/monster/ - The Last Bastion of Romance

>>153582

I'd probably give the humans a numbers advantage, but the monsters a power advantage.

Depending on how in-depth you want to make the stat system, my suggestion would be three stats for each character, being something like Strength, Speed, and Vitality. Resolving character to character combat would just be subtracting their strength from your vitality, with the character that has the most speed going first.

For example, a Harpy attacks a Knight. Harpy has higher speed, so the damage she inflicts to the Knight would happen before the Knight hits back with superior Strength and takes her out. On the flip side, if the Harpy attacked something weaker and took them out first, she wouldn't take damage because the opponent wouldn't be able to respond.

Obviously there would have to be some sort of limit as to which units you can pick so that either side at least looks balanced.

I think the feel of KC's setting is best preserved if humans are more of a resource or natural hazard than an outright faction. I mean, even if an Ushi-Oni is comparable to a warhammer fantasy Shaggoth Dragon Ogre, a human army hasn't really got an answer to one that's angry and alert other than get out of the way and try to seal her in her sleep.

>>153594

Trying to implement equipment without making it too complicated is tough, because if you were to add in armor saves and stuff based on a character's individual kit, you've essentially got a more rape-y WH40k game.

A good basis I think to go off of would be XCOM. Your units have an armor value that absorb a little damage from each attack until a certain kind of damage or attack from a unit with a certain trait "shreds" it. Maybe a Dragon or a Hellhound has a "Sharp Claws" trait that shreds one armor from a unit every time they attack, and stuff like Kitsune magic or Elf arrows would pierce the armor, doing more direct damage that doesn't shred but ignores the armor.

>>153590

I do kinda like this idea. Maybe if you had two armies of monster girls and one giant human keep in the center, and the win condition is either you destroy the other army or you conquer the humans first.

>>153599

Yeah, I could see that. If you wanted to integrate it with the armor idea then you could give weapons a damage-class, like slashing, thrusting, or striking. Slashing would be more effective against unarmored units, striking against heavy-armored units, and thrusting somewhere between. Magic would be on a more case-by-case basis, depending on what kind of spell it is.

This whole premise is really pretty interesting, I kind of want to see if I can make it virtually

Early game humans are weak, but versatile: a human can be equipped for almost any role while your average MG has one role and has to stick to it.

Late game humans should be much more dangerous, teching up they most likely will unlock guns, inaccurate black powder version but a single shot is usually enough to kill a MG and cannons WILL kill anything they hit.

I like the idea of a Civilization/Total War style game, with humans being a resource that has the potential to get dangerously out of control if not properly managed. I like the idea of playing a campaign only to find that the Lizards let their human population get too high, and now there's a Paladln faction with an economy noone can match crusading to restore the great human empire. This would force rival monster nations to forge uneasy alliances in order to force them back.

I also would love for each type of monster to have stats that affect for than just combat abilty. Imagine having to hold certain units in reserve because, while your Hellhounds could certainly take the outer walls of a human settlement quickly, too many would begin to proactivly take husbands from the defeated defenders for you to have a fighting force big enough to take the city square.

>>153649

I like #2 if we're thinking from a tabletop perspective, and maybe a little bit of both if you were going for a vidya gaem or something.

>>153649

#2 sounds pretty good.

So, thinking about species, how about we balance them according to certain things they're good at and bad at. Also, was thinking if this was something more similar to tactics ogre or fire emblem rather than a large army game, different races can have abilities (as well as personalized/class-specific ones). Example:

Humans

Ability: Adrenaline

For a short few minutes after being critically injured/low health, unit gains massive boost to strength and speed, unlimited endurance, but lower skill. Can only be activated again after being healed for >80% health.

Mantis

Ability: Exoskeleton

Slight boost to natural defense, heavy resistance to slashing and crushing damage. Increased weakness to piercing damage.

>>153582

Is this just theory or is this an actual plan because we can't be going too crazy if this is a plan. I've played a lot of 4X games where every unit has pages of special abilities and modifiers and shit so no idea what you're aiming for. The more realistic and immersive you aim to be then the more details and work need to be put in.

