No.338639
>The global temperature in February took its greatest leap in 136 years of record-keeping, rising 1.35 degrees Celsius (2.43 degrees Fahrenheit) above the 1951-1980 average. As a result of the gigantic temperature jump, it became the warmest February on record by a landslide.
>NASA released the data over the weekend, and scientists reacted with astonishment.
>“Wow,” tweeted climate scientist Gavin Schmidt, who directs NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies. “Normally I don’t comment on individual months, but last month was special.”
>“This result is a true shocker, and yet another reminder of the incessant long-term rise in global temperature resulting from human-produced greenhouse gases,” blogged meteorologists Jeff Masters and Bob Henson at Weather Underground.
>The 1.35-degree difference from the 1951 base line marked the greatest monthly departure on record, 0.21 degrees Celsius above the next biggest departure established just the month before that.
>[January was the ninth straight month of record-breaking global warmth]
>The extraordinary global warmth was set in motion by the long-term climate-warming trend, but it surged to another level because of the record-challenging El Niño event that released into the atmosphere large quantities of heat stored in the tropical Pacific Ocean.
>The heat injection helped this February pass February 1998, the previous record holder, by a whopping 0.47 degrees Celsius (0.85 Fahrenheit).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/03/14/the-planet-had-its-biggest-temperature-spike-in-modern-history-in-february/
No.338663
boooooooooorrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiing
No.338664
No.338699
and a mere 40 yrs ago we were looking at the "Big Freeze"… impending doom of an Ice age coming… Time magazine early 70's
No.338701
>>338699
The weather and climate data we had available to us in the 70s isn't even a single percent of what it is today. With new data comes new results. It's how science works.
No.338703
>>338639
Wow the pushback from a Cold December (Even in Aus) is proof of Global Warming
Wow they are right again
WOW
No.338711
>in modern history
what about the 3.5 billion years before that?
No.338713
No.338714
>blah blah muh climate chains
yeah whatever
No.338719
>>338639
Definitely feeling it in Buffalo. It's fucking spring here already.
No.338736
>NASA released
Government sector released a piece of information that suggests more regulations should take place.
Riveting
No.338739
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>>338736
>proof is not proof
>only proof which confirms my previously held beliefs is proof
>anything else is a conspiracy
No.338740
>>338639
we had several record cold days in February, it sucked dick
who the fuck got the nice weather?
No.338742
>>338739
It's funny that shills graphs always start at 1850~ when the earth exited a mini ice age in 1850
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
No.338751
yeah and? We know the planet has had climate change weather patterns since it's birth millions to billions of years ago.
What can we even do about it?
>mention we should use nuclear energy more in that it uses the least amount of emissions and produces the most power
"MAH NUCLEAR WASTE WHAT IF IT BLOWS UP LIKE CHERNBOILL!??!"
>mention we should use solar panels then
"LOL DOESN'T WORK ONLY 15% ENERGY OUTPUT I HATE IT BECAUSE TECHSUCKS/COLORSUCKS/MAHGAS/ECT"
>mention lets use fuel cells
"LOL JUST A SCIENCE EXPERIMENT WON'T EVER BE FEASIBLE BECAUSE MAH OIL NEVER RUN OUT"
>mention oil is peaking
"LOL TINFOIL"
>mention what about natural gas
"MAH GLOBAL WARMING"
>mention planet has been changing weather for years with or without human intervention
"MAH INCONVIENANT TRUTH TOLD ME THE PLANET IS DYING WE NEED TO DONATE MONEY TO AL GORE WHO WILL SAVE US IF YOU DONATE MONEY TO (Add idiotic green movement not obvious shill "Non Profit" Organization here)
I swear to fuck it's like the human race wants to fucking die out and argue who dun it while the planet gets to be the way it is.
Humans have nothing to fucking do with the planet changing only in pocket areas (oddly third world countries are the biggest waste producers I wonder why that is? : ^) ) that produce waste to begin with but this is all the planet naturally being what the planet does.
And this is why we should be working hard to colonize the fuck out of Mars but "NOPE NASA USES UP TOO MUCH MONEY WE NEED IT ON DEM SOCIAL PROGRAMS SO WE CAN SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS ON EARTH FIRST! : ^)"
No.338752
I bet the reptiods did this
No.338754
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>>338742
>I am ultimately righteous
>therefore, people who disagree with me are disingenuous and only say what they do because they they're paid by the Jews to do so
Lol, did you even read that page you linked? I mean look at this graph for fuck's sake, it shows that the current spike in temperatures is far above what it was at before the little ice age.
>>338751
>nuclear energy
The best option tbh
No.338772
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>>338742
>Muh Kelvin scale
>Muh weasel statistics
>Muh I'm a scientist and in no way associated with a think tank dedicated to propping up cuckservative lies
>Muh work on superconductors makes me an expert in climatology
Debunked
No.338784
GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL GUYS!!!
YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ME!!!
No.338791
>>338784
you're disagreeing with 99% of the professionals who know what they're talking about think. Do you suppose that's a wise decision?
