Would you abandon humans if Robots with advanced AI were adequate to meet your needs? Anonymous 11/10/14 (Mon) 03:09:29 No. 2389
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Anonymous 11/10/14 (Mon) 03:16:13 No. 2391
I'd abandon humans the second they start perfecting Chobit technology.
Anonymous 11/10/14 (Mon) 03:48:02 No. 2395
Yes.
Anonymous 11/10/14 (Mon) 04:46:39 No. 2398
Anonymous 11/10/14 (Mon) 05:12:17 No. 2402
No, i don't think so.
Anonymous 11/10/14 (Mon) 06:46:53 No. 2406
I wouldn't mind becoming an computer myself.
Anonymous 11/10/14 (Mon) 18:29:42 No. 2433
Anonymous 11/10/14 (Mon) 18:41:05 No. 2434
Of course I would. I want to be with my wife of course.
Anonymous 11/10/14 (Mon) 23:49:17 No. 2474
>>2389 I would take masturbation to the next level, but I still like my family.
AverageGuy 11/11/14 (Tue) 00:36:00 No. 2479
>>2433 Not on the temperature aspect, you moron.
I have a bit of experience in programming, and in psychology too, i would soon differentiate the patterns of an algorithm rather than the one of a sentient mind.
And that would be it, it would feel like a really human like, but empty shell to me.
Anonymous 11/11/14 (Tue) 00:38:26 No. 2480
>>2389 To hell with humanity yes.
Anonymous 11/11/14 (Tue) 04:38:31 No. 2533
Why not.
Anonymous 11/11/14 (Tue) 04:56:53 No. 2536
I'd rather feel loved by a machine than alone the rest of my life.
Anonymous 11/11/14 (Tue) 09:50:09 No. 2590
>>2479 >implying a sentient mind isn't based on neuronal algorithms bigot.
also, i'm sure you are more of an empty shell than the robots you have contempt for
Anonymous 11/11/14 (Tue) 13:08:31 No. 2600
If you could program a robot never to abandon you, why wouldn't you?
Anonymous 11/11/14 (Tue) 16:41:21 No. 2606
>>2600 I always read from left to right, but nice try
doubles nigger
Anonymous 11/11/14 (Tue) 23:59:08 No. 2654
I some ways perhaps but i find life like robots and animatronics ect. really fucking freaky. I'd be perfectly fine with VR though and would enjoy the neary limitless posibilties of it.
Anonymous 11/12/14 (Wed) 00:45:54 No. 2669
A machine is something inanimate. A light bulb isn't human just because there's energy flowing through it's coils. Same thing with robots. It looks like a duck, and it quacks like one, but it never will be a duck.
Anonymous 11/12/14 (Wed) 00:58:32 No. 2675
Considering I used to play Animal Crossing a lot to have some sort of contact with some sort of society that would accept me, yeah I'd take a robot friend.
Anonymous SAGE! 11/12/14 (Wed) 02:49:21 No. 2688
>Would you abandon humans if Robots with advanced AI were adequate to meet your needs? Many people in this thread seem to be answering the question with current technology in mind. The question asks you to answer with a self-set standard in mind. I doubt many people would be satisfied with a partner with intelligence significantly less than a human's, for anything other than a comfort item. With significantly advanced AI designed to act human, an android's behavior would be indistinguishable from a human's. The idea that this is not the case is human arrogance, that we are above nature. This is a sentiment embedded so deeply that it shows up in language: things uninfluenced by humans are called natural.
A problem some people might have is that there is no way to prove that it is conscious. My opinion is that such a sufficiently human-like machine (for example, your mom, who is a very human-like machine on the account of being human) is conscious. It is also irrelevant to the topic, because consciousness is improvable for every being other than yourself, so you would have the same issue with fellow humans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_other_minds Or, if you want to take it to a further extreme, solipsism is the idea that nothing but your own mind is certain to even exist.
TL;DR:
I agree with this guy.
>>2590
AverageGuy 11/12/14 (Wed) 10:14:13 No. 2763
>>2590 Are we talking about science, or sci-fi?
Good luck emulating a 8+ exabite meat brain, with efficient as fuck power consume and volume, with resistencies and transistors.
Anonymous 11/12/14 (Wed) 13:27:32 No. 2773
>>2763 This. We are far, far, far away from ever being able to emulate a human brain. We'll probably get there eventually, like, faster than light travel, colonizing other planets eventually, but fat chance it'd be in our lifetime. The world's most powerful supercomputer clusters can still only emulate a portion of a mouse's brain. Just a bit of it. Of a mouse. And that's just bare bones simulating neuron activity from a real mouse. If you wanted it to be like a platform you could load an identity into, then you'd need sufficiently advanced AI to run on it. Which would require a godlike understanding of how the brain works down to every last cell. And an identity that is entirely sentient but just inherently unflinchingly loyal to its "owner" is a behavior that would make it not entirely human. Would be more realistic to copy someone else's, but that wouldn't exactly be a waifubot.
