95c560 No.3197
The board is going to shit.
It's because asshole who want to take it into their own hands to moderate the board instead of letting moderators do it. I've wanted to report countless assholes who pop into the thread to not even have a pretense of starting a conversation and just shitting on the thread with sage or dubs posting and I can't report them because they're not breaking any rules.
I've had many fine thread interrupted because some asshole didn't like what was being said or didn't like what the OP was saying so he decided to take it into his hands to moderate the board and try and get the thread removed as fast as possible because it offended him in some way.
If you're not going to fucking ban this then you need to at least fucking take precautions against it.
I suggest simply this.
Make saged post not count towards the bump limit. This will remove dumbasses who like to use sage as a downvote. If their post doesn't count towards the final bump limit then that means that the post they took up wont take up valuable posts that others could use to actually talk about the topic.
The second suggestion is make off topic a bannable offense. If your post has nothing what so fucking ever to do with either the OP, what other anon's are talking about, or video games, if the post literally only says something extremely condescending and purely made to aggravate then it needs to at least be deleted.
The third suggestion is more to reduce the number of people replying to the posts upon entering the thread and make shitposters who use sage as a downvote less visible. It's simply, auto-hide all saged posts upon entering the thread. Sage is meant to be used when your post is off topic, it's meant to give leeway for anon's who don't always post on topic, such as asking for source or mentioning a game that isn't a part of the topic at hand, or even helping another anon out. So a majority of other people won't need or care to see the posts anyway. If they're hidden they can easily be unhidden as well for anyone who actually wants to see them. This way you can also cut down on the idiots who just jump into a thread purely because they saw dubs as well.
You could easily just ban dubs posting, sage bombing, and posters trying to act in place of a mod, but I know Mark's feelings towards dubs, so thats likely not going to happen. But could you at least make it easier on the posters who actually want to talk about video games?
95c560 No.3203
>>3197>The second suggestion is make off topic a bannable offense. If your post has nothing what so fucking ever to do with either the OP, what other anon's are talking about, or video games, if the post literally only says something extremely condescending and purely made to aggravate then it needs to at least be deleted.Forgot to add: This rule should only apply to non sage posts. The rule should specifically exempt saged posts from this in order for the whole idea to work.
c296fc No.3205
>>3197>It's because asshole who want to take it into their own hands to moderate the board instead of letting moderators do it.Basically you're saying you're a faggot who wants to shitpost all he can, because he feels entitled to shitpost.
Or you can provide examples of a good and worthwhile thread getting sagebombed/dubs posted into oblivion.
95c560 No.3208
>>3205>Basically you're saying you're a faggot who wants to shitpost all he can, because he feels entitled to shitpost.No. I don't even fucking see where you get this.
>Or you can provide examples of a good and worthwhile thread getting sagebombed/dubs posted into oblivion.I don't need to the frontpage of Metav is five posts complaining about decreasing board quality and suggesting ways to fix it.
What you're doing right now is completely counterproductive too since it's mostly just an attempt to call me a shitposter instead of actually try and point out the flaws in my posts with hopes of improving or discarding them.
I get the feeling the only people who are actively protesting regulations on shit like sagebombing and dubs spam are people who do it.
Self moderation is cancer. Especially when the "community" is a bunch of anonymous posters who would rather shitpost dubs than talk about video games and ignore threads they don't like.
c296fc No.3210
>>3208>What you're doing right now is completely counterproductive too since it's mostly just an attempt to call me a shitposter instead of actually try and point out the flaws in my posts with hopes of improving or discarding them.Ok.
Posts aren't the main issue. The original post that makes the thread is the main issue. The OP of a thread is more important than every single post inside of it. Since the OP is what is always shown in the catalog/image board page.
>How do we improve post quality?Delete any thread that doesn't have a worthwhile OP.
A worthwhile OP is:
Not greentext
Not a single sentence/question
Directly discussing a video game or video game franchise
Not e-celebs, not tech (graphics cards/rate my conputer), not reccomendation (which game has x in it???) or similar to those. MAKE IT ABOUT A VIDEO GAME OR VIDEO GAME FRANCHISE.
Suddenly everyone has a basis for making good posts. Since they are replying to good threads.
ALSO
If the OP doesn't respond to the posts in his thread within a given time frame/post limit then it should be ruled that he is not interested in his own thread and the thread should be deleted.
After all of this has been put in effect efficiently you can start looking at in-thread post quality.
>I get the feeling the only people who are actively protesting regulations on shit like sagebombing and dubs spam are people who do it.Probably, because its the only effective way to remove shit threads. That's how things used to work before eternal summer happened on halfchan AND IT WORKED.