No.338792
>>338772
>he thinks Kelvin is an Illuminati plot to make temperatures look big
No.338808
>>338754
Cool chart
Now show us one that goes back from before the Ice Age ;^)
Global Warming is real, but I don't think humans caused it, the Earths climate has been changing for millions of years, the post-Ice Age climate has just been the normal for most of human history, so the increasing temps is something we're not used tok, but if you look at Earth history, it's not something unheard of.
No.338812
>>338808
Here.
It's a publication from the British Antarctic Survey even down to fucking ice core samples.
Carbon Dioxide and Methane are in higher concentrations than ever before, and this can be linked directly back to: You guessed it, FOSSIL FUEL USAGE.
>"stop shilling, CO2 is healthy for plants"
Except that's not how the fucking Earth works you nigger. There's the terrestrial and atmospheric carbon cycles. They interact in a few ways, with rain forests and oceans acting as sinks for carbon in the atmosphere but the burning of fossil fuels is sending shittons of Carbon Dioxide that was once a part of the terrestrial carbon cycle into the atmosphere.
This coupled with deforestation and rising ocean acidity (which prevents it from acting as an effective sink for excess CO2) means that we're losing places for all this fucking excess carbon dioxide to go.
No.338813
No.338821
>muh global warming is a jewish conspiracy
No.338824
>>338821
Think about it this way: two situations, if the world acts on global warming then the scientists get money for research and we possibly find ways to stave off an apocalypse. If the world doesn't act then corporations don't need to spend money fixing the shit they cause and the apocalypse is on.
Climate change denial is the most Jewish thing in the world, they get more money and they get to kill all the fucks too poor to build an underground city.
No.338831
>>338824
We also don't have to give Saudi Arabia any more of our money.
No.338832
>>338791
they are paid shills
No.338834
>>338791
>97% https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl9-tY1oZNw
>>338824
jews have near complete market dominance and are now able to fuck over smaller businesses and remove competition using the carbon credit system
No.338840
>>338792
It's just a tactic used to bend the truth and make it more obscure to uneducated faggots like you.
>>338808
>show me a chart that goes back further
>uh… okay, show me one that goes back FURTHER
lol whatever faggot, keep your head in the sand like a true cuck why don't you.
>natural cycles explain everything, it's impossible for humans to affect climate :^)
This is what I don't understand. For this to make sense, you have to deny at least one of these two facts:
>carbon (along with other molecules) traps solar radiation via the greenhouse effect
>the human race has released a fuckton of carbon since the Industrial Revolution
>>338824
I agree with you but I think that anon was mocking the deniers ITT
>>338832
Is this bait, or is this anon suffering from microcephaly? We'll never know.
Which seems more likely?
>99% of all scientists are shills, 1% are not
>1% of scientists are shills, 99% are not
>>338834
>carbon credit system
I agree that this is a shitty thing which should be opposed but this is a case of opportunism. The "Jews", as you call them, are just exploiting the awareness of climate change for their own ends.
No.338845
>>338834
"People who know what they're talking about" means active climate scientists, not some random fucks from the bio department.
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
Nobody cares what "the world's scientists" believe, that shit isn't "active researchers in climate science". In the study that the 97% number comes from they only had 5% climate scientists. I lived with a macro economics professor who didn't understand gravity, opinions in areas outside of a scientist's specific area are just opinions, they mean as much as your retarded opinion.
No.338848
>>338840
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E11v7DY4UM
I wonder who's been funding Climate change deniers?
No.338850
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>mfw stormderp conspiratards will deny global warming even exists
>mfw libertarian frogs in the pot of reality getting boiled to death
No.338852
>>338840
>>338812
>>338813
Fact: Earths atmosphere has had much more atmospheric c02 in the past
Fact: Earth was much warmer in the past
Fact: massive lively jungles and dinosaurs existed on this Earth
We're making a mountain out of a mole hill
That said, if "global warming" is what is going to convince people to invest in alternative fuel, so be it.
No.338857
This is all pointless as in the next 1.5 billion years or more we will be hotter and more toxic than Venus. This was our planet's fate at conception regardless of human intervention. It was always going to happen. It's inevitable. We will be swallowed by our expanding sun. The only thing we can do is get off this rock before it's too late. "muh mother earth is unique" oh shut the fuck up if you've read articles on the hypothesized super earths they are far superior to this dungheap and its subpar magnetic field. We need to get the fuck out before it's too late.
No.338858
>>338852
Fact: Each time the Earth warmed up it was a massive fucking disaster for all life on the planet.
Fact: Life on Earth will survive, so will humanity, but global warming will make life really fucking shitty for the next few thousand years.
>muh naturalistic fallacy
No.338859
No.338860
>>338858
Didn't the meteor that whiped out the dinos cause global cooling though?
No.338869
>>338860
It did, but what the fuck does that have to do with anything? Yeah, there are many different ways to cause a mass extinction, and all are pretty bad. A massive drop in temperature would be about as bad as a massive spike in temperature, but the difference is that we're not experiencing a massive drop right now.
One of the leading theories about the Permian extinction is that it was caused by global warming. Of course it would have been from volcanoes and massive fires instead of from tailpipes, but a carbon molecule will contribute to the greenhouse effect regardless of its origin.
No.338876
>>338857
>implying the eventual death of the sun has anything at all to do with (relatively) short-term climate change due to the greenhouse effect
Idiots like you shouldn't be allowed to vote
No.338877
if global warming is happening it is a net positive for the USA and we should encourage it.