> >>153599

Work up with that, create a bunch of different army types.

For example, you could have an 'infiltrators' army, comprised of Alps, Succubi, Demons, etc. that are extremely powerful but can disguise themselves as humans. Civilian units have to be evacuated in X mission, but how can you tell the imposter from the real one?

>>153582

Go play the shit out of the two GSG Dominion 4 and Conquest of Elysium 4. Both have a insane wide range of monsters, many non-monster girls, but some that are. Succubus, Nymphs, etc etc. Those two games will give you a good idea of how humans fare against monsters.

Also, do you intend to use a virtual tabletop like maptools for this game? I find that knowing that ahead of time makes a huge difference for these sort of thing.

/tg also has a thread on 'mging' DnD, which is kinda weird since Dnd already has a shitton of monster girls.

Just some unripe idea I want to throw out here:

Adding some kind of "energy background count" mechanic for the mapgrids sounds like something that would fit the established fluff and allow you to put less emphasis on the outright unit vs unit combat that most games have.

For ex. some average slimegirl will not be all that much of a combatmonster, compared to say an Ushi-Oni.

But exactly by not being so strong and intimidating she might have an easier time to 'infiltrate' and snatch a husbando in a human-centric mapspot.

Having her succeeding at that would then over time help change public opinion and background count to a level that makes the area more monsterfriendly, allow magic-heavy girls to appear and the more intimidating MGs to go around without everyone running off in fear of CPS.

>>153767

If it's fixed stats then go 1-10, since it's simpler. If you can level up or get bonuses then go 1-100, which would make it more balanced than upping the skill by tenths every time.

Non-Paladindu males have a The D stat. Or whatever you want to call it. Which is their ability to recruit non-attached monstergirls to their side. Think of it like a roll check or something. Monsters of course have a resistances to it. Submissive ones are easier to recruit, dominate one's harder etc. And monsters can recruit men to their side in a similar way. Paladindus and human women are resistant to most monster subduction, but can't recruit monsters.

>>153798

>Paladindudus

Was that subconscious on my part, or does /monster/ have a word filter for the word Paladindu?

Also

>Paladindudus and human women are resistant to most monster subduction

Make that immune.

>>153767

Maptools is what I use. It allows for use of any sided dice, as well as fudge dice and rolling for dice warhammer style (the 4d6s3 roll for example, roll four six sided die, and it tells you how many are 3 or above. Very important for rolling huge block of dice in Warhammer.)

The reason I mentioned COE4 was that you can probably crib the basic battle system. It's simple and works. A better choice for that might be cribbing off of Age of Fear 2, since AOF lacks the GSG element, it's just pure combat.

I been making my own homebrews for a while, and I can tell you right now, the best thing to do is to keep it simple and find a good game to base your game off of. Final fantasy tactics, Age of Fear, XCOM or Shadowrun Returns, a simplified Dnd or Warhammer, COE4, all are good choices as long as you don't mind being 'gamey'.

>>153847

Is this going to be regimental combat with block of units tearing at each other, or is this a skirmish game, with a small team duking it out against a small team?

>>153859

Okay. For the sake of lore, I'm going to play devil's advocate. You're doing this on /monster and not /tg, and you're talking about making Paladindus and monster girls opposing sides, so I'm guessing this is going to be based off of a non-stupid version of MGE.

How in the world are people going to organize said monster girls when most of them are dumb as a rock and lack human tool using and organization? Are they just going to be small squads or single units, like a dragon girl being equal to say, 18 greatswords in a fight?

It's doable to do a regimental wargame and those are cool as fuck, but anything MGE-inspired lends itself better to skirmish. Skirmish is a hell of a lot easier to make, since there is a lot more material to base your game off of.

Also, if you want, I can give you my skype and share some of what I done before. I have made regimental before and can even boot up a server on maptools to show you.

