cf514c No.2663
I've noticed that moderators are banning me, and probably others too, for posting dubs. This was allowed back in September and before 2015, but now, it seems mods are cracking down on it more. Why?
Now, of course, let me explain my position. You're instantly thinking "but dubs are cancer". But in reality, they're not.
Dubs posting, when with a sage, is a way of cleansing cancer. If enough people in a community are just posting about dubs instead of bumping a thread, then the thread dies. Any topic of merit would be destroyed in this manner, while topics that people actually want to discuss would still survive and carry on. This is why dubs are important. When done properly, they're really a form of voting to keep a topic on the front page or not.
You might be thinking, "but anything not pertaining to vidya is cancer", and I agree with that if the thread is not about a videogame. HOWEVER, videogame discussion can be cancer too. We don't need threads praising bioware, we don't need threads about Origin and EA because people before the third exodus (who still make up most of the community, luckily) mostly agree that they are bad. We don't need discussion about Life is Strange from some anon acting like he just discovered it because it gives it publicity and because we've already circlejerked over how terrible it is.
The thing about dubs posting/saging in this situation is that it does what moderators can't: Moderators can't ban people for being "newfags" or "posting the same thread we saw today already", but if people agree that the topic does not merit discussion, then sage + dubs will keep it down.
I propose a few conditions for dubs posting:
1. Anyone who posts for dubs without saging gets banned, because that defeats the point of dubs posting.
2. Anyone who dubs posts more than twice in a row (e.g. more than 2 posts from one ID) gets banned. I never do this because to me, that's a universal rule on any forum of discussion. Usually I only post twice in a row in order to correct any spelling mistake I made in the last post, or to check a sweet GET I overlooked.
t. polite dubs poster who wants to keep cancerous discussion off the boards.
2bd4cf No.2672
Probably Pinko going rogue and being a moot-emulating newfag. That isn't in the rules, and it's bullshit. If it's a thread that shouldn't be shitted on, you shouldn't shit on it period, and if it's a thread that should, there's no limit.
6c80bc No.2676
File an appeal. I'll deal with it. I'm getting arguably frustrated by these bans showing up on the ban list that aren't part of our rules. We have a rule against spam, but there's a big difference between a sage dub and posting 100 pictures of gary. We're trying to have the debate about dubs on this board, so no one should be taking any outside action regarding this.
cf514c No.2677
>>2676I have filed an appeal, but I just linked it to this post because I wanted to know why people are opposed to self moderation.
6c80bc No.2678
>>2677Checked.
There's a few threads about this already. I'm trying my best to deal with it. IMO the shitposting from moot leaving has died down a good bit, so the other volunteers need to cool their jets a bit now.
cf514c No.2679
>>2678Thank odin, the third exodus has made the past few days seem like /v/ would never recover. And thanks for checking my digits, I didn't even realize I got dubs.
2ae1c5 No.2680
>>2663>Dubs posting, when with a sage, is a way of cleansing cancer.You're deluded and shitposting, I will report any and all dubs posts on /v/
2bd4cf No.2681
>>2680Fuck off back to halfchan
2bd4cf No.2682
>>2676Really, the old policy works fine. Let moderators use discretion to ban people shitting on good threads or forgetting to sage. No silly 3 try rule is necessary.
cf514c No.2685
>>2682How would you qualify a "good thread" so easily though? If it's a good thread then one or two dubs posters wouldn't be there at all or would not do any damage/stop the discussion.
330009 No.2710
f29bbe No.2711
>>2663Because it's /b/ bullshit that only begets more /b/ bullshit. Really proud of the volunteers for finally stepping up to the plate to deal with this.
>>2680Thanks and keep up the good work, comrade.
574813 No.2712
If it's a thread about vidya (even if you don't like the subject matter) then why would you dubs bomb it?
Also, check:
>>2344 2bd4cf No.2713
>>2712Mr. Pink is not mark. Mr. pink is a pinko that nobody listens to.
1dded8 No.2749
>Thinking dubs are self moderation
No, they most certainly are not. They are shitposting, in its purest form. There is a reason why Moot got rid of them from /v/, and /v/ alone back on 4chins.
244bc3 No.2808
In theory, using dubs to self-moderate sounds like a great idea.
But in reality, we have a bunch of people on /v/ that each has a unique and different viewpoint on what constitutes cancer or not.
