No.336747
well, 5 years and counting… groundwater and seawater appear to be the largest containment concerns, and rightfully so. a sea wall has been added to help curb the unforeseeable meaner ocean events.
meanwhile, the new robots designed to assess and/or clean-up reactor melt-down debris are left inoperable from, what is believed to be wiring failure. one can only think the wiring is not being properly shielded by metal conduit. and as a result, the wiring is being subjected to rapid degradation, as it only has a minimal sheathing against the tremendous radioactive energy.
http://latestnewsvideos.org/sciencetech/article-3485187/Fukushimas-ground-zero-No-place-man-robot.html#
here is a more human-faced article on the tragedies of nuke plant melt-downs.
http://www.nuclearfreeplanet.org/articles/implications-of-the-failure-of-the-fukushima-daiichi-nuclear-power-plant.html
No.336748
anti-nuke site hates nukes
wow amazing
No.336751
They didn't respect the robot…..
No.336754
>>336751
I was just thinking the same thing, anon.
No.336756
Is it possible to shield against the massive radiation in the first place? It's worse than Chernobyl
No.336757
No.336763
The Soviets had the same problem with chernobyl. The robots kept dying, so their solution was to get 2000 soldiers with lead aprons to toss 2 shovelfuls of contaminated graphite back into the reactor vessel. At that point each would have gotten their lifetime dose of radiation.
No.336764
>>336763
japanese self defense force ran away when stationed in fukushima
silly spineless monkeys
No.336765
>>336764
japanese elders volunteered to do cleanup. its the samurai way of the previous generation.
They felt they had lived a good life and didn't mind dying for their children.
No.336768
>>336763
Kind of reminds of that human tank defense pic.
"You see Ivan, when you are of sending soldiers radiation will go away for fear of hurting working soviet man."
I can't find the pic so pic somewhat related.
No.336771
>>336764
All the brave and honorable Japs died in WW2.
No.336779
>>336771
>japs
>brave and honorable
kek
No.336785
>>336747
This IT, peopurr! IT HAPPEN!
I hope you prepped.
No.336788
>>336764
>Be NEET loser
>Can't even get a part time job
>Only option is to join the SDF
>It's the SDF and no one will invade, you think you're safe other than bullying
>First day you join your senior tells you to suck his dick
>The hazing ritual is setting your pubes on fire
>Endure it all, at least it's all over and you can get paid doing nothing
>Suddenly Fukushima
>The media and academia are abuzz with how it's more dangerous than chernobyl
>You're told to enter the disaster area
No.336790
>>336771
>brave and honorable japs
fucking retarded weaboos
No.336792
>>336788
NIPPON STRONG FIRTY GAIJIN FUK YUO
No.336799
>>336790
>option 1: kamikaze
>option 2: hide like a faggot, leave women and children behind
Pretty sure there was a lot of option 1 going on.
No.336809
>>336799
kamikaze? You mean that thing that drugged kids who were conscripted and plopped them in a plane with barely enough (often less) fuel for the suicide mission?
That thing where the ace pilot wrote back home how retarded it was that they were sacrificing the most valuable assets in the airforce, the pilots that take years and millions to train, not to mention the planes for nothing?
No.336815
>>336799
Guess ISIS are the bravest people to have ever existed.
No.336906
>>336799
Good thing the Brave Nipponese chose the third option, tell the women and children to kill themselves or be killed.
Much bravery. Much honor.
No.336914
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I was watching this stuff go down during the events of the 11th onwards. One of the tragic realities is the US 7th fleet was in the region and immediately came at full speed to the area to lend assistance. They were there before the reactors blew, and could easily have airlifted mobile generators onto the site to keep those water pumps working.
My presumption is that they offered the Japanese govt exactly that assistance, and therefore ass.u.me it must have been turned down. Again, before the reactors blew.
Strange.