No.338878
>>338877
>losing half of the Deep South along with almost every single coastal city to flooding is good for the economy
>massive droughts in the West and Plains are good for agriculture
>we need more climate refugees from the Third World (you think just Syria is bad? try almost all of India and Africa as well)
>glaciers and snowpack are useless anyway, nevermind that we get our water from them
No.338881
And China will continue to burn coal, literally. It doesn't matter how much the first world whips their cucks and tells them to be cleaner, pollution will always happen on a large scale in the second and third world where those concerned have no influence.
No.338882
>>338878
>almost every single coastal city to flooding
Will we also lose California?
No.338885
>>338878
use your fucking head. we're not running out of land. we don't need to take any refugees… except for the brain drain. we have weather control technology, cloud seeding, etcetera - our competitors don't, and will come begging, hat in hand, selling themselves into chains to us for a cup of fucking soup.
and the amount of water on earth remains constant, fuckwad, and no, we don't drink glaciers, none of that shit you mentioned matters because we can solve those problems and our enemies can't. global warming increases our advantage.
No.338890
>>338889
Trump will end global warming and make the climate great again
He is so cool that his coolness will literally cool down the Earth
No.338892
>>338890
Well the slow end of DPRC's manufacturing would decrease their pollution, and if he managed to move the manufacturing back here since there are stricter laws on pollution it could do some good
No.338894
>>338881
Imagine America and China are on a hot air balloon. The burner is getting weaker
>>338882
Yes, but it won't be a tsunami, instead it'll be a gradual creeping over a few decades. Plenty of time for those displaced commiefornians to move away from their doomed state so they can shit up yours.
>>338885
>we're not running out of land
We will be after sea levels rise! Also the land we'll lose will be some of the most densely populated and developed land, so we'll have to bulldoze national forests in order to build new condominiums for all the people, and until those get built there will be millions of homeless people in the U.S. alone.
>we don't need to take any refugees
Just you wait. The current crisis in Europe is nothing compared to what we could be in store for down the road.
From Wikipedia:
>Most parts of Bangladesh are less than 12 m (39.4 ft) above sea level, and it is estimated that about 10% of the land would be flooded if the sea level were to rise by 1 m (3.28 ft).[132]
That's sixteen million displaced persons per meter in Bangladesh alone. The same shit would happen in every coastal country on the planet to some extent.
>we have weather control technology, cloud seeding,
weather =/= climate, you drooling moron. We can force it to rain a little bit, at great expense, in limited areas, but that won't solve any problems.
>and the amount of water on earth remains constant
Total water, yes. Fresh water? Nope. We get that from glacial runoff, and if the glaciers melt that's it, no more easy water.
>increases our advantage.
What "advantage"? Do you think real life is a fucking game of Civilization? That if the entire world (us included by the way) suddenly shits itself that we'll be okay because we'll get shat on less? The world economy will tank and America won't be able to sell its agricultural products or services abroad anymore. The economy will fucking end.
Don't opine on things you clearly know nothing about you fucktard.
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No.338900
>>338894
>The burner is getting weaker
So we throw them off to lighten the load.
Preferably over a volcano.
No.338901
>>338894
Sorry I hit delete on mistake
Imagine Mr. America and Mr. China are on a hot air balloon together along with every other country on the planet, high above the open ocean. The burner is getting weaker, but it's still strong enough to lift the basket. Or it would be, if the two gentlemen would dump out some of the massive lard they're gorging themselves on.
"I won't dlop my rard! Amelica got to have his foa ronga den me! It no fair!"
"I won't drop mine until he drops his!"
The Netherlands speaks up and says to America, "But if you drop some of yours first, we'll descend more slowly, maybe long enough for us to fix the burner!"
"Nuh-uh! Not until China promises to drop his!"
Meanwhile, the ocean is still approaching faster and faster…
No.338902
>>338894
ban this fucking cuck shill
No.338903
>>338894
>>338902
banning him right now
No.338905
>>338902
Why? Are you afraid of coming out of your little bubble?
No.338906
>>338894
banning him right now
>>338902
No.338907
>>338901
>Imagine Mr. America and Mr. China are on a hot air balloon together along with every other country on the planet, high above the open ocean. The burner is getting weaker, but it's still strong enough to lift the basket. Or it would be, if the two gentlemen would dump out some of the massive lard they're gorging themselves on.
Same answer as >>338900
No.338908
>>338905
thanks for the loosh, love /fringe/
No.338909
>>338900
>>338907
Yeah, let's murder 1.2 billion people in our #1 trading partner. That's a great idea, much easier and more humane than driving electric cars and building nuclear plants.
>>338902
>I'm triggered, I feel unsafe!
>ban people who point out how retarded my opinions are!
fuck off tumblr
No.338910
No.338911
>>338909
enjoy negative thoughtforms being sent to your house to farm you of your precious energy scum
No.338914
>>338909
>our #1 trading partner.
You mean the country most of our industry was moved to so the corporate bastards could rake in more shekels? They're not our partner, they are leeches, and that should end.
>much easier and more humane than driving electric cars and building nuclear plants.