Some may post dubs in a thread about dragon dildoes. One may think that this isn't related to video games and it's cancer for the board, yet others believe it's a part of board culture and those who don't appreciate it are clearly newfags or from 4chan. Who's right?
People use dubs in threads about certain topics which they don't like. They'll post dubs in threads about Amiibos because they believe they're cancerous and don't belong on /v/. They'll post dubs in Halo threads because "only console babbies" talk about Halo. etc. etc. and so forth.
The point is that there is no unified consensus among the board of what is cancer and what isn't.
A lot of the times that you see people posting dubs to "get rid of cancer," they're just really posting dubs to derail a thread so no one can discuss something that they don't like on the image board they frequent.
TL;DR: Dubs cannot be used to properly moderate the board because everyone who uses /v/ has their own idea of what /v/ should be about, and will deem whatever they don't like or agree with as "cancer."
The best way to self-moderate a board happens to be the least emotionally satisfying way: Hiding, ignoring, and reporting threads.
If you can learn to do that, then you're the real MVP.
2bd4cf No.2810
>>2808>HIDE AND IGNORE THE TUMORNo, that doesn't work. You are literally retarded. That is not self-moderation, you do not rule terms, you cannot change their definitions you shitty little cuckchan SJW.
/a/ has used traditional numeral self moderation for years. /a/ was much better than /v/. You can have your opinion but you do not get to deny reality.
574813 No.2811
>>2808I agree wholeheartedly.
cf514c No.2820
>>2808>>2810Hiding and ignoring encourages people to still talk about it. Everyone who uses /v/ has their own idea of what's cancerous or not, yes, but one or two anons do not kill a thread.
Dubs/sage posts are like wind, and posts are like trees. If the trees survive the wind, then they are worthwhile. If not, then they should not have been there. I don't mean to imply that every post deserves to be attacked by at least one dubs poster, but whether or not it's successfully derailed into autosage is a pretty good reflection of the thread's quality. And there are things that the native community can almost completely agree on, like Bioware approval threads being cancer or "hey I just discovered Life is Strange have you heard of it guise" threads.
76a3d7 No.2850
>>2820Kill bad threads with trolling you faggot. That's how we did in the old days, and it was good enough.
bcc758 No.2853
>>2810
>/a/ has used traditional numeral self moderation for years. /a/ was much better than /v/./a/ also had less people posting on it than /v/ by a wide margin. It was easier to develop a concrete sense of board cohesion there.
It's hard to develop cohesion on a board that sees 808 posts per hour compared to a board that sees 40 posts per hour.
2bd4cf No.2856
>>28538/v/ is slower than half/a/ was. Half/a/ was the third fastest board on halfchan, it was nearly equal to /v/'s speed.
You're just plain wrong.
bcc758 No.2857
>>2820>Hiding and ignoring encourages people to still talk about it.If it's related to video games, does not violate any rules, and the volunteers and admin have no issue with it being discussed, then why try to stop it?
Is self-moderation about enforcing rules or is it about establishing and enforcing the culture of the board so that /v/ doesn't become populated with users who support topics about things that others hate?
Driving out certain opinions and enforcing an environment where only certain things can be talked about and certain ideas can be expressed is almost exactly what a "hugbox" is like, and I've seen shitposters ironically try to push video game-related content off the site to prevent /v/ being a "hugbox."
2bd4cf No.2859
>>2857People don't tolerate certain shit on /v/ for the same reason /a/ doesn't tolerate naruto.
If you don't understand that, if you want to wallow in shit taste, there are a million other places to do it.
bcc758 No.2862
>>2859
>Shit tasteYou have a board where tastes differ from user to user. There is no consensus on what constitutes as "shit taste" and their shouldn't be either.
/v/ shouldn't be like /a/ or /mu/. Elitism turns boards into hugboxes.
2bd4cf No.2863
>>2862Elitism keeps the casual faggots away. /a/ retained quality, you admitted that, but you claimed it doesn't work on /v/ because of post count. You were wrong, and stupid, and now you're backpedaling because you're an angry faggot with shit taste.
If you can't properly differentiate between their and there, you are probably underage, too.
Please, get out. Go back to reddit to wallow in shit.
It's not like fighting game fags raid fps fags who raid action game fags, it's just the most popular most casual shit that gets shut the fuck down, so that more casual shitters like the millions of underage codfags don't start flooding the board and driving the original userbase out.