>Self moderation is cancer.Yet just a few months ago, self-moderation kept the board quality high. What kind of severe cognitive dissonance do you have? The reason dubs and sagebombing has increased is because the quality of the board has gone to shit. Dubs and sagebombing being a "problem" isn't the disease of bad quality. Its a symptom of the disease of shitposting.
95c560 No.3214
>>3210>Delete any thread that doesn't have a worthwhile OP.This is retarded because /v/ is a video games board, we talk about anything video games regardless of what you think is shit or not.
Be it recomendation or E-celeb.
>Suddenly everyone has a basis for making good postsEveryone already has a basis for making good posts. Sagebombers and dubs spammers are the only people making bad posts at the moment.
>If the OP doesn't respond to the posts in his thread within a given time frame/post limit then it should be ruled that he is not interested in his own thread and the thread should be deleted.This is even more retarded. Many people have dynamic IPs, they could make a thread and switch their IP over get a new ID and it would still be deleted regardless of if he posted.
>Probably, because its the only effective way to remove shit threadsNo. The effective way is to punish bad posting habits.
>Yet just a few months ago, self-moderation kept the board quality highIt didn't. Self moderation did jack. It was the fact that the community was small enough it didn't NEED self moderation.
> The reason dubs and sagebombing has increased is because the quality of the board has gone to shit.No Sagebombing and dubs posting have always been shit, and ben the main problem with the board. The problem now is that people like you want to derail threads you don't like because you think they're shit when you should be hiding them instead. If a thread is bad, then don't post. If no one posts it dies.
If you sage bomb it, all you're doing is showing that you're so fucking offended by this thread's existence you're actively trying to get it out of the public's eye and thus censoring it.
Sage bombing and dubs posting is the bad quality posting here, not the OPs.
c296fc No.3218
>>3214>Be it recomendation or E-celeb.Then defend those threads. You know how they go. Tell anyone out there who is watching exactly what is video games about someone posting a thread with a game grumps image and only the text "IM SO GRUMP" or whatever it is.
>Everyone already has a basis for making good posts. Sagebombers and dubs spammers are the only people making bad posts at the moment.Again, prove it. I see tons of shitposting threads like
http://8ch.net/v/res/2161620.htmlArgue how these threads set a basis or precedent for making good posts.
>This is even more retarded. Many people have dynamic IPsProve it. 99% of the case I can hold a discussion with an individual person for hours. And deletion of a thread is not a big deal. If the worst happens and the OP can't respond to the thread within the... lets say first 5 minutes of the thread (because any later than that and it will be buried already) then there won't be enough posts for the thread to be any real loss. And if anyone thinks the thread was good they could just make it on a non-static IP after it disappears (the OP should be able to state that the unfortunate happened). It wouldn't do any harm. It would strengthen the community.
And I'd rather support a... lets say 20 minute time limit or 50 posts limit for this than 5 minutes.
>The effective way is to punish bad posting habits.Which is exactly what dubs posting and sage bombing does. You're contradicting yourself.
>It didn't. Self moderation did jack.>No Sagebombing and dubs posting have always been shit, and ben the main problem with the board. Seems like you just have an axe to grind because you post shit threads that get sagebombed. Still waiting for examples of threads that were dubs/sagebombed and didn't deserve it. So far it seems you can't provide a single example. Which only bodes well for my argument.
95c560 No.3220
>>3218>Again, prove it. I see tons of shitposting threads likeAnd were done here. You have single handidly proven that you're a giant retard in that single example you provided and if anything you proved my point.
You're so fucking eager to defend dubs shit as board culture but when it actually comes to culture surrounding video gamesyou don't fucking care because you personally don't like them
You're just opinionated.
c296fc No.3225
>>3220>You're so fucking eager to defend dubs shit as board culture Haven't done anything of the sort. Its not even part of board culture.
I've asked you to back up your claims and you have failed to do anything even remotely like it. You can't defend your point of view and you're resorting to ad hominem, false accusations and basically just flinging shit everywhere and hoping that somehow that proves a point.
If I really was "just opinionated" then you could make an argument that proves such, yet you don't.
95c560 No.3227
>>3225>Haven't done anything of the sort. Its not even part of board culture.Then you shouldn't even fucking be in this thread because that's /v/'s biggest problem right now and these rules would do nothing about your retarded as shit vision of a hugbox.
>I've asked you to back up your claims and you have failed to do anything even remotely like it. I don't need to, you fucking dolt. It's apparent, even you openly admit that it happens to video games related threads, and that's enough. However you think it's fine and should get a free pass because in your opinion those threads are shit.
I resort to ad hominem because your suggestion is completely ridiculous and retarded. You want to fucking ban topics of discussion because you don't like them. That's not fucking free speech, that's a fucking hugbox.
c296fc No.3231
>>3227>I don't need toYes you do.
