What is your oppinion on global warming /midpol/?

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Gutless Flip-flopper 12/27/14 (Sat) 16:24:44 No.94

What is your oppinion on global warming /midpol/?

Gutless Flip-flopper 12/27/14 (Sat) 16:35:21 No.95

Global Warming is real. The question is how much contribution anthropogenic global warming making to the whole thing. This is a matter of debate for me. I think global warming itself is not a hoax. It is part natural phenomenon, part man made. I think the man made part is being heavily exaggerated to promote an anti industry agenda

Hoosier Gutless Flip-flopper 12/27/14 (Sat) 16:41:56 No.97

>>95
Yeah that sounds like a down to earth answer. Wasn't there a whole shit load of incriminating leaked emails for global warming as well, talking about how they manipulated findings?

Gutless Flip-flopper 12/27/14 (Sat) 17:04:35 No.98

>>97
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate/

A new batch of 5,000 emails among scientists central to the assertion that humans are causing a global warming crisis were anonymously released to the public yesterday, igniting a new firestorm of controversy nearly two years to the day after similar emails ignited the Climategate scandal.

Three themes are emerging from the newly released emails: (1) prominent scientists central to the global warming debate are taking measures to conceal rather than disseminate underlying data and discussions; (2) these scientists view global warming as a political “cause” rather than a balanced scientific inquiry and (3) many of these scientists frankly admit to each other that much of the science is weak and dependent on deliberate manipulation of facts and data.

Gutless Flip-flopper 12/29/14 (Mon) 14:03:55 No.121

Cultural marxism spreading everywhere and one of the results is the Global Warming Agenda. These people claim so much certainty while predicting something as complicated as Global Climate that it is breathtaking

Gutless Flip-flopper 12/29/14 (Mon) 16:00:04 No.127

>>94
I think its mainly BS.

Gutless Flip-flopper 12/30/14 (Tue) 06:05:57 No.135

I think the global warming debate has unfortunately polarized the environment debate too much. It has polarized the situation. You are either a full on Global Warming Cultist or a Corporate propaganda believing tool.

I choose the middle ground. I do agree that it is difficult to say anything on global climate with certainty. However, even if this were not true, we should be working to improve the environment. both global and local. There is nothing wrong with some investments or tax breaks to green technologies. If they can produce cities with less smog, whats the harm?

Gutless Flip-flopper 01/05/15 (Mon) 05:05:42 No.152

>>95
This, also:

My view on Global Warming/Climate Change is "So what?" People keep talking like it's something we need to prevent or reverse, and I just laugh at them.

Of course we should take care of the environment, it's the responsible thing to do. When I have to drink that water, I sure ain't peeing in it, but the lengths people go to is completely ridiculous.

Bathroom Humor 01/05/15 (Mon) 05:12:51 No.153

Climate change is real. It impossible to deny that without ignoring direct evidence.
The globe is also warming, even though its (obviously) not equal warming in all parts of the globe. The oceans are soaking up a large amount of the the heat (and CO2, for that matter). But things are getting toastier, slowly.

Part of it may be due to a normal cycle of warming (though I find that claim dubious, as we should be heading into an ice age pretty 'soon'), but I find it hard to imagine that things would be changing THIS quickly without human intervention to speed it along.
But in the end, I have agree with >>135 in that even if CO2 isn't going to warm us up very much, I think that taking better care of the planet going into the future is a GOOD idea because holy fuck we live here and it will be a LONG time before Mars is ready for large colonies. Why take the risk on fucking something else up?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL82yk73N8eoX-Xobr_TfHsWPfAIyI7VAP

I saw this list on slashdot and watched it a while back. It's a pretty good watch IMO.

Gutless Flip-flopper 01/06/15 (Tue) 14:53:04 No.158

The problem with global warming specifically and environment initiatives in general is that it is difficult to co-ordinate global action i.e it is virtually impossible to get all the major nations on board to do something.

The developing countries like China, Brazil, India etc will not agree to any agenda from the developed nations because they feel they will lose out on growth by investing in costly green technologies. All those countries need cheap dirty fuels such as coal for their power.

When this happens, this in turn makes the industrialists in developed countries wary and refuse to agree to any agenda because it puts them at a competitive disadvantage to industry in developing counties. The cycle goes on and on. Perhaps one day when green technologies are more cost effective the resistance to improving the environment eases and something gets done

Gutless Flip-flopper 01/06/15 (Tue) 18:43:59 No.159

>>158
It's not that countries can't get their shit together(see the Montreal Protocol), but that it's hard to generate the energy required for a modern industrial society without generating carbon dioxide.

Bathroom Humor 01/06/15 (Tue) 19:22:34 No.160

>>158
Well, if the developed world took more action to help curb climate change (looking at you, America), they could then impose carbon taxes on imports from developing countries, and/or offer help in building infrastructure for greener (or lets say, less climate transforming) fuel and power tech. I dunno, every little bit helps here. Hopefully renewables and nuclear will eventually become efficient and foolproof enough for China and India. Coal does terrible things to people and surrounding ecosystems, on top of the C02 emissions.

