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 No.9226

Just a few questions for fellow /marx/ists, especially Americans

>1) What do you think Marxists are currently doing wrong in the United States? What do you think they're doing right?

>3) In applying Marxism to American conditions, what are the most important things to focus on? (e.g. such as Central American migrants)

>2) Are there any good (from your view) Marxist / non-opportunist socialist parties in the United States?

>3) Do you think it is worth it, as a Marxist, to engage in local politics / run for local positions such as mayor / city councilor or would one's time better be spent trying to raise class consciousness, etc?

>4) How militant should American Marxists be, especially for a smaller group?

The only reason I ask these is because I've been toying with the idea of creating a party within the next few years. I'm moving to a bigger university next year so I was planning on checking out if genuine Marxists have any actual presence there and seeing if they do anything of worth or if they can be pushed to do anything. For over a year I've been telling myself I need to do something to help the cause instead of just sitting on my ass. I recognize I have to nail my theory down before getting into this stuff so it's been pretty much constant theory reading for me for months now.

 No.9227

>The only reason I ask these is because I've been toying with the idea of creating a party within the next few years.

I think you should give it a more modest name and outlook, e.g. Communist Organization/Group/Club of [whatever your university or town or city is].

Historically most communist parties formed out of existing smaller entities that already had some contact with workers, students and/or peasants/farmers in their locales, e.g. the St. Petersburg League of Struggle for the Emancipation of the Working Class.

>Are there any good (from your view) Marxist / non-opportunist socialist parties in the United States?

The FRSO, WWP and PSL seem alright.

>In applying Marxism to American conditions, what are the most important things to focus on?

Whatever is relevant to the working people in the United States. Communist parties don't just focus on one or two things, although obviously they aren't meant to take over the work of entities focused on specific subjects (e.g. if there's an organization specifically to help Central American migrants, communists can work with it or create their own where necessary.)

>Do you think it is worth it, as a Marxist, to engage in local politics / run for local positions such as mayor / city councilor

If it doesn't exhaust a party's resources and there's a good chance of reaching people, yes.

>How militant should American Marxists be, especially for a smaller group?

Communists should point out that the capitalist class will resist peaceful efforts at political and economic power being obtained by the working-class, but it should be obvious that calling for the overthrow of the US government is foolish.

Already in the 19th century American Marxists explained their approach toward the subject:

"We do not in the least deny that we have little hope for an entirely peaceful renewal of society and politics, and that we may have to fight for the redemption of the working class from the threatening complete thraldom. But that war must be forced upon us—we try our best efforts to avoid it, and though this may be impossible in most of the European States, we must and do consider it possible in the United States, and wherever freedom of speech and of the press, the right to peacefully assemble and organize, and universal suffrage (inclusive of the suffrage of women) are not curtailed by existing laws. We are fully outspoken in our ideas and aims, all our working for redemption is above board, we shun secret organization for our purposes. . . . we are a propagandistic organization which goes hand in hand with the great labor movement that is now refermenting the society of the world; and we shall be revolutionists only when forced into being such by legislation and persecution withholding from us the means of a peaceable propaganda."

(Socialism and Anarchism: Antagonistic Opposites. New York: National Executive Committee of the Socialistic Labor Party. 1886. pp. 8-9.)


 No.9228

>>9227

>I think you should give it a more modest name and outlook, e.g. Communist Organization/Group/Club of [whatever your university or town or city is].

This is a good suggestion, I think it would be a tad grandiose to attempt to found a “national party” right from the get-go with such small resources and barely any members. While I don’t necessarily anticipate anything really taking off one should always work within their limits and be able to recognize them clearly.

>it should be obvious that calling for the overthrow of the US government is foolish.

Yeah, of course. It would be extremely counterproductive in my opinion to do something stupid like kill cops or do bombings for no reason. I’m not opposed to illegalism per se but stuff like that just gives fuel to the reactionaries, especially when you have no one behind you. By militant I guess I meant more of stuff like open-carrying at counter-protests like the fascist rally in DC tomorrow or group outings to firing ranges. Stuff like that

On the issue of running for positions like mayor of my town or running for city council, I initially thought it to be a good idea, but now I wonder what exactly can be pushed through in those positions. The only things I can really think of are pay cuts for the upper positions. I’d have to look at my town’s laws. Thanks for all the help and suggestions as usual, Ismail.


 No.9229

>>9228

>On the issue of running for positions like mayor of my town or running for city council, I initially thought it to be a good idea, but now I wonder what exactly can be pushed through in those positions.

You should keep in mind that, even in a local election, it's almost impossible to get elected while running as an open communist. The reason parties like the PSL run candidates is to spread their message to a wider audience, they don't actually expect to change anything through the current political system (and even then I'm skeptical of how useful running for office is to communists, but that's a different discussion).


 No.9232

>>9229

>and even then I'm skeptical of how useful running for office is to communists, but that's a different discussion

I completely agree with you here. I wouldn't repudiate running in elections entirely if it is in one's resources, but I'm aware of the limits to its effectiveness and usefulness. The higher up you go the less you'd be able to change. It's important to never forget the class-character of the state.




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