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 No.787[Reply]

6.4 percent of Flint's nearly 8,500 kids are now testing for dangerously high lead levels in their blood stream — up from 3.6 percent before the city switched them from Detroit water to toxic Flint River water. Many of these children have developed rashes and brittle bones and face the prospect of permanent brain damage, diminished IQ, and behavioral difficulties

https://archive.is/vsF4P

>Michigan's state and local officials poisoned Flint's water with lead but innocent federal taxpayers are the ones having to foot the cleanup bill. President Obama has pledged to hand Flint $85 million in aid money. This sounds like a lot, but the fact of the matter is that it is far less than what Flint's victims would have gotten if a corporation — rather than government — had been the culprit. That's because, unlike private companies, the government is shielded from liability lawsuits.

>After initially giving Michigan Governor Rick Snyder only $5 million in going away money to help Flint residents buy water filters and bottled water, President Obama finally acquiesced this week to pleas for more help and authorized another $80 million. Now he's also considering Snyder's request for extending Medicaid eligibility to all Flint children up to age 21 regardless of their income or insurance status.

>Setting aside the Medicaid expansion, the $85 million in federal aid combined with the $28 million in state aid that Snyder has arranged, works out to on average $1,000 for each of Flint's 99,700 residents — or about $4,000 for a family of four.

But kids are not the only ones hurt. Around 85 people have been diagnosed with Legionnaire's disease — a particularly horrible form of pneumonia — compared to around six to 13 in a normal year. Ten of them have already died.

>The lead poisoning occurred because Flint failed to treat water with phosphorous, something that corroded the coating inside city pipes and home plumbing, allowing lead to leach in. Though switching back to treated water has diminished the lead content for now, the danger of lead pPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



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 No.785[Reply]

Heil Hitler

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Hitler did nothing wrong




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 No.784[Reply]

The Obama administration is cutting back on border security that Congress has already funded and is drawing bipartisan criticism from lawmakers in the process.

Operation Phalanx, an aerial surveillance program that employs military units to aid in border security, faces a 50% cut at the Department of Homeland Security – even though it was fully funded by Congress.

The DHS move drew fire from Democratic Rep. Henry Cuellar and Texas Gov. Greg Abbott.

“It has come to our attention that for calendar year 2016 the DHS requested 3,850 hours of persistent aerial detection, situational awareness and monitoring capability support for Operation Phalanx from the Department of Defense. This was 50% lower than that of recent years,” Cuellar and Abbott wrote Monday in a letter to DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson.

Since 2005, Texas has committed nearly $1.7 billion in state funds to border security. In addition, the state provides manpower, resources and oversight in support of Operation Phalanx through the Texas National Guard.

“It is our expectation that the federal government similarly fulfill its obligation when it comes to securing the border,” Cuellar and Abbott wrote.

Unlike Abbott, a persistent critic of President Barack Obama’s wide-ranging exercise of executive privilege, Cuellar previously called for the White House to take unilateral action on immigration.

Last September, Abbott’s office requested additional aerial observation resources along the Mexican border, a point reiterated in Monday’s letter. “Given the recent surge of migrants from Central America and Cuba along the southern border, we believe DHS should request more surveillance and security resources, not fewer,” Cuellar and Abbott wrote.

Last year’s plea went unanswered.

“The fact that DHS now appears to be taking the opposite approach is unsettling,” Abbott said.

DHS did not immediately respond to the latest Texas complaint.

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 No.759[Reply]

Is man-made climate change our biggest problem? Are the wildfires, droughts and hurricanes we see on the news an omen of even worse things to come? The United Nations and many political leaders think so and want to spend trillions of tax dollars to reverse the warming trend. Are they right? Will the enormous cost justify the gain? Economist Bjorn Lomborg, director of the Copenhagen Consensus Center, explains the key issues and reaches some sobering conclusions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgm3QOWt6Tc

So in essence, we are better off investing in the research for efficiency in the use of these sustainable sources of energy rather than subsidizing the current inefficient and highly expensive models.

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 No.761

also a reminder that climate change is a better choice than global warming, because although the change is caused by trapped heat from the greenhouse effect, it may actually reduce temps in certain areas.