>>153865

Sorry, I probably just misremembered something or got something mixed up.

Yeah, doing both is fun for the same lore, since it let you explore combat in different ways. Regimental is a lot harder to balance, because it takes longer to test and there are less games to take ideas from.

The other thing I want to ask is, what do you know of game design? Are you willing to sit down and do the math? Figure out probability and shit like that?

>>153859

Could do value based squads. Each unit is worth so many points and you can only have so many points per squad.

God dammit, Hotwheels. Fix your fucking site.

>>153903

Well, it's hard to go wrong with Fire Emblem so I would be OK with this.

>>153949

A possible idea is focusing less on the human versus monster aspect and just making monsters tools for all sides. After all, you could run the usual Order versus Chaos or Good versus Evil (however you choose to define the latter). Just as how necromancy is just a tool for all sides in Dom4 rather than 'bad evil generic side on it's own' (Barring Ermor and Lemuria)

>>153962

Yeah, like maybe Civilization but with MG's: Different human faction like Japan, England, Arabia, ect and they also get MG's that are based off things from their cultures and region.

A Greek hoplite wall standing against incoming enemies while their centaur allies flank and pepper the foe with arrows.

Thousands of Japanese samurai clashing against Chinese troops as Oni and Jiangshi smash into the fray.

Spanish Conquistadores sail across the Atlantic with harpy's and mermaids acting as scouts, exploring and conquering the New World.

>>153949

Cut down the lolcorruption while we're at it. Not saying that monsterization is impossible, but as written in KC canon where it is permanent, practically irreversible, and spreads like fucking kudzu? Not gonna tolerate that shit.

The fact the KC doesn't get the point of corruption and the horror that goes with it goes without saying.

>>154048

Maybe we replace cosmic with Old Gods?

Why not separate them based on backgrounds. Have all the undead in a faction, all the deamons in another. Rope in the Mon's who are most likely to form a city, such as Lizardgirls and Minotaurs, into a coalition of free states."Forest" can be elfs and half the other pedia of plant based Mons. Dwarfs leading a ground type faction Hold the rest like Orcs and Centaur in a loose "Bandit" or "Nomad" faction.

I think it would be best and easiest to form a main group of 4-5 factions and have everyone else fall under them or as potential allies. The way Age of Wonders 3 does it with the main armies but allowing you to gain minor cities with Pixies and Ice Giants.

>>154033

KC designed his setting as what he thinks is the ultimate low-hanging fruit: a place where you never ever die (or if you do, you can always be reanimated), your days are filled with MUH PLEZZUR almost 24/7, you never need work for anything least of all your own survival, and the only sources of real conflict get brainwashed into joining the monsters.

Leaving aside the fact that he's allergic to criticism, and all of the grimdark and utterly sickening shit he threw into his setting, it commits one very grievous error: audience apathy. There's no reason to root for anyone: you know the Demon Lord's going to win right off the bat, and humanity has too few real advantages (of which relying on the current Chief God's gifts is not one of them, given the nature of the system in place). And when the DL does win, it'll be a neverending orgy until either all the men die out or the sun goes giant. There's nothing to keep you hooked other than fantasies of being with your waifu, and there's much better settings for that kind of thing, settings where you're not forced to become twisted into something you're not just so your waifu is pleased, knowingly or not.

So, yeah. the art is pretty much the only thing worth caring about. Fans can write much better than KC can, but that's like saying that a can opener is better at opening cans than a wrench.

>>153989

Holy transformations should be painful or limited.

>>154073

>sickening shit.

let me guess your a normalfag that hates loli.

>>154076

…where did I say anything about Holy?

>>154260

Any decent person would hate loli.

>>154295

Friend, you just insulted a fuck-huge portion of MG fans, and for that I respect you.

Seriously though fuck loli's, they always are shit tier looking with just as bad personality's.

>>153980

This is a great idea Anon but some Nations have a lot more MGs than others and there would also have to be some on multiple sides because of slight variations of the same MG in different folklores