>>338881 This nigga is right
The only way to stop china from being retarded is to kill them
No.338917
>>338663
You must be pretty fucking stupid to think we don't have an impact on the climate. What do you think happens to all the co2 we produce?
No.338918
>>338917
Meant to reply to >>338751 . sorry mate
No.338919
>>338739
>>338772
>>338840
>>338850
>>338821
>>338901
>if the gummint says climate change exists, it must be true.
No.338921
>>338914
Just face it fam, you have literally no argument left. Global warming is real and if we don't do anything about it we'll get fucked even harder than your naive worldview was just now.
>>338919
Strawman harder faggot.
No.338922
>>338921
I didn't even say global warming wasn't real
No.338924
>>338922
I guess that other anon left the thread in a butthurt rage, then. But you're still an idiot either way.
No.338925
>>338924
Good thing you're not old enough to look for a job or you might be a bit more concerned with our jobs being outsourced to third world shitholes.
No.338927
>>338925
>hey guys, maybe we shouldn't start WW3
>WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICAN JOBS?
ok mate
No.338968
So when does this second ice age happen? I'm tired of being sweaty
No.338978
I don't know that its man made but the fact that my state used to get winter snow starting Oct into March when I was a kid and now its maybe sometime in Jan, part of Feb, and light amounts of it at that, is a little weird. Been going like this for years now and its less winter each time.
No.338979
>>338968
A few thousand years. You'd better stock up on deodorant m8
No.338995
>>338639
Still doesn't give you a reason to hellfire missile developing countries to maintain your energy monopolies, America.
No.339000
>>338639
well shit, we have to impose sanctions on Sweden and Germany for burning coal asap
No.339006
>>339000 (checked)
I think it's more accurate to say that the coal's burning them.
No.339018
>>338852
If global warming will bring back the dinosaurs, I'm all for it.
Think of all the exotic new meats.
No.339035
>>338739
This spike also coincides with America bombing Japan with nuclear destruction.
No.339049
> yet another reminder of the incessant long-term rise in global temperature resulting from human-produced greenhouse gases
No.339051
What's the point in telling us this? We've already got solar panels and wind farms and all sorts of emission reducing shit.
Go tell China, where they have to have fucking pollution forecasts to tell people whether or not they have to wear their face masks today.
No.339052
>>339051
Interestingly, the desire to not get winded and breathe more of the smog than you have to when you walk or run is why electric unicycles are taking off in urban China.
No.339060
No.339069
>>338921
Not him, but let's say global warming is real. Im an American living in the Midwest. I own 50 acres of farmable and a lot of guns. My well taps an aquifer. What the hell do I have to be worried about?
>sea level rises
400 meters? I don't think so
>temperature changes climate
So I lose the long winters hampering productivity and get increased rainfall from the (now closer and warmer) oceans?
>food prices increase
So I get richer from my crops?
>migrants
Lol if they try to take my shit me and my family will kill them
>economic collapse + energy crisis
I have more than enough tools to have a self-sustaining life.
No.339072
GUISE
ICE AGE TOMORROW
YOU GUISE
IT'S 2016
ICE AGE TOMORRAH
No.339083
>The global temperature in February took its greatest leap in 136 years of record-keeping, rising 1.35 degrees Celsius (2.43 degrees Fahrenheit) above the 1951-1980 average.
>above the 1951-1980 average
>not the 1900-1980 average
Fair and balanced.
Next we'll hear how this justifies taxes and more government control. Neato.
No.339093
>>338754
These "hockey stick" figures are the result of blatant data manipulation.
"Global warming" is a scam.
No.339094
>>339093
The globe is a scam.
No.339099
>>338639
>human-produced greenhouse gases
>literally 1% of naturally produced greenhouse gases
>responsible for anything
That's some high-tier shilling, it's hard to trace who's gonna even benefit from it. I guess it's the very people who do it directly, they're getting paid to do bullshit research on the topic. We have sulfur and nitrogen compounds to worry about that are actually poisonous and can inflict damage to the living organisms, temperature raise won't do shit on the other hand, it'll only make the planet more hospitable to life.
No.339102
>>339099
>1% of yearly greenhouse gases are human-made
>1% even after half the coal power plants were being shut down for natural gas
>more than 1% of this year's output, for over 50 years
China is a good point, but at least they're efficient, unlike Shitposter-land
Too bad the ecology movement isn't about climate change, but rather securing large swathes of land for repaying debt
Blue-green algae is the world's largest photosynthetic oxygen producer, but cutting down trees fuck with animals, wind patterns and soil conditions
>>339094
shit, he found out!
Call the super-space shuttle so we can fake more pictures of round earth
No.339103
>>338919
>implying it's the government
>not the scientific community
I'll never understand why /pol/ thinks global warming is a conspiracy but I guess it's just one of those things you made up your minds about a long time ago
No.339105
>>339102
Well guess what fucktard, 1% manmade gas versus 99% natural gas over 100 yeas is the same as 1% manmade gas versus 99% natural gas over 1 year.
No.339108
>>339083
the 1951 - 1980 average is higher than the 1900-1980 average. If anything this would be understating how bad things are.
No.339112
>all of these faggots not knowing about Earth's natural temperature cycles
No.339330
>>339099
> temperature raise won't do shit on the other hand, it'll only make the planet more hospitable to life.
