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eb0324 No.860

I don't know about you - but things like Vaporwave? Seriously? I understand the idea of it about corporations and such, but it is typical lazy crap made by urban woodsman hipsters with manbuns and gender studies rockabilly type students who call an instagram photo art while pretentiously sipping a caffe latte in some substandard coffeehouse somewhere in Melbourne. All it is is some 90s promotional video music, looped, slowed down with some effects. How about we all just do that if that is the standard these days?

I guess any idiot can make music these days.

f69878 No.861

I think the whole anti-corporation thing was a joke. I think the whole "genre" is a joke, and a few artist just happen to be good at it and still make catchy music. I personally only like maybe two "vaporwave" tracks.


64cb27 No.867

I really like the feeling of the music, but hate the reliance on sampling.


f65d40 No.871

M.E.M.E


573e4f No.872

The lazy vaporwave music comes mostly from people trying to parrot Macintosh Plus and Chuck Person's seminal albums (both very nice, btw). Muzak-influenced vaporwavers, from James Ferraro and his magnum opus Far Side Virtual, seem to rely more on compositional skills rather than lazy plunderphonics.

Having this in mind, 95% of the vaporwave releases I've listened to are utter trash.


eb0324 No.876

Macintosh Plus just looped the the beginning and hook of the song 'It's your Move' by Diana Ross.

This is almost theft!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=61&v=nsZ55muE4O0


bc73f5 No.877

>>876

among many other things

that diana ross loop is the only song i enjoyed on that mac album. the rest was, well, bad.


c74890 No.882


c74890 No.883

>>860

Additionally, for maximum kek

Floral shoppe nightcore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJXyZ5EGUEE


8aae37 No.884

>>883

isn't nightcore almost the opposite of vaporwave? you take songs and speed them up


bc73f5 No.888

https://instaud.io/87B

i tried it once. kinda interesting, kinda not interesting but yes. very fucking easy.

guess the song


a6bd1b No.889

Nile Rodgers' guitar teacher a few years before "Everybody Dance" had an important talk with him about music, pop music,etc.

Nile Rodgers had the same outlook as many, he hated general pop music, lazy music, and everything that seemed to trend that wasn't jazz, or any complex form of harmony.

The teacher told him "What makes you right and what makes all of those other thousands of consumers wrong?" before giving him a sterner line of dialogue.

At what point do we, the lesser consumers of non-prominent genres become more inclined and musically entitled. We don't, and it's sad.


c74890 No.890

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573e4f No.895

>>876

>>877

>>882

花の専門店 (the third track off Floral Shoppe) is a good example of creative sampling imo.

>Macintosh version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si1llfNXsI0

>Sample (very beginning of this track): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAwbhdMsf6Q


f3152a No.898

>>860

I don't mind resampling, there's lots of genres created on the back of resampling. But Vaporware is shit hipster music for people who don't care about music, it's why it needs/has visuals. There is very few tracks in the genre that actually sound decent.


d78086 No.1097

Can you show me the way or some good tutorial?


c74890 No.1100

>>898

I made a vaporwave track by sampling chaka khan in the most straightforward and obvious way

https://soundcloud.com/milest3hr4t/click-edit-and-see-alternate-translations

I have however seen good vaporwave and it has eventually lead to some genuinely good stuff, One second. I suggest you watch this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdpP0mXOlWM

meanwhile

>>1097

depends. do you want a serious tutorial?

if not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyt_87yCyNw

also I have a question

Given how much sampling there was,

Is Daft Punk's "Discovery" essentially a faster vaporwave? it re-samples in exactly the same way, in a different tempo, with some effects on it, and occasionally vocals added.


af2a8a No.1103

>>898

Vaporwave was a very interesting and niche genre. Then it got take over by shitty edgy tumblr kid who just loved the "aesthetic" and ruined it big time by transforming it in its own parody

tldr: fuck tumblr


c58242 No.1105

>>1100

i would say it's all sampling music which is not catchy vaporwave but that term i think is a fad

in the daft punks case it is borderline theft


af2a8a No.1108

>>1105

About Daft Punk:

let's just remind ourselves that house music is basically sampling/editing a single song (disco) so it is more "club friendly"

of course that's why it is preferred to use the word "producer" over "musician" when talking about making some house tracks.

If they paid the according royalties (i don't know if they did) I don't see the problem


c915ca No.1109

>>1108

This was back in the day where relooping samples and such took effort, all they need now is FL studio and copy and paste, copy and paste, copy and paste.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyt_87yCyNw


c915ca No.1110

>>1100

Oh shit son, you already posted the frankjavcee video.


c74890 No.1111

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>>1103

>>1105

>vaporwave is a fad

tell that to these fuckers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9L4q-0Pi4E

also go ahead, tell them the genre is based on samples. This is a sample free vaporwave album. not a fad, and not sampling. vaporwave STARTED as a joke, and parts of it got subverted by tumblr tards, but SOME of it actually became something pretty amazing. which is why I posted that video in >>1100

to repeat, that video is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdpP0mXOlWM


af2a8a No.1112

>>1111

>vapourware started as a joke

Doesn't take away anything I said, things being started as a joke aren't necessarily un-serious.

Culture is bigger than us

go read something about cybernetics now anon


c74890 No.1114

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>>1112

Cyberpunk is literally my favorite thing. Ghost in the shell, Psychopass, Armitage, the matrix, Terminator. you speak my language.