>Elitism turns boards into hugboxesLaughable IDIOCY.
People with passion, with discriminatory taste, are always more contentious. Every thread on /a/ was an argument, except when something was almost universally recognized to be shit. When most of a community forces fucking trash out because it's terrible, that's the opposite of a hugbox.
5f5e0d No.2866
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I just got a 3 day ban for using dubs when the thread was turning into console wars. I made 9 dubs posts but they ignored my 40 posts before then talking about the topic.
7fdfa1 No.2881
fuck you faggot, you are cancer. dubs is not cleansing shit, you are ruining threads. go fuck off back to cuckchan with your faggotry. if you dont like a fucking thread, hide it. kill yourself you piece of shit loser with too much time on your fucking hands.
5f5e0d No.2884
>>2881Someone seems upset for some reason.
8a7c81 No.2889
>>2884You sure you're not speaking about yourself? I'll explain in a second.
>>2863
>When most of a community forces fucking trash out because it's terrible, that's the opposite of a hugbox.
>Community supports idea
>Community doesn't tolerate anything contrary to said idea.
>Community drives out anything that's contrary, or even so much as resembles criticism of said idea.
>Somehow, this is not a variation of a hugbox.Perhaps the term "echochamber" is more appropriate, but my point stands.
Elitism is bad for any board, and those who would support elitist behavior for a board are those who cannot tolerate the fact that other people in this world have different tastes in video games/anime/music/etc.
If you're so scarred of /v/ being overrun by "millions of underage codfags," as you put it (or, in another way of saying it, "people who like things you don't like), you just need to grow up and realize that you're not entitled to force others, through shitposting, to adopt and to adhere to a certain way of thinking.
∞chan was founded under the guiding principles of free speech. Ruining or drowning out rule-abiding conversations through dubspamming and shitposting is not "self-moderation." It's censorship. You are preventing ideas and opinions being shared to maintain or further your own goals. They call that "censorship."
Judging by the volunteers' actions against you, they either partially or fully don't subscribe to your line of thought.
You should grow up and accept that what you're doing is harming the board and it's quality more so than any "casual codfag" would ever do.
2ae1c5 No.2890
>>2866>I just got a 3 day ban for using dubsgood
2bd4cf No.2898
>>2889I just explained to you how something of shit quality getting forced out isn't a fucking hugbox, you stupid fuck, kill yourself.
>Treating videogames like political speech>People can't have a community>Community has to tolerate everything, has to like everything I likeIf nothing bad was allowed to be said about certain subjects, that would be a hugbox. If the majority of other users call a game SHIT and tell faggot casuals to fuck off, that has nothing to do with hugboxes, that is them calling your taste shit. Now you go fuck off back to any of the hundreds of places where people aren't allowed to hurt your feelings you crying little faggot, and you leave this place to the people that like it the way it is instead of trying to invade and force other people to tolerate your shit taste.
8a7c81 No.2904
>>2889
>Community has to tolerate everything, has to like everything I like.
>Implying I ever said this.You don't have to like what I like, but to consciously choose to enter into a thread about something you specifically do not like and to post something similar to "HURR DURR UR TASTE IS SHIT! THIS GAME/SERIES/CONSOLE/ETC. IS SHIT! OYY VEY! I SAGE U! LE EPIN MEME! AYYLMAO CHECK'EM" when you could have just ignored the thread, or started your own thread about what you like, is harming /v/.
I'm not advocating for my opinions to go unchallenged. But shitposting and dubspamming something you disagree with isn't "challenging" someone's opinions.
>Now you go fuck off back to any of the hundreds of places where people aren't allowed to hurt your feelings you crying little faggot, and you leave this place to the people that like it the way it is instead of trying to invade and force other people to tolerate your shit taste.
>All this mad.I think everyone in this thread besides myself can agree that ∞chan and /v/ needs less of people like you.
2bd4cf No.2907
>>2904If you allow cancer to fester, it grows. You let faggots set up camp, they spread and soon their shit taste is all over the board. You DON'T tolerate rec threads on /a/, you shun people creaming themselves over how great really shitty shows are, you toss out the narutofags, because you don't fucking want casuals flooding the board.
YOU aren't wanted here. There are other people that actually play good shit, that have established a community here. They don't like people like you, and your insistence on forcing your way onto the board despite people collectively telling you to fuck off is just obnoxious.