No.336923
>>336914
accident wasnt supposed to happen
They built the backup generator in a lower ground to cut costs
The SDF were going to deliver a backup generator for the cooler but were late
The person that was supposed to be in charge at the reactor was absent and workers ran away
and this is just the shit that's been confirmed
No.336924
>>336923
>accident wasnt supposed to happen
Never are, heh.
:P
>The SDF were going to deliver a backup generator for the cooler but were late
I see. But you know that's weird too, because it was at least 2 or 3 days after the earthquake/tsunami that the reactors blew. The 7th arrived in the Tokyo Bay area within 24hrs. How in the world did they manage to snafu a relatively trivial task when such costly damage was at stake?
No.336925
>>336924
They had a backup battery which was good for 8 hours, but it ran out and on the next day reactor number 1 blew up.
They also could have prevented everything by dumping sea water into the plant to cool it down but that would have made the plant unusable, so TEPCO was just running around telling people they had everything under control when they didn't.
No.336926
>>336757
He's right though the url is literally "nuclear free planet"
No.336928
>>336925
>so TEPCO was just running around telling people they had everything under control when they didn't.
Yeah, this seems reasonable. I'm pretty sure the 7th was in the area before the first one blew iirc because I thought of this scenario when it was reported that the power failed and the backup was flooded.
I'm not sure what the one-way airlift range is from the aircraft available in the 7th fleet, but surely it must be at least 1000km. They could have literally been there within just a few hours with generators even well before the fleet arrived in the Bay.
I stopped following things eventually, but I imagine TEPCO must be in incredibly deep shit with the Japanese people today.
No.336935
>>336931
Interesting, I'll read it. Thanks anon.
No.336937
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>>336931
>all of them are (currently overseas with family)
No.336939
>>336751
>>336754
THEY COULD HAVE RESPECTED HIM
No.336940
>>336937
cba to attend they're trials, jej.
No.336941
No.336945
>>336751
This is the future they chose.
No.336952
>being this afraid of nuclear energy
Never change /n/
No.336960
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>>336952
Tell me about it
Bunch of limp wristed pansies this lot
No.336962
>>336763
Radiation rapidly destroys electronics and there's no way to shield it. Alpha and beta radiation is already stopped by outermost layer of matter and doesn't do shit really, but gamma-radiation penetrates thorugh 3 feet of solid lead. Ionizing of microelectronics deteriorates the circuits, creating glitches and eventually causing failure.
No.336964
>>336809
Kamikaze were piloting special planes choke full of explosives, basically a man-piloted rockets. There were a hundred-something of them ever deployed. The pilots were specifically trained for it. Otherwise, suicide bombing was strongly discouraged.
No.336967
>>336790
>fighting for emperor
>fighting for grorious nippon
>fighting for ancestors
>kill western piggus
>rape chinese women
>remove kimchi
Fuckin weebs, amirite?
No.336970
>>336964
Retarded enough to be a jap this one
It's all over when you die. You get on the plane to keep flying and to shoot the enemy. When I die I die in my plane fighting. - Iwamoto Tetzuzo
If even just one person higher up in command would come with us I'll order my men - Shiga Yoshio when instructed to go on suicide bombing
When I close my eyes I can still see the numerous students of mine who have been forced to suicide bomb. Why did the Japanese command do this foolish act for ten months. They claim the suicide bombers volunteered and yet Genda Minoru is in the US living. All lies - Japanese flight instructor
Killing an ace pilot such as me. Japan's over. I can drop the bombs on their decks without having to ram myself into it. I don't go for the emperor or the Japanese empire. I go for my wife. If we lose Ameicans will rape her. I die for the person I love. Isn't that something? - Seki Yukio the first suicide bomber's last words to a journalist.
It is a great honor to have been chosen as one of the Kamikaze. But this is suicide and no sane person could have come up with this. Unless they're suicidal. Truly something a fascist empire would come up with. We might have some short term success but we will still lose this war. - Umehara Yuji, 22.