>>159
Nuclear is a perfectly acceptable candidate for large scale base-load energy production, for when batteries can't store enough renewable energy or there just isn't enough sun and wind.
The problem with Nuclear is it takes a while to see a pay off from investment, and dumbasses think it's OK to ignore regulation to save money on that investment, which is exactly the worst thing to do with Nuclear power. With proper maintenance and safety protocols enforced, fission has been the safest and one of the greenest power sources to date.
But, thanks to human fuckups (and the help of natural catastrophe) the current nuclear scare is driving countries to miscategorize it as inherently unsafe, when in reality it can be built and maintained as perfectly safe, if cutting costs and slacking off wasn't so attractive.
So now we have people who don't want to build newer, better nuclear power plants, and that pushes them off onto the next best thing; Natural gas or coal.

Gutless Flip-flopper 01/06/15 (Tue) 23:20:19 No.162

>>159
>>160
Let me amend that to "modern industrial society that shits the bed whenever nuclear is mentioned".

Anonymous 04/08/15 (Wed) 23:06:28 No.219

Definitely real, obviously aggravated if not caused by human activity. Not so much "Mad Max Soon" more like "I hope you don't enjoy fish all that much."

Anonymous 04/09/15 (Thu) 17:35:57 No.224

>>97
>>98

The first Climategate was utter bs. The "manipulating findings" ("hide the decline") was referring to some tree ring data that correlated well with temperature prior to the mid-20th century but not later. So one scientist suggested to another to throw out the bad section and replace it with direct temperature recordings – which was indicated in the graph.

Anonymous 04/09/15 (Thu) 18:42:02 No.226

>opinion
Needs prompt action.

Anonymous 05/04/15 (Mon) 17:23:32 No.246

>>94

I think it is real but it doesn't matter what the US and Europe do. If China and India don't change their ways we are fucked.

Anonymous 05/04/15 (Mon) 17:25:37 No.247

Real but not caused by humans. There shouldn't be any ice on our polars imo because that's how the planet should be: warm beachs, hot deserts, and denser jungles.

Anonymous 05/04/15 (Mon) 19:07:50 No.270

Climate change (gloabl warming) is real. Full stop. There's evidence that it's happened before. It continues to happen. As far as we can tell, it cyclic.

With that said, the arrogance of saying "it's clearly man's fault" this time is, frankly, staggering. We're too young to have reliable, first-hand knowledge of anything. It's all assumptions and extrapolations.

Publicly speaking, I take a "whatever" standpoint. We're not gonna be able to do shit about it now - we'll either have to adapt as a species to survive it, or the earth will shake us off like fleas. It's not stoppable. Mother Gaia won't look down at us and say "Since you guys did so god and pulled together, I'll turn the thermostat back down". Best case scenario, we can take some measures now so our descendants can have this very same conversation in 100 years.

Anonymous 05/08/15 (Fri) 22:43:52 No.311

>>160

Pretty much this. The greenest and most efficient energy is nuclear, but the ones that want it to be banished the most, are the people who voice the loudest concerns about climate change. They're contradicting themselves, but shouting loud enough to change something.

Another problem is, is that with some research, we could get much better reactors. And I mean better in everry sense:

A less dangerous material is needed, it can be retrieved and reused from the waste, they're more effecient. The only benefit from our current reactors is, well, they're cheaper to build initially.

Anonymous 05/08/15 (Fri) 22:47:10 No.312

>>247

There is hard data that it is caused by humans. What do you say about that?

Your opinion on that matter is irrelevant. With the climate change, there are also more storms, tornadoes and land disappearing because of the raising sealevel.

>hot deserts

Our deserts are already hot, and near inhabitable, if it gets hotter, more land will get inhabitable.

Anonymous 05/11/15 (Mon) 15:31:01 No.319

>>312

not that anon

My understanding is that the data suggests humans are accelerating it, not causing it. It was going to get hotter anyway, we just propped the door open.

Anonymous 05/13/15 (Wed) 02:35:13 No.322

>>247

Redneck christfag detected.

Anonymous 06/30/15 (Tue) 23:20:39 No.385

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>>319

It might have increased a little, but in general, we were at a temperature peak that was about to drop, see pic related

Anonymous 08/30/15 (Sun) 16:17:11 No.497

>>94

A subject that is spammed with lots of graphs but most of them are massaged data. When you talk about the real questions about how much of an impact do humans realy have you usually don't get any discussion at all.

Until they stop trying to force the billions of people that earn under 50k a year around the world to pay carbon taxes (usually the only "solution") and other bs to fix the mistakes of corporations that continue damaging our environment, the supporters of climate-change/global-warming/planetary-cooling are all useful idiots for the real environment destroyers and useless for discussion copy pasta bots.

Anonymous 10/28/15 (Wed) 23:02:35 No.610

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>>94

I don't necessarily believe in global warming, rather I believe in severe climate change.

humans are effecting the world and screwing everything up.

the only reason we are not using better alternative energies is because of greed, and money.

the government suppresses new technology constantly.

look up all the amazing inventors to create new hydrogen fuel cells for clean infinite fuel and go missing or are murdered shortly after. there are huge amounts of results on the internet.

Anonymous 10/28/15 (Wed) 23:03:00 No.611

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>>610

also