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Nice try /intl/ dindus, but we all know deep down the niggers that you are

>>83890

If every board had no moderation, every board would essentially be /b/ or /intl/, because there would be no way to keep people on-topic.

Unless there was a way where the users could self-moderate, your idea is flawed. Imagine a lounge where groups of people were trying to casually converse and some guy runs up to them and starts shitting, pissing and screaming, your average lounge goer would only have the power to tell him to fuck off, and no matter how many people tell him to fuck off, he won't fuck off.

And moderation doesn't exist to stop conversation they don't like, for all of the 8chan boards I frequent, none of them do this. They either ban according to the rules or to the majority of the board's liking.

If you don't like rules, there's plenty of anarcuck boards like /intl/ or /b/. The majority of us like boards with active moderation, that's why "rulecuck" boards are so popular.

>>83899

>Imagine a lounge where groups of people were trying to casually converse and some guy runs up to them and starts shitting, pissing and screaming, your average lounge goer would only have the power to tell him to fuck off, and no matter how many people tell him to fuck off, he won't fuck off.

>every board needs to either be like /intl/ or /gamergatehq/, there is no in-between

Nice strawman faggot, my main complaint is about things like the first pic. You remember this, don't you Youmu-volunteer? :^)

Even though I personally think spam should go unmoderated, I don't have any problem with people choosing to get rid of it on their boards. But it seems as though this always devolves into the mods banning anything they personally don't like or that goes against the circlejerk, which is exactly why so many people left boards like /pol/ and /gghq/ to begin with (see 4th pic for an idea of how extensive the damage has been).

>every board would essentially be /b/ or /intl/

sounds like you haven't explored this site very much. /b/ has a ton of "unofficial" rules unrelated to the global rules and if you break any of them you will be banned on sight. That's part of why this /b/ is so shitty. It's obvious that none of the people who post there remember /b/ from before, say, 2010 or so, because everyone seems insistent on turning it into a 9gag-tier circlejerk. Because of this, they have also become insanely easy to troll.

/intl/ is the only large-ish board with no rules, and - guess what! - people have learned to just ignore posts they don't like or don't want to respond to. The board never turned into 100% spam either. Sure people sometimes spam it, but nobody minds and the spammers get bored eventually and leave. They are also the only large board besides maybe /tv/ and /bane/ that are still making original content.

There are tons of much smaller boards on 8chan that de-facto have no rules, and they have still managed to develop their own unique cultures. That's because it is not the job of a moderator to "enforce" culture, it arises organically and once you have moderators interfere with that process the board slowly begins to die.

>there would be no way to keep people on-topic.

Why do you need to "keep people on topic" 100% of the time? If you've browsed imageboards for more than like 3 months you'll notice that there is a natural tendency for large threads to go off-topic after a while. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, because people are still talking about what they choose to talk aboutand they're having fun. Imageboard users are (ideally) adults and capable of making their own choices about what they post or read, there is no reason for you to interfere.

>but I can't handle my users acting autonomously! I need control!

Back to my original analogy: if you were having a casual conversation with a group of friends, and there was one guy who autistically kept whining about the conversation going "off-topic", and started 'punishing' anyone who veered away from the one topic he wanted to talk about?

Boards are not meant to be places where you're onlly ever allowed to talk about one thing, they are meant to be communities where the userbase is united by a common interest. So for example, people will naturally go to /v/ if they're interested in video games, and it is a given that any board

>And moderation doesn't exist to stop conversation they don't like, for all of the 8chan boards I frequent, none of them do this

Then you must be browsing the handful of good boards that still exist here, because 90% of the top 25 has become a stale overmoderated shithole full of people who fall for bait and get triggered just as easily as your average social justice warrior would.

>>83902

forgot my 4th pic

>>83899

>>83902

whoops, forgot to finish writing my last point out.

Back to my original analogy: if you were having a casual conversation with a group of friends, and there was one guy who autistically kept whining about the conversation going "off-topic", and started 'punishing' anyone who veered away from the one topic he wanted to talk about, can't you see how it would make the conversation become forced and uninteresting?