They say that people shouted praise for the emperor or the empire as they died but I haven't seen a single person do so. They all shouted for their mothers in their last moments - Harada Kaname, one of the Zero Sen pilots.
But wouldn't that just result in loss of men? - Emperor Akihito after being informed of what Kamikaze is.
No.336975
>>336970
Suicide bombing planes didn't even had any armaments you dipshit, they were literally rockets with live human for a guidance system.
No.336977
>>336964
>special planes choke full of explosives
>>336975
> didn't even had any armaments
make up your mind faggot
No.336978
>weebshits trying to glorify suicide bombing
wewlad
No.336979
>>336975
Right, so they just flew planes into armored boats for shits and giggles?
Damn japs are even more retarded than I thought.
No.336985
>>336975
>>336977
Being loaded with explosives is not an armament.
Ammunition for the cannons and bombs/torpedoes is armament.
Why would you waste time dogfighting when you were just going to suicide?
>>336978
>not glorifying dying for one's country
Pretty shit way to do it, but the life of a warrior is a life on the brink of death
inb4 Americans give their lives to Israel
No.336988
>>336985
Dying for your country is one thing, dying needlessly is another.
No.336989
>>336985
>invade another country
>get btfo
>suicide bomb
>this is glory
wew lad
No.336990
Shit, forgot I was on /n/iggers and that this place is full of /leftypol/ and faggots
>>336988
And we beat the shit out of them
>>336989
They didn't invade the US. Pearl Harbor was an inside job.
No.336991
No.336992
>>336990
kek.
Just like 9/11, it wasn't an inside job, but the government knew it was coming and let it happen so the population would want to go to war.
No.336993
>>336988
See, it wasn't needless. They very needed the way to take out fleets, but bombers couldn't cut it, and they didn't had technology to guide the missiles which were perfectly capable of doing the right damage but weren't capable to fly where you want them. Shame it ultimately failed anyway, due to lack of suicide missile speed they were taken down by naval anti-air artillery, attack success rate was abysmal - which is why the program was immediately folded.
No.336994
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>>336993
>Shame it ultimately failed anyway
I wonder who could be behind this post.
No.336996
>>336992
No anon, Pearl Harbor was just a massive fuck-up of US military, as per usual. 9/11 was an inside job.
No.336998
>>336993
>program was immediately folded.
>almost 4000 island monkeys suicide bombed
k?
No.337000
>>336998
They only trained like 2000 pilots for this, and only fielded about a 100 suicide units. Retards that flew they fighters into ships despite being prohibited by high command to do it don't count.
No.337004
>>337000
Full retard
nice trips though
No.337005
>>337000
So all those first hand evidence showing that they were forced into the suicide mission is clearly a korean/chinese/american conspiracy right?
No.337008
>>337005
>forced
B8 harder m8. Jap military had to resort to threats to pilots' families to discourage suicide bombings.
No.337011
It's all a lie that they left filled with braveness and joy, crying, 'Long live the emperor!' They were sheep at a slaughterhouse. Everybody was looking down and tottering. Some were unable to stand up and were carried and pushed into the plane by maintenance soldiers.
No.337012
>>337008
are you a jap? I can't believe anything else can be as retarded.
No.337015
>>337012
>provide argument
>HURR DURR UR A RETARD
No.337017
>>337015
>first hand evidence in the contrary
>numerous interviews and letters showing that they were forced
>provides no proof in the contrary
>thinks he made an argument
You should get a trip so people don't have to read your retarded shit.
No.337019
>>337017
Well it's time you whip out those prooflinks then.
No.337020
>>337017
>>337019
How about both of you do?
No.337022
>>336925
The other reason why they didn't dump sea water into the reactor was because the minerials in the sea water could've caused the reactor to start up again.