Painfully wrong. Shellfish and mollusks in the ocean are dying because the increase in ocean acidity (a result of climate change) is weakening their shells. Cows are breeding less and producing less milk in response to increasing temperatures and more resources have to be spent housing them in giant warehouses that keep them cooler than the surrounding temperatures. The only organisms that benefit from hotter temps and higher CO2 levels are plants. Studies done on poison ivy by exposing them to the levels of CO2 that the planet is projected to reach by 2020 shows them growing faster and becoming more poisonous.
No.339345
>>339069
Prices for ever single commodity will rise, so while you would make more money than you would otherwise you still wouldn't have anywhere near the quality of life you have now. And have fun farming by hand like your ancestors, Mr. Rugged Individualist, when oil prices skyrocket due to the destruction of seaports.
You would be affected less than most people to be sure, and you'd most likely survive, but it would still suck for you.
And considering that the rest of the world would absolutely shit itself this isn't a good reason for inaction.
No.339358
>>339112
Nobody is denying they exist, we're just saying that what we're seeing now isn't a result of them.
Or do you deny that atmospheric carbon causes warming?
Do you deny that human actions emit carbon into the atmosphere?
Do you deny that we're at 400ppm of C02 right now, the highest in at past 800,000 years and maybe even the past 20 million?
No.339378
>>339358
The amount that atmospheric carbon affects global warming is not a linear function; it only affects it so much and then the affect drops off significantly.
No.339405
>>339378
Even 1 degree Celsius is a major increase.
And the reason the increase in temperature has leveled off recently is because the oceans are absorbing some of the heat now - once the deep oceans warm up we'll see the atmosphere follow suit even more.
No.339406
>>339358
Dude just give up. What you're seeing now in this thread, in every thread on /n/, everywhere on 8chan, is a side-effect of this site being among the last bastions of free speech on the open net. People with fringe opinions come here since no one wants to hear them elsewhere. They genuinely believe that evolution and climate changes are hoaxes, that the Jews are responsible for everything bad in their lives and that Trump will make America great again. People in real life and everywhere they were before on the Internet tried to explain the most basic stuff to them, without any success since they close their mind to anything that doesn't confirm their beliefs. You're literally trying to reason with the craziest people you can find outside of mental institution. They're borderline paranoid schizophrenic, you'll end up losing your own sanity if you keep arguing with them. Just give up.
No.339416
>>339406
In most cases I would agree with you, but the difference between global warming denial and the Jews or Trump is that global warming has mountains of scientific evidence to indisputably refute every claim they make. It makes the argument really easy, as you can see by my utter victory ITT last night.
Also, unlike most things this is an actually important issue which we can't afford to be retarded about.
No.339429
>>339405
Of course it is a major increase, but it is part of the natural climactic cycle of this planet, not anthropogenic.
No.339431
>>339416
>global warming has mountains of scientific evidence to indisputably refute every claim they make
That just shows how fucking crazy they are. No matter how much direct evidence you give them they'll refuse to believe. There are people in Norfolk right now who have to build floodbanks arounf their backyard because the sea level is rising and they fucking won't believe climate change is a thing. It these people you're arguing with.
You're right that we can't afford to be retarded about that, but they're a small minority. Enough people are aware and willing to change their lifestyle now that these crazies won't make much of a difference. And in the end, when we manage to actually stop global warming, they'll strut around victoriously and say that since it never happened they were right and we took care of the environment for nothing.
No.339439
>>338869
A silver lining to take from that is that as long as life survives, the climate will 'normalize' eventually.
No.339446
>>339429
>not anthropogenic
This has been addressed multiple times ITT. The concentration of C02 has gone up to its highest level in millions of years, a trend which started in 1850 or so when people first figured out how to release ancient stored carbon and unwittingly fuck up the carbon cycle.
I mean really, how could you deny that human activity releases carbon? Have you seen a car before, do you know how many of them there are in the world?
>>339431
Eh, maybe you're right. But where there's life, there's hope. If I've gotten even one person to reconsider his position that's a victory, even if the rest of them keep acting like idiots.
No.339452
>>339431
>>339416
For the record, he made me question my views on climate change, we aren't all crazies.
>>339446
You have you victory.
No.339455
>>339429
Also I want to add that the current level is at 400ppm, which is way above the peaks of the natural cycle shown there.
No.339457
>>339439
Or we become the next Venus.
No.339470
>>339446
I admire your determination but I hope you realize this is the single worst place on the Internet to try to change people's mind. I tried to do that a lot myself for a long time on halfchan, ended up being frustrated at people that I never even saw their faces.
>>339452
Oh, I know it's not everyone here who is entirely crazy. But they're damn loud, and everyone else tends to keep their mouths shut. And you know, even if it turns out that we were wrong and climate change isn't caused by humans, nothing bad can really come out of protecting and preserving our environment.
>>339457
Very unlikely, Venus's atmosphere only remains so dense because of heavy volcanic activity. There's no way we could extract enough shit from the ground to dump in the atmosphere to increase pressure that much, and as soon as we stopped it would be blown away by solar wind, even with the Earth's strong magnetic field. Venus is just ridiculous.
