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. 05/27/15 (Wed) 02:36:01 fb1e46 No.335

>>201

Tutorials for the sticky you say?

Lets do this. Post 1

Humanization tutorial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mr-rCkRrvg

(2007, in FL Studio, shitty recording, only valid for some genres)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvV1FLrjmck

cheating with music theory for brainless creation of jazz and solos.

getting over writers block

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpeaaOHXRuw

Cheating music theory - Melodies from chords, and vice versa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgkNO-6Csqc

actual music theory -Intervals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wc2s1XTgKU

actual music theory - how this guy learned his shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miniO5Y0YPY

music theory - Tension

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D180XXa8m4s

. 05/27/15 (Wed) 02:59:14 fb1e46 No.336

>>335

cont. Post 2

Music theory - call and response (SUPER FUCKING IMPORTANT TO KNOW)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT8N1rsSQ-Y

Examples of how easy it is to make house music that everyone must have seen by now

–One more time - samples - more spell on yout

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ztzl_VYlX4

Smack my bitch up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU5Dn-WaElI

firestarter

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZImvdZ3EZI

Voodoo people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZYLp5uX9Yw

That video about the amen break that absolutely everyone has seen that if you haven't seen should be mandatory to view, and also includes mentions of copyright

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SaFTm2bcac

incomplete List of daft punk samples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpZRNq33Obk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9pyJFJOKp0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Ndijo2ysM

random french house samples list

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwPOQLtUJlg

. 05/27/15 (Wed) 03:09:23 fb1e46 No.337

>>336

Cont. Post 3

How to make vaporwave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyt_87yCyNw

How to make chillwave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91jVZAfIgu4

How to make trap music (congratulations on your life choices)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XMqZ6gOOHw

How to make breakcore (watch the amen break video first)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI8OHYikWfc

How to make DEEP HOUSE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEQMmJdYJ0g

How to make future funk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfYPH9ejRu8

Fuck it just subscribe to frankjavcee already, this is only some of his tutorials but they're the ones that have either helped me or I feel like they'll be more usefull for a chan type image board and the tastes I assume that they have.

. 05/27/15 (Wed) 03:13:10 fb1e46 No.338

Seamless tutorials

FL Studio basics (11.x)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGYoE903Nir5-wvI5ipGZMS6AYD1Le_iu

FL Studio basics (12.x)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGYoE903Nir5I5A8IBNVV0euTUuKcpq7Y

Production basics

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGYoE903Nir7qVmd-b333OT7Wj4EAltGT

FM Synths tutorials (Sytrus, FM8, etc)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGYoE903Nir5FeFcH7FYkk-r2ZgmgJLjc

Harmor tutorials

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGYoE903Nir70nHIO0uIPsVU3jGkyyAbb

"how to bass" - a series of tutorials designed for making bass music. usually uses sytrus and harmor, as well as lots of post FX. inteded for dubstep, DNB, Neurofunk type basses

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEC1FFC318383DAE0

. 05/27/15 (Wed) 03:24:09 fb1e46 No.339

>>338

cont part 5

How to be successfull

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlDhqs6zZz4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3ONhBxXesc

Seamless talks about some things

–labels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aivSa5sS7dY

–buzzwords

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZyyqcPrAcg

– the "best" DAW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVubPOUBLyo

. 05/27/15 (Wed) 03:36:40 fb1e46 No.340

>>339

part 6 - Software

–disclaimer–

I am on windows. I dont' pay attention to mac and linux. Some of this will be on linux as well, some of it might be on mac, but I don't pay attention to those things. Sorry.

Free trackers -

Sunvox

http://www.warmplace.ru/soft/sunvox/

OpenMPT

https://openmpt.org/

Milkytracker

http://milkytracker.org/

DefleMask (CHIPTUNES BRAH)

http://www.delek.com.ar/deflemask

Free audio editor

audacity

http://sourceforge.net/projects/audacity/

Highly under-rated free VSTs

MDA Plugins (VST and AU)

http://mda.smartelectronix.com/

DBlue Glitch

I don't personally use glitch, but download the "old vst plugins" pack. dblue Crush is the best bitcrusher i've ever had, and the tapestop is basically the tapestop that's in glitch. I don't use dblue glitch because automated glitch patterns in that way for somereason are always always always super obvious and anyone that knows what it is can just go "oh, that person just used dblue glitch and isn't tallented at glitching"

http://illformed.org/plugins/

Buffer Override - IMO when combined with dblue crusher, is the SUPREME GLTICH EFFECT because it is an ACTUAL glitch, manually overriding buffersizes

it is about 1/4 down the page

available as VST and AU

http://destroyfx.smartelectronix.com/

Place to get Free VSTi's and VST effects

They're constantly updating and adding new shit and reviews. The only thing I use it for is VST/VSTi freeware/shareware. there's things i've gotten from there that are nolonger on there because the sites went down, or they started charging money, or got bought out.

http://www.kvraudio.com/

. 05/27/15 (Wed) 03:52:08 fb1e46 No.341

>>340

part 7 (maybe final? I might make a more condensed tutorial myself in PDF form that contains the best out of all these posts, I don't know. and if I think of anything later after I make this post I'll have to come back and make an 8th/9th/10rd post

How to write funk - VHS with bootsy fucking collins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHE6hZU72A4

(combine this tutorial with the earlier tutorial on call and response, and you will feel like a god of funk)

How to make a pop hit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV2s0UIPOQY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xIUeNJIrak

The pachabel rant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM

More pop music rant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0S8wBNoiv90

the 4 chords song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I

How to write a lovesong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSuIZ11JdUg

And I swear I had another one of these but I can't think anymore, i've been pulling this shit out of my head for so long now, and the power went out at one point and I'm just mentally drained, I might post more things.

. 05/27/15 (Wed) 04:25:03 fb1e46 No.342

>>341

how did I forget this shit.

Post 8

The DJ Post

Are you that guy that has a turntable and likes to scratch?

are you that guy that takes his MPC fucking everywhere?

Do you collect hardware? and controllers?

do you produce music entirely out of sampling other people and building up piles of samples to throw into an MPC or traktor or whatever?

do you think the ableton launchpad is the best goddamn thing ever?

This post is for you!