>even you openly admit that it happens to video games related threadsI have asked you to provide proof that they happen to video game related threads. I haven't said they happen to video game threads.
If it happens to video game threads AND ONLY IF IT HAPPENS I assume its to a shitposting thread. Maybe a thread trying to say DmC is the greatest game ever. Who knows.
>However you think it's fineNo I think its a symptom of a disease and will disappear when they have no reason to use them as a line of defense. Learn to read.
>I resort to ad hominem because your suggestion is completely ridiculous and retarded. If it was ridiculous and retarded then you would be able to discuss it properly instead of resorting to ad hominem. People resort to ad hominem when they realize they're wrong. Not when they're so absolutely right that you seem to believe you are.
>You want to fucking ban topics of discussion because you don't like them.No I don't and never have I said such.
04aa1a No.3233
>>3208>I don't need to the frontpage of Metav is five posts complaining about decreasing board quality A whole five posts by five or less (could all be one guy) stupid faggots mad about shit, trying to whine and wormtongue their way into the whole board becoming a fascist deathcamp.
Your whining is just as worthless as theirs, with the additional shit being that you used so much space to say "waah I'm mad about dubs".
Back to halfchan.
95c560 No.3236
>>3233> trying to whine and wormtongue their way into the whole board becoming a fascist deathcamp.I'm pretty sure the people opposing the ban od dubs and sage bombing are all one person too. I've seen this dickweed in another thread, constantly trying to pass off his opinions as fact.
You go back to halfachan if you want to shitpost. I want to talk about video games, and if you don't like that, you can fuck off.
>>3231>Yes you do.I don't. You haven't even backed up your pants on head retarded claim, you shouldn't need to either though, since rules are meant to be an umbrellas that stops this shit, regardless of if it is currently a problem. You don't ban murdering someone until you're facing mass murders, you do it because it's a fucking good idea to ban murders.
I'm not going to respond to you any more until you stop suggesting your retarded hugboxing idea.
c296fc No.3238
>>3236>You haven't even backed up your pants on head retarded claimYes I have, learn to read.
>You don't ban murdering someone until you're facing mass murders, you do it because it's a fucking good idea to ban murders.So you're retracting your opinion on dubs and supporting what I said?
>I'm not going to respond to you any moreBecause you know I am right, since you can't argue against it and only use meaningless catchphrases like "hugbox" when I have suggested nothing of the sort.
95c560 No.3241
>>3238>Yes I have, learn to read.No, you gave the PERFECT example of why sage bombing and Dubs posting should be completely banned. However that would be extreme, the rules in th eOP offer a perfect compromise between the two, and would completely obliterate bad community modding.
>Because you know I am right,No, you're so fucking wrong it's hilarious. You're just thick headed and opinionated, and I'm pretty sure you're baiting because literally no one wants to make /v/ a shitty hugbox.
c296fc No.3243
>>3241>you gave the PERFECT example of why sage bombing and Dubs posting should be completely bannedI'm fine with that, but still [Citation Needed].
Dubs and sagebombing needs to go, but they wont until you set a precedent for them to go. If you had been to halfchan you would have known this too.
>No, you're so fucking wrong it's hilariousThen it should have been easy to argue against my points, yet you resort to ad hominem.
I'm right because I can actually back up my arguments with facts.
95c560 No.3244
>>3243>but they wontUnless you ban them.
OPs you think are bad aren't the problem. I've got first hand experience with having a thread sagebombed by an asshole who did it just because he didn't like the game.
95c560 No.3245
>>3243>>3244>Then it should have been easy to argue against my points, yet you resort to ad hominem.Then you should probably have points to begin with. All I'm seeing is you whining that /v/ isn't your hugbox.
c296fc No.3248
>>3244>OPs you think are bad aren't the problem.Again, prove it.
>>3245Shrug, learn to read I guess? I've pointed out several times that you ignore my points and you have said "I don't need to justify myself to you" or "You're a big doodyhead" every time, both proving I had points and that you ignored them. Too late to go back now.
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708f55 No.3256
Silly little Redditors, was getting assblasted by having your shitty threads ruined part of your plan? Banning dubs won't do you any good, I'll just end up pulling a new card out of my hat :^). How does it feel knowing that there is no amount of whining that you can do to stop people from shitposting? Just the fact that it makes you fags so mad makes me want to do it MOOOOOOORRREE.
04aa1a No.3257
>>3236>Are all one person too>TOOSo you're admitting it? Christ, you ARE a faggot. And no, it's not one person and it's never been one person, dubs are the established method that most oldfags already know.
