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 No.829

I am currently a fascist, just to let you know.

 No.830

>>829
What made you switch ideologies so drastically? Are you also a racist?

 No.831

>>829
why are you here

 No.832

>>830
I'm only racist in the sense that I agree that some peoples and cultures are different from others and as such, ought to be treated differently. If it were my choice, I would remove every law in America that gave women and minorities an advantage over others- if they wanna preach equality from a position of economic and social supremacy… Well, I don't believe in it.
But if they want equity with their fellow citizens, I am for it 100%.
As for what changed me, it really was quite gradual. I never before considered authoritarianism, but through diligent study and research I found that-

>Anarchist/Communist/Collectivist areas CAN exist, but grow more unstable and prone to collapse the larger they get. Those large nations that fought for Communism and got it very soon succumbed to corruption and tyranny, faster than any competently organized authoritarian, hierarchical structure.


>Fascism gets results, even better so than Communism in some cases. Before Hitler came around, after WW1 AND the Communist-Jewish revolution of 1918-1919, Germany may as well have been modern Somalia. Hyperinflation, political division, constant infighting and chaos… In less than ten years, he turned this all around, with a booming economy, a generally unified people, and to top it off, almost eliminated unemployment.

The masses are stupid, more malleable than putty, at their worst. They cannot rule by themselves. They need to be guided, and educated properly, to critically think and handle situations well. Those who cannot be guided or refuse to acquiesce to the nation's principles will only serve to undermine and damage the nation, and quite frankly, if they don't like the nation they're in, they ought to move.

>>831
Because I wanted to discuss my own opinion, as an ex-Communist and ex-AnCollectivist. Freedom of opinion is 8chan's reason for being, right?

 No.834

>>832
I mean go on if your set on it
but frankly I don't care and if we were to meet, I would consider you an enemy.
There are irreconcirable differences between communism and fascism and no amount of negotiating can solve them

 No.835

>>834
Let's see.
Both restrict the economy to a degree. Both rely heavily on nationalism and propaganda. Both have one dictator at the top.
The only difference between my ideology and the authoritarian derivative of yours is that mine has killed less people overall, and is at least honest about what it wants (as opposed to modern-day communism which is very intellectually dishonest and subversive).
I'm not trying to flame or troll. This is my honest opinion.

But let me remind you of something.
In the grand scheme of things, I would wage war, I would kill, and I would die, just to allow you to say these things to me. To call me evil. To call me scum. "The enemy".

You know it isn't true. There is a reason you fight for what you fight for, and it is the same reason that I fight for my own principles. We both want to help other people. To make the world a better place. We just disagree on which methods we ought to use to achieve this goal.
What if we were both right?
What if we were both wrong?
Would you still want to kill me then?

 No.836

>>835

One key difference is the class nature of facsism and communism. Gay rights, etc. is all ephemeral compared to it, and not all communists support laws that give benefits to gays and such. However, fascism is a doctrine of class collaboration, it wants to put the two classes to the same purpose, the betterment of the nation. However, this ignores the fundamental antagonism that defines the two classes; the borugeoise wants to extract surplus value from the proles, and the proles want to prevent them from doing so. I'm all for a nation of good values and culture and a policy of anti-degeneracy (so long as degeneracy is defined well), however, I think instead of preserving the capitalist class, it should be destroyed. Fasciscm preserves private property (although makes many concessions to the working class, which is good), communism abolishes it. If Nazi Germany had lasted another few decades, would it's booming economy have lasted? We only have a small snapshot due to the war, and in capitalism booms are followed by eventual busts. I've heard that a lot of the economic growth of Nazi Germany was based on defecit spending, who knows how it would have turned out when the bills came due. However, communism has been shown to be resistant to the swings of the business cycle.

 No.838

>>836
*cont* Maybe if the Nazis hadn't purged the Strasserites and the left-wing faction of the NSDAP, things could have turned out differently. But in that incident Hitler and the state ultimately sided with the bourgeoise over the working class, they took a side, which kind of shows my point that you can't ignore the fundamental conflict of interests between the classes.

 No.839

>>832

I should also point out that Marxism supports a state to organize the economy. I'ts different than anarchism.