No.339485
>>339452
Well anon, it's reassuring that you're willing to listen to reason and change your views when proven wrong. That puts you head and shoulders above most people and shows that you are intellectually honest.
No.339490
I had heard from one of my friends in the meteorologist profession who isn't part of the "in" crowd, and he said that a good deal of the whole iceberg dilemma is probably because of there being significantly less pollutants in the atmosphere than 150 years ago. Heavy metals and such do a pretty good job of blocking solar radiation from entering the lower atmosphere, apparently.
I'm not going to deny that humans have an impact on climate take a look at China for example, but I'm not going to let some fearmongers' whining get in the way of enjoying my life to its fullest.
Also, don't worry about naturally-occurring extinctions, as they happen and have happened all the time.
No.339610
No.339652
>>338664
THIS CAN FUCK UP ALASKIN CRAB PRODUCTION
No.339663
real or not, we should seek cleaner energy sources and with more yield
real or not, taxing people for it is not the solution if the money isn't put into R&D to get better energy sources
real or not, the kikes are bleeding us dry and the problem isn't being fixed
so real or not, stop siding with the jews
No.339753
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>>338639
wew lad the evidence for climate change is that:
Our dynamic lava filled rock spinning around a young active sun doesn't have the exact same temperatures on each day of every year adhering to calendar dates. Those dates set by european continent dwelling species before they even knew how large our rock is and ill revised since show temperatures not exactly the same for every day and every hour each week and month each year!
Wow we better bend over at the altar of government and pay more CARBON taxes because surely fire retardant ocean mammals and frog mutants with 5-7 legs will all be fixed if we pay a bigger tithe to old men sitting and shuffling papers while pretending to be our saviors!
No.339754
>>339652
And some crab species might altogether adapt unusual mating behaviors thus erasing their traditional courtship cycles!
No.339756
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>>339446
>This has been addressed multiple times ITT. The concentration of C02 has gone up to its highest level in millions of years, a trend which started in 1850 or so when people first figured out how to release ancient stored carbon and unwittingly fuck up the carbon cycle.
>
Looking at this graph: >>339358 It seems like the huge climb in CO2 started about 20,000 years ago.
Blame those cunts who lived in the paleolithic era not me.
No.339757
>>339663
>real or not, we should seek cleaner energy sources and with more yield
>
>real or not, taxing people for it is not the solution
Full stop. Period. End of statement. Truth.
>if the money isn't put into R&D to get better energy sources
Public funds into research reduce incentive for both immediately useful results and for immediately irrelevant but long term viable scientific developments. Convince a dumb old man in a desk that you need more money without him understanding the difference between an sp orbital and a speedball.
>real or not, the kikes are bleeding us dry and the problem isn't being fixed
>so real or not, stop siding with the jews
Not only them my friend, do you really excuse the poor behavior of rich old white men and women that think their vacation cruises are more important than investing in their childrens future?
No.339760
>>339756
You're responding to someone who will not argue you truthfully. That character, played by multiple shills, shows up in all threads on /n/ that challenge the climate change cult politics (CCCP)
>>339446
>Eh, maybe you're right. But where there's life, there's hope. If I've gotten even one person to reconsider his position that's a victory, even if the rest of them keep acting like idiots.
>>339446
>Eh, maybe you're right. But where there's life, there's hope. If I've gotten even one person to reconsider his position that's a victory, even if the rest of them keep acting like idiots.
This just in!!!
BIG NEWS BIG NEWS
Throwing money at men who are unaccountable to you sitting and making all the laws and all the taxes is thet answer and solution to everything. Heavens forbid one actively contributes their time and effort directly to a cause or organizes with their community or or … raises kids not to repeat the same cycle of failure… why if we pretend we did not fail and tell our kids we did awesome things surely the mistakes we've made won't repeat themselves!
No.339774
>>339455
>I mean really, how could you deny that human activity releases carbon?
I never did, I only argued that "climate change" is the result of human activity. Nice straw man tactic though, I guess that's all you AGW snake oil salesmen can rely on when all of the science goes against your religion.
No.339777
>reading this as it's snowing outside
God damn global warming
No.339781
>>339330
Acidity has to do with sulfur as I just mentioned, acid rains are legit concern.
>shitty cow breed suffers from ever so slight temperature raise
When your breed of cattle plummets in value because ambient temperature raises by half a degree to the point it's cheaper to use air conditioning you know it's crap (indubitably resulted by hundreds of years of cattle inbreeding) and you need to get back to breeding a better suited species.
>>339358
Human contribution to carbon is minuscule, you shouldn't be giving a shit about it. Human contribution of sulfuric compounds and nitrogen oxide, lead, mercury, and a whole bunch of other shit that's actually makes tangible impact on environment. Global warming shills need to die.
No.339822
>>339753
>there's just no evidence :^)
Read the thread you fucking moron.
>>339756
What that graph doesn't show is the climb in CO2 up to 400ppm which has happened since 1850 and is not the result of any natural cycle.
>>339760
>muh shills
>muh conspiracies
Get a real argument.
>>339777
Weather =/= climate, all that matters are long-term trends.
>>339781
>Human contribution to carbon is minuscule
Yup, 100ppm (1/4 of the total) and counting is "miniscule" all right.