No.337023
On the contrary, Oonuki said, when he and his fighter pilot colleagues were first asked to volunteer for this “special attack mission” they thought the whole idea “ridiculous.” But, given the night to think about their decision, the men reconsidered. They feared that if they did not volunteer, their families would be ostracized and their parents told that their son was “a coward, not honorable, shameful.” And then, as fighter pilots, they would be sent to the most dangerous part of the front line where they would still die—but dishonored. As a result, he told me, “everyone put down the answer which was opposite from what we were feeling. Probably it’s unthinkable in the current days of peace. Nobody wanted to, but everybody said, ‘Yes, [I volunteer] with all my heart.’ That was the surrounding atmosphere. We could not resist.”
http://www.historynet.com/a-kamikaze-who-lived-to-tell-the-tale.htm
Don't forget, they often didn't ask for volunteers but asked for people who wanted to withdraw. And suicide bombers who managed to drop their payload and come back were forced out again, with one Waseda University student surviving nine trips, and on his last trip was executed for not blowing himself up.
No.337026
>>337023
The shills must be asleep, cause this is pretty good discourse. However it has nothing to do with the OP
Polite sage for off topic
No.337028
>>337026
I think we have higher level shills here, since they both have points they're defending and they have sources.
No.337031
>>337028
It's a known fact that kids were drafted and forced into suicide bombing with the only evidence in the contrary coming from japanese interest groups, fuck off trying to equate the two sides.
No.337032
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>Forcing your uneducated citizens into suicide missions is honorable
/n/ seems to be so retarded, it's unfit to discuss anything other than crabs.
No.337033
>>336788 (checked)
>penis inspection day in japan
No.337034
>>337032
This seems like the sort of tactics that work better when your army is Chinese or Russian sized.
No.337035
>>337032
Dying in battle is more honorable than retreating in shame or giving up. The government wasting lives is not honorable, and I'm not defending the government.
No.337038
>>336768
Would you rather lose some infantryman or a tank with its trained personnel?
No.337041
Ask the souls of a billion dead soliders if honor really matters.
No.337119
>>336926
no one cares, /intl/
No.337120
>>336788
Hold on a second. You're describing the Russian Military here with it's dedovshtina bullshit.
One of their hazing rituals was breaking a dudes feet so hard that they had to be amputated or a bunch of niggers forcing a new conscript to suck the dick of the dude who has been there longer than him.
No.337141
No.337145
>>336747
So Im supposed to have sympathy for robots because of some hysterical anti nuclear website?
Yeah nah.
No.337178
>>337145
>not respecting it
No.337475
>>336967
>Rape is good
Go back to whatever stan you came from you sandnigger.
No.337487
any studies or articles on the effects this have on the occean and other countries?
No.337506
S.T.A.L.K.E.R japan edition when?
No.337540
>>336967
>be a collectivist piece of shit
>fight for the man rubbing hands
No.337643
>>336962
well. There's an easy fix for that.
GIANT STEAM POWERED MACHINES
No.337673
>>337643
you are truly beautiful anon! steam is certainly an acceptable alternative Vs. Fukushima.
No.337680
>>337643
it is actually hard to believe that the "ring-of-fire" does not produce an omnipresent solution of the geothermal energy. really weird…
No.337698
>>336931
I mean come on people they're [currently overseas with family]
No.337701
>>336990
>say dumb shit
>get called out
>YOU'RE ALL LEFTISTS
Stop false flagging /intl/.
No.337705
>>337028
Yes, which is why threads on /n/ rarely devolve into retarded shitflinging contests full of nothing but sourceless conjecture.
Oh wait.
No.337727
>>337705
You hardly need shills for that.
No.337766
>>337643
>>337680
There are spotty solutions here and there, but mainly it's a question of economics. Fossil Fuels are simply far more economical to expolit than geothermal. Ironically enough, about the best societal example is Iceland, far away from the Ring of Fire.
No.337808
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Whats interesting is after the earthquake and tsunami, the japanese windmills were still running, and supplanted the country with much needed energy after the entire nuclear plant system was shut down nationwide.