 No.840

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>>829

how did you free yourself from it?

we welcome you at >>>/natsoc/ and Ironmarch.org

 No.841

>>836
As far as any swing goes, I'll remind you of one thing- during this supposed recession in America, what have even our poorest still had access to?
Televisions. Clean drinking water. Housing. This "recession" is nonsense. Papa Israel's belt may be tighter around our necks, but we can still breathe enough to bitch about it without doing anything, just like always.
And yes, I admit- Hitler's Germany, in it's prime, would not have lasted like that forever. But just like America, had it gained at least some small foothold, with natural resources and trade, it would have been livable still. And that's all the "proles" want. Give them their iPods, and their cable television and their McDonalds, and I can assure you, the only time the proletarian will be unhappy with their "oppression" and "exploitation" is when communist and feminist agitators start stirring up trouble and making them THINK that way, in between gulps of their fresh, sweet capitalist lattes.

As for your final point, yes, I know. But for a very long time I was an Anarcho-blah, so that's why I mentioned it.

 No.856

>>841

Having the masses engaged in mindless consumerism and being "satisfied" - is that what you want? If capitalism is fine right now, why do you want fascism? In my eyes we are living in something like a cultural dark ages, and the real potential of humanity and society and culture is not being unleashed. We could do great things in the future, but as capitalism is decaying and puts wealth and consumption as some of the highest values of our soceity, we are wallowing in consumerism. Economically people would also be a lot better off. And in the US, for now, it isn't so bad perhaps. But look around the world. There are riots and revolutions all over the place, because people are unsatisfied. Also, we would probably have less wars over resources and markets, which would save tbe lives of a lot of people; even if they don't care about wealth (they do) or culture, they care about being alive.

 No.871

>>832
Fascism is a disease that needs to be wiped out by force whenever it arises. It only arises to suppress the workers' movement and so it should be violently attacked.

 No.872

>>856
>Having the masses engaged in mindless consumerism and being "satisfied" - is that what you want?

Yes. Yes. YES.
Doing that means they are happy. They have satisfied their material wants, and now can focus on themselves. Look at how quickly east Germany turned once the wall fell. Look how quickly McDonald's and jean pants spread through Russia once your fetid, decaying, sorry excuse for an empire finally collapsed! The fact is, humans want things. Sometimes, more things than others. They don't want to subsist under some "Communist" prick who lives like a king. They want to work and earn the right to a smidgen of freedom, a modicum of peace, in an ever changing, ever dangerous world. They want different clothes, they want music that THEY like, they want to be able to speak THEIR minds without fear of harassment or arrest or execution.

>Economically people would also be a lot better off.


In the short run. But I'm thinking about ALL the people of my nation- not just those within my party.

>But look around the world. There are riots and revolutions all over the place, because people are unsatisfied.


Because they had shitty leaders with shitty policies. Has nothing to do with economics, and little to do with either of our ideologies. Incompetent leaders who do not care about the well being of their people are either removed by the people, or the government changes after their death to try and save itself, as in the case of China.

>Also, we would probably have less wars over resources and markets…


Maybe. Just maybe. Provided you get everyone, and I do mean literally EVERYONE to agree with you. Have fun with that.

I'll have fun using this computer I built from parts the free-ish market provided me with to surf porn, learn more world history, and better myself in general. Little of it will be state censored or government controlled, unlike U.S.S.R. books. I will better myself, by learning, not only from my mistakes, but from the mistakes of everyone who came before me. I hope that one day you will endeavor to do the same.

>>871
The only "disease" is unwarranted hatred of those who believe in different things than you. Note how I said "unwarranted". Because there's a lot Communists have done to merit a deep hatred of them.

 No.876

>>872

>riots and revolutions have nothing to do with economics

>personalized wardrobes and fast food are the height of human aspirations

Overall, I think you're quite deluded about the nature of reality.

Also, you call yourself a fascist but seem to be espousing liberal bourgeois ideals.

 No.879

>>876
The most recent ones have had little to do with economics. The Arab Spring uprisings, all these little clashes you've seen- how many of them had to do with economics? How many MORE had to do with incompetent governments and leaders overall, and a people that were not content with them? Yeah, that's what I thought.