I still believe that it is clear that climate change causes MUCH more erratic behaviour in comparison to the global climate pre-industrial age


 No.762

another problem is the positive feedback loop caused by "better infrastructure"

Of course, the infrastructure needs to be in place at some point, but in the production of materials for said infrastructure, more greenhouse gases will be produced. More greenhouse gases will increase severity of the storms, which will require

A. repairs to existing infrastructure

and

B. better infrastructure, yet again

this creates more waste and more greenhouse gases, which continues

A responsible solution would be to lessen the greenhouse effect somehow, while simultaneously improving infrastructure

don't be a boolean dummy

the earth isn't made of ones and zeroes


 No.769

There is also the issue (or non-issue) of some environments changing for the better.

Like desert areas getting more rain, colder temperatures.

Climate change isn't necessarily a bad thing. Earth's climate always changes every so often regardless of us humans.

However it would be a problem if it changed so dramatically that species en masse would become extinct and ruin ecosystems everywhere.


 No.780

>>769

well, that's the problem with "lefty" global warming

it's killing fuck tons of coral, which in turn kills all the tropical fishies

no more nemos

also sharks are getting wasted by stupid islander fisherman, but that's another story


 No.783

I think Man is Man's biggest problem.

>Wars

>nuclear meltdowns

>harrp

>cern

>pollution

We are definitely going to blow ourselves up.




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 No.781[Reply]

These sick banking globalists want your race to die. They will only proliferate their bloodline, even if they appear similar to you they are not. They hate you and everything about you.

They don't care about your obsession with genderfluidity or your obsession with multicult appeasement. They absolutely do not care that you have an ivy league degree or that you managed to earn a few million dollars before you reached your thirties.

All they want is a more complete control over your mind and body.

They have all the money they need, so long as you let them tell you what is valuable and what is currency.

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 No.756[Reply]

What is /midpol/ opinion on transhumanism?

The way I see it for those that care about it there are adoptionists of all new tech and then there are luddites that hate most tech that isn't essential to survival. They don't care much for shit like washing machines either.

Those are the extreme ends.

There is also the idea that transhumanism is a child fantasy and that responsible and voluntary use of tech won't ever result in any transhumanist dreams.

Medical technology aside does tech generally do much for us?

Cars help keep us sedentary and force the need for advanced exercise monitoring devices and softwares. Trucks might be useful but trains and barges do the same job.

Planes? Entirely convenience for tourism. We get most of our foods by train or barge.

Military tech is one to argue about; On one hand it is necessary to develop newer tech to thwart enemies with last years tech, On the other hand it actually robs less violent tech.

Supporters of military tech try to point to civilian use of tech developed for military use but they fail to acknowledge opportunity costs and inevitability. Touch Phones for example were inevitable and many early market arrivals were in the early 90s.

Food Storage tech doesn't even need a whole sentence because there are many great uses for it that would drive demand despite any military needs.

Transhumanism can be defined as the idea that through human creations and manipulations of cells we can transcend what would develop by simply having lots of sex and having lots of babies. That there will come a time when we approach true AI as well as the ability to build advanced robots that cooperate with our organic machinery within the cells.

You could even argue transhumanism is using reading glasses or clothes - but luddites would laugh you out of the room if you do that.

 No.779

I have this exact conversation a tiring amount of times, so I'm just gonna link an article that has all my thoughts on the matter.

http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html

http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-2.html




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 No.755[Reply]

I'm answering the repeated recruitment threads on /b/, and I'd like to ask a few questions of everyone here to determine your political slants or lack thereof.

1) What is the ideal balance of power between people, government, and corporations? Must governments and/or corporations exist to serve the people, or are they allowed to use and abuse the public to their own ends?

2) What do you think of identity politics? What is the ideal immigration policy for a Western nation? What do you think of affirmative action? What do you think of white guilt? Should freedom of speech be limitless to the point of legitimate public endangerment or should it be suspended to spare people's feelings?

Answer as many or as few as you like, I just want to gauge what kind of people inhabit this board.

 No.758

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>>755

>1) What is the ideal balance of power between people, government, and corporations? Must governments and/or corporations exist to serve the people, or are they allowed to use and abuse the public to their own ends?

They don't serve "the people" they serve the shareholders.

That kind of corruption should be eliminated. By force if necessary.

