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 No.622

Without devolving into THE JEWS and such should the US retain its allied status with Israel? Should we be sending them foreign aid? Should we be sending them arms and assisting them in military operations?

 No.623

With all the funding going into Israel, they would be mad to suddenly discontinue their relationship as it would be a massive waste of time and money. From a military point of view, Israel is another access point in the Middle East for the US, something that Russia barely has. They have their own nuclear weapons and special forces so they are a good military ally. I don't think the US military care about who they are or their history as long as they are helping them in the war.


 No.624

>>622

Yes to all of the above. Who else will defend western values in the middle east?


 No.628

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>>622

MASSIVE REDPILL


 No.701

>>628

So long as they are in exile I don't mind jews. But once that Jewish State is created they are also told in their bible to become the owners of the planet and all who dwell on it.


 No.720

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>>628

See for yourself, and see if you are really right.

(Allusion to the holocaust and the restoration of Israel)

Ezekiel 37:1-14 KJV

The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord , and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

[2] And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.

[3] And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God , thou knowest.

[4] Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord .

[5] Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

[6] And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord .

[7] So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

[8] And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

[9] Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God ; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

[10] So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army. [11] Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

[12] Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God ; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. [13] And ye shall know that I am the Lord , when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

[14] And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it , and performed it , saith the Lord .

(Now he talks about the Nation of Israel, keep in mind that since this this time Israel has never been a nation on now, in 1947)

Ezekiel 37:21-23 KJV

And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God ; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

[22] And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

[23] Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. (Profecy often happen in stages, keep that in mind)

(Israel is one of the biggest agricultural potency, it also says it will never cease from being a nation)

Amos 9:13-15 KJV

Behold, the days come, saith the Lord , that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt. [14] And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them ; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.

[15] And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.

(Many Islamic Nations try to destroy Israel, last days, just years from now )

Psalm 83:1-8 KJV

Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.

[2] For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.

[3] They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.

[4] They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

[5] For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:

[6] The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;

[7] Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;

[8] Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

Trying to say that Jews should remains scattered and prosecuted around the world because of some Rabbinical teaching? Nope, NOT TODAY!


 No.722

No, we should break ties with Israel entirely. No aid (unless humanitarian), no arms, no nothing.

Imagine all the Middle Eastern countries as selfish violent children. When a superpower sides with one of them, the one they sided with will feel entitled and "special" compared to the rest, despite still being a selfish child. We should pull out our teat entirely and let the children decide if they want to all get along, or continue in mutual destruction until nothing is left.


 No.723

>>722

i hope you understand

-israel has persons often born in america or who go to america to get education

-america provides funding to israel much of which is used to go back to americ and get education

-military industrial complex is a lucrative market

-how israel came about and whether or not the jews of europe can be traced to ancient israel

-what proxy wars are


 No.726

>>723

Stop speaking in riddles please, what is the purpose of listing all of those statements?


 No.727

>>726

America does not just cut off ties with Israel without cutting off other things.

There are profits to be made and opportunity costs to be considered.


 No.734

>>727

That's what I kind of figured, though I didn't want to imply in case was mistaken. Thank you for specifying.

Profits for us or for them?

If for us, is it the American people who have to gain, or strictly the Government? There would be much better, more stable and renewable methods for gaining capital if that was the case.

If they are mainly making capital off of us without us gaining much return, why continue to do so if the rest of the country is deteriorating regardless?

I can rarely think of anything else in it for the US for helping side with Israel. It's not like they promote American ideals. (well maybe our anti-native ideal, see Palestine.)


 No.739

>>734

So government is a bunch of people. Of course many of them get special deals and donations but more than that they get many private payments. Who is naive enough to think that the campaign contributions which are public are the extent to which corporations buy politicians?

Beyond that Israel offers a relatively stable area that will be there whether or not we decommision the bases in the middle east. Some people believe that Israel is not to be trusted and theres some Israeli politicians being outright hostile to USA interests. However deluded or not politicians are many of the ones in the senate believe it is a beneficial relationship.

The military industrial complex profits off all of us. Voting won't change that.

In a way American Ideals are being supported…

That's the problem.




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