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 No.658

going to fly off the deep end here

>US will spend 43 million dollars on a gas station in the middle of nowhere in the desert in afghanistan

>$7000 coffee makers

>$600 toilet seats

>$37 for A screw

>$435 for a hammer

>$285 screwdriver

>$387 flat washer

>$469 wrench

>$214 flashlight,

>$437 tape measure

>$2,228 monkey wrench,

>$748 pair of duckbill pliers

>$74,165 aluminum ladder

>$659 ashtray

>$1,118.26 for a spare plastic cap for a navigator’s stool on a B-52 bomber (worth about two cents)

>Defense Accounting Finance Service writes $22 billion in checks every month

>Mark Krenik (pentagon officer) created a phony company and then billed himself $504,000. He had to repay the money, but was not sentenced to prison. Probation only, and a $495 fine. He told the federal judge that he did it because everyone else in his section was doing to the same, but he was not required to name names.

>Sgt. Robbie Miller convicted and sent to prison for stealing $1 million. would not have been caught but was involved in affairs with female co-workers. Agents say they got Miller when he was hauling evidence out of the office to burn it.

>Contractors were billing $300 a night hotel rooms, private jet flights, meals at five star restaurants and bar bills to the government.

>Air Force non-commissioned officers like Miller, who handle giant

accounts at Dayton, call any vendor account that is less than $100,000

“budget dust” and say it’s not worth the time or effort trying to

recover.

>hundreds of billions into stupid wasteful trash every year

>monsanto claims it needs to genetically modify our crops and use pesticides because it helps make the world a better place

>has the biggest and most expensive military and military budget in the entire world that makes the nasa budget look like pocket change in comparison

>claims space travel is too expensive

>claims they can't afford a living wage

>claims they can't give war veterans all the help they need as t.v. commercials go on and on with sad country music with vets missing arms and legs "help the veterans!"

>claims they can't cure Cancer/HIV/Ebola/ as the pink ribbon shows up on KFC chicken buckets everywhere that contain cancer causing ingredients

>claims they can't afford universal health care

>claims they can't house every homeless person

>claims they can't grow all crops organically

>claims they can't feed the poor unless the people themselves donate food, time, and money.

>claims people absolutely must pay taxes because otherwise they would go to jail for making the country crumble apart in failure.

http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=96;t=000012;p=0

http://www.wnd.com/2000/10/4314/

http://articles.latimes.com/1986-07-30/news/vw-18804_1_nut

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_trafficking

DailyFail: https://archive.is/RnMCc

Fox: https://archive.is/ZhRPL

BostonHerald: https://archive.is/ojJ6p

 No.659

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capitalism is technically "money" "ism" basically capitalism is in a way a religious belief in- and false idol worship of capital and/or currency.

capitalism as a system as a whole is simply a slightly better disguised version of "wage slavery" that has been designed from the ground up to be a system that is easily manipulated by those few people at the top who hold more money than everyone else in the world combined.

>The cure to BAD regulation is GOOD regulation, not NO regulation; that just leads to cartels and you're right back where you are now. Regulatory capture fools so many young libertarians into thinking that regulation itself is inherently bad when what you need is regulation to keep the free market free and break up cartels.

Of course the solution is without a doubt NOT anarchy, however:

>The solution to everyone finding loopholes in everything and breaking the rules by getting around all the rules……….

>is to make more rules

capitalism as a system itself is flawed. currency, money is flawed.


 No.660

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to be sure everyone understands:

>I am Jewish.

>I am Against Zionism.

>I am Against Capitalism.

>I am PRO Libertarian.


 No.693

bump?


 No.694

thread bumping


 No.728

>>659

Well put.

Capitalism is very flawed, however is money or currency itself flawed, rather then the way it's currently created, distributed or used?

Currency at it's core has always been a way to exchange goods.

You have chicken, but need more spear? Let trade, I have many spear, but no chicken!

Instead of trading a chicken for a spear, currency was invented (lets base it on chicken). I'll sell you this spear for 3 gold pieces! (equal to as much as a chicken).

The problem is when currency becomes so obscure that in reality, it isn't worth anything, or isn't based off of anything other than artificial set amounts.

Current system:

The government prints money

The banks help regulate money

People get paid money, so they can spend it on things

The government takes money from people (that it gave them) to spend it on things (taxes).

The government sets prices on some things, so people can afford them.

Now also throw other countries and their own money into the equation, it's a mess.

This system seems very flawed, but the concept of money and currency should be able to work more effectively and fairly on it's own.


 No.731

>>660

minarchist or anarchist?


 No.732

>>728

That problem is easily solved by not allowing states/governments to have monopolies on anything. They will abuse it, always, eventually. America was the ideal minimalist state but even that small seed will grow to full tyranny when people grow complacent, and they always do.

So the answer is not nationalised banks that can print money without debt, though that is better than federal reserve system.

The answer is not borrowing money from international cartels that use war for land and resource grabs.

The answer is having any money available to be optional to anyone.

This obviously creates problems with taxation, regulation, banking.

Governments and banks are shit anyway and the proof that they are necessary whether they are good or bad always revolve around circular logic.

Of course in a society based on governments and banks taking out money/debt will profit more than any other way without taking out a debt when using a sound expansionist business model.

However that may not be the case with a good business model in a society that is not prone to government/corporation sponsored inflation, taxes, corporate sponsored restrictions (that just "regulate" the increasing power of internationalist corporations). Short term debts may be useful but really would not make sense in a society where constant and perpetual inflation are not mandated by the state.

In short, capitalism sucks, communism sucks, telling others how to live their private lives and market interactions sucks.


 No.735

>>732

Glad we can discuss this.

So a system in which currency may exist (but not be mandatory to have or trade) that isn't regulated or produced by the government would be ideal then.

Man, that would truly be the most free market of all. Would it be able to work with a large population though? Or even within a structure of a country or state?


 No.740

>>735

>So a system in which currency may exist (but not be mandatory to have or trade) that isn't regulated or produced by the government would be ideal then.

>

>Man, that would truly be the most free market of all. Would it be able to work with a large population though? Or even within a structure of a country or state?

A country/state that is voluntary is possible, so long as people aren't forced into it by issue of birth or residence.

I don't see why it would not work with a large population, resources could not be owned by some distant oligarch without the state enforcing absentee ownership. The state that is an involuntary government thrust on the people perpetuates all wrongs and creates many that need not even exist. The problem is cyclical in the way human lives are cyclical. Children need to be educated, young men and women need to be reminded, old people must be taken care of by their families so that they not succumb to the welfare state promises of some tyrant or another.


 No.754

>>658

>anticapitalist

>pro libertarian

pick one

>>659

how is capitalism flawed?

>>728

>the concept of money and currency should be able to work more effectively and fairly on it's own.

that is literally capitalism piss pour arguement as to why its flawed

>>732

>The answer is having any money available to be optional to anyone.

literally communism

>capitalism sucks

>telling others how to live their private lives and market interactions sucks

ok you really need to pick one now.


 No.757

>>754

>>The answer is having any money available to be optional to anyone.

>

>literally communism

>

>>capitalism sucks

>

>>telling others how to live their private lives and market interactions sucks

>

>ok you really need to pick one now.

Did you just say that allowing anyone to be able to use any currency optionally is communism or that not mandating a government enforced one currency is telling others how to live?




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