>Hurr, why are you all such ELITISTS, why don't you want me and my little brother and my literally retarded cousin to talk about leet quikscopesWhy do you insist on doing it here? You know we're elitists, yet you insist on bringing your shit taste here. Why do you think casual faggots should be allowed to replace the community, faggot?
You never answer this point, you never even address it. Why should people stop having opinions? Why should people do nothing while you shit in the pool? If you do it and get away with it, you do it again. Then you bring your friends, then they bring your friends, then the pool is a toilet and the swimmers have to go find another pool, then you disgusting filthy shitters follow them and start shitting in their new pool.
Why should we do nothing and let you perpetuate the cycle, faggot? Why should WE leave, when this is our place and we were here first? YOU fucking leave, go back to your toilet.
7fdfa1 No.2909
>>2907>If you allow cancer to fester, it grows. You let faggots set up camp, they spread and soon their shit taste is all over the board. go make your own board you fucking faggot. no one gives a shit about your idealism or schizophrenic logic. hide the fucking thread.
0fd9d2 No.2910
>>2907>Why should WE leave, when this is our place and we were here first? What is this "we" shit?
2bd4cf No.2915
>>2910He addressed "elitists", he whined about elitism as if /a/'s elitism wasn't what saved it from the tide for so long. I was using "we" to refer to people with actual tastes and standards, unlike this faggot, who is basically reiterating the same shit /a/ had to deal with every day with narutofags crying on /q/ back when that was a thing. Learn to reading comprehension.
I could probably go fetch the archive and just copy paste responses from those old tired arguments instead of typing them out myself.
8a7c81 No.2920
>I was using "we" to refer to people with actual tastes and standards.What are these "actual tates and standards" that you're referring to, specifically?
Do you even know? Can you tell me?
Are these something that are shared throughout the entire board? Can you prove it if that were the case?
Your idea of what "actual taste and standards" are of your own. You make it out as if there exists some consensus of what constitutes "actual taste and standards," and that those who don't adhere to them needs the get out.
Explain to me what it is. I've been here since September, and I've been on 4chan /v/ regularly since 2007. I don't know what you're referring to.
My tastes aren't your tastes. My standards aren't your standards. You act like your idea of "tastes and standards" is visibly reflected among the entire board, and that you're speaking for everyone when you say you know what's best for ∞/v/.
Here are some points that you don't seem to understand, so I've emboldened them to hopefully help you comprehend them.
1. YOUR TASTES AND STANDARDS ARE OF YOUR OWN AND NOBODY ELSE'S.2. MANY PEOPLE WHO BROWSE ∞/V/ HAVE TASTES AND STANDARDS THAT ARE DIFFERENT AND CONTRARY TO YOUR OWN, AND VICE-VERSA.3. THIS IS NORMAL, AND IT'S OKAY.4. IT ISN'T OKAY TO SHITPOST AND DUBSPAM THREADS AND DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THINGS YOU DON'T LIKE. THE VOLUNTEERS AGREE WITH THIS SENTIMENT, AND YOUR 3-DAY BAN IS PROOF OF HOW MISGUIDED YOU ARE.5. WHAT YOU DO NOT LIKE =/= CANCER. THERE IS NO CLEAR CONSENSUS ON WHAT "CANCER" IS. THERE NEVER HAS BEEN, AND NEVER WILL.6. DUBSPAMMING AND SHITPOSTING IN THREADS IN THREADS OPERATING WITHIN THE RULES JUST BECAUSE YOU OR A GROUP OF PEOPLE CONSIDER IT "CANCER" CONTRIBUTES TO THE DECLINE OF QUALITY OF THE BOARD, JUST AS IT HAS DONE IN THE PAST. NOT EVERYONE WHO CAME HERE DID SO BECAUSE OF #GAMERGATE. SOME OF US CAME TO GET AWAY FROM THE SHIT THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO INSTIGATE NOW.7. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE A TOPIC ON BEING DISCUSSED ON /v/, IGNORE IT. IF YOU THINK IT'S AGAINST THE RULES, REPORT IT. IF NOTHING HAPPENS AFTER YOU REPORT IT, GUESS WHAT? IT'S NOT AGAINST THE RULES. DEAL WITH IT OR LEAVE AND MAKE YOUR OWN BOARD.8. IT'S OKAY TO NOT LIKE THINGS, BUT DO NOT BE A DICK ABOUT THE THINGS YOU DO NOT LIKE.9. SAGE IS NOT A DOWNVOTE. WHAT WAS THE POINT OF SAGING ON >>2898 ?I hope you now understand my points, as I've made them as simple as possible.