(if you cannot already tell, I recognize that the people who do these videos, make this hardware, and perform like this, have all got skills, but I also think they're tallentless hacks. I personally feel that these are skillfull hacks. these are DJ's trying to be producers, but doing everything from the perspective of controllers with little to no understanding of music theory, sound design, or even the concept of multitrack recording. basically, Electronic music as live recording with sample players. no multi-track recordings. no sequencers. but I recognize that the quality of work that they produce, is beyond anything I could do, but I personally have a bias against it. but I'm still subscribed to their channel, because they occasionally make something cool, or inspiring)

Here's an example of how these guys go about music creation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kg6ZHEI4fE

here's a tutorial for how to map knobs in ableton to buttons on these controllers that they make and do something useful with it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH3ryAEP308

how to map different drum racks to a knob, I shit you not that's what this tutorial is for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHFmmQK8Sp0

how to build a drumpack/samplepack including how to turn any sound into a kick drum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqcKD0jzuGA

How to make a sketch for a song by beatboxing and then turn that into an actual song. Admittedly this sounds like it would be super obvious but it's still usefull to get kicked in the ass and reminded every once in a while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD3FDiK-Dw4

How to laser sounds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr5G1CWs9ZI

How to make a good kick drum

Admittedly I should have put this tutorial near the front of all these posts, because I'm sick to death of every song using exactly the same fucking kick. Combine this with the "turn any sound into a kick" and "laser" tutorial for good results, or you could be a scrub and use pre-made sample packs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYey_pp-IoU

How to snare

as above, so below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etga0_T-X4w

How to DJ Intro/outtro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9BVY676Fi4

How to read DJ hardware midi-mapping files for some software that I dont' use but is probably helpful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt69I8eoktc

. 05/27/15 (Wed) 05:09:03 fb1e46 No.345

>>342

and finally, this should be my real last post, i just didn't want this last link to be stuck in the mess that is DJ Tech tools and 'controlerizm'

are you a person who uses analog synths?

Do you use modular synths?

Do you own a moog and an 808 and a yamaha and a bunch of others?

Do you like hardware that doesn't require a computer?

These guys review hardware

there is hardware that I want SO BAD that I first saw because of these guys.

https://www.youtube.com/user/sonicstate

There's not any particular videos I would point to because these arent' tutorials, these are technically product reviews. but if you're like me and you don't really shop around all the goddamn time, or you don't go to different manufacturers to find out what's new at each of them, this is a great way to find out about new stuff as it is made.

being subscribed to these guys is like watching game journalists go to E3, except instead of videogames, and games hardware, they're looking at synths, effects pedals, guitars, drumpads, keyboards, controllers, etc.

That's…. usefull to know of a place that does that. I only put this in here in the off chance that someone doesn't know how or where to find out about analog synth stuff, or what kind of hardware is out there.

This comes with a massive disclaimer though.

If you do not already buy hardware, and you try to get into this, and start a collection and get into analog production, get ready to take out a second mortgage even if you're fucking rich, this shit adds up fast.

Unless you are willing to do modification to cheap hardware to make custom hardware, if you're not already upper-middle-class, you will not be able to afford hardware.

If you are lower income but still want to get into analogue I would suggest you get a korg monotron or two (they're like $50 or some shit i got mine from guitar center, they come in a fucking blisterpack). I suggest these because korg has the schematics on their website, and there are clearly labled and unused solder points because they are designed to be modded. you can quite literally turn them into miniature modulars with some effort and knowledge, and do it on the cheap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX-IOYVBwUg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vnTNaB2tQA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GcKU0eNBx0

That's something I want to get into, I have a soldering iron, a monotron duo and monotron delay, but Have not yet learned circuitry and stuff, but I can do that on youtube. between the 3 of those things, I have spent roughly $120. based on the cost of components, I'd estimate about another 20 to turn them modular. and the thing about modulars is, the more you have, the more complex sounds you can make assuming you know what you're doing. however it is still infinitely cheaper to do software which is half of why i've been procrastinating. but I know some people are just dying for analogue music stuffs.

if you're interested in small low-budget synths and drum machines, without any modding ability, to feed INTO those monotrons, I would recommend the Pocket Operators. Sonic state has videos on them here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ1nePLOJXY

but while they are cheap-ish, they are what I like to call "Designer cheap". the company that made them (teenage engineering) is tied to IKEA. admittedly though, of the PO line, the rhythm and factory sound pretty cool. I want to get them when I get the money. if only as a toy to sample.

The next thing I'd recommend almost goes without saying –

If you have a nintendo DS,

There's the Korg DS-10, which is a virtually emulated Korg MS-10. 2 of them. with a 4-channel drum sampler (samples the MS-10), and a sequencer for each.

you can make some pretty amazing things with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXTyMxM5vuY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jsLukV_SoQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPPPuGTKslI

and just because here's a chemical brothers remix on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNd-STIYkiE

There's also the Korg M01 (DSi? 3DS? i don't remember), also for the DS, which is a recreation of the M1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9ELfefzzGY

and finally the Korg DSN-12, for the 3ds/2ds/3dsXL

It's basically 12 MS-10's, or 6x the DS-10,

There's also teh DS-10+ but it's basically just the DS10, but with some improvements because there was some stuff that was cut on the DS10 because it didn't work on the regular DS, but the DSi had better hardware so they made a better version of it which kinda sucks that it happened that way.

But that's it. That's my non-software post.

!!NysaoGS0DI 05/27/15 (Wed) 14:05:40 ea66b6 No.355

Thanks a lot, lots of good stuff here. I'll organize it and add it to the sticky when I'm home.

Audiopolis 05/27/15 (Wed) 18:19:15 96acc1 No.356

>>355

http://wrttn.in/f7302c

Here's what it will look like. Comments welcome. The more wisdom can be given by fewer links (or in as short and direct tutorials as possible), the better. Will look through the rest, maybe tomorrow. Stylesheet suggestions also welcome.

Post last edited at 05/27/15 (Wed) 18:20:40

Audiopolis !!NysaoGS0DI 05/28/15 (Thu) 10:21:25 96acc1 No.369

Also, I suggest we change the board CSS. I can't as a mod, Tulpar, you'll have to figure it out, but it's no rush. Just would be comfy with a break from the default.

. 05/28/15 (Thu) 12:06:42 fb1e46 No.370

>>356

well in the case of the other tutorials, it could be condensed to

FrankJavCee's tutorials on youtube (for different EDM Genres) (channel or playlist link)

SeamlessR's tutorials on youtube (for various synths) (link to list of channel playlists because there's like 5 playlists, and that condenses it to one link)

and then I guess someone (probably me) can throw in a basic pop music playlist that consists of the pachabel rant (every song is cannon in D) the pop music is mindless rant, the 4 chord song, how to write a pop hit 1 & 2, how to write a love song, and how to write funk.

As a playlist that would only take up one link

This collectively turns 24 links I gave, down into 3 links, and a line of text explaining each.

Presumably we could also make a playlist of the music theory links, saving some space.

The rest of the links you copied into that link, I can't think of how to condense that any further, and a playlist might not make as much sense for that.

. 05/28/15 (Thu) 12:09:51 fb1e46 No.371

>>356

I would also like to point out that of ALL of those links, I think "melody writing 101" (how to do call and response) is probably the singular most important link out of everything I posted, because so many people forget how to do that, and it is absolutely crucial to writing a good hook, and most of what i've seen in soundcloud threads it seems people rely on doing it on accident.

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 13:35:51 5edad5 No.374

>>371

seems we need to separate beginner stuff from advanced and also the fl studio stuff or at least tag the daw the info is directed at

Audiopolis !!NysaoGS0DI 05/28/15 (Thu) 16:03:47 96acc1 No.377

>>374

The idea is that dedicated beginners can systematically investigate the links from beginning to end, getting progressively more advanced. So "music theory 2" and so on might be needed.

I'll see if I can find a video explaining what tonics, subdominants etc are for music theory 2. I think C, G, A min, F and equivalents for other scales will suffice for music theory 1.