>>755

>2) What do you think of identity politics? What is the ideal immigration policy for a Western nation? What do you think of affirmative action? What do you think of white guilt? Should freedom of speech be limitless to the point of legitimate public endangerment or should it be suspended to spare people's feelings?

Politics can not exist if it is not about identity. Class is identity. Ideal immigration policy for any western COUNTRY is none except temporary work visas in severe restrictions and tourism when possible. A country is a border with a flag and a government. A nation is a group of people related usually by blood and also by culture. Affirmative action is racism. Guilt is for idiots. If the public are retards let them be retards. 1st and 2nd are the only things America does right anymore.

>Answer as many or as few as you like, I just want to gauge what kind of people inhabit this board.

Men of virtue.


 No.770

>>755

These are a lot of questions, but I will make an attempt

>What is the ideal balance of power between people, government, and corporations?

The industrial revolution put the power into the hands of corporations. The power should be in the hands of intelligent leaders who do not abuse their power and have society in their best interests. Arguably most people want stable society so that would be priority

>Must governments and/or corporations exist to serve the people, or are they allowed to use and abuse the public to their own ends?

Government serves the people, Corporations serve themselves

>What do you think of identity politics?

Stupid

>What is the ideal immigration policy for a Western nation?

It needs to be under control: not too harsh but not too free.

>What do you think of affirmative action?

Stupid

>What do you think of white guilt?

The past is the past, get over it

>Should freedom of speech be limitless to the point of legitimate public endangerment or should it be suspended to spare people's feelings?

My rights don't end where your feelings begin.


 No.778

The ideal balance of power is a truly free and open market without massive regulations that restrict the ability of small buisness owners to prosper. Governments are to be at the will of the people and to only be governed by the rules the people select. Corporations are the exact opposite and other than legally speaking theyre only upholden to the shareholders.

Identity politics are shit and draw more nonexistent divisions that continues to weaken the people through separation. I can't for all the western world but specifically the American immigration policy needs to be slightly restructured to restrict the influx Latin and jew infiltration. Certain region of land here might as well be foreign, the Jews and Latinos refuse to assimilate and that erks the shit out of me. Affirmative action in most situations is not ideal and places those of who that receive it in a place that there not supposed to be. Almost in every situation a merit based society will be better than one that's not, not to generalize. If you're a white and you feel guilty you should be, if not that's good to, I'm not white soo idk how to answer this. Free speech as of right now isn't limitless you can't tell fire in a crowded theater, nor can you have calls for violence as you will be prosecuted for both of those activities. The speech laws of America are perfect in there current form.




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 No.671[Reply]

On this day in exactly one years time the US Presidential Elections will take place.

What are your predictions?

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 No.741

>>736

I've found that too so I pick out good threads or make them and stay around there now instead of filtering the catalog.

Also smaller boards like this are worth a visit once in a while.


 No.752

>>702

its not that hes released his economic plan its that he wants to take other peoples money and just give it to other people. which if you or i did that it would be called stealing. the point is that the amount of money he wants to spend will severely stagnate the economy of the US.


 No.753

>>702

and this prediction apears to be correct as hillary clinton is looking at being charged by the FBI for mishandling classified information.


 No.771


 No.777

>>771

trump #1




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 No.157[Reply]

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 No.709[Reply]

Prove you aren't another shard of kosher leftism

There are billions of dollars moving around at any given hour making sure the status quo is preserved. Mind you if there were an objective left right spectrum then we've been sliding left since mid1960s

Who decides what is harmony?

Can you define indifference?

Do you attack extremist groups like a typical leftist?

 No.714

>Prove you aren't another shard of kosher leftism

Prove you're not just a stormfag who identifies everyone who isn't off-the-charts right wing as left wing.

> Do you attack extremist groups like a typical leftist?

That's funny, because it's usually leftists who are the extreme groups. And with those I'm definitely including the national socialists, because the mental gymnastics used to shove those people on the right side is downright astonishing.


 No.768

>>709

This is a good question, currently this board has varying individual opinions. I do not associate myself with any party or political ideology. I do not know if their are any centrists on here, I would assume they would post here. Perhaps the board should be dedicated to teaching politics without any doctrine as there is a lack of it on this site. At the moment, this board is what you make it really. Feel free to ask me anything.