As for the second point, what you fail to understand is this- I'm not talking about ALL humans. Just the vast majority of them.
There are those like us whom aspire to creating.
And those like them whom aspire to consuming.
Surely all of us can at least labour for the benefit of others- the burger flippers, the janitors and corporate suits.
But not everyone has the want nor the need to be a CEO, or a Politician, or what have you. The majority of human being just wanna live and live happily, with full bellies, clean streets, and a close circle of friends. And if your system of governance cannot provide even this, you will be removed, sooner or later.

If you refuse to accept this… Well, if I'm deluded in regards to the nature of reality, I can at least say I am not the only one.

 No.880

>>879

You toss around the idea of bad leadership, but what does bad leadership entail? When someone has poor public speaking skills, do the people revolt, or is there something more material to it? Leadership manifests itself in economic ways. Taxes, welfare, public services and infrastructure, these are all economic concepts determined by the leadership and politics. Politics is the concentrated expression of economics.

>The majority of human being just wanna live and live happily, with full bellies, clean streets, and a close circle of friends. And if your system of governance cannot provide even this, you will be removed, sooner or later.


You are contradicting yourself. These are economic issues for the most part. Rebels in the middle east are because of Western capitalism sucking the oil and other resources out of the countries there. The socialist insurgencies in the Philippines and India, are because of economics, etc. Economics is actually the prime motivation for social unrest What non-economic issues could trigger a revolution? There are probably some but the critical role of economic issues cannot be denied.

Actually socialism and communism provide for what you mentioned (full bellies, clean streets, etc.) a lot better than capitalism does. Did you ever hear the saying that we have enough food to feed everyone on Earth, but that it's a distribution problem? That problem is capitalism; the food is not being distributed according to need, but according to market forces.

I'm not really saying everyone wants to be a politician or CEO. What I mean by aspirations is that we can reach much higher heights under communism than we can in the conspicuous consumption culture we have under capitalism. The masses of the people can be elevated from the cultural squalor of today, by eliminating consumerism.

Anyway can you please explain why you call yourself a fascist? I can't see any evidence that you are.

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>>832
Yup.

For a small country like Cuba, Communism (or whatever you want to call it) may work, but for most it just can't.

Different ideologies work for different people, so where Communism will work well for one people (most likely a small country) it would be better for another people to have Fascism (or National Socialism).

Also, Fascism is great for protecting a nation (people, ethnicity, race) and their well-being.

 No.886

>>841
I thought National Socialism wasn't capitalism. It's a third way, neither communistic nor capitalist.

 No.887

>>886
It's basically heavily regulated capitalism. You can go out and start businesses, make money and stuff, but no exploitation/degradation of the people/resources is allowed.

 No.888

>>887

Why retain the capitalism?

 No.889

>>880
It's all tied together. What about social laws that the leaders enact? Those regarding civil rights (if any), curfews and such? These are what I meant.

>You are contradicting yourself. These are economic issues for the most part. Rebels in the middle east are because of Western capitalism sucking the oil and other resources out of the countries there.


So Egypt's government was overthrown because "muh oil" or "muh western influence" rather than having a shitty totalitarian leader? Who knew.

>Anyway can you please explain why you call yourself a fascist? I can't see any evidence that you are.


Why? Because I'm not some caricature of prejudice and evil?..
To answer your question, I call myself a fascist because that's what I am. I believe in a strong, authoritarian central government, with a large military to protect the people. I believe that the glue that holds a nation together is homogeneity and nationalism. I believe in free markets- but not to the extent that it will harm my people, or their environment.

>Actually socialism and communism provide for what you mentioned (full bellies, clean streets, etc.) a lot better than capitalism does. Did you ever hear the saying that we have enough food to feed everyone on Earth, but that it's a distribution problem? That problem is capitalism; the food is not being distributed according to need, but according to market forces.


Fantastic point. Great then, that I am NOT capitalist, but instead, fascist? I've heard of "welfare" and "effective resource distribution". Even in Nazi Germany, welfare programs existed to help those still in need. I have no intent to allow my people to starve. If only so many of your own had felt the same way, eh?