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 19:18:19 ceb5d2 No.381

A meta-thread seems like the place for this kinda comment:

So why are you guys trying to split /mu/'s content when its already just about the slowest top 25 board?

This kind of granular board-making is why 8chan has tended to be shit for most kinds of porn compared to halfchan.

If you get (omg) trolls in a music production general, just use your filters like every other general on every other board, then make a board if /mu/ ever actually gets fast.

What you're doing now just gets you zero traffic unless you're namedropped. (You didn't even put tags on the board, btw, so its not searchable under "music")

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 19:34:01 5edad5 No.382

>>381

if i have got the idea right and correct me otherwise, this would be a place for music creators mainly if not only.

people post their work in whichever stage it's at and receive real genuine feedback from like minded who are not simply bootlicking in order to shill their own content.

i think this is a good idea and enough reasons for a board. it could really improve things for everyone, including /mu/.

regarding trolls, don't know don't care.

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 20:21:29 5edad5 No.383

>>377

i wish to contribute but it will be minor since most of my info isn't in english.

here's my main daw, works very smoothly with real instruments but is also very suitable for electronics among others.

http://www.reaper.fm/download.php

it's simple and free. my version can render file type but they altered some new version and now only wav files are available or so i've been told.

recommended.

free vst

http://www.vst4free.com/

it's sounds as it's worth, some gems are nice but it's nothing exceptional.

if i find more i'll post it.

not really suitable for a sticky but just a somewhat entertaining guy for guitar players

please bear in mind he is actually crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk4u7xm2N3g

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 20:23:25 ceb5d2 No.384

>>382

What is it about an environment of only music producers that would ensure that they aren't boot-licking to shill their own content? It seems to me like it would be the opposite.

Granted, a production general would still be mostly music producers, but the wandering non-troll music listener offering his opinion is a valuable variance in the source of criticism.

This is on top of the fact that your content and the rest of /mu/ support each other by keeping conversation as dense as possible on slow boards.

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 20:39:22 5edad5 No.385

>>384

i don't follow you. why wouldn't it?

with mainly creators, and not just potential fans would make it so fame would not be the main goal at least not while posting here.

why would they bootlick? they will only lose from that.

yes that consumer opinion is valuable but who said these producers couldn't post their finished product on /mu/?

think of this as a factory, why would the consumer come before the product is done? that can of course happen, it's not and should not be forbidden but isn't preferable to wait til it's done?

we'll see if people just dump their stuff like always and leave. to be fair the couple of sc links so far have only been that.

this can maybe change. i enjoy that minor opportunity a whole lot.

that which occurs in sc threads on /mu/, both here and that other chan always follows the same pattern. that is a pattern whose destruction people could benefit from.

an extension it is, not a separation.

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 21:05:19 ceb5d2 No.386

>>385

>think of this as a factory, why would the consumer come before the product is done? that can of course happen, it's not and should not be forbidden but isn't preferable to wait til it's done?

100% of this applies to a general as much as a board. Except the fact that contrary to what you yourself are saying, a new board is not an extension, its a separation, so that you can be a LITTLE further away from people who might wander in and look at unfinished work, at the price of having pitifully little traffic even compared to /mu/.

What I'm trying to tell you is that this greater "privacy" is not worth the price in traffic.

Again, the porn boards are a case study in why not to do what you're doing.

Only months later do you start to see all the dead porn boards start to float their content back towards /d/.

Anyway, I guess people suck up for a variety of reasons. Its as reasonable to think a musician would suck up to his peers to try to gain respect, a new fan would suck up to a musician who he thinks is going to go big, or a musician would suck up to fans so he can get more fans.

On thinking about that aspect, moving still does nothing for you (except of course the harm of lower traffic) because listeners are going to be rare in production generals.

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 21:29:33 5edad5 No.387

>>386

i wouldn't be so sure of that. i would say majority of /mu/ users are just mainly looking for music and not to create. at least with some real dedication or good efforts.

you can view it as a separation if you wish but there will still be contact between boards and overlapping users. yes it's little bit further away but it is still connected and frankly it is worth it.

there are disadvantages with a high population. mainly is the overflowing amount of posts which although are not that many on /mu/ compared to the old one, is still enough to make the generals just as they were and as they always seems to be.

spam.

without connection or sincere communication.

just spam, spam, spam. here can rules or at least ideas be structured.

as for listeners, that is, as far as i've comprehended, not the main idea.

musicprod should not be a board where one finds fame.

it is my belief that a lower traffic can actually help this board, a more steady and organized growth.

with the potential chance for fans although small will turn music creation threads to just spamming your own content. why? sadly it has worked but at that point you might as well start doing music purely for profit which some do.

suck ups will always exist, you have to change patterns.

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 21:38:21 5edad5 No.388

>>387

*at least not

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 23:20:18 96acc1 No.389

>>381

Why should we care about /mu/? Why even assume we browse it? I'll put it simply: You won't need to filter out the regular old music listening threads here. Your thread will stay alive for much longer as a music production board will never be as active as a general music board, and music opinion threads and the like won't prune music production threads. If you're a producer/songwriter, having a board dedicated to it can only be a good thing. This board isn't about feedback and criticism. It's up to you to create good music, and it's up to listeners (/mu/ for example) to judge it. No, giving feedback. showing off your music and asking for opinions aren't against the rules, but that's not what it's about. The best music production threads on /mu/ are either soundcloud threads or anons calling other anons plebs for their choice of DAW or the fact that they don't produce whichever meme is trendy over there right now. /mu/ is great and all, but for a producer, it has a somewhat toxic, hostile and counterproductive aftertaste.

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 23:54:58 5edad5 No.392

>>389

not about feedback?

well i'm honestly confused. i thought that was one of the main focus. it's part of the creation process.

how would you learn without any new perspective? yes i did read that it wasn't illegal but not what it's all about?

perhaps a further explanation on exactly what is your vision of the board would be in order.

Anonymous 05/28/15 (Thu) 23:57:13 ceb5d2 No.393

>>389

Then why don't you just do that in a general?

Protip: generals can have a completely different board culture from the surrounding board.

As for why you should care about /mu/, that's, again, so you feed off /mu/'s meager traffic as you contribute to it.

As for thread endurance, the thread at the bottom of /mu/'s catalog right now was a single post from May 3rd (older than your board's welcome post)

I've never seen official word on the bump limit, but its at least 500 since the sharethread is still getting bumped (almost 2 months older than this board's welcome post), and threads can be archived for posterity.

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 00:06:57 96acc1 No.394

>>392

I think you misunderstood me. By "not about feedback and criticism" I meant it's about advice on how to produce better, not simply "this is good" or "this is bad." Of course feedback like "drums need reverb" or "too much low-end" is spot on. My vision is that most posts (besides music production relevant funposting every now and then) focus on actually improving production, not just showing off finished projects and giving people a thumbs up or down for their soundcloud music.

>>393

I don't know, just doesn't seem as appealing. I don't really care for /mu/'s culture, and I'd rather do the talking on this dedicated board than in one general surrounded by "good songs by shitty artists" threads and four separate soundcloud generals.

