much is certain: the only service that can still be rendered to God today is to make atheism a compulsory dogma and to surpass Bismarck’s anticlerical Kulturkampf laws by prohibiting religion in general."

and then:

Churches, mosques and temples continued to exist in the USSR for that reason.


 No.15316

>>15315

Soviet Politburo member (and later CPSU leader) Konstantin Chernenko wrote as follows in 1981: "To our Party, the struggle against religious prejudices has always been an ideological struggle of a scientific, materialist world view against an antiscientific, religious one. We are waging this struggle only by means of persuasion and education. The Communist Party has always held that all attempts to make believers give up their convictions by coercive measures are not only futile, but also harmful, that atheism can be spread, not through prohibiting religion, but by means of consistent persuasion, by drawing believers into an active social life. After all, you can't order a man to think scientifically."

Closing down all places of worship would have infuriated religious believers. It would have harmed the efforts of the communist party to promote atheism, since believers would have regarded the closing of places of worship as a hostile act against themselves. They would respond by deepening their own faith.

The Marxist approach to religion is to treat it as something which will go away on its own through a long historical period, not as something that can simply be decreed out of existence. Communist parties try to draw religious people into contributing to socialism, rather than scaring them away or violently pushing them aside. There are many believers whom Marxists are able to ally with (such as religious socialists) toward common objectives.

We hold that over time, people will be convinced as to the correctness of atheism, and therefore the number of religious believers under socialism and communism will gradually diminish. Religious believers don't agree with Marxists on this issue. They are free to disagree. Time will tell who is right: the Marxists or believers in religion.

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 No.15317

>>15316

I think he's confused by the Engels quote. Doesn't Engels say here that they should go even further than Bismarck and prohibit religion by law?


 No.15321

>>15317

No, he's saying exactly the opposite. Marxists opposed Bismarck's Kulturkampf since it sought to divide workers against one-another on the basis of religion, hence why Engels is mocking those who attempt to "surpass" this policy of the notoriously reactionary Bismarck. Engels is also saying that making atheism compulsory would strengthen religious belief, hence why he wrote of it as the only modern means of rendering a service "to God."

You can find the context on page 124 of the following work: https://archive.org/details/MarxEngelsReligion/page/n123

Lenin likewise wrote as follows in 1909:

>The proletariat in a particular region and in a particular industry is divided, let us assume, into an advanced section of fairly class-conscious Social-Democrats [i.e. RSDLP members], who are of course atheists, and rather backward workers who are still connected with the countryside and with the peasantry, and who believe in God, go to church, or are even under the direct influence of the local priest—who, let us suppose, is organising a Christian labour union. Let us assume furthermore that the economic struggle in this locality has resulted in a strike. It is the duty of a Marxist to place the success of the strike movement above everything else, vigorously to counteract the division of the workers in this struggle into atheists and Christians, vigorously to oppose any such division. Atheist propaganda in such circumstances may be both unnecessary and harmful—not from the philistine fear of scaring away the backward sections, of losing a seat in the elections, and so on, but out of consideration for the real progress of the class struggle, which in the conditions of modern capitalist society will convert Christian workers to Social-Democracy and to atheism a hundred times better than bald atheist propaganda. To preach atheism at such a moment and in such circumstances would only be playing into the hands of the priest and the priests, who desire nothing better than that the division of the workers according to their participation in the strike movement should be replaced by their division according to their belief in God. An anarchist who preached war against God at all costs would in effect be helping the priests and the bourgeoisie (as the anarchists always do help the bourgeoisie in practice).

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 No.15323

>>7602

>The "over-representation" of Jews in the ranks of the Bolsheviks is irrelevant

kek


 No.15324

>>15323

You've presumably read the whole post that quote is from. Having read it, perhaps you can try to debunk it. This thread has been in existence for over a year and not a single example has been given of how the "over-representation" of Jews in Bolshevik ranks affected its policies or practices any more than the "over-representation" of Georgians, Armenians or Latvians in that same party.

Nor does the "over-representation" of Jews among Bolsheviks explain the conduct of communist parties in countries where Jews either don't exist or have an insignificant presence in the party. There were claims made in this thread that Marxism itself is a "Jewish ideology," but the "proof" of this seems to boil down to "Marx was a Jew ergo Marxism is bad."