>>888
How many people still managed to die, under the U.S.S.R. and Communist China, due to bad resource distribution, which lead to rampant starvation? There's your answer.
You can provide free markets AND great living conditions at the same time, they're not mutually exclusive unless you cannot into economics (or, for that matter, fucking World History as it's been for the last 50 years.)

Until I see one, even ONE Communist or Capitalist state that comes close to a fascist state at the very height of it's power, this is what I will believe in.

 No.893

>>889
>So Egypt's government was overthrown because "muh oil" or "muh western influence" rather than having a shitty totalitarian leader? Who knew.

Egypt was overthrown because the president fucked up and some social media faggots wanted to play revolution. Nothing changed and Egypt is stabil again. But I guess he was talking about ISIS anyway.

>I believe in free markets- but not to the extent that it will harm my people, or their environment.

But that contradicts itself brother. In the free market corps. always try to make the highest profit, which can only be achieved by selling the most products with the highest price and have the lowest production costs. Hence how much products are sold and how high the price is is directed by the market, the only way to become more efficient is to lower production costs, which means you either have to pay your workers less or produce in the cheapest way which is, guess what, hurting the environment.

> I have no intent to allow my people to starve.

You know that the nazis let people starve because their food was needed for the military in the war.

>How many people still managed to die, under the U.S.S.R. and Communist China, due to bad resource distribution, which lead to rampant starvation? There's your answer.

Where is the answer though? Please tell me how many died due to bad resource distribution. I'm not saying none died, but most of those who starved in russia after the revolution starved because landlords weren't willing to nationalise their land and their products or because there simply was no food due to the civil war and second world war. And China had several famines before the revolution. mao actually managed to end famines in China after the great famine that was caused by a heat period and problems with the farmers.

>You can provide free markets AND great living conditions at the same time,

Yesno. Free market always means that someone has to suffer so that others cna be rich. For example the terrible conditions in the third world are caused by the first worlds exploitation.

>Until I see one, even ONE Communist or Capitalist state that comes close to a fascist state at the very height of it's power, this is what I will believe in.

I believe you mean Nazi Germany with that fascist state. Well, America and Britain both were more powerful then NG and the USSR beat them in a war.

Looking at it from a modern perspective, nearly all the fascist states that exist today are shitholes, even compared to Cuba.

 No.895

>>893

>Egypt was overthrown because the president fucked up and some social media faggots wanted to play revolution. Nothing changed and Egypt is stabil again. But I guess he was talking about ISIS anyway.


Alright. I'll concede that, for now.

>But that contradicts itself brother. In the free market corps. always try to make the highest profit, which can only be achieved by selling the most products with the highest price and have the lowest production costs. Hence how much products are sold and how high the price is is directed by the market, the only way to become more efficient is to lower production costs, which means you either have to pay your workers less or produce in the cheapest way which is, guess what, hurting the environment.


I don't want entirely free markets. Just free enough to make their own decisions. I'm not speaking of economic anarchy, just as allowing concessions of freedom the masses is not anarchy.
And again, just like in every place that is NOT anarchy, there are not only rules, but punishments for corporations should they break them.

>You know that the nazis let people starve because their food was needed for the military in the war.


You bomb their hospitals, raze their farms, destroy their agricultural equipment, bomb their cities to ashen, bloody ruin, and COMPLAIN when our people starve as a result?

>Where is the answer though? Please tell me how many died due to bad resource distribution. I'm not saying none died, but most of those who starved in russia after the revolution starved because landlords weren't willing to nationalise their land and their products or because there simply was no food due to the civil war and second world war. And China had several famines before the revolution. mao actually managed to end famines in China after the great famine that was caused by a heat period and problems with the farmers.


Well, of course. Kill as many people as you need to kill, until everyone can feed themselves again.

>Yesno. Free market always means that someone has to suffer so that others cna be rich. For example the terrible conditions in the third world are caused by the first worlds exploitation.