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 00:09:34 5edad5 No.395

>>394

oh i just call that spam. that's what it is.

a single string of word meaning really nothing in order to accomplish some form of obligation which those threads often do.

yes i had the same idea. had even an idea of people sharing midi. might be fun might be useless.

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 00:11:36 96acc1 No.396

>>395

If MIDI was used by all producers, I bet songs would be at least twice as catchy on average.

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 00:16:46 5edad5 No.397

>>396

i sense a facetious element but no matter

my idea is just sharing of musical ideas, it's simple as that. it could serve many purposes and doesn't have to be restricted to midi.

would you prefer sheet notes?

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 00:22:50 96acc1 No.398

>>397

No, I was being serious. With MIDI, catchy is all you have. You can't impress with reverb and time stretching. I think most electronic music producers would benefit greatly from spending maybe one fifth of their music production time making catchy MIDI tunes.

Sheet notes would also work. I suspect one of the reasons the most mindblowing melodies of all time were produced in the 19th century is (in addition to the fact that only the best of the best could make it commercially) because they relied so heavily on memorable melodies. They only had their notation, playing the melodies on their clavichords and pianos and imagining an orchestra playing it. The same can be said about MIDI. MIDI is great.

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 00:27:21 96acc1 No.399

>>398

Except most people on this board probably don't know how to read notation. MIDI is superior anyway, unless you're skilled enough to simply draw out your notes on paper. I guess the simplicity of making MIDI tunes could distract you from actually thinking thoroughly about whether or not the melody you're writing is actually worth listening to. Otherwise, MIDI allows you to quickly try out dozens of variations, each one potentially inspiring a new direction altogether.

What I doubt about what you're saying is that people would freely give away their ideas. They shouldn't. They'd have no fair grounds to claim the copyrights.

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 00:40:52 5edad5 No.400

>>398

yes actual effort rather than bunch of effects in a mush. i suppose content is an applicable word here, real content.

none of that empty bullshit.

>>399

midi is better, sheet is mostly out of tradition.

sort of like inversion notation such as I6.

as for distraction, it varies with individuals. i find it very educative.

i wasn't thinking of complete symphonies but motifs. simple musical ideas simply to get things going.

doesn't need to exist but it could start collaborations and get things moving.

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 00:56:48 96acc1 No.401

>>400

Sick dubs. Most people aren't capable of writing symphonies, but MIDI allows the purest form of melodic creativity. The reason video game music was more catchy before is because they had to use MIDI. I don't really need to use MIDI as I'm constantly focusing on making my music catchy and still not generic, but I notice that most people in /mu/'s soundcloud threads, for example, lack any sort of memorable element whatsoever, and MIDI would help them realize that they can't just mix a forgettable song well and try to pass it off as worth anyone's time. We agree, MIDI is great.

Still I see no reason why anyone would post a great motif for anyone to steal. I can see self-made samples and presets being shared, though. I plan on sharing drones and samples I make. When my exams are done I'm going to make a website just for /musicprod/ to share stuff out of love, to encourage people to make their own samples, effects and presets.

By the way, Sibelius is a great mix of notation and MIDI. Check it out if you can read notation at all.

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 01:10:49 5edad5 No.402

>>401

just an idea to get things in motion. had many more but damn finals made me forget most of it.

sibelius sounds interesting. thanks

. 05/29/15 (Fri) 05:35:49 fb1e46 No.406

>>386

> this greater "privacy" is not worth the price in traffic.

the board traffic is non-zero. as long as /mu/ doesn't shill in production general threads on /mu/ for the express purpose of killing our board.

That's like if /mu/ suddenly decided to say /mu/ is for music and dickgirls, and suddenly it would pull use from some other boards. It's a generally dick move, no pun intended.

the relationship between /mu/ and /musicprod/ is more like the relationship between /tg/ /x/ and /d/ over on halfchan. one is games with weird/spooky shit and sometimes a thread involving game-oriented fetish shit, then over on /d/ sometimes there's creepy weird porn, and sometimes there's stuff related to /d/ games, and then over on /x/. well, you see my point.

they're different sides to a coin. Unlike the case of porn boards fighting over traffic, /mu/ and /musicprod/ don't compete for traffic, this would be like saying /d/ and /k/ compete for traffic. that's fucking retarded.

>>392

>not about feedback

The only feedback we want is PRODUCTION QUALITY FEEDBACK, Not "do I like this music cater to my tastes" feedback.

>>393

>why not just use a general

Because music production threads generally work better when the same thread is going to be up for weeks. having a fast paced board for this is fucking retarded. think about it like "I want to make a forum post, I guess i'll go post on halfchan /b/! i should have a few replies an hour from now rite?"

High frequency of posts is probably bad. coming on here once or twice a day to check all the threads, make replies, and come back tomorrow to see the replies. that's a good pace for music production.

make a thread or a post, and come back to the thread in an hour or two to grind through all the feedback and replies, check out other music, make a reply, check back when you're done listening to that music and give feedback, That's a good speed for /mu/

these are boards that operate best at specific board post-rates.

There's a reason you almost NEVER see a soundcloud thread on halfchan /b/. it's just too fast for a good thread, and people only do that because they're fucking retarded.

. 05/29/15 (Fri) 05:42:07 fb1e46 No.407

>>396

I sense a lack of knowledge about what MIDI is.

Music Instrument Digital Interface. It's a way of storing note data. you link that data into another instrument. Guess what? 100% of all EDM is generated with midi for some stage. 100% of all stored note data is midi data, or midi data plus something else, UNLESS it is a non-midi .mod file, which is what those chiptunes in keygen files are made as.

but no, you think midi is just .mid files, and you laugh at midi covers of songs, which just shows me you don't give a rats ass about understanding how things are made or done, which is exactly why we need a separate goddamn board.

. 05/29/15 (Fri) 05:49:34 fb1e46 No.408

>>398

you'll also note that

STICKY FOR /MUSICPROD/

>>LINK TO TUTORIALS FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION

>INCLUDES MUSIC FUCKING THEORY

you know, Shit that /mu/ will never have because it's NOT about music theory, it's not about learning production, it's about going "Hey, this is the music that I like! we don't like childrens music, No no NO, What kind of music do YOU listen to?" [condescending look]

/mu/ doesn't take production seriously, and it never has, that's why you get fucking kanye west and despite being on an image board you always get random top 40 bullshit, because it's not about quality, it's about mass market appeal.

/mu/ is music we want to listen to

/musicprod/ is you want to make music

I mean jesus fucking christ, If I knew this much shit and constant fighting was going to happen I would never have suggested a cross-board link on /mu/.

you come in here with all these accusations about things, and actively trying to tell us we're shit because of oversimplifcations and strawman arguments. you think it's that simple? alright smartass, download a midi editor and make a good song from scratch. go on. do that and post it on /mu/ and see what the fuck happens.

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 07:19:13 83d6d9 No.411

>>398

I'll just assume you're a troll and not bother arguing.