You fuck off back to halfchan and die.
You are exactly like the narutofags on /q/, you get shut the fuck down so you make another thread, and another, and scream and whine and throw your stupid little tantrum to try to get mods to fuck over the rest of the board because you're mad that you aren't wanted.
95c560 No.3258
>>3256>>3257>I get tpo decide what constitutes a quality thread and what doesn't>If those useless mods wont delete the threads I don't like I'll just shitpostI'm not the one that needs to go to back to halfchan.
This is SJW tier censorship.
708f55 No.3261
>>3258>Shitposting triggers me! I-it's the SJWs y-yeah - c-censorship.Lol just admit you can't stand being bullied poor little babby.
04aa1a No.3262
>>3258>SOMEONE DISAGREEING WITH ME IS CENSORSHIP>SAGING MY THREAD IS CENSORSHIPYou dumb SJW faggot, go back to reddit where people will be banned for hurting your feelings
95c560 No.3264
>>3262>>3261>Needs strawmen to win an arguementYou even argue like people on halfchan.
708f55 No.3265
>>3264You'll never stop "shitposting". I don't even see why you feel the need to whine about it.
95c560 No.3266
>>3265Anon, if "it is pointless" then you shouldn't do anything. You should at least want to try to make the board a better place for everyone. By that logic we wouldn't have any rules in the first place.
Besides if you can't stop it you might as well misdirect it. I'm not calling for the end of this shit, as much as I'd love for it to be outright banned, I'm just saying we should take precations because a certain group of anons want to dictate what others can and can't talk about. If they don't want it on "Their" /v/ then they can fuck off and make their own board. /v/ isn't their hugbox.
708f55 No.3268
>>3266If a thread is good, people will discuss - if a thread is shit, people will shitpost. Enough said.
95c560 No.3269
>>3268>Enough said.No it isn't. Whatone person thinks is a good topic, another person thinks is a shit topic.
This is why old /v/ went to shit. People couldn't stand the fact that other people had a different opinion so instead of just ignoring it like they should they shitposted.
If you don't fucking like it, ignore it. Shitposting is just you admitting the topic is so offensive to you that you want to derail the entire thread just because you didn't like it.
04aa1a No.3272
>>3264Just leave, faggot.
Leave forever. You have been completely ass shattered. Everybody sees it, just fucking go. You literally think that people disagreeing with you is censorship, you cry about people censoring you when you are the one who wants more moderation. Exactly like the SJWs crying about how emailing advertisers was censorship.
You probably stumbled over here from reddit during the early days of GG, but you know what? We used you tools, that doesn't mean you're welcome here. Go back.
95c560 No.3273
>>3272>Exactly like the SJWs crying about how emailing advertisers was censorship.And it wouldn't be complete without a false equivalency.
But really, jesus christ. You should step back and evaluate your posts before posting. No wonder the board quality is in the shitter with people like you. I'll stop replying to your ID now since you don't even seem to want to offer anything of value, constructive or not.
04aa1a No.3274
>>3273Nothing in this thread is of value. It's just you being mad about getting bullied like the limp-dick you are. Go cry your way back to reddit.
6e9acc No.3311
>>3197>Make saged post not count towards the bump limit. This will remove dumbasses who like to use sage as a downvote.SAGEWASUSEDASA"DOWNVOTE"SINCEATLEAST2005YOU FUCKING FAGGOT
ONLY TURBOFAGGOTS THAT CAME ON 2012 AND THE TWO /jp/SIES THAT WERE BUTTHURT IT WASN'T USED LIKE IN THE ELEVEN BOARDS THINK OTHERWISE
IT EVEN FUCKING PREDATES MEMES BEING CALLED MEMES
As a matter of fact, there is too little sage and dubs here, and halfchanners are starting to think they are welcome here.
95c560 No.3312
>>3311>People use it in a way that was never intended>That makes it okay>That means it's totally okay to use it as an excuse to spam and shitpostWannabe oldfag, please.
The entire reason Reddit is so fucking shit is because it's popularity system which is exactly why the upvote/downvote system is fucking cancerous in the first place.
Just because it "is" or "It's always been" Doesn't mean it's fucking okay or right.
>HalfchannersOh boohoo, your boogeyman are already here faggot. They've ALWAYS been here.