The terrible living conditions that continue to improve because of charity, foreign aid, and the fact that the world populace has been, on average, getting steadily richer since WW2 ended? Yes, all the death and chaos has nothing to do with them, the tribes, the warlords… Provided, there are many issues with the ways corporations conduct themselves overseas, but they would never be allowed under a fascist state, because they're fucking up the environment and exploiting their workers.

SO I GUESS IT'S A GOOD THING THAT I AM A ==FASCIST== RATHER THAN SOME RON PAUL WORSHIPING LIBERTARIAN THEN, EH?

>I believe you mean Nazi Germany with that fascist state. Well, America and Britain both were more powerful then NG and the USSR beat them in a war.


Let's see. United Kingdom, France/Free France, Soviet Union, United States, China, and some pissant commonwealth states I won't bother naming, versus
Germany, Italy, and Japan, plus a handful of other allies that in the end were not very relevant. All that firepower versus three itty bitty states that, combined, had hardly the size nor resources to make it. And yet, who do you think would have won, if not at least survived, had the Atomic bomb never been created and deployed?

The problem nowadays with fascist states is that they are often born in areas that lack resources, popular consensus, or competent leaders. If we had a fascist state that didn't force itself onto others, particularly in some godforsaken African country, wasn't pissed on and embargoed the minute it was born, it would not only survive, it would thrive.

 No.896

>>895
>>895
>You bomb their hospitals, raze their farms, destroy their agricultural equipment, bomb their cities to ashen, bloody ruin, and COMPLAIN when our people starve as a result?
Well, if they steal food from farmers of their own nation, yes. Oh, and I'm german, so it wouldn't be theirs for me (does that make sense?)

>The terrible living conditions that continue to improve because of charity, foreign aid, and the fact that the world populace has been, on average, getting steadily richer since WW2 ended?

For example Liberia was doing pretty good now. Healthcare and food and schooling and stuff like that. Then they thought about implementing an own north african currency together with Egypt and Syria and bam, revolution. And suddenly, all want to shit again.

>SO I GUESS IT'S A GOOD THING THAT I AM A ==FASCIST== RATHER THAN SOME RON PAUL WORSHIPING LIBERTARIAN THEN, EH?

Actually yes, as you at least oppose the parlamentarian democracy.

>All that firepower versus three itty bitty states that, combined

Germany and Japan itty bitty? Are you fucking insane? The axes had good chances to win the war. But Hitler sucked at war and Japan attacked Murica. That wasn't really smart. Just like attacking the USSR. If Germany would have implemented rule in France and focused and Britain without fucking around in the east, the would have won against the UK. After that they should have regrown ther economy and waited for Japan to also be able to attack the USSR, because attacking from west and east is the only chance to take Russia. But instead Hitler went full retard.

>And yet, who do you think would have won, if not at least survived, had the Atomic bomb never been created and deployed?

Atomic bombs weren't used against Germany. So we would have lost anyway.

>If we had a fascist state that didn't force itself onto others,

But you know, that's how facism works. Or why do you think Hitler had to burn the Reichstag before implementing himself as Führer? If he would have clearly stated that he wishes to become Germany's dictator, he wouldn't have even been elected to Reichspresident.

 No.906

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>>896
>Well, if they steal food from farmers of their own nation, yes. Oh, and I'm german, so it wouldn't be theirs for me (does that make sense?)

Well, I suppose. All I knew beforehand was that you were another Anon.

>For example Liberia was doing pretty good now. Healthcare and food and schooling and stuff like that. Then they thought about implementing an own north african currency together with Egypt and Syria and bam, revolution. And suddenly, all want to shit again.


Yep… *sigh* And life goes on.

>Germany and Japan itty bitty? Are you fucking insane? The axes had good chances to win the war. But Hitler sucked at war and Japan attacked Murica. That wasn't really smart. Just like attacking the USSR. If Germany would have implemented rule in France and focused and Britain without fucking around in the east, the would have won against the UK. After that they should have regrown ther economy and waited for Japan to also be able to attack the USSR, because attacking from west and east is the only chance to take Russia. But instead Hitler went full retard.


Compared to the combined landmasses and populations and resources of Russia, America, Britbongistan and all the other Allied powers, yeah, they were pretty small. They had good chances, yes, but Hitler was running the show rather than someone with at least HALF a brain like Speer. And don't even get me started on that faggot Mussolini. He and his bitch wife deserved everything they got.