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 13:24:42 96acc1 No.414

>>407

I don't laugh at MIDI covers. Where did you get that idea? And how did you get the idea that anyone here lacks an understanding of MIDI? We basically called it modern notation that doesn't require the ability to read notation to use. In almost any practical use of the word, when people talk about MIDI, you're not talking about the technology itself but rather the idea next to everyone has when they hear the word, which is chiptunes made in easy to use piano rolls or similar, and that's how most people use and think of the technology. You're basically sperging out because someone says "it's hot in here" when they should have said "the temperature is high in here." You seem like an unpleasant person to hang out with.

>>408

This. That guy is basically proof of /mu/'s arrogance, and how far up their own asses their heads are. /mu/ and /musicprod/ are not competing for traffic. We have completely different mentalities and approaches to music production. Music production threads on /mu/ do not focus on educating people and improving skills, they're basically just a big, great circlejerk for producers to show off in, and if you're not skilled enough or produce the wrong genre, you can git out. I don't get what this guy's problem is. There's no problem.

The only traffic /mu/ is going to lose is a few production threads at most, and if you're gonna miss them, you can find them right here.

. 05/29/15 (Fri) 17:38:57 fb1e46 No.420

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>>414

you realize both of those posts are me, right?

I mentioned midi in that way because MIDI is not notation. Midi can be viewed as sheet music, or as a piano roll. Midi is not an interpretation at all, That's like saying Jpeg is a better way to draw than pen and paper, it's nonsense, midi is an interpretation of and method of digitally storing sheet music, in a machine-readable form, just like a Jpeg is a machine stored version of an image, which can include drawn images.

My reason for saying it that way, is… well, you're replying to 2 posts, and they're both me. Both of those posts where replying to different posts by presumably the same guy. If that was actually YOU (since you're saying YOU don't laugh at midi covers) then I was mistaken,

but I picture that stuck up /mu/ guy as thinking of midi as the way general midi sounds in WMP, with general midi instruments. admittedly that can be amusing (as an example check this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-WoM_4wERw )

And basically I feel like the person complaining and saying musicians should just do midis instead of EDM, only knows of MIDI as things like that link. basically I'm accusing him of shitposting, as >>411 suggested, because he's got the 4-1-1

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 17:45:45 96acc1 No.421

>>420

No, no, it's not like comparing pen and jpeg at all. Yes, MIDI is digital notation. Notation is not interpretation and neither is MIDI, except instrumentation. The only interpretation in notation is how long a break should last, how intense a crescendo should be and similar. MIDI is digital notation. Your entire premise for your entire post is incorrect.

. 05/29/15 (Fri) 17:49:58 fb1e46 No.422

>>420 (me)

oh god I just realized trying to re-read my own post that I had to stop typing part way into, nolonger makes sense, and I got post 420 I can't even.

I don't know how I said midi isn't an interpretation but it is., that was a typo.

I meant that Midi is not Notation, it is an interpretation OF notation, which is different.

like, Midi is the 1's and 0's, it's stored like strings of code that say shit like [note][instrument number][note velocity][note mod][note pitch bend][note release] as just a list of text (like .mod files) the thing is 100% of what midi stores, can be expressed as musical notation, sheet music. and the design of the MIDI format was specifically to include everything that musical notation includes.

Meanwhile most DAWs that are used for EDM, store MIDI data PLUS a whole bunch more, like slides rather than pitch-bends, which midi data doesn't account for, because slides are typically annotated as pitch bends.

There's a lot of technical reasons that the post I was replying to was technically wrong. again, as >411 pointed out, probably a troll

That's relevent to say, as I said before, it's like saying JPegs are better than drawing or taking a photo, One is a method of input, one is a method of storage. and neither is an output.

For instance, a .mid file can be loaded by windows media player.

Or it can be loaded by iTunes. Or winamp or whatever open source shareware that the hip coolkids are using these days (I seriously just use windows media player unless it can't support the format)

OR you could load a Midi into a DAW, swap out each instrument channel, add even more control to it, and then render to an MP3 or WAV or OGG or flac or whatever, and it would be totally different sounding than the .mid on its own. AND, the total amount of musical data for how to play the instruments, would contain more data than a midi can hold. more complexity.

That post is literally saying that musicians make better music by being arbitrarily restricted, and quite frankly thats what they did in mozart's time, and mozart was a fucking rebel in those days, and notice he's one of the few that everybody still knows. the guy breaking boundaries and breaking the rules, wound up making better and more memorable, more enjoyable music, than his contemporaries. which is why the argument is garbage.

Sure it's good ONCE IN A WHILE to limit yourself, in order to test your skills, but

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 17:51:40 96acc1 No.423

>>420

Also, those two posts commented on entirely different subjects. Who wrote them is irrelevant.

I'm the guy who said EDM musicians would benefit from making chiptunes. I said ONE FIFTH of their music production time, solely for the purpose of creating catchy tunes that they can THEN integrate into their EDM production. I was not (is this how to italics?) saying they should just quit EDM and go full chiptune piano roll. On the contrary, I was saying most EDM producers would benefit from making chiptune production a part of their workflow to improve their EDM. Do you disagree? Do you actually think musicians would not benefit from trying a different approach to writing catchy motives?

. 05/29/15 (Fri) 17:58:30 fb1e46 No.425

>>423

>chiptunes

if this is the way you intend it, you're very VERY bad at wording things.

chiptunes are a genre, and midi is a notation.

What I think you're trying to suggest is that EDM producers should practice with minimalist classical notation, to which I counter that they already do,

Orchestral music is something that a LOT of good EDM producers dabble in, with very strong classical notation and composition, and restricting to classical instruments. Furthermore Orchestral Fused music, like Orchestral metal, Orchestral trance, hell, trying to type orchestral trance auto-filled with ORCHESTRAL TRAP for fucks sake. and orchestral dubstep.

The thing you ask is actually a thing that people DO sometimes already do, but you worded it in a pants-on-head-retarded way, which is why I was basically giving you a ton of shit.

People should branch out into other styles, but saying they should "restrict themselves to just making midis" is the most retarded and uninformed way of saying that that I have ever heard in my entire life.

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 17:58:43 96acc1 No.426

>>422

As is notation. Both MIdI data and traditional notation on paper are created by people through input, then to some degree interpreted (I'd rather call it a fixed function, a pretty restricted formula for correctly expressing the data and converting it into audio) by either a musician or software. Same process. Sheet notation data is interpreted visually and MIDI by bit interpretation, but the method is irrelevant. Notation and MIDI are examples of the same thing; storing instructions to produce audio. And Mozart basically invented simple formulas for his music, making countless examples of the same arrangements, and every classical enthusiast agrees he was far inferior to the likes of Beethoven.

. 05/29/15 (Fri) 18:02:40 fb1e46 No.427

>>426

Mozart didn't just invent simple formulas for his music, there where already simple formulas for music that everyone else followed, and was highly regimented, and he broke FROM that set of rules and created his own.

as for classical enthusiasts I don't really care, I'll take baroque and Debussy over Beethoven any day of the week,

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 18:23:17 96acc1 No.428

>>427

You're literally listing the plebest of history's composers. Just merry, soulless, mass produced crap compared to the mindblowing, devastating works of composers that aren't as well known because of these two simple reasons: they didn't spew out as big a quantity of mediocre compositions, and people don't really enjoy classical music, but pretend to, so they just stick to the mainstream name of Mozart without ever having actually analyzed his music. If you ask people who have never listened to a single classical work in its entirety who their favorite classical composer is, I bet almost everyone would say "Mozart" just because they know the name.