Boards are not meant to be places where you're onlly ever allowed to talk about one thing, they are meant to be communities where the userbase is united by a common interest. So for example, people will naturally go to /v/ if they're interested in video games, and it is a given that any board will be filled with people who share that particular interest. If people want to ask the part of the 8chan community that likes video games about something that is tangentially related (or even unrelated) to video games, they should be able to do so because guess what - that's how conversation works. People generally don't want to see the same 30 or so moderator-approved threads every day, and the only people who have stay behind on boards like that are the type of people who are so unbelievably rertarded that they actually get offended by off-topic threads and think "shitposting" is a real thing. Everyone else already left: >>83903

As an aside, the very concept of "punitive moderation" is a meme that needs to die. Anyone who is even marginally tech-literate knows how to evade a ban, so "punishing" "shitposters" will never work and in fact you'll only encourage people to start making threads to annoy the mods.

>>83905

>That's because it is not the job of a moderator to "enforce" culture, it arises organically and once you have moderators interfere with that process the board slowly begins to die.

This should be #1 rule for this imageboard. 8chan needs to find a selling point if it wants to compete with faster boards. Free speech sounds perfect (for me at least) and it has to be enforced one way or the other if HW wants to succeed.

>>83905

>Anyone who is even marginally tech-literate knows how to evade a ban, so "punishing" "shitposters" will never work and in fact you'll only encourage people to start making threads to annoy the mods.

True, but most anons will simply leave. Also, while banning users is trivial to circumvent, sagging/deleting threads (ideas) and rulecucking will fuck up the board in the long run. Anons who were ready to weaponize their autism will realize that they're fighting for someone who's too... defeated to have their back. Pic related.

https://8archive.moe/meta/thread/76640

>>83902

That's not a strawman at all.

>You remember this, don't you Youmu-volunteer?

I'm pretty sure thousands of people have that particular image of Youmu, not just that faggot. I learned that trying to play volunteer on imageboards is a fool's errand years and years ago.

>That's part of why this /b/ is so shitty.

Any /b/ would be shitty, it's inherently a shitty board type.

>They are also the only large board besides maybe /tv/ and /bane/ that are still making original content.

Sounds like you haven't explored this site very much.

There's plenty of OC on boards like /monster/ (Mostly writing and art) and /v/ (Games in development like the 7SU sequel and A&CP, also lots of drawfags).

And the shit that /intl/ makes can hardly be considered original, it's basically shit from /s4s/ with a coat of paint.

Furthermore, /intl/ isn't even a large board, it's not even in the top 25 consistently. It's dying out because the humour is getting stale.

>because 90% of the top 25 has become a stale overmoderated shithole

It's only overmoderated by your anarcuck standards, but you have /intl/, so just stay in your safe space or better yet, make your own website, because you're the one with the problem, not us. Your examples are all obvious bait, and I honestly don't give a shit about /pol/ anyways.

And your analogy is fucking retarded, an imageboard is not like a casual conversation with friends. An imageboard has topics and posts, not "conversation". Your conversation analogy is better suited to an instant message chatroom.

I first started using 4chan in 2007, so don't tell me that I'm unfamiliar with imageboards. Derailing has always been taboo and threads generally tried to stay on topic. /v/ always had a bad name on 4chan because of how much off-topic shit there was on it, it was the laughing stock of 4chan (right after /b/), just as /intl/ is the laughing stock of 8chan.

Just what imageboards were you browsing around 2007? Because I can only admit to being familiar with 4chan before 8chan got going. I want to know where you got your idea of imageboards from, because it didn't come from 4chan back in the day.

>>83908

I'm Youmu-volunteer, I'm Mark, shit I might even be Hotwheels.

>>83908

Also, while I hate humouring someone as stupid as you, 8chan's stagnating is due to the lack of new users. Word is barely getting out about this place, which really isn't a bad thing.

You seem to think that users are leaving but I doubt that's the case.

>>83907

>I'm pretty sure thousands of people have that particular image of Youmu, not just that faggot. I learned that trying to play volunteer on imageboards is a fool's errand years and years ago.

I only learned this recently, but I never had a chance to be a janitor on 4chan

>Any /b/ would be shitty, it's inherently a shitty board type.

8chan's /b/ is a special type of shitty, moreso than other versions of /b/. No other /b/ seems to get so easily trolled, or take itself so seriously as our /b/. Why the fuck does our /b/ have to have "unofficial rules" anyway? I would be okay with random joke bans or whatever, but it seems like the volunteers there actually think it's their job to "remove cancer". On the one board that shouldn't have rules.