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 No.664[Reply]

Greetings, I am the BO of /politics/ and I am currently trying to unify the alt /pol/ boards into one. Is there a reason you guys would not care to join us?

If you have any questions about /politics/ or me, feel free to ask.

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 No.673

>>670

your opinion doesn't mean anything special

you've not convinced BO


 No.674

>>664

Why are you trying to unify boards?


 No.675

>>674

I just think it is unnecessary to have two of the same board. It would also make the board faster.


 No.764

/midpol/ BO,

would you like to be a volunteer on /politics/?

current staff are MIA.


 No.766

>>764

No thanks, but good luck to your board




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 No.691[Reply]

This video will not be online long, download and mirror it while you can.

http://youtu.be/44vzMNG2fZc

I gain nothing from this. Editing takes a lot of work and time, if you want to support me, you can do it with BTC at 1ybX49kKFNN7hKnrzaegnha4Fy9WrFATu

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly."

- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 BC

You are witnessing what will be shown to future generations as the reason for the fall of an Empire.

At current immigration levels and disappearing birth rates native Europeans are destined to become a minority in their own countries within decades. This is already the case for many of Europe's largest cities.

Europeans have effectively lost their right to exist as cultures and nations in their own homelands and are facing extinction.

Millions of young Muslim men leave behind their family, pay thousands to criminal traffickers to reach the land they have been promised by European politicians illegally.

Dubbed by the media as "refugees", they cross through 6-10 safe countries to reach wealthy nations like Germany or Sweden where they hope to receive a better life at the expense of the taxpayer.

Only a fraction of them are Syrian, as they enter unfiltered, without any documents and without any legitimate right to claim asylum. Women and children are rarely seen, except in the cherry-picked sob stories of the media.

Any indigenous resistance of Europeans who refuse to hand over the countries of their ancestors to often radical and criminal Muslim foreigners is labeled "hateful", "racist", even "Nazi".

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 No.715

>>699

And that's just the kind of answer I needed to return back to where I was. Thanks.


 No.749

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Sauce on the song? Also propaganda reel gonna pro-your-agenda however it can't be ignored the rampant increase in violent crime since the start of the refugee crisis.

I believe more protection should be given to those most vulnerable (i.e. women and children) as well as education given to migrant to essentially say 'rape is bad' but what also cant be ignored are still the huge number of sexual and violent crimes that go unreported throughout europe even before the crisis.

People posting online saying how civilized Europe culture is need to get their heads examined for dementia since alot of horrible acts are committed between white Europeans one example could be what has happened in Ukraine (inb4 slav shits arent white goal post moving shite talk) particularly how separatists have treated pows and vice versa including civilian pops reporting rape and looting in besieged towns


 No.750

>>697

dont turn this into an ultimatum, thats how extremists get their ammunition to feed potential martyrs and brainwash other people onto their side.

As much of a leftist apologist this will make me, we have to be the better 'man' in this debate and come up with a more comprehensive solution other than just 'put guns at the border and shoot anything that approaches'


 No.751

>>749

the numbers of all these crimes, even in war, do not match up to what these idiotic invaders do

not only that but many are richer tan rural folk in the southern europe areas they trespass through to get to germoney and swedenyes

>>750

we have no fucking responsibility to be the worldwide charity, they do not get to come in our countries

all the politicians feeding foreigners before our own will get hurt because the people that have been trying to live their lives can no longer live in peace and as their resources are taken and crime rises someone will have to be punished to make amends


 No.763

>>750

>>751

how about installing a puppet government, and giving it a timer of five years to set the affected nation on it's path to success

I guess that's a bit vague, but i'm getting somewhere

or building a separate "Ghetto city", but make it a whole city, and allow natives to visit and help run until the displacement is dealt with




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 No.658[Reply]

going to fly off the deep end here

>US will spend 43 million dollars on a gas station in the middle of nowhere in the desert in afghanistan

>$7000 coffee makers

>$600 toilet seats

>$37 for A screw

>$435 for a hammer

>$285 screwdriver

>$387 flat washer

>$469 wrench

>$214 flashlight,

>$437 tape measure

>$2,228 monkey wrench,

>$748 pair of duckbill pliers

>$74,165 aluminum ladder

>$659 ashtray

>$1,118.26 for a spare plastic cap for a navigator’s stool on a B-52 bomber (worth about two cents)

>Defense Accounting Finance Service writes $22 billion in checks every month

>Mark Krenik (pentagon officer) created a phony company and then billed himself $504,000. He had to repay the money, but was not sentenced to prison. Probation only, and a $495 fine. He told the federal judge that he did it because everyone else in his section was doing to the same, but he was not required to name names.