>Atomic bombs weren't used against Germany. So we would have lost anyway.


They were used against Japan, which ultimately took them out of the picture. At that point, however, due to Hitler's mad cow disease or just general incompetence, what happened would have happened anyways, it would hae just taken a bit more time.

>But you know, that's how facism works. Or why do you think Hitler had to burn the Reichstag before implementing himself as Führer? If he would have clearly stated that he wishes to become Germany's dictator, he wouldn't have even been elected to Reichspresident.


You sure it wasn't due more to the general weakness of the Weimar at the time?


I'm glad there's some things even /we/ SORT OF agree on. Is there much else?
Do you believe in homogeneity or multiculturalism?
Do you believe in authority or libertarian ideals?
Nationalism or no?
What is your opinion on Feminism?

 No.920

>>906

>They were used against Japan, which ultimately took them out of the picture. At that point, however, due to Hitler's mad cow disease or just general incompetence, what happened would have happened anyways, it would hae just taken a bit more time.


Hitler died before the atomic bombings, in April. The Germans surrendered in May. The nuclear bombings took place in August. Germany wasn't at war with the Allies at the time of the nuclear bombings.

 No.949

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>>832
Mind if I ask a few questions to your second post here?

>They cannot rule by themselves. They need to be guided, and educated properly, to critically think and handle situations well. Those who cannot be guided or refuse to acquiesce to the nation's principles will only serve to undermine and damage the nation, and quite frankly, if they don't like the nation they're in, they ought to move.


ok why do you need to lead them to be assholes though? Why can't you educate them to help their compatriots regardless of what those compatriots skin color is or what they wanna put in their butt at home? What if the nation has bad principles? What if they're bad due to political and economic conditions such as colonialism rather than cultural reasons? What makes a populist synthesis of national ideals automatically good when national ideals change with the nation? And what if you simply can't leave the nation due to economic conditions, would your reich be paying for my ride to Denmark if I don't love it? Really, the love it or leave it thing, you went from Marxism to a Fox News channel sponge?

Why can't you have a Fascism where you can have gay sex with hot Arabic boys smoking on doobies or something fun? Like ok leadership, national solidarity thing, but let's make our values chill like a national synthesis of that Nordic chillnes we see now.

> if they wanna preach equality from a position of economic and social supremacy


Races can be in an economic and social disadvantage in a free market due to their historical position with that nation, access to quality of education compared to peers of a different race ect. I don't get how someone of an ideology that believes a race of people stole from another race can't understand a race can be the robber baron of another race due to no better reason than arbitrary chance.

Fascism sucks though, you can't even have gay sex and get stoned.

 No.950

>>885
I'm really not getting this. I mean, let's have a breakdown of fascist states and their outcomes:

Germany - Split right down the fucking middle after its ideology demanded it make war on basically the entire world. Half of it got taken over by the communists it tried so hard to exterminate, and I bet there was a lot of race-mixing going on when the cannon-fodder first wave black american GIs swept through in '44.

Italy - economically devastated by the war when the rest of the world pushed its shit in. Still hasn't recovered.

Spain/Portugal - Didn't even do the war thing and still ended up a fucking shambles. Even the KING said 'this is anti-democratic and terrible, stop this immediately'.

Japan (may as well include them, the zaibatsu system was similar enough to Italian corporatism): To this day, the only country to get nuked. A hell of a lot of race mixing when the americans set up rape camps (or official us military bases or whatever you want to call them) all over the place. Currently in a situation where the 'pure Japanese race' won't fuck to save its life.

Lots of Latin American nations at various times: Lots of dead and sterilised people, but no racially pure state in sight, I'm afraid! Still third-world shitholes, too.

I mean, I get it: you hate black people and feel like there's a malevolent force keeping you from reaching your potential. Someone told you that force was the Ethereal Jew and you believed them. Those silly baby beliefs are no reason to blithely ignore reality, though.

 No.960

A book that debunks a lot of the "Hitler made the Nazi economy run great" claims: http://bookzz.org/book/814833/034528

 No.963

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>>949
>Fascism sucks though, you can't even have gay sex and get stoned.
Not allowed in communism either, (bourgeois) faggot.