6e9acc No.3313
>>3312REDDIT IS CANCER BECAUSE OF IT'S COMMUNITY, YOU DOLT, JUST LIKE HALF/v/ IS SHIT EVEN WITHOUT SAGE.AND THAT IS THE CORRECT WAY TO USE SAGE HERE, ELEVENS AND FAGGOTS LIKE YOU THAT CAME AFTER THE SHAZBOWL BE DAMNEDHALF/a/ HAD A EXCELLENT SIZE/POST QUALITY RATIO BECAUSE THEY SHOWED CUMGUZZLERS LIKE YOU THE DOOR.A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO CAME HERE BACK ON SEPTEMBER CARED LITTLE ABOUT GAMERGATE, AND MORE ABOUT HAVING A BOARD WITHOUT THE COPYPASTED BAIT OP THREADS YOU LOVE TO MAKE SO MUCH YOU GET PISSED WHEN A GENTLEMAN TELLS YOU TO CHECK HIS DIGITS, WHILE BEING SO EDUCATED NOT TO LET HIS LITTLE GAME BUMP YOUR USELESS THREAD, SO DON'T PULL ME THE "NOT YOUR SECRET CLUB" 2.0 AND GO BACK TO 4chan, THERE IS A WARM LOL THREAD WAITING YOU, WITH THE SAME IMAGES REPOSTED. 95c560 No.3316
>>3313>REDDIT IS CANCER BECAUSE OF IT'S COMMUNITYLiterally the only people who say this are retards who don't know why people originally started hating reddit in the first place.
I can tel you now Reddit's current community is there because the upvote downvote system promoted attention whoring. Using sage as a downvote in itself is cancer because it's fucking retarded and counterproductive because it's more likely to get the thread bumped when angry repliers are asking why you saged an on topic post. If you don't fucking like a thread, don't post in it. This is what you, and all those fucking retarded journalists and SJWs need to fucking learn, if you don't like something, ignore it. Whining and blabbing your mouth will only increase exposure and shitposting only leads to more shitposting.
And since we can't get rid of it we might as well remove it's negative effects.
c296fc No.3318
>>3316>everyone disagrees with me>yet I am always correct no matter whatHave some free shrugs buddy
95c560 No.3319
>>3318>>everyone disagrees with me>>yet I am always correct no matter whatNo one is right when it comes to opinions, anon. If you think Reddit's community is just magically shit, that's your bag, doesn't mean it's right.
You must be massively buttdevestated if you only post to make fun of people too. That's why sagebombers and Dubs spammers need to go, it's retarded and it's pointless and it only makes the board worse by allowing them to ruin perfectly fine threads because they don't like them.
35fecc No.3322
>>3197>Make saged post not count towards the bump limit.can't be done
>The second suggestion is make off topic a bannable offensealready is
>auto-hide all saged posts upon entering the thread.can't be done
>You could easily just ban sage bombingalready is. several repeated contentless posts (such as dubs or just posting 'sage' over and over) that serve only to try to prevent discussion is against the rules.
db22a9 No.3324
>>3322>>You could easily just ban sage bombing>already is.So you admit to defending shitposting.
95c560 No.3326
>>3322>already isIt isn't. There isn't any in depth rule about off topic posting besides the "Keep it vidya" in the top. It's kinda lazy. I don't think we should have LOADS of rules, but I'd like to actually have some rules that prevents shit like this. Like "If you're caught making a dubs post (or something similar) without sage your post will be deleted/you'll get a ban" because I see a fucking lot of dubs threads, even ones that are totally justified in being dubs threads, getting bumped because some retard doesn't want his dubs thread to die even if the OP was completely worthless to the board.
I don't care if it's exact, I'd just like a reason to report the the butthurt posters who just spam threads with sarcastic remarks and sage because they didn't like the game/thread OP's comment or opinion because as it stand, nothing is preventing a person from doing this in say, a drawthread or a Rob thread just because they didn't like it.
> several repeated contentless posts Spamming is banned, but that only counts if you catch the person using a single ID. You can easily change your ID and avoid a spam ban.
>can't be doneIt could be, but I bet it's more of a hotwheels thing.
>>3324Are you fucking retarded?
1cad97 No.3331
>if the post literally only says something extremely condescending and purely made to aggravate then it needs to at least be deleted.
No. Removing obviously off-topic shit is good and fine and promotes quality discussion in the topic area. Removing negativity or making some completely subjective and arbitrary standard for what constitutes "trolling" or "shitposting" however, is a slippery slope that just leads to people banning those they disagree with.
1cad97 No.3332
>>3311>halfchanners are starting to think they are welcome here.This attitude is only going to hurt 8chan in the long run. This is
precisely what killed 7chan.
95c560 No.3335
>>3331> Removing obviously off-topic shit is good and fine and promotes quality discussion in the topic areaBut posts that literally are just there to inflame a poster ARE offtopic. I'm not talking about stuff that's purely opinion like "DmC was a good game!" Or video game bait like that. I honestly could care less about it, I mostly ignore it because I know it's just someone being retarded.
