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TPP Release Date: September 1st
Steam Release: September 15th 2015

Shoutout to our /stalker/ bros

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Anonymous 03/16/15 (Mon) 04:18:50 No.1215

So was he the hero or the villain of the series in the end?

Anonymous 03/16/15 (Mon) 05:52:40 No.1218

There is no hero/villain deal in mgs. Just people following orders and their own beliefs.

What I want to know s why you would think that he could be a villain

Anonymous 03/16/15 (Mon) 06:33:48 No.1220

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Someone hasn't played Snake Eater.

>Is there such thing as an absolute timeless enemy? There is no such thing and never has been. And the reason is that our enemies are human beings like us. They can only be our enemies in relative terms.

Of course there are sadistic psychopaths like Volgin and Sundowner who are exceptions to the rule but most of the villains have a clear enough motive.

>Big Boss: Was actually Naked Snake, fighting a long war with his former CO over how to carry on the Boss's legacy
>Zero: Tried for one-world government and a united humanity under the boss's will. Basically runs the world in secret, even if that means turning on Big Boss himself. Had no way of knowing just what the La-li-lu-le-lo AIs would unleash upon the world, based on his orders
>The La-li-lu-le-lo: Were just following Zero's orders.
>Solid Snake: See above. He eventually breaks free.
>Ocelot: Idolized Big Boss, hoped to realize Outer Heaven as well, but also realized that Zero had inadvertantly created a monster
>Paz: Suboordinate to Zero, who had valid motivations. Also redeemed a bit by her defilement in GZ, the fact that she jumped from the chopper to save Big Boss's life, and the fact that she had started to become the mask.
>Liquid: Had a pretty shitty lot in life, I'll give him that.
>Solidus: You can't say the guy didn't have a noble goal. Raiden didn't even want to kill him.
>Vamp/Dead Cell: "We might be the only ones telling the truth."
>Skullface: Is a living, breathing testament to the horrors of war - with no morals left to turn to, having failed him in the past.

Anonymous 03/16/15 (Mon) 13:08:47 No.1222

>>1220
I hope Big Boss doesn't become a 'shrapnell in head bat-shit crazy villain' in TPP and stays human. On that note, Kojima said he was inspired by Breaking Bad, let's hope the best.

Anonymous 03/16/15 (Mon) 14:53:49 No.1223

>>1222
Solid Snake always spoke of Big Boss as a terrible person. In Metal gear 2, when you codec in Miller when fighting Big boss, Miller calls Big boss a monster.

The thing is that other characters like Sniper wolf and Gray Fox spoke kindly of Big Boss and those things were pretty contradictory to whatever Snake said about him in the original MGS game.
This thread is sorta related >>787

Anonymous 03/16/15 (Mon) 18:05:59 No.1225

>>1218
MGS deals a fuckton with heroism and what a hero is, MGSV even hinges on it since Kojima has said so many times he wants to depict a hero's transformation into a demon

Anonymous 03/17/15 (Tue) 03:42:46 No.1228

>>1225
Yeah, from what I've heard Raiden was Kojima's response/punishment for American fans adapting Solid Snake into their own personal power fantasy where violence is necessary and justified. Why else do you think Americans got MGS2 first? By the numbers, the franchise is even more popular in the West than it is in Kojima's homeland.

/pol/ tangent below:
When the nips got MGS2 a few weeks later, their cover featured Raiden as some kind of Bishounen badass only the Japs could love. It's a testament to American degeneracy that flaming homos like Raiden now host the Oscars and don't receive nearly the backlash they did in 2001. We need to remove the cultural Marxism in our society and go back to the good old days after 9/11! *le sundowner faec* :DDDD

Anonymous 03/17/15 (Tue) 17:35:45 No.1233

>>1215
Politics decide who is your enemy.

Anonymous 03/30/15 (Mon) 04:28:40 No.1303

>>1215
He was a soldier.

Anonymous 04/05/15 (Sun) 21:01:09 No.1365

>>1215
I think in the end, Solid Snake was a hero.

I believe that Solid Snake was the one who truly carried out The Boss's legacy, that it's not about changing the world, but leaving it the way it was, preserving it for the next generation.

Also, as Solid Snake said (don't know the exact wording) but he said he always fought, but he at least fought for what he believed in. This is why he teamed up with Otacon to form The Anti Metal Gear NGO.

But, then again, Solid Snake denied he was a hero. But in my opinion, he is a hero.

Anonymous 04/06/15 (Mon) 05:47:19 No.1367

>>1365
> he said he always fought, but he at least fought for what he believed in
That was Gray Fox who said that, is final words to Snake

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