If you google "mozart followed formula" you'll probably find someone who has written about what I'm talking about. Mozart did not at all revolutionize music. He did not take some impressively unique approach to music, and what little new thinking he did, he reproduced over and over and over and over again, simply switching out one leitmotif with a minusculely different one and making it sound new while being the same in its structure and essence.

You know who did what you're claiming Mozart did? Tchaikovsky. Tchaikovsky, a very emotional faggot, was the first to use practically illegal time signatures, progressions, changes in structure mid-song and completely removed himself from preconceptions. Tchaikovsky is your genius, not fucking Mozart, a shallow pleb who mass-produced the top 50 music of his time to please the uncultured masses.

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 18:42:31 96acc1 No.432

>>425

>restrict themselves to just making midis

God damn it. How many times do I have to say this before it sinks in? I have said no such thing.

ONE FIFTH

ONE

FIFTH

IMPROVE

YOUR

EDM PRODUCTIONS

Do you just reply without actually reading the content of the posts you're replying to?

Do I have to turn to fancy text formatting to make you read my points?

>Is your attention span that tiny?

Well, I'm not interested in wasting my time with your crap. Read my posts thoroughly or don't expect me to reply. You're making an ass of yourself. I've written programs making use of MIDI technology. I've written a couple of very simplistic DAWs. I know exactly what MIDI is, I know how notation works, I know my shit about the big names in music through history, and I probably know better than you how EDM producers work.

The only thing I have to add is: I'm not fucking talking about famous EDM producers who have already made it big. I'm talking specifically about the guys posting their electronic productions in soundcloud threads and other people on their level, who have nothing memorable to offer, which is exactly why they haven't made it yet.

. 05/29/15 (Fri) 19:49:36 fb1e46 No.434

>>432

you're the one that's not reading

>MIDI

>FUCKING MIDI

MIDI ISN'T A STYLE

MIDI ISN'T A RESTRICTION ON COMPOSITION

THAT'S WHAT I'M FLIPPING THE FUCK OUT ABOUT.

>>428

Tchaikovsky is actually pretty good, but mass-market remembers mozart more, for some goddamn reason.

you know who was emotive? Debussy. yes, depressed and moody with light hearted bits. that's far from soulless.

meanwhile most pre-baroque classical was the auditory equivalent of paint-by-numbers.

also

>Calling someone a pleb because they like things that you don't like

Do you even music.

you realize that /mu/ is the board that un-ironically enjoys kanye and minaj, you lose the right to complain about "the uncultured masses" the moment you post on /mu/, especially a /mu/ that's actively trying to be like halfchan /mu/, enough so they start crossboard shitfights. now if you excuse me i'm just going to just look up what the most popular tchaikovsky piece is, and re-create it with nothing but hardstyle kicks and airhorn noises, and probably get a ton of youtube views for it, just to spite you.

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 20:45:33 96acc1 No.435

>>434

I didn't call you a pleb. Once again you're claiming I said things I never said, just like you claimed I ever said EDM producers should just quit and switch to MIDI.

MIDI is NOT a restriction. It's a way to focus on making catchy motives, something aspiring producers tend to lack, which is why they never make it beyond 700 plays on SC. MIDI is no more a restriction than notation.

You keep not getting this. This is not rocket science. I am not suggesting people produce their music in some MIDI piano roll and leave it at that. I am suggesting they try making first drafts for melodies MIDI so that they are not deceived by revern and fancy effects into thinking it's good.

Please, tell me directly and frankly, what about this do you not understand? What exactly do you disagree with? Tell me so I can address your opinion directly.

And before you respond, stay far away from "saying [strawman] is retarded." That may be, but whatever the brackets contain, I did not say it.

The fact that you read maybe 4 sentences before feeling qualified to reply is blatantly obvious. So tell me, in as few sentences as humanly possible, without pseudo-rebuttals to something you fictionalized me saying, exactly what your point is.

Also, Tchaikovsky fucking killed himself. Debussy might have had a soul and all, but it's basically like Metallica compared to Pink Floyd, and Mozart compared to Beethoven is basically like Coldplay compared to NMH. One is far less popular, but has achieved pretty much universal critical acclaim.

Get your shit together and respond properly. Do not assume you know more technological or technical shit than me. Describe to me what you believe, and more importantly,

WHY

your believe it.

Anonymous 05/29/15 (Fri) 20:49:05 96acc1 No.436

>>434

Also, Mozart is remembered more because he was more popular. He was more popular for the exact same reason that Imagine Dragons are more popular than Swans.

. 05/29/15 (Fri) 21:09:27 fb1e46 No.437

>>435

>didn't call you a pleb

>>428

>Literally the plebest of history's composers

. 05/29/15 (Fri) 21:36:48 fb1e46 No.438

>>435

you keep acting like having reverb and effects make people think something automatically sounds good. a bad melody with reverb sounds worse. That's a completely retarded way of thinking.

you are quite literally saying that people can't write music for the synths of their choice, and they should focus on a thing that they literally are incapable of ignoring, because they have to use fucking midi notation to make any sounds at all. Meanwhile saying "well don't use those sounds, just use just midi" midi isn't fucking sound, you don't know how it will sound without an instrument playing it unless you're a fucking savant or have perfect pitch.

The thing which you are describing, in the EXACT WAY in which you are describing it being done, is not possible for 99% of people who cannot hear perfectly in their head what music will sound like from written notation of any form. if you can, congratu-fucking-lations you're in the 1%.

and before you say you DIDN'T say something that you clearly have said for a THIRD FUCKING TIME I am going to quote you word for word

>I am suggesting they try making first drafts for melodies MIDI so that they are not deceived by revern and fancy effects into thinking it's good.

no amount of reverb or any effects will do what you think it does. there is no magical production dust that makes anyone think something is better than it really is just because you tweaked a knob. 100% of effects are done AFTER instrumentation and melody, with the MINOR exception of dubstep and DNB, wherein layers upon layers of effects are used to produce the actual instruments, from which you decide the TYPE of instrumentation that it is best suited for use as.

>Also, Tchaikovsky fucking killed himself

fucking irrelevant, so did budd dwyer, and kurt kobain, who gives a fuck

> Debussy might have had a soul and all, but it's basically like Metallica compared to Pink Floyd

uh no, debussy's best work IMO is just piano pieces, and tchaikovsky's best work is intended for an entire orchestra. there simply isn't a comparison of skill, because they are totally different types of composition.

>Mozart compared to Beethoven is basically like Coldplay compared to NMH. One is far less popular, but has achieved pretty much universal critical acclaim.

Again, not relevant, neither popularity nor critical acclaim matter in this context. there is a literal mountain of music, which is neither popular NOR critically acclaimed, which you will never get unstuck from your head. Noone can stop writing cannon in D for instance. its' 8 bass notes repeated 28 times it's 4 chords repeated ad infinitum. once you know what it is you can't stop hearing it and it's the most annoying thing. Nobody WANTS to hear it, but it's fucking everywhere, and NONE of it is critically acclaimed, it just sticks in your head, and won't go away.