>Sounds like you haven't explored this site very much.

>There's plenty of OC on boards like /monster/ (Mostly writing and art) and /v/ (Games in development like the 7SU sequel and A&CP, also lots of drawfags).

>And the shit that /intl/ makes can hardly be considered original, it's basically shit from /s4s/ with a coat of paint.

>Furthermore, /intl/ isn't even a large board, it's not even in the top 25 consistently. It's dying out because the humour is getting stale.

I keep forgetting /monster/ is still top 25. You can add them to the short list of OC-producing boards.

Meanwhile a lot of other small boards, where the majority of 8chan OC is produced, are slowly dying.

/bane/ used to have 400+ users, now it's down to 225

/cyber/ used to have ~200 users, now it's down to 92

/am/ used to have 80 users, now it has 28 and it's one of the best boards on the site so don't feed me that bullshit about "who cares"

/jp/ used to have 60 users, now it has 29

And aside from the drama and spam, /intl/ has always had a small core userbase. Of course, it's shrinking just like all the other small boards are, because people are leaving the site. Remember when it took 250 UIPs to get into the top 25?

You can ignore the problem all you'd like, but that won't make it go away.

>Just what imageboards were you browsing around 2007?

4chan /b/ and later on, the first incarnation of /r9k/. The first time I came to 4chan was a few days before moot fucked with /b/'s CSS and started banning a ton of people, and made that sticky telling everyone he was sorry for "letting /b/ go to shit" or whatever.

Obviously, banning people turned out not to be effective, because he stopped a few days later.

It's funny how people can browse the same site and yet come to vastly different conclusions on these things.

>>83910

everyone on 4chan knows about 8chan retard, it has been shilled to death over there. People don't come here anymore because all of the people who already left have been telling people about how shitty the mods, etc. are here.

>>83915

>Shitposting wasn't really prevalent back then.

Are you sure you browsed 4chan in 2007? A lot of posts made back then would quality as "shitposts" by uptight 8chan swarmfront kiddie standards.

>Metcalfe's Law also explains why people use 4chan over 8chan

correct.

>>83920

I really wish I still had all my old screenshots/images right now.

But please, keep rewriting history. Imageboards were always about autistic walls of text and taking yourself super seriously :^)

>>83890

8/10 enjoyed reading but in the third paragraph you should have kept up with the lounge scenery and peppered in some more humorous metaphorical insults. Some potential by shitposts not being on the menu, then ordering X but the waitress says X is a shitpost, then ordering Y, but Y is a shitpost. Then you could have made HotWheels a manager with whatever qualities you'd like to assign, the infamous IRC cabal meme as a back room poker match, and other visuals like a sign reading "employee's first" instead of "customer's first".

Then you go straight out of the lounge scenery by closing it with your last line.

There was a lot of potential there, especially with the attitude you assigned to the point with the first line. You could have really taken this metaphor to the next level with all the meta memes which have been built up. But I felt like it promised more entertainment than it delivered.

If you think you could get away with a rewrite, that might be your best option.

>>83911

I think removing the top 25 from the top bar discouraged exploration of the site, that's why smaller boards lost users.

>>83890

Also one more thing. Your last sentence should just be "Fix your shit, 8chan". You don't need the "fucking". Remember, you're telling 8chan how it is in an elaborate metaphor, not having an emotional episode in a blog post. In this case, less means more.

Conversely, when you went overboard on the police officers you beamed into the lounge, that was quite humorous and fitting. You didn't lose your presence of writing by ripping into them with your colorful choice of words.

You should play with this transition from overboard humorous insults in your metaphor back to a more stable and witty attitude. Through this tool you can let your metaphor be absurd and affected to illustrate your points, while still retaining the composure necessary to "explain it to you rulecucked morons".

Let's imagine a gaggle of shitposting anime fans dictating how all conversations should be carried out in this massive lounge. Suddenly the fun, easygoing mood of the lounge is ruined because there is a man in an anime zentai suit lurking in the corner, interjecting whenever he determines that the conversation isn't free enough with unfunny posts that only fellow men in anime zentai suits find funny.

>>83933

>a snip of truth

>>83933

>The proof is in all these complaints about board owners

>>83915

>Shitposting wasn't really prevalent back then.

http://8ch.net/4chan/res/344.html