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>>963
Lenin legalized homosexuality in 1917 although it was removed under Stalin due to the Orthodox church, faggot.

 No.974

Speaking of homosexuality, in the long term of communism when the nuclear family has dissolved, and the bourgeois media has long since been liquidated, do you think homosexuality will be more or less common? I imagine it will end up being a free-love type of society. But I don't know about homosexuality. It's difficult to think of dialectically, but I can see some of the contradictions that might be resolved in the free-love society.

 No.975

>>967
The Bolsheviks never formally legalized homosexuality. They just abolished the Tsarist legal code.

The Orthodox Church had nothing to do with the re-criminalization of homosexual acts. See: http://www.workers.org/ww/2004/lgbtseries1007.php

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>>963
They are still considered the first nation to abolish such laws against bumsex, America had sodomy laws past the 80's. This was 1917.

Anyhow this guy is still wrong. I'm well aware of "homosexuality is bourgeois decadence" propagated by communists in the 50's and groups like RCP until recently. That's not true of modern communism though. Maoists in the Phillipines hosting the first gay weddings, Cuba becoming accepting of homosexuality and free transitions for transpeople thanks to Mariela Castro, ect ect.

 No.1043

>>906

>They were used against Japan, which ultimately took them out of the picture. At that point, however, due to Hitler's mad cow disease or just general incompetence, what happened would have happened anyways, it would hae just taken a bit more time.


You are aware that Nazi germany surrendered in 1945 and the A-Bombs were dropped in 1947 right?

No matter if A-Bombs were droppe dor not, germany would have had it's shit pushed in by angry slavs. Mostly because Hitler outright refused to learn his own Nation's history, because if he did he would have known a 2 front war with the allies and russia is a fucking stupid idea.

 No.1048

>>1043
>No matter if A-Bombs were droppe dor not, germany would have had it's shit pushed in by angry slavs. Mostly because Hitler outright refused to learn his own Nation's history, because if he did he would have known a 2 front war with the allies and russia is a fucking stupid idea.
Ironically Stalin thought too highly of Hitler in this regard.

"[Stalin] met uncertainty with ambiguity. He staked out the middle ground without indicating the direction in which he might move. Events would dictate… The one certainty remained his belief, rooted in Leninism, of the inevitability of war.

[….]

In the parallel negotiations with the Anglo-French and the Germans during the summer of 1939, Stalin's dual aim was to avoid being drawn into a war that he believed inevitable, and to ensure that if and when he became involved it would be under the most favourable political and military circumstances….

The Nazi-Soviet Pact did not, by contrast, involve a military alliance, and Stalin refused to conclude one with Germany over the following months. Its main advantages in Stalin's mind were to keep the Soviet Union out of the coming 'imperialist war' … Given his assumption that the war in the West would be prolonged… Stalin envisaged gaining a necessary breathing space because 'only by 1943 could we meet the Germans on an equal footing.' ….

The fall of France shattered his illusions of a stalemate…

That Stalin was stupefied by the German attack in June 1941… [made him] the victim of self-deception based on a set of perfectly rational, if faulty, calculations. He was convinced that Hitler would never risk repeating the error of the Germans in the First World War of fighting on two fronts."
(Alfred J. Rieber, "Stalin as foreign policy-maker: avoiding war, 1927-1953" in Stalin: A New History. New York: Cambridge University Press, 2005. pp. 143, 146-147.)

 No.1051

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>>1048
This is something Nazbols don't get. Stalin never liked nor even planned to cooperate with the Nazis. He merely saw it as two imperialist powers devouring each other and he'd worry about himself meanwhile. He figured fascism wasn't THAT stupid. Never underestimate the sheer derp of the fash.

 No.1055

>>975
and what of us communists who aren't straight

 No.1056

>>1051
> Defending collaboration with fascists
Fucking disgusting. Maoist Rebel News detected

 No.1057

>>1056

I don't see how your post makes any sense given the context…

 No.1076

>>1055
Gulag

 No.1077

>>1076
great to know



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