The thing is, if you think about it, as GITSSAC might describe it, Vaporwave IS a stand-alone complex. It is a copy of a copy of a copy with no original.

Sure, vaporwave "started" as a joke, but it was a copy of other jokes, like seapunk and the like. piles of genres of re-sampling music to become something new.

That in turn can go back to 80's & 90's house music, everything from the more serious Prodigy, to the Less serious KLF (Kopyright Liberation Front, AKA the JAMMS), and to the Not serious at all art-movement of sound-collage, such as "Evolution control committee" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg-x0gLm88c )

And can also be tied back to hip-hop, and even early experimentation with disco, which pioneered the use of drum machines, and layered recordings. (which is part of why we in the US ended up with disco demolition night. not the only reason, and the whole thing was stupid, but it's still a thing that happened)

Or you could consider it going back to the 60's and 70's, with british rock and roll bands playing blues and folk music on distorted guitars calling it "heavy metal"

and the concept that Everything is a remix

( http://everythingisaremix.info/watch-the-series/ )

technically, vaporwave's history is older than the internet, despite only being a few years old. I think that's pretty damn cool. It's also probably why the "aesthetic" of vaporwave is like you found something in a dumpster full of 80's and 90's nostalgia. The genre itself, the ways it's made, and the thought that goes into it, is itself like a time machine. the idea itself is anachronistic, which is the exact reason that I like it.


af2a8a No.1115

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>>1114

If this kind of things interests you, you should read ex Palais de Tokyo director's book

Relational Aesthetics, by Nicolas Bouriaud

It's focused on contemporary art but has a very interesting theory about cybernetic and culture as a living entity

>inb4 this is not related to /musicprod fagz

fuck you and your closed mind


d78086 No.1117

>>1100

thanks, but i am serching for something more seorius.

And i have a big problem, geting the vocal samples to work. i want the smooth kind of dealy tape thing


c74890 No.1118

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>>1117

look at these screenshot clippings

look at the parts that I boxed in in red. (plus edison and MDA Dub Delay in general)

these things can do what you're trying to. Different re-sampling methods in general. they kind of matter.

>>1115

I don't particularly care for reducing art to an exact science, which is what typically happens when you talk about aesthetics. I also don't read much anymore. It just takes too much time for too little payout. If someone condensed relational aesthetics into an hour or so long video I might watch it, but otherwise I feel like my time is better spent on other things. I would rather experience the aesthetics than read about the meta of it. Which is why a video is preferable, because they can be intertwined and one in the same. explaining aesthetics and cultural theory, USING aesthetics and culture. There's very few things I can stand to just read about for the sake of learning. like, i can count them on one hand.


c74890 No.1120

It's not letting me reply properly, and keeps spitting out errors so

>>1117

I had a screencap of things you need but it tells me the file is already uploaded. Mostly, you want to change your resample method. (time stretching, and audio settings, as well as what you're using to re-sample. all of it effects your sound. also, filters)


c74890 No.1121

>>1120

it didn't add >>1119 or >>1118 until I made this post... what the dick is going on.


af2a8a No.1122

>>1118

The interesting parts are all in the first chapters of the book, then he takes things somewhere else


be090c No.1126

>>1121

8chan does that sometimes.


110115 No.1132

I completely understand that sentiment, OP. I was doing some similar music to witch house, sans hip hop influences when it rose in popularity around 2010/2011. I wrote it off as a /mu/ meme and didn't share any of my music because I hadn't gotten the hang of mixing. My arrangements were decent, but there was too much distortion, muddiness, and reverb like all the founding WH groups. I have a deal with a label now that I know a bit more of what I'm doing, but sometimes I wish I would have just put my garbage tracks out so that I could ride the hype train.


0f597d No.1200

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>>860

OP, you're a fucking idiot. About the same level as a 50something trying to figure out what a furry is. Vaporwave is so vast and varied, this generalization just makes you look ignorant and autistic. Please, if you're going to critique something, take a look at it first. Don't just go by what your dumb friends told you.


57c429 No.1255

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>867

agreed. It seems to also be a very broad term, which is the reason, this album

>>1111 (checked)

goes as vaporwave. I believe it's the subgenre "Hypnagogic drift"

Needless to say, I really got vid related stuck in my head. Even though it's cheap, it does really sound nice. It would have been wonderful if this could have existed without being a sample.


636795 No.1579

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Soon to be a year old but I think the video is very informative, although quite long.

I guess the bottom line would be that it started off one way and filled with pretense, but now is removed from all pretense and just serves as an excuse for AESTHETICS.


04e46a No.1580

>>867

>the reliance on sampling

everyfuckingelectronicgmusicgenreevermade.jpeg

>>876

everyfuckingelectronicgmusicgenreevermade.png

How are you surprised? Ice Ice Baby was a small section of Bowie's Under Pressure stolen and repeated all song. There was some shitty hiphop song about oral sex whose chorus line was stolen and bastardized from that old "Spin me 'round (like a record)" song. There's some shitty pop song whose chorus line is stolen musically and almost lyrically from Eiffel 65's one-hit blunder "Blue".

Electronic music thrives on stealing shit and lazily passing it off as "original". Scum.

Non-electronic musicians have the honesty and good virtue to just play the damn original song and call it a cover.

>>1200

>this anally ravaged

kek


03132b No.1582

>>1580

Most electronic musicians still write original music, even though there are examples like that. Most consists of either original sounds or original sounds + synth presets made for music production.


c74890 No.1587

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