The human brain itself is still very much a black box. People take for granted just how recent medical science really is. We really don't know nearly enough about it. It's an unbelievably complex organ and one that is just logistically very difficult to study in depth.
So sorry, if you want an unquestionably submissive sex slave you'll have to do it the old fashioned way: abuse. Or you could just not be a terrible person and accept that people are different than you and have their own desires, just as you do, and love them for that rather than despite it.
Anonymous SAGE! 11/13/14 (Thu) 01:26:04 No. 2854
>>2763 >>2773 >Would you abandon humans if Robots with advanced AI were adequate to meet your needs? >if […] adequate to meet your needs From the question, we are talking about
if , so by definition we are talking about sci-fi. I did not take a side on whether we will ever have the capacity to make one. The question is not asking if such robots will ever be produced or knowledge will ever even reach the point of possibility. I agree, our technology and understanding of the human body is not even remotely close to being able to accomplish this. And I doubt it would use traditional electronic devices such as transistors, but rather things such as proteins and perhaps nano-machines. Essentially, if we had the ability to make it, it would be a human, except manufactured instead of grown. Perhaps "artificial human" would be a more descriptive term than android.
The question seems to be impossible to answer "no" to.
>Would you abandon humans if Robots with advanced AI were adequate to meet your needs? >No. >Then the robot does not meet your needs. Therefore, imagine a robot that does meet your needs. >My needs are that the robot is human. >Then the robot is human. The question becomes "are humans robots?" Or, assuming as we have that the question asker specifically means "artificial robot," the question becomes "is an artificial human human?" Would you be prejudice against a person not created by insemination and judge them as less than human?
My position is that to answer "no" to any of these interpretations of the question is anthropocentric, which I strongly disagree with.
AverageGuy 11/13/14 (Thu) 19:40:28 No. 2952
>>2854 It's like an argument i had with a friend of mine about teleporting humans.
>Implying we have a tecnology that can not only scan and reproduce your exact brain, but even the electical impulses in it. >And implying you do not really know how the teleporter works. >So the destination teleporter must have a deposit with all the atomic "ingredients" to make any human body, after receiving the information of your body structure from your home teleporter, to build you a totally new body. Now comes the cool part.
Would you prefer a teleporter that:
Option A:
>After creating the "copy" of you, destroys the original. >The copy will live your life, without even knowing he isn't the original, after all, his last memory is you taking the teleport. Or Option B:
>A more expensive option would have the sending teleporter ibernate you instantly after you're copied. >Then, when teleporting back, the new memories the copy had would be written into your brain, and you will never know you were ibernate because you remember everything you did when you wake up. >The copy is destroyed. Select your poison.
Moral choice, or convenient choice.
Anonymous 11/14/14 (Fri) 03:52:08 No. 2988
>>2773 hurr durr a mouse brain is small and that's all that matters
http://www.genome.gov/10001345 all that matters is fully understanding the mechanisms of
one neuron and how it communicates in networks of other neurons in hierarchies. numbers of neurons i.e. brain size is of little significance.
once we understand how the the brain generates consciousness, developing human level AI will be trivial
Anonymous 11/14/14 (Fri) 11:58:26 No. 3011
>>2988 >Implying we won't just come across more tecnical problems >The brain is just neurons, and not an organ developed in sections, each one the result of millions of years of evolution All we know is that we don't know enough.
Anonymous 11/14/14 (Fri) 16:04:56 No. 3023
>>3011 >more technical problems = moar technical solutions
we didn't need to fully understand how every atom and biological system of a bird worked in order to develop aircraft. once we understood the basic principle of how a wing worked, our designs for flying entities far surpassed what natured produced after millions of years of trial and error.
same principle applies here
Anonymous 11/14/14 (Fri) 19:24:43 No. 3038
>>3023 But we weren't trying to create birds, we just wanted to fly.
Your example is pretty weak.
As your point is.
Anonymous 11/15/14 (Sat) 18:04:31 No. 3110
Anonymous 11/15/14 (Sat) 21:47:43 No. 3129
>>3110 I'm on sleep deprivation, sorry.
Anonymous 11/17/14 (Mon) 03:41:03 No. 3262
>>3038 We aren't trying to create a brain, you dumb bitch, we're trying to create AI, so it was a perfect analogy, but you're too retarded to grasp basic logic.
Anonymous 11/17/14 (Mon) 03:59:19 No. 3269
>>3262 Again, you are missing my point.
A robot that would meet my needs is a robot that doesn't have even a minimum hint to it not being a human.
Because loading the response from a HDD for two seconds while blankly staring at you is totally a human behavior.
And again, i would notice repeating sentences, and stuff like that.
Give me something almost human, and i could settle with that.
But that isn't possible, not in a hundred years at least.