That can stay. I'm talking about posts like: "Nice thread OP." with a sage and an "ironic" image. There is this one fucker I see pretty often who posts literally just that "Nice thread OP" and combines it with an image with black text on white that says "George Costanza with a baseball bat making the shiggy diggy face."
It's not only off topic but it's literally just bait meant to make the OP or anyone who agrees with he OP angry. These kinds of posts don't even try to be on topic or about video games. It's just some asshat trying to say "I don't like your thread and I want to watch you get angry."
e53d50 No.3342
>>3197The board is not going to shit due to self-moderation, it is going to shit because the mods are deleting vidya and leaving explicit shill or shitpost threads to live. Consolewar threads and Evolve: best game edition why haven't you bought it yet threads always reach bump limit. In shitpost threads, mark will often post with capcode and the thread will stay alive. When it's a game mark doesn't like, though, it's permasaged, OP is edited, or thread is deleted outright, even if the thread was completely vidya.
This causes people to have NO CHOICE BUT to self-moderate (or leave /v/ completely).
In short, I haven't read more than your first paragraph, but start blaming the mods and not the users.
Sage 4 u :^)
e53d50 No.3343
>>3335I completely disagree with you. I think "DmC was good!" threads should be deleted because otherwise they hug the front page and leaves real vidya threads to slide off. This is not the same thing as a thread that presents and analyses an unpopular opinion. "Nice thread, OP" posts should be allowed to stay.
>hurr durr they're just offtopic posts!No, they're posts that denounce the low-quality of the thread, while not damaging the thread in any way if they're wrong.
35fecc No.3346
>>3324And pone, too. I'm very afraid of ye olde slippery slope.
>>3326>"If you're caught making a dubs post (or something similar) without sage your post will be deleted/you'll get a ban" WHY DO PEOPLE THINK SAGING HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, FUCK
also yes you can change your id to avoid getting banned for spam but also you can change your id to evade a ban you already have gotten for spam, welcome to imageboards
95c560 No.3347
>>3342>, but start blaming the mods and not the users.Can't we blame both? I mean that does sound like shitty moderating to me even if I actively avoid and hide threads like that. But dubs spamming and sage bombing a thread isn't going to make it die sooner, it justslowly edges the thread closer to bump limit while keeping it alive when some asshole doesn't want his dubs thread alive so he tries to get without using sage and thus keeping the thread alive longer.
Sage bombers work similarly, their bait posts do nothing but make people angry or disgruntled so people will reply to them and so will keep the thread alive through shitposting.
The only thing EITHER of these succeed in doing is either keeping a shit thread alive or shitting up a good thread because some idiot doesn't like someone's opinion.
>>3343I think you misinterpret what were talking about. I don't like those threads or posts either. They're stupid and extremely baity. However like I said above, sage bombing and shitposting is just trolls trolling trolls. It keeps the thread alive longer than it needs to be when people SHOULD just hide it and move on. If you die the thread it will have a quicker possibility of dying because it wont be filled with bait that a bunch of anons run into when they click on this "DmC was a good game!" thread and some people will reply, just like the dumbasses who fell for OP's bait replied.
Actually going into a thread just to say it's shit is really fucking retarded. That kind of self moderation is cancer and it doesn't work. Report it if you think it breaks the rules, and hide it. Hide it if you don't like it because some people like what you don't. If the thread is shit, no one posting in it will make it die faster than a bunch of people bumping it to get dubs.
>>3346Because Sage is SUPPOSED to be used when you make an offtopic post that you think doesn't deserve to bump a thread but still kinda related to something someone was asking. It was meant to work like this since it was first created, but then moot was a total faggot and instead of fixing it or making rules to stop idiots from abusing it he just outright removed it in some places because of how they constantly abused it.
e53d50 No.3348
>>3347>Can't we blame both?Obviously, but mods are individual people and users are an amorphous mob. Mods can be directed AND have the power to direct the mob. If the mob is misbehaving, then isn't it also true that the ones to blame are the mods, since they could be preventing the bad elements from posting? Isn't it a waste of energy and time to blame a group of people that cannot trim its own bad elements because the mods have disallowed them the ability to do so? Is it not also foolish to blame a group for the deeds of a few?
And so, I submit to you that you should be blaming solely the mods - not because the mods are solely responsible, but because it is pointless to blame the users.
>sage bombing and shitposting is just trolls trolling trolls.It seems you don't understand what sage does. Sage moves the thread toward the bump limit without actually bumping the thread. This means that mass-posting while saging will ensure the death of the thread quickly, all the while preventing the thread from achieving whatever its primary purpose was.
