/midpol/ - Politically (Mis)Informed

I have a hard time accepting the claim that losing Greece would be hard/impossible/a bad thing for Europe. It became obvious pretty soon that Greece was way to broken internally (and ignorant towards it) to be able to fix itself. Now that we're at the third bailout, it starts to look like I was right about that. They're not going to change. They just can't. At least not fast enough. Right now they're trying to keep themselves afloat as long as they can, while just doing enough to keep the money coming in, which is already hard enough for them as it is.

Greece is a bottomless pit. We're being too nice. Keeping the money flowing is only enabling them at this point. Knowing people (especially the kind that lied in the first place, which they did), the priority of the ones in charge will be to ensure their own financial future. The country will be second place. I can guarantee that.

Even now there are already questions about what is really happening to the bailout money and all I can do is sit back in amazement how they didn't even think to check this. It's like they want this drug addict to buy more drugs with the handouts. It's like governments have no understanding of how people work.

And while it sucks for those Greeks that are fucked over by their own government and the system, but that doesn't mean we should just let them take Europe down with them. Cut off the rotten limb. I really just want them gone now, whatever the consequences, because I doubt it can be worse than keeping this drain in.

>>410

I agree that Greece is obviously a burden to the EU, but the EU doesn't kick out member countries out.

In the interest of the people, I think Greece would have left the EU now if they could of. On the other hand, my main worry for Greece is that it is very vulnerable and it can be exploited in the interests of corporations so 'they' are benefiting from the crisis.

Perhaps Brussels is trying to figure out how to save the Greeks but I do not have faith in them.

I think with the rise of Golden Dawn, crowds will start to get bigger and more violent. If the Greek people believe they have power then they will force their way out of the EU.

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I also recommend the documentary Euromania:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO4Ayo4mYZg

Should go back to polythiestic citystates

>>402

It keeps getting worse.

I don't think the ECB (European Central Bank) (nor the EU) would be too happy if Greece were to ever break up and part their own way, likely Greece would join the BRICS nations which threatens the hegemony of both the Euro and the Dollar. Note the fact that it was Western elites who created the idea of a 'European Union' to exploit European nations and create more (economic) alliances with the US way back in the day (confirmed by Wikileaks' dynbase documents that were leaked).

We now see other nations, like Ireland and Portugal, that are very unstable and may follow the same fate as Greece. Germany being the ONLY nation that can keep up economically in the EU. The worst thing for the ECB and their Euro hegemony would be to see a breakup of PIIGS nations from the EU. This could also further undermine the US dollar too if those nations were to set up alternative financial transactions and trade with competing BRICS nations.

Every crisis we now see around the world has to do with economics and countries struggling to maintain financial control. As for nations like Greece who think they live under 'democracy', that has proven to be delusional, they do not have any democracy. Their referendums do not matter, as was already proven, the EU still has a very powerful stranglehold (likely not just financial - but military as well). My prediction is we will soon see a multi-polar economic system, where Eurasia (the CIS nations) and the new EEU (Eurasian Economic Union) will compete with the current IMF SDR standard (meaning they will do trade outside the Euro and Dollar). This is already causing countries to 'dump' (liquidate) treasuries from Western nations while investing in their own reserves for alternative trade.

The goal of the Federal Reserve / ECB / IMF was to maintain unipolar hegemony over the rest of the world, exploit economic crises to consolidate resources for their own interests HOWEVER other nations have caught on to this scheme and you can bet you're ass that it will end within the next decade (unless there is another World War to prevent it).

>>415

one of these things is not like the others