5f5e0d No.2921
>>2920Wait I don't you understand. I "spammed" 9 dubs. But 40 of my posts were on topic of the thread. I called for dubs after some anons tried to turn the obvious bait thread into console wars.
6a7ca1 No.2923
Quit with the "Everything is subjectiiiiive!" horsecrap.
If half the board are dubsaging a thread into oblivion, then it needed to be dubsaged into oblivion.
Let the board have its fucking culture. We are not a hugbox where all are welcome with sunshine and rainbows because they post some stupid shit tangentially related to vidya.
Lurk more or post your bullshit and get dubz'd to death. It has kept the quality of the board high since the First Exodus compared to what happened to half/v/.
No bans for dubs unless its some autist spamming them, as in LITERALLY spamming them, for lulz. Let the community decide what is and isn't a good thread.
>>2820THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE.If a thread is worth discussing, a few dubsposts by a faggot won't do shit to stop it. Take that power from the community though, and shitposts will thrive, mod work goes up, and board quality goes down.
2bd4cf No.2924
>>2920So you restate your whines
>YOU MAY NOT DISLIKE THING>YOU MAY NOT EXPRESS DISLIKE FOR THING>IGNORE MY SHITPOSTING, IGNORE ME BRINGING MY FRIENDS TO SHITPOST, IGNORE THEIR FRIENDS COMING TO SHITPOST, IGNORE THE BOARD FILLING WITH SHIT AND DO NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT>DON'T BE MEAN TO ME BECAUSE I'M AN IDIOT CASUALAnd yet you don't reply to my question.
WHY should elitists allow casual fucks to turn their pool into a toilet? Why should the community stop having standards, and allow your ilk to flood the board and replace them, drive them out, and then follow them to the next pool? Why can't you stay on reddit?
And as for "what are standards" generally, people don't go fuck with other games they're not interested in. When something is SO bad that people with a wide variety of tastes can recognize it as bad, casual, low skill ceiling, possessing a particularly disgusting player / fanbase, etc, like CoD, they tell it to fuck off so faggots don't flood the board thinking that this is another place that welcomes them.
>All discussions about anything are fine because /v/ is /b/Nope. /v/ is for people that actually like and play videogames, not for faggots talking about shit that has no relation to videogames, or casuals to come in and shitpost lowest common denominator trash, or autists to talk about their latest fetish or celebrity obsession or retard stalking target. /v/ is a community, not a board. We can survive without the board, but without us the board is nothing. We've moved before, when it became hostile to the community. YOU, cuckchan slave, you followed us here, and now you whine and complain because we aren't cringing and biting our nails and worshiping the ground moot walks on, constantly fearing reprisals should we tell idiots to get the fuck out and go back to where they belong.
Go back to cuckchan, faggot. Go on back to your toilet. You got SJW kikes to bind our hands and throw us out of our last place, you won't do it here you little faggot.
2bd4cf No.2925
>>2920Also, you dumb faggot, learn to read IDs. I'm not OP, and I've never been banned for dubsposting. I use it sparingly, when appropriate. The bulk of the times I've used it have been on /a/, for naruto threads.
5f5e0d No.2926
>>2922I was talking with the people who actually wanted a discussion. and only when the thread turned in console wars did I go for dubs. Go check the thread yourself
843496 No.2968
>>2676So, was it actually decided to crack down on it? Because you guys have Blue in another thread on here stating that it's "an actual problem that we decided to crack down on well before this thread was made." Or does that only pertain to /v/ and not /metav/?
397cc7 No.3004
Thank you mods for doing something about dubs spammers. Do it for free more often, please.
397cc7 No.3005
And of course, don't forget to report dubs spam wherever it occurs, otherwise mods can't help us.
2d437f No.3021
>>2663people should be able to talk about videogames you do not like. you dont get to have veto power over any and all topics on /v/. if it is about vidy then i belongs on /v/ and your attempt to fuck up discussion should be met with a ban
4f5a66 No.3027
>>3021I stand with this opinion.