No.337812
>>336799
option 3: recognize you don goofed and accept the inconditional surrender offer. In WW I, Germany tried a last ditch effort to win the war during the Kaiserschlacht and when it failed, they surrendered. Twenty years later, they were back into business again.
No.337818
>>337766
i think you have to ask yourself if your using the word "economics" here as some type of dodge (just being true to yourself). sure, you are entitled to your opinion. or perhaps the entire understanding of economics to blame. the entire human race is stymied Vs. these nuclear disasters, economics fails. Fukushima is not even going to be approachable for at-least a hundred years, economics fails here. War mongering Trump wants to seize someone's natural resources on the basis of war, which has been proved throughout history, if thinking like that, makes you feel like a winner.
Iceland is a great example, they are using what they have, thats very responsible. they may actually need some help by adding some copper to reduce water acidity, but thats easy enough.
as much as i love Yellowstone, and it IS one of the planet earth's most beautiful spaces. when does it become economically irresponsible to ignore the energy potential there?
killing for oil? how can one explain these things? because some dingbat-Xpresident put some ink on paper about the US's energy needs, i think not. but then again, who says economics needs to be admirable.
No.337834
I have avoided seafood for years now because of fukushima. there's no telling how much of a massive coverup of the true effect on the environment is since multi-billion dollar industries are at stake.
No.337836
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>>336747
>right now Donald Trump is so powerful decontamination robots are shitting themselves
Fixed.
Alright, let’s check >>333333 ...
No.337842
>>337818
no, I just meant simple economics. it's far more efficient $/kWh wise to consume fossil fuel for civilization atp.
that, and the fact much of it is highly mobile. moreso than, say, steam energy.
No.337856
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>>337808
Do you mean 'augmented' anon?
Fossil fuel energy generation was–and is–the number one source of energy production in Japan. A near-exactly commensurate increase in fossil occurred use occurred after 3/11-related nuclear plant shutdowns, with a marginal growth in non-hydro sources as well.
No.337882
>>337487
you would probably need to entertain a nuclear physicist or higher grade for the exact potential of releasable radiation throughout the years. high gamma suggests that nuclear reaction is still occurring & can compound the question. then add-in unspent fuel and/or waste. ITS UGLY MAN,,, UGLY. thorough test results are not making the public eye, which suggests to me that the problem is still worst-case-scenario. (but i am just a nobody,lol.)
many countries outright refuse Japanese goods at this point. the Japanese had THE largest fish market serving the world. i believe that shut-down, and has since relocated. i think it was Berkley that was somewhat visible on the food concerns 12-18 months after the incident, excuse me, accident. someone was finding pacific tuna with nuclear traits consistent with fukushima. the only other event in my lifetime that i can recall disappearing so quickly from sight, was 911.
No.337950
>>337842
that said, i believe steam is still an outstanding solution for stationary use. i get the mobility issues, but still proved usable for loco & maritime aswell. dry cells are on the horizon, and actually, probably should have made production by the 60's. doubtful we will ever know who made that wonderful distraction.
No.338014
I like how whenever Fukushima comes up people ignore entire towns just kind of fell over. I mean, sure it sucks what happend with the reactor but it's sort of a testament to just how resillient the things are. Being supposively not built to withstand earthquakes, it did a decent job withstanding an earthquake.
I understand its a disaster, but its not like its the biggest consequence to the earthquake and tsunami.
No.338017
>>337950
I did notice both the railroads and shipping abandoned steam over 100 years ago more or less. Don't worry anon, in roughly 100 years or so fossil fuel reserves may possibly diminish to the point the market won't bear the cost anymore and steam could make a comeback. Hey even sailing ships might actually happen to a degree before then.
till then, enjoy the extra benefits of, say, gasoline in you're tank
No.338022
>>338014
The Tsunami was and is by far the biggest disaster that happened during the event. 10's thousands died from it. The other problems are almost negligible by comparison, though the longest term effects ofc will be the nuclear disaster.