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 No.15363

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>>7600

Original OP here, I made this thread I think a little over a year ago now back when I was a Marxist-Leninst, I've since became a Fascist and then as of now am closer to Proudhon, Georges Sorel and National Anarchism (Tribal Anarchism) at least as a concept, I fully believe in the Jewish Bolshevism theory, as did multiple Anarchists of the 1800s, they rightfully saw the Reds as a Jewish perversion of the Left, not only did Proudhon see this but so did Mikhail Bakunin who linkened Marx and the Rothschilds. The charges of Bolshevism and Reds being Jewish have not only been confirmed by multiple sources but also by reality, when one takes up the lense of seemingly "insane" Anti-Semitic theory and applies it to reality you will find in your own experiences that Jews really ARE this way, in practice and theory, Adolf Hitler was right in every single possible way on the Jewish Question, Adolf Hitler did say in his second book that if Communism were free'd from the Jewish and Capitalistic elements and adopted a Volkisch element then it would truly be Anti-Capitalist for Hitler has stated in the Second Book that he rightly as well as many other Fascists as documented in the book The Fascist Quarterly did not believe the Soviet Union was a genuinly anti Capitalist state, rather Hitler and all the Fascists of this time rightly saw Marxism as an EXTENSION of Iron Fist Capitalism for the dictatorship of International Finance Capital. Many Mutualists were lambasted as Anti-Semites for simply stating the obvious that the Soviet Union was ruled by a small minority of Bolsheviks (The ones they listed as the ruling upper echelon of this society were ALL Jews) and claimed that the financial speculator bourgeoisie was a lot more exploitative than the Industrial bourgeoisie (Both are exploitative of course, but the former is far more so than the latter) and Communists at the time scoffed at the Mutualists and proclaimed "The money issue is a non issue" the system of global finance capital and interest was no hydra the Marxists sought to combat at all, Marxism was always anti Lefist and a true perversion of the left despite trying to make Marxism synonymous with the left which has always been the biggest lie of Marxism, that it is leftist. Marxism is a Jewish Capitalist perversion of Leftism and always will continue to be that way, the Jews have mostly hopped ship to Zionism after the events of 1989-1991 in Eastern Europe and in the former Soviet Union's dissolution, which is why you saw George Soros (Big meme man I know) supporting Yeltsin against a revolution to bring back the Soviet Union in 1995, nonetheless the philosophy of materialism and the ethos of Communism are still very prevalant in our very bourgeoisie who are in kahoots with the Jews. You could go into even the smallest of details on Jews and what they did beyond the creation of the Soviet Social Imperialist Empire (Yes the Maoists were right on that theory Ismail I know you've criticised it but it's right in every possible way, both Hoxha and Mao supported it) like how the document Against The Mainstream: Privatization In Nazi Germany was written by a Social Democratic Jew when you look to their origins, or how a Maoist defender of Pol Pot I believe was a delegate of the Canadian Communist Party had the last name "Bernstein". Communists will BEND OVER BACKWARDS just to prove it "Totally wasn't Jewish and this is just a scapegoat against Jews" by pointing at the one shabbez-goy in the Communist party or movement but overshadow the Jews in control and fabricate data on Bolshevism and world Jewry, it becomes comical the levels they'll go to hide Jewry in their ranks, I'd at least have respect for them if they said "Sure we had predominantly Jews in our rank, so what" but they don't do that, many Jews like to conceal the Jew and it's acitivities and that's exactly what Communists do, because Marxism is Jewish. "In the course of history periods of capitalism and socialism alternate with one another; capitalism is the unnatural, socialism the natural economic system... The National Socialists and the Red Front have the same aspirations. The Jews falsified the Revolution in the form of Marxism and that failed to bring fulfilment." - Heinrich Himmler

I was just checking in and bringing forth my two cents here, I'm flattered this thread has gone on as long as it did and I don't appreciate the blind at least uninformed idiotic anti-Communism posted by pseudo-Fascists on here who sure as fuck don't understand Fascism either past blind racism.


 No.15370

>>15363

>The charges of Bolshevism and Reds being Jewish have not only been confirmed by multiple sources but also by reality

Yet this entire thread has seen all sorts of fabricated or context-less quotes and other 'proof" debunked.

>so did Mikhail Bakunin who linkened Marx and the Rothschilds

Which he did without any evidence when his whining about Marx's "authoritarianism" wasn't sufficient as an insult.

>(The ones they listed as the ruling upper echelon of this society were ALL Jews)

Emphasis on the phrase "the ones they listed." Naturally if you were to compile a list of "the ruling upper echelon" that omitted such names as Stalin, Bukharin, Dzerzhinsky, Lunacharsky, Rykov, Tomsky, Molotov, Mikoyan, Kirov, Avanesov, Miasnikian, Rudzutak, Ordzhonikidze, Rakovsky, Pyatakov and various other non-Jews, you'll end up with a ridiculous list that contains nothing but Jews.