On the other hand, leaving the thread to "rot" just means the OP and his shilly friends are free to hug page 1 for the entire duration of their shilly thread, killing actual, legitimate videogames discussion, even if everybody hides their threads. In no time at all, the entire board would be covered with purely shill threads and it would be impossible to discuss anything.
95c560 No.3349
>>3348>That first point.I feel like were gonna dive right into philosophical shit soon. Lets both just agree that someone needs to crack a whip and do something about this.
> This means that mass-posting while saging will ensure the death of the thread quicklyNot quickly enough apparently if evolve mega threads are still up.
>On the other hand, leaving the thread to "rot" just means the OP and his shilly friends are free to hug page 1 for the entire duration of their shilly thread, killing actual, legitimate videogames discussionaren't they still talking about video games? That's kinda the point. If they're both shills they can do nothing but circlejerk each other until they run out of stuff to talk about. If another anon comes in to just shitpost you'd have angry posters bumping the thread and the shitposter just shitting on everything, keeping it alive way longer than it should be if it was a shit thread.
If o one interested replies, it'll die, but if someone who IS interested in the game wants to talk about it, shouldn't we let them?
e53d50 No.3351
>>3349>aren't they still talking about video games?Talking about how DLC is god and you they will buy the season pass for the latest COD for the low low price of $99.99 is not videogames, it's consumerism. Learn the difference.
95c560 No.3354
>>3351>Talking about how DLC is god and you they will buy the season pass for the latest COD Any posts like this is obvious bait and you shouldn't reply anyways. If anyone ACTUALLY believes this they're obviously not the kind of person you want to get into a conversation with.
e53d50 No.3356
>>3354>sagebombing is a conversationU wot m8?
95c560 No.3357
>>3356>U wot m8?You don't actually expect OP to not reply, right?
e53d50 No.3358
>>3357>a reply is a conversation>saging does not affect the bump limitU wot m8?
35fecc No.3360
>>3347>Sage is SUPPOSED to Sage is supposed to prevent your post from bumping a thread, and it does that perfectly. Whether that's used for politeness or for being a dick is up to the person who used it. It has no inherent meaning and any meaning behind it is created by the poster and the people that read the post.
This isn't halfchan, people. Traditions don't have to be carried over. Sage can be a downvote. It can even be an upvote! It could be something completely different. The future is yours to decide. Reach out and grab it with your soul.
95c560 No.3361
>>3358>a reply is a conversationIsn't that the definition of a conversation? A series of replies between two or more people?
>saging does not affect the bump limitIt doesn't effect it's intended use. It wont stop sage bombing or dubs spam but it will stop asshole from spamming perfectly fine video games threads because they don't like the video game or they don't like whats being said.
>>3360>. Sage can be a downvote. If you want downvoting go to fucking reddit. I don't want this community to become a cancer where you have to appeal to a majority in order to have a thread. This kills unpopular threads and gives "I don't like it so it sucks"-fags a non rule breaking way to shit on things they don't like.
You're right, we don't HAVE to carry over halfchan's traditions, but sage bombing and Dubs spam is big reasons the old one went to shit, because everyone was doing it to threads they didn't like. When moot destroyed sage and banned dubs, console war threads took over. But console war threads are much easier to deal with since you can just hide them and enjoy whatever vidya thread is next in the list.
e53d50 No.3363
>>3361>Isn't that the definition of a conversation? That's it, I'm out. This shit is getting way too retarded. I guess it's no wonder /v/ is so crap if this is the kind of users it has. Also no wonder mark, blue_ and polio are still allowed to mod /v/.
35fecc No.3365
>>3361>sage bombing and Dubs spam is big reasons the old one went to shitand it's against the rules so what's the problem
>>3363>this explains why mark is still allowed to mod the board he owns 95c560 No.3366
>>3363>Also no wonder mark, blue_ and polio are still allowed to mod /v/.Dude, /v/ isn't an official board. If you don't like it you can make your own, I've seen countless people do it because they don't like how this one is run.
>>3365>and it's against the rules so what's the problemRule #4?
35fecc No.3368
95c560 No.3381
>>3368I'll keep that in mind next time I see a thread derailed.
c296fc No.3384
>>3360B-b-b-b-b-but muh "sage as a downvote" reddit meme :((((((((((((((
04aa1a No.3385
>>3381Someone disagreeing with you / multiple posters posting dubs / thread not going exactly where you want it
All of these things? Not spam, faggot. Don't waste people's time you fascist little shit.
35fecc No.3391
>>3385Nigga, mods get shit like "this poster is retarded" and "remove faggot" and "shitposting" as report reasons constantly. If he's reporting the wrong things then we'll just have to dismiss 91% of reports instead of 90%.
