/marx/ - Marxism

“The wretched squabbling systematically provoked by Lenin, that old hand at the game, that professional exploiter of all that is backward in the Russian labour movement, seems like a senseless obsession…. The entire edifice of Leninism Is built on lies and falsification and bears within itself the poisonous elements of its own decay.“ - Trotsky, 1913.

>>810

What's your stance then?

>>826
Beats me
Somewhere between ML and trot

>>1438

I think it's useful to consider concrete principles and political lines that each ideology contains.

>>1438
>>1439

For example as you say you're between the two, which of Trotsky's criticisms do you agree with or which do you disagree with?

>>1441
“In January 1920 [Trotsky] received a telegram from the Ukrainian Anarchist military leader Nestor Makhno, explaining why he, Makhno, was not willing to go to the Polish Front. While continuing ‘peace talks’ with Makhno, Trotsky maintained contact with the Revolutionary Military Committee through Stalin, to whom he cabled: ‘Do you think it would be possible to encircle Makhno right away and carry out a complete liquidation? It would probably be possible to destroy his artillery base if we sent some entirely reliable people there posing as anarchists. Makhno uses hardly any security measures, so we could most probably destroy his ammunition stores.’ Stalin replied: ‘The encirclement of Makhno was started a few days ago and will be accomplished by the ninth. The order [for him] to move against the Poles was issued with the intention of collecting extra material against Makhno.’”
(Volkogonov, Dimitri. Trotsky: The Eternal Revolutionary. New York: Free Press. 1996. p. 158.)

ORDER NO. 1824 OF THE REVOLUTIONARY MILITARY COUNCIL OF THE REPUBLIC.
KHAR’KOV, JUNE 4, 1919.
To all Military Commissars and to all Executive Committees of the districts of Aleksandrovsk,
Mariupol’, Berdyansk, Bakhmut, Pavlograd and Kherson.
The Executive Committee of Gulyai-Polye, with the collaboration of the staff of Makhno’s
brigade, is trying to call, for the 15th of this month, a congress of Soviets and insurgents of
the districts of Aleksandrovsk, Mariupol’, Berdyansk, Melitopol’, Bakhmut and Pavlograd.
This congress is squarely directed against the Soviet Power in the Ukraine and against the
organization of the southern front, where Makhno’s brigade is stationed. This congress
can have no other result than to excite some new disgraceful revolt like that of Grigor’ev,
and to open the front to the Whites, before whom Makhno’s brigade can only retreat
incessantly, on account of the incompetence, criminal designs and treason of its commanders.
1. By the present order this congress is forbidden, and will in no case be allowed to take
place.
2. All the peasant and working class population shall be warned, orally and in writing,
that participation in the said congress shall be considered an act of high treason against
the Soviet Republic and the Soviet front.
3. All the delegates to the said congress shall be arrested immediately and brought before
the Revolutionary Military Tribunal of the 14th, formerly 2nd, Army of the Ukraine.
4. The persons spreading the call of Makhno and the Gulyai-Polye Executive Committee
shall likewise be arrested.
5. The present order shall have the force of law as soon as it is telegraphed. It should be
widely distributed, displayed in all public places, and sent to the representatives of the
executive committees of towns and villages, as well as to all the representatives of Soviet
authority, and to commanders and commissars of military units.
Trotsky, President of the Revolutionary Military Council of the Republic;
Vatsetis, Commander in Chief;
Aralov, Member of the Revolutionary Military Council of the Republic;
Koshkarev, Military Commissar of the Khar’kov region.

>>1688
>still following a hack
Comrade, you got it wrong
Trotsky did not hack
the icepick that went into him did