>Sgt. Robbie Miller convicted and sent to prison for stealing $1 million. would not have been caught but was involved in affairs with female co-workers. Agents say they got Miller when he was hauling evidence out of the office to burn it.

>Contractors were billing $300 a night hotel rooms, private jet flights, meals at five star restaurants and bar bills to the government.

>Air Force non-commissioned officers like Miller, who handle giant

accounts at Dayton, call any vendor account that is less than $100,000

“budget dust” and say it’s not worth the time or effort trying to

recover.

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 No.732

>>728

That problem is easily solved by not allowing states/governments to have monopolies on anything. They will abuse it, always, eventually. America was the ideal minimalist state but even that small seed will grow to full tyranny when people grow complacent, and they always do.

So the answer is not nationalised banks that can print money without debt, though that is better than federal reserve system.

The answer is not borrowing money from international cartels that use war for land and resource grabs.

The answer is having any money available to be optional to anyone.

This obviously creates problems with taxation, regulation, banking.

Governments and banks are shit anyway and the proof that they are necessary whether they are good or bad always revolve around circular logic.

Of course in a society based on governments and banks taking out money/debt will profit more than any other way without taking out a debt when using a sound expansionist business model.

However that may not be the case with a good business model in a society that is not prone to government/corporation sponsored inflation, taxes, corporate sponsored restrictions (that just "regulate" the increasing power of internationalist corporations). Short term debts may be useful but really would not make sense in a society where constant and perpetual inflation are not mandated by the state.

In short, capitalism sucks, communism sucks, telling others how to live their private lives and market interactions sucks.


 No.735

>>732

Glad we can discuss this.

So a system in which currency may exist (but not be mandatory to have or trade) that isn't regulated or produced by the government would be ideal then.

Man, that would truly be the most free market of all. Would it be able to work with a large population though? Or even within a structure of a country or state?


 No.740

>>735

>So a system in which currency may exist (but not be mandatory to have or trade) that isn't regulated or produced by the government would be ideal then.

>

>Man, that would truly be the most free market of all. Would it be able to work with a large population though? Or even within a structure of a country or state?

A country/state that is voluntary is possible, so long as people aren't forced into it by issue of birth or residence.

I don't see why it would not work with a large population, resources could not be owned by some distant oligarch without the state enforcing absentee ownership. The state that is an involuntary government thrust on the people perpetuates all wrongs and creates many that need not even exist. The problem is cyclical in the way human lives are cyclical. Children need to be educated, young men and women need to be reminded, old people must be taken care of by their families so that they not succumb to the welfare state promises of some tyrant or another.


 No.754

>>658

>anticapitalist

>pro libertarian

pick one

>>659

how is capitalism flawed?

>>728

>the concept of money and currency should be able to work more effectively and fairly on it's own.

that is literally capitalism piss pour arguement as to why its flawed

>>732

>The answer is having any money available to be optional to anyone.

literally communism

>capitalism sucks

>telling others how to live their private lives and market interactions sucks

ok you really need to pick one now.


 No.757

>>754

>>The answer is having any money available to be optional to anyone.

>

>literally communism

>

>>capitalism sucks

>

>>telling others how to live their private lives and market interactions sucks

>

>ok you really need to pick one now.

Did you just say that allowing anyone to be able to use any currency optionally is communism or that not mandating a government enforced one currency is telling others how to live?




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 No.733[Reply]

When a situation like this is instigated and gets more volatile daily, how do we calmly deal with it?

How do you calmly deal with some of these major developments that will affect you one way or another soon if they haven't already? How do you calmly deal with these issues when they inevitably hit you directly in the face?

 No.746

Crisis*

I Deal with it by coming to a aggrement- and then slowly take it away.


 No.748

>>746

Crises (plural)

you take away the agreement?




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 No.747[Reply]

What are your views on the goverment hiding secrets?

Do you care?

Give me your view.

Also, Dubs get?



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