That's just different ways of viewing success. so what if beethoven is critically aclaimed but everyone knows mozart, you're just going out of your way to be an exclusionary, elitist prick, for the sake of it at this point.

My point is you are setting an unreasonably high, if not impossible standard (writing midi with no fucking instrumentation because midi with nothing loaded is silence) based on completely uninformed understandings of how music is produced by most artists (>Implying reverb is magical production dust that tricks people into thinking shit music is good. if that was ever the case you could put reverb on any sound and it would sell)

you say

>do not assume you know more technological or technical shit than me.

you have displayed no understanding of anything in this reply chain. you're not even paying attention to WHICH POSTS I'M REPLYING TO,

You are picking a fight over LITERALLY NOTHING.

Go . to the sticky (link is currently 404'ing, but the links are all in this thread further up before this retarded reply chain started) AND LOOK, TUTORIALS ABOUT MUSIC THEORY THAT WILL BE ON THE TOP OF THE BOARD STICKY. so that people WILL go "you know, I've never learned proper music theory, maybe I should" and it's simple fucking stuff that once you know you can't help but use it.

Don't tell people to "just use midi and just magically learn", tell people to LEARN FUCKING MUSIC THEORY BECAUSE IT GODDAMN HELPS. Don't tell people "Don't fuck with effects you'll think it's better than it is" because that's fucking retarded, no it won't, and not using effects, will do FUCK ALL to help.

I'm fucking done, I hope your music library gets converted to 96kbps mp3s in mono.i'll come back in a few days when I think /mu/s stopped being retarded and thinking they can just shit all over this board, then maybe people will stop being needlessly confrontational about every little goddamn thing.

Anonymous 05/30/15 (Sat) 11:31:50 763403 No.449

>>406

>having a fast paced board for this is fucking retarded.

Thinking /mu/ is fast-paced is retarded.

The reason I've been trying to warn you about any of this is because /musicprod/ would only have ever be a sub-set of /mu/, which is already a VERY slow board.

Anonymous 05/30/15 (Sat) 11:59:35 96acc1 No.450

>>437

Proved me right. In neither of those quotes did I call you a pleb. You can listen to Mozart all you want and it doesn't bother me. You started an argument for why Mozart was a superior composer, so I am allowed to argue for the contrary. "Pleb" is not a banned word. It's as legitimate a word as any words you've used to describe Mozart, and it's as valid as calling Beyonce's music pleb. You're really grasping at straws if you have to turn to complaining about which words I choose to use.

>>438

Yes, I am LITERALLY LITERALLY saying those things because that's what I keep seeing. It mught not be your case, and it isn't mine, but I've seen it numerous times in real life: Many songwriters lack any sort of memorable element in their music. Then they attempt to write MIDI drafts and suddenly their music is top tier catchy. You can claim all you want that this isn't true, but it's a fact I've seen many times. You might wanna watch that YouTube video called something along the lines of "Why video game music was better before" and you'll hear exactly what I'm talking about. You clearly don't have enough experience to comment on this, and just like a scientist isn't interested in discussing science with a creationist, I don't feel like wasting more time on this with you. Everything I've said is a fact (except it's a valid opinion that Mozart's music was much better than Beethoven's, that was just a futile opinion war), and if you don't want to believe facts because you haven't yet seen them first hand, fine by me. Write music how you want. I will still recommend songwriters try to write MIDI first drafts. If it doesn't improve their music, then this method is not for them. It still works great for many. Smell ya later. :^)

>>449

This board will have fewer posters but I think they'll be more enthusiastic than /mu/'s. There's next to nothing at /mu/ to offer. It's the same shit month after month. Autistic Rage Festival is basically the only new thing you have to offer and every once in a while when an album is released that's good enough to become a meme, you might discuss it at /mu/, but the nature of this board will make new content to discuss all the time. You have a reason to come every time you consider buying new hardware or software, every time you want quality feedback on your WIP music, etc.

Storme!!sSKiRZod.s 06/03/15 (Wed) 12:23:26 98b917 No.530

You know we've accomplished something when we have our first flame war.

Anonymous 06/04/15 (Thu) 04:03:12 d36192 No.556

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>>438

>a bad melody with reverb sounds worse.

it's unbelievably easyto cover up bad sound design with lots of reverb

and its almost as easy to cover up bad melodies. why the hell would it sound worse.

. 06/06/15 (Sat) 01:20:18 fb1e46 No.578

>>556

let's see you make pure 12-tone sound good then. 12 notes, 1 in each pitch, in a random order with uneven note lengths that are still on beat. add reverb. try to make that sound "good"

you can't make things sound better by just dropping effects on it. if something is as close to objectively bad as you can get, there is no amount of reverb that can save you.

Go ahead, I put this as a challenge to you. Write something that is as melodically bad as you can, even a-tonal if you need to. then try to make it sound "good" without changing the notes. I am in fact throwing the gauntlet down and challenging you to do this.

Anonymous 06/06/15 (Sat) 15:41:36 96acc1 No.583

>>578

Logical fallacy. Just because you can't make a mess that's not even in harmony sound good with excessive effects doesn't mean you can't polish a turd with it.

Audiopolis Volunteer 06/06/15 (Sat) 15:51:16 96acc1 No.584

>>341

Exams done now. A couple of things I have to do then I'll add more links.

Also testing name stuff.

Post last edited at 06/06/15 (Sat) 15:53:17

. 06/06/15 (Sat) 21:51:46 fb1e46 No.592

>>583

but that's just it. you can't polish a turd.

Anonymous 06/07/15 (Sun) 00:05:42 96acc1 No.594

>>592

You can. Make a mediocre melody and practically anyone can make it sound decent with the right effects to distract your attention from the actual arrangement.

. 06/07/15 (Sun) 00:10:42 fb1e46 No.595

>>594

alright smartass I'm going to make something terrible, and upload it, and you can fuckin make it sound good. brb

. 06/07/15 (Sun) 00:26:54 fb1e46 No.596

>>594

Here you go bro. One royalty-free pre-masterpiece, ready for you to polish into gold.

https://soundcloud.com/milest3hr4t/proving-a-point

Piano is hard left, Drums are hard right. it's not in a key. this took me a minute because I kept writing in key and I kept having to change shit.

This might actually be in key, I didn't check, I just briefly tried to make it sound like ass.

So go ahead. Fix this. No changing any pitches or tempo… but yeah go ahead and fix the panning, I just did this so you'd be able to effect them differently.

Anonymous 06/07/15 (Sun) 02:52:40 f8b69e No.598

>>596

is it wrong that i actually digged it

Anonymous 06/07/15 (Sun) 10:32:04 96acc1 No.600

>>596

Did I not tell you to drop the logical fallacies? Make something harmonic and come back to me. You desperately want to be right, don't you? This is getting childish.