>if you disagree with me you are a paid shill
Scientifically illiterate and intellectually dishonest retards need to stop sharing their retarded opinions on things they know nothing about.
No.339835
>>339822
Yeah, considering you get the 100 promille figure straight out of your ass, you do seem very literate on the subject.
I wasn't saying anything about being a paid shill but it's so nice of you to blow your own cover.
Also, in case you couldn't tell, I meant that those shills take everyone on a wild goose chase instead of getting people to address actually important ecology issues… which gives me a clue as to who would benefit from the whole global warming shilling.
No.339849
>>339835
>Yeah, considering you get the 100 promille figure straight out of your ass, you do seem very literate on the subject.
lol
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere
>I wasn't saying anything about being a paid shill but it's so nice of you to blow your own cover.
Get it through your thick skull that this is not a hugbox and that people can legitimately hold opinions differing from yours without being agents of whatever bogeyman you believe in. I'm not a shill, faggot, deal with it like an adult.
>actually important ecology issues
Global warming is a critically important ecology issue, but it is far from the only one which deserves our attention. What issues are you thinking of, specifically?
No.339855
>>339849
>Get it through your thick skull that this is not a hugbox and that people can legitimately hold opinions differing from yours
It's like you have zero self-awareness at all, like an animal of some sort.
>issues
Oh gee I dunno, how about acid fucking rains? Or water poisoning, just in case air poisoning doesn't sound too bad? Carbon oxide generated in internal combustion engine is a child's play next to sulfuric and nitric acid that it generates by proxy, it creates sulfuric and nitric oxides which then create sulfuric and nitric acid.
No.339864
>>339855
>It's like you have zero self-awareness at all, like an animal of some sort.
This is pure projection. If you're unable to have a discussion or argument without calling everyone who disagrees with you a shill, don't talk to me about self-awareness.
>acid fucking rains?
Yup, I agree that it's pretty horrible. The best way to solve it is to replace coal plants with nuclear and renewables, which, GASP! would also help with climate change.
>water poisoning
Kind of a wide range of different things but yeah, we should totally address that too.
No.339866
>>339753
no, the evidence is the simple fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas which warms the planet and since we started digging up fossil fuels and burning carbon back into the atmosphere, the concentration of CO2 increased. not exactly rocket science. in fact, it's grade school science you fuckwit
No.339886
>>338739
>proof is not proof
>AGW is real! Data that contradicts it is wrong!
>only proof which confirms my previously held beliefs is proof
>Unseasonably cool weather doesn't disprove global warming because weather isn't climate, but perfectly natural heatwaves and el nino and other weather effects do prove global warming is real because we can shift the goalposts to say so!
>anything else is a conspiracy
>Any and all data or study that disproves what hallowed and most magnificent government tells us to believe is heretical lies of the CARBON INDUSTRY!
It's comical how little self awareness you stupid fucks have.
No.339920
>>339886
>Data that contradicts it is wrong!
What data?
>but perfectly natural heatwaves and el nino and other weather effects do prove global warming
I've never said this you fucking dunce, unless you think that each decade since 1850 being noticeably normal than the last "a perfectly natural heatwave". In the past sixteen years, every single one except 2014 has been in the top 16 hottest years.
Strawman all you want but it'll never make you right, dipshit.
>Any and all data or study that disproves
Again, what data? Show me some climatological data which backs up your claims and I'll tell you why you're interpreting it incorrectly. I've been posting graph after graph, while the deniers ITT have only posted one which he misread anyway. I have mountains of reliable, reputable data on my side, and you have none.
>what hallowed and most magnificent government tells us to believe
Oh fuck off, I'm a libertarian for Christ's sake.
>lies of the CARBON INDUSTRY!
The carbon industry has been funding people like this guy >>338742, who usually aren't even experts in the field of climatology, to create the appearance of a debate within the scientific community. Ivar Giever is actually a great example because he's speaking outside of his field of expertise and he works for the Heartland Institute.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute#Funding
>Oil and gas companies have contributed to the Heartland Institute, including $736,500 from ExxonMobil between 1998 and 2005.[124][108] Greenpeace reported that Heartland received almost $800,000 from ExxonMobil.
No.339939
>>339920
*noticeably warmer than the last is "a perfectly natural heatwave"
No.340101
>>339822
>ignores all arguments
>pretends throwing money at bureaucrats is the answer to environmental damage
lmfao
No.340102
>>338639
excuse for the phoney green agenda (not the authentic one) and depopulation.
fuck it was even in the last episode of this season of xfiles.
No.340105
>>339822
>ignores all arguments
>pretends throwing money at bureaucrats is the answer to environmental damage
lmfao
No.340125
>>339103
>Implying those scientists don't all work for the government
Who do you think funds those assholes? They all work for government grants. If a scientist worked for a private entity and said it was his scientific opinion that said entity is on the up and up, we'd see it as a conflict of interests, but a scientist who works for the government telling us there's impending climate peril unless we give the government entirely too much power is somehow perfectly legit.
Also, the whole "we have to believe them because they're scientists!" argument is a crock of shit. There's even a term for it, it's called an appeal to authority. We're supposed to accept that they say it because it's true and it's true because they say it, despite the fact that they refuse to provide explanations for data that contradicts them and openly demand heretics, er, I mean "deniers" be censored and prosecuted.