>the system of global finance capital and interest was no hydra the Marxists sought to combat at all

Is that why the Entente countries attempted to pressure Soviet Russia to agree to recognize and repay Tsarist-era Russian debts to Western banks?

You are correct that Marxists ridicule attempts to make "the money issue" dominant, precisely because it results in artificial attempts to distinguish between "good" capitalists and "bad" capitalists when as Lenin pointed out both industry and banks had long since united in common cause to exploit the world.

>the Jews have mostly hopped ship to Zionism after the events of 1989-1991 in Eastern Europe and in the former Soviet Union's dissolution, which is why you saw George Soros (Big meme man I know) supporting Yeltsin

You omit that Soros was also active in the 1980s financing scholarships for Eastern Europeans to study in capitalist countries (a program of which the current reactionary Prime Minister of Hungary was a beneficiary.) Soros has spent his whole life in opposition to Marxism.

The argument that "the Jews have mostly hopped ship to Zionism after the events of 1989-1991" certainly isn't accurate either. What about the campaign in the United States and Western Europe during the 1960s-70s on the supposed plight of Soviet Jewry, whose situation was absurdly compared by Zionists and other reactionaries to that of Hitler's Germany before WWII?

Once again you're trying to make it look like "the Jews" supported Marxism before turning to something else after 1989, but that just isn't true. I've already noted in this thread that even in Russia in 1917, the Bolsheviks had little support among Jewish voters, who were more likely to back the Mensheviks and much more likely to back Zionist parties.

>Yes the Maoists were right on that theory Ismail I know you've criticised it but it's right in every possible way, both Hoxha and Mao supported it

Mao and Hoxha supported a lot of bad ideas, why should I make an exception for their claim of "Soviet social-imperialism," especially from someone who is openly antagonistic to Marxism and therefore doesn't even approach Soviet society from the same standpoint as them?

>like how the document Against The Mainstream: Privatization In Nazi Germany was written by a Social Democratic Jew when you look to their origins

I'd be more surprised if social-democrats and Jews had no interest in studying the Nazis, a party which outlawed the SPD and exterminated Jews. More importantly, I don't see why the article being written by a social-democratic Jew is relevant to conclusions. Marxist historians have cited "The Impending Crisis of the South" by Hinton Rowan Helper as a useful source on how the slaveowning system was detrimental to poor whites, despite the fact that Helper was a vicious racist.

>or how a Maoist defender of Pol Pot I believe was a delegate of the Canadian Communist Party had the last name "Bernstein".

Well first off, it wasn't Bernstein, it was Burstein.

Second, Burstein belonged to the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist), a small American Maoist group. I don't know why you'd think there would be Maoists in the Communist Party of Canada in the mid-late 70s.

Third, Burstein rapidly changed his politics after 1979 (although he kept his anti-Sovietism), joining the staff of the Christian Science Monitor and traveling to Afghanistan to report favorably on the Mujahideen, becoming a supporter of "entrepreneurial," "small-business" capitalism of the type fascists idolize.

Fourth, you just claimed that "Soviet social-imperialism" was totally real, so you should be cheering on Burstein for having defended the cause of the Khmer Rouge and Mujahideen against the supposed "social-imperialist aggressors."

Fifth, even if Burstein was actually surnamed Bernstein and was actually a delegate to some Communist Party of Canada gathering, what would be the relevance? I could cite numerous Jewish communists who regarded the Pol Pot regime as a horrific perversion of socialism, including William Kashtan who was leader of none other than the Communist Party of Canada.

>I'd at least have respect for them if they said "Sure we had predominantly Jews in our rank, so what" but they don't do that

It doesn't help your case that the post right above yours is me pointing out that Jews being "over-represented" in Bolshevik ranks was true but irrelevant. No one denies that Jews have played an important role in the communist movement. We deny that this role is insidious or that Marxism itself is a "Jewish" ideology.

I look forward to any attempt by you to substantiate what you've written.

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 No.15371

>>15370

>Emphasis on the phrase "the ones they listed." Naturally if you were to compile a list of "the ruling upper echelon" that omitted such names as Stalin, Bukharin, Dzerzhinsky, Lunacharsky, Rykov, Tomsky, Molotov, Mikoyan, Kirov, Avanesov, Miasnikian, Rudzutak, Ordzhonikidze, Rakovsky, Pyatakov and various other non-Jews, you'll end up with a ridiculous list that contains nothing but Jews.

This made me laugh way too much. Fascist logic is pretty funny.




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