. 06/07/15 (Sun) 14:15:50 fb1e46 No.601

>>600

you said that ANYTHING could be made to sound better with a ton of effects,

you used this as the excuse that people should learn to write melodically or harmonically,

This means you implicitly stated that inharmonic, failed attempts and music could be made sound good. That is my point and you're backing down from it because you know you've made a mistake. just re-read how this thread went. this was all about telling people to learn to write harmonically and musically, because you could fix anything with reverb. that's where this argument started and that's where I kept it. you are a moving goalpost fallacy.

>>598

Not necessarily, it *is* rhythmic, it's just weird abstract polyrhythm and could easily be re-written into a complete song that is intentionally strange. but not with effects, but rather by having an actual progression, even if that progression is a-tonal. I didn't consider that at the time that I made this, and didn't bother saving the .flp. that MP3 of it is all that exists, and I don't feel up to the challenge personally of making that into something good and weird. that's… that's a lot more work than even working within the realm of music theory. Musique Concrete is hard work… also, piano slide.

Anonymous 06/07/15 (Sun) 15:54:46 96acc1 No.606

>>601

No, I didn't. Read my last reply again

>mediocre

MEDIOCRE

>mediocre means no harmony

>harmony means automatically good

You're embarrassing yourself. Come back with a mediocre, harmonic melody and I'll show you an example of how noobs trick themselves into thinking it's good enough.

Anonymous 06/07/15 (Sun) 17:22:07 f8b69e No.607

>>601

it was just so different than everything everyone has posted, i heard something potent there.

yeah man. slide.

Anonymous 06/07/15 (Sun) 17:42:29 96acc1 No.608

>>601

>Not necessarily

Stop bullshitting youself. Please.

. 06/08/15 (Mon) 03:22:26 fb1e46 No.612

>>608

clearly you've never listened to 12tone.

or freeform jazz

or musique concrette

or industrial

or speedcore

or mathrock

or EBM

or psy (the genre, not the artist)

or anything by aphex twin

Weird non-standard music both in melody and rhythm, are not uncommon for some genres of music. get off your high horse already.

Anonymous 06/08/15 (Mon) 16:29:46 96acc1 No.617

>>612

Please. That wasn't freeform jazz. That was randomized in FL studio in under a minute.

Audiopolis ## Board Volunteer 06/08/15 (Mon) 16:39:06 96acc1 No.619

Need good mastering tutorials for the sticky. Anyone know of any?

. 06/08/15 (Mon) 18:09:13 fb1e46 No.624

>>619

I posted one at

>>616

which is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ywHHA-q-wM

because seamlessR has quite a few good ones. although the tutorials are made in FL, they are not specific to FL, and when it comes to specific mixing plugins he lists alternatives for just about everything, and talks about the process of mixing, rather than "how to do this process in this program without any explanation of the process itself" that 80% of tutorials seem to do.

he has a playlist for these, which I shall now link

>Production Basics - includes mixing and mastery

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGYoE903Nir7qVmd-b333OT7Wj4EAltGT

I keep mentioning SeamlessR because he's good, not because I'm trying to be a shill for his channel or something. I've basically listed my best sources for tutorials,

SeamlessR, AcePincter, and if you can deal with how slow, rambly, and off topic he gets Warbeats was okay. otherwise it's a small handful of random individual 1-off tutorials, all of which I linked in the other thread specifically about things for the sticky.

>>617

>randomized

I actually made that by hand, even randomization isn't that terrible. again, chill out. if you can't do anything with that to make it sound good, then my point is made. people who can't write harmonically with music theory, cannot fix their crap by adding reverb. that was the fuckin point. settle your areolae

Anonymous 06/09/15 (Tue) 22:15:49 96acc1 No.645

>>624

You keep implying I ever said the destructive use of effects I'm talking aboyt is done by people who can't even write harmonic music. That's called a strawman and you've done it one too many times ITT, so last chance: make something harmonic for me to demonstrate what I'm talking about on or I'll consider myself the winner of this. Seems like you're a 16 year old who just discovered FL Studio. Seems like you're too pussy to play by the rules because you're scared I'm right, and god forbid you were ever wrong. Seems like you don't belong on this board.

Audiopolis 06/10/15 (Wed) 13:04:20 96acc1 No.654

>>624

There's a few mastering tutorials in this playlist. I'll see if they're any good and add them to the sticky.

. 06/10/15 (Wed) 22:23:53 fb1e46 No.655

>>645

First of all - Ad homonym

I'm 27, and have been writing and playing music off and on since I was in elementary school, and started taking it seriously some time in highschool, but still only do it as a passing hobby. I DO have better music and am always improving.

and furthermore, no, I'm not strawmanning what you're saying, You are a moving goalposts fallacy.

>>398

>With MIDI, catchy is all you have. You can't impress with reverb and time stretching. I think most electronic music producers would benefit greatly from spending maybe one fifth of their music production time making catchy MIDI tunes.

In other words learn music theory AT ALL as a consequence

>one of the reasons the most mindblowing melodies of all time were produced in the 19th century

Pretentious much?

>>414

Continuous emphasis on learning and working with notation only, Again, music theory, and learning to write melodies and learning to be harmonic

>>428

>the plebest of history's composers

Pretentious post 2.0

>>432

>learn classical music notation to improve EDM Productions

Because EDM doesn't use music theory at all, and apparently doesn't understand how to write a harmony, and therefor you should be forced to use midi so that you can learn to write a harmony.

Why? because any jackass can just add reverb to it and make it sound good,

>>556

>It is unbelievably easy to cover up bad sound design with lots of reverb

>It's almost as easy to cover up bad melodies

Note: a bad melody is going to be one which is inharmonic, and poorly written, dissonant.

So if you can fix a "bad melody" you can fix an "Inharmonic melody" because bad in reference to melody, is almost exclusively in regards to actually being in harmony, otherwise it is automatically pleasant to the ear regardless of what you do to it.

And that was your fucking mistake. because THEN

>>606

>come back with a mediocre harmonic melody and…

and there's the change. there's the moved goalpost.

it went from

>Bad melody

>mediocre, harmonic melody

One of which implies inharmonic and worse than just bland, would have worked. but then you made it a more strict requirement. and THAT is a moving goalpost fallacy – To claim something as a requirement, and then later when the requirement is met, change the requirement.

have some 12 tone serial - the very definition of inharmonic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz_fBstLfS4

my point was 2-fold

1: you can't fix bad writing (annoyingly inharmonic) with reverb and shit, in order for reverb to "fix" something it must be competently written, and already follow music theory, which is what using a midi would result in. Restricting yourself to notation is only a garauntee of writing in key, NOT writing anything catchy. nothing written in that way would be "bad" it just wouldn't be stellar, and again, no amount of reverb would make something like that BECOME stellar either.

point 2: you're a pretentious ass, there's more than one way to write good music, and being in harmony is not the only way, Again, here's something a huge number of people respect as good, that will absolutely make you scream that it's so a-tonal and a mess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czpwrg8zNls

I have linked in this thread a TON of things about music theory, but no, that doesn't matter to you, it's just "write with midi and you'l just magically get good naturally and write like someone from the 19th fucking century because that's what's good" get off your high fucking horse, it died some time in the 60's.

. 06/10/15 (Wed) 22:34:09 fb1e46 No.656

>>645

and again in regards to the ad homonym and saying I don't belong here,