No.338052
>>338017
Steam power was abandoned on U.S. railroads by 1960. The oil and automotive industries lobbied intensively in the postwar period to switch first to diesel-powered electromotive locomotives, and then to trucks. This was the same era the automobile industry lobbied to dismantled America's public transportation infrastructure in order to sell more cars. This is the "free" market at work!
No.338079
>>338052
This is sadly true, one of those conspiracy theories that's actually proven fact.
No.338096
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>>338052
So then, as I said to quote
>"I did notice both the railroads and shipping abandoned steam over 100 years ago more or less"
You're primary butthurt ITT seems to be over fossil fuel. Until the advent of modern, small nuclear power, effectively 100% of all steam-powered vehicles were fossil fueled. Did… you somehow not even realize this?
No.340526
>>336931
well how stupid is this? how do you bring person(s) to trial when the damage is still accumulating, and will continue to accumulate for 100's upon 100's of years?
No.340572
They need to buind a huge scooper crane and a huge well shielded boat. Thake the claw and scoop up a reactor building, put it on the boat and dump it in the marianas trench. The radioactivity will be relatively harmless there and they can begin a proper cleanup of the site when the reactors themselves are no longer a problem. Come on Japan, you've answered big challenges like this before, whats one more?
No.341097
>>337643
yeah, or…
They can actually shield the robots using their own materials.
http://sankoirika.co.jp/
No.341106
>>338052
I'd vouch for diesel locomotives though. They have very high specific power, which is kinda big deal if you can't spare 100 feet worth of mechanical assembly to generate same amount of power, which you can't. Dual-cart steam locomotives were bad enough as it was. Diesel engines wound up being actually simpler and requiring less maintenance and control than steam engines. Also, diesel has an advantage of being liquid.
Using steam turbine is of course a superior method, but at the time there was no way to make turbine to wheels transmission that was actually functional, so they went with diesel instead.
No.341128
>>336756
Probably too expensive. And I'll bet all the gold in the world that they rushed development and construction and cut corners.
Lots of physical shielding = too bulky, too heavy to maneuver. Needs larger servos and more power.
Lots of magnetic shielding (induced magnetic field, like our magnetosphere)=lots of power, longer R&D period, complicated construction.
see: http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0741-3335/50/12/124025/meta;jsessionid=5DE41631A5447F13EBB8F8CE116C889F.c4.iopscience.cld.iop.org
No.341316
>>340526
Four options:
1) You erase their genetic lineage.
2) They are forced to live in poverty near a radiation hazard.
3) For posterity, their names are cast in bronze as colossal fuck-ups.
4) Their assets are seized and redistributed to fund costs for reparations, cleanup and redevelopment; they are publicly condemned in-person, published and broadcast to the global community concerning their actions, the truth is bluntly stated and future repercussions outlined; then they become indentured public servants who only toil to find and implement solutions to the problems they have run from and for the benefit of the citizens they affected. Perhaps they may have a chance to redeem their deeds.
No.341326
No.346946
>>341316
you make a couple of profound points in line 4.
unfortunately, the nuclear industry is made-up of a larger consortium that are rewarded nicely for nuclear energy. to suggest that these 5 individuals, alone, are the "responsible" parties, is horrid. what you end-up with, in-short, is a judicial system that finds a couple of "business" lambs to sacrifice, while the majority of the profit holders skate away scot-free. sadly, this process is mirrored throughout the business communities of to many nations, and so international companies fire onward. it is seen time and time again. enron, tyco, and the list seems endless at his point, companies raping profits from the consumers, with only a couple of human beings responsible.
it just seems clear, that the "decision-makers" are not enough to shoulder the blames or burdens, if any positive changes are going to be made to human life. conversely, appointing a couple of sorry-sacks is a great way to pillage & plunder extraordinary profits.
No.347487
>nuclearfreeplanet.org
seems legit