Those were all taken from the report queue as of the time of this post by the way 95c560 No.3393
>>3385>Someone disagreeing with you>thread not going exactly where you want itNever said either of these were spam. Unless "Not going exactly where you wanted it" means dubs and shitposting. I'm fine with people discussing the game and shit, even if it's not my opinion.
>Not spam, faggot.>multiple posters posting dubsThat is actually spam.
Also:
>multiple posters posting dubs >Implying it is EVER not just one guy spamming "Check'em" until he gets dubs and the other come piling in.Plus, ID changing is fucking easy.
c296fc No.3412
>>3391Shitposting is now allowed? People shouldn't report posts that seem to be made for the sake of shitting up the board?
I'm not going to question that there are people who report people for shitposting just because they disagree with each other and those are obviously not legitimate, but seriously. Why isn't shitposting a legitimate reason to report?
35fecc No.3418
>>3412because people only ever use it as "stop liking what i don't like"
Also, you can report whatever you want to report, it just doesn't mean we'll necessarily do anything about it. Reporting someone for being Canadian doesn't mean we'll ban him, y'know?
116943 No.3450
>>3418>because people only ever use it as "stop liking what i don't like" I sure as fuck don't. If someone posts about cars or what the fuck ever instead of videogames I am going to report them for shitposting, because its offtopic and therefore shitposting. Grow up.
56475a No.3452
>>3450"Shitposting" is generally a vague term, so that can't be a rule. What you described as shitposting is most definitely shitposting and I would report it too.
>stop liking what i don't likeThe people that do this need a few hour ban for the first offense and then a few day ban after that, if they continue it, a week, and then a perma. That shit is so unbelievably cancerous and it turns /v/ into a stagnant shithole (which it mostly is atm) where people only talk about hentai games and which vidya gurl u wan fuk?
56475a No.3453
>>3450Also stop sperging at the mod, he's not disagreeing with you at all.
56475a No.3455
>>3272>i win!>i win the argument!Fucking SJW tactics, declare victory when nothing has even fucking happened. You make yourself look like a dick and by your disposition towards this topic I can tell you're a worthless shitposter.
04aa1a No.3468
>>3455Follow the fucking conversation, you illiterate quiff. The post I replied to was just "waah strawmen". He had long since been shit all over. This thread is a duplicate of many others that are still available to view, use the catalog, and the same tired "waah somebody hurt my feelings with an image of patrick bateman, ban them all" posters with the same worthless whining have been in all of them.
The conversation is over, the whining shit has been rekt repeatedly in this and other threads by many people. If you are literally too stupid to read the thread, don't bother replying to week old posts.
56475a No.3479
>>3468Jesus Christ, faggot, you're still just plugging your ears and going "LALALA I WIN XD"
Fuck, you're pathetic.
95c560 No.3722
>>3452>The people that do this need a few hour ban for the first offense and then a few day ban after that, if they continue it, a week, and then a perma. That shit is so unbelievably cancerous and it turns /v/ into a stagnant shithole (which it mostly is atm) where people only talk about hentai games and which vidya gurl u wan fuk?This is my original problem. But for some reason every time I bring up making "If you don't like it, hide it" A bunch of faggots sperg out in defense of self moderation, as if it helps at all.
More people just need to learn how to use the hide button but some faggots just take that as a plea to hugbox when they don't realize what they're doing will make the board more of a hugbox because everyone will just shit on you for not having their opinion.
04aa1a No.3739
>>3722>As if it helps at all>Just ignore the shit on the floor, cleaning never helps at allGo back to halfchan then. Because clearly, a place with users that give a shit is more cancerous than one where everyone just has to ignore the shit piling up. You like that ruleset so much, go back, faggot.
Don't see why you need to cry and whine and try to ruin shit for people that actually like it here when you could just leave to your shit-filled paradise.
You filthy fucking californian, fleeing a dead board and wailing for the same policies that killed the place you left.
773e8b No.3740
>>3739You have a bizarre obsession with completely misrepresenting what other people are saying and acting like a condescending autistic faggot.
Seriously, you're a halfchan tier shitposter with an SJW tier attitude. Completely worthless.
04aa1a No.3746
>>3740>This from the faggot in the thread made by a faggot whining about dubsWas Trail of Tears your autobiography
d7fb02 No.4211
>>3197>>3203>Banning off topic from threadsToo far, gives too much power to the moderators.
Auto hiding sage isn't the solution either.
It should be reportable when someone tries saging the hell out of a thread that's already got plenty of people discussing it.
>>3205Check the Killing Floor 2 thread right now, it's been made completely worse thanks to sagebombing
b3934f No.4219
>>3197Fuck off retard. Enough with garbage like you trying to shit up anon image boards by trying to get more and more fucking rules put in because "muh feels". Fuck off.