When literally every possible outcome is somehow proof that your claims are correct and your only real response to skepticism is censorship and bullying it's time to stop pretending anything you're doing is science.
No.340138
>>338792
Good job not countering any of the debunking faggot.
No.340140
>>340101
>ignores all arguments
Nope, there were no arguments to begin with.
>>pretends throwing money at bureaucrats is the answer to environmental damage
I have never, once, ever, said anything even remotely similar to this. You drooling retard.
No.340144
>>340125
>appeal to authority
Because you have no evidence to back up your claims, what you're doing is the same thing in reverse. Because government agencies say it's happening, therefore it's false
>"we have to believe them because they're scientists!" argument
This is fundamentally opposed to the very concept of science, and as such nobody who knows what he's talking about would use this argument. Stop strawmanning.
>your only real response to skepticism is censorship and bullying
You mean thoroughly refuting every claim made by "skeptics", and then telling them to fuck off when it's revealed they're being funded by big oil?
How about this: we base our opinions on what seems most probable from the science.
No.340199
So what's the solution to reduce the green house effect to the levels it was beforw the industrial revolution :^)
No.340247
>>339866
except co2 and temperatures are not in sync and the 20k increase of co2 is natural not human forced
try solar flares, cultist
No.340249
>>339864
>Kind of a wide range of different things but yeah, we should totally address that too.
Yet you ignore it and focus on muh carbon taxes as if government solves everything
No.340251
>>339920
> each decade since 1850 being noticeably normal than the last "a perfectly natural heatwave".
No.340252
>>339920
> each decade since 1850 being noticeably normal than the last "a perfectly natural heatwave". In the past sixteen years, every single one except 2014 has been in the top 16 hottest years.
No.340254
>>339920
>". In the past sixteen years, every single one except 2014 has been in the top 16 hottest years.
No.340255
>>340254
>>339920
>. In the past sixteen years, every single one except 2014 has been in the top 16 hottest years.
>
No.340256
>>340254
>>339920
>. In the past sixteen years, every single one except 2014 has been in the top 16 hottest years.
>
No.340257
>>340144
>This is fundamentally opposed to the very concept of science, and as such nobody who knows what he's talking about would use this argument. Stop strawmanning.
>
When the data does not fit with what the scientists are saying and skepticism is met with mixture of ad hominem like "conspiracy theorist" and "oil industry shill" as well as censorship then it is not a concept of science. Science would pull out relevant graphs to counter the claims instead of introducing wildly varying off topic claims to bolster the claim while doing nothing to address the data that does not fit their proposed theory.
No.340259
>>339822
Lay off the koolaid anon. CO2 was at much higher levels in the past.
There are negative feedback mechanism that regulate the average temperature.
Shellfish evolved with much higher CO2 levels in the atmosphere.
The worst thing for humans is lower temperatures, not higher ones.
Oh, and CO2 lags temperature, not the other way around.
No.340263
>>340247
>except co2 and temperatures are not in sync
>temperatures can rise for more than one reason
>therefore CO2 is not a reason
fucking kek
>the 20k increase of co2 is natural not human forced
>374 billion metric tonnes of carbon released in the last 265 years by burning fossil fuels
>also destroying natural carbon sinks with industrialization
>not human forced
alright m8 whatever you say
I like your graph too, even though it ends at 111 years ago so I'm not sure how it's relevant.
No.341081
>>340249
>Yet you ignore it and focus on muh carbon taxes as if government solves everything
Where have I ever said anything in favor of "carbon taxes" you fucking retard? It's like all you people can do is strawman.
>>340251
Care to link me to the study this was published in? Because reverse imagesearching it only brings up a bunch of right-wing blogs and such.
>>340252
>Cliff Harris and Randy Mann
http://www.longrangeweather.com/About-Us.htm
Harris is a weatherman who wrote a weather column for the Coeur d’Alene Press, not a "climatologist" as he claims. Notice how he doesn't list his credentials! He might not have ever even studied climatology for all we know.
This is from his website.
http://www.longrangeweather.com/Article-Archive-Index.htm
I highly, highly doubt he does any research himself on climate. He just picks and chooses news articles which he thinks sounds good and then makes bullshit predictions based off it, which means he's about as credible as you are. I might listen to what this guy has to say about next week's weather, but he's hardly an expert on climate.
I mean for fuck's sake, he's one of the chemtrail nutjobs:
http://www.cdapress.com/lifestyles/article_3245d5e5-81a0-51a5-aa30-479edd40f61b.html
>Randy Mann
I don't feel like spending another 20 minutes or so researching this guy, but based on his association with Harris I feel confident in saying that he's full of shit as well.
You can find a better source than this.
>>340255
>carbon emissions went down during the economic crisis
wow mate you sure got me there, global warming is disproven guys!
>>340257
>"the government invented global warming in order to push more regulation on us"
>not a conspiracy theory
ok mate
>oil industry shill
Except this has been proven about several "skeptics", like one of the ones posted earlier ITT.
>Science would pull out relevant graphs to counter the claims
It fucking does, you mongoloid. It does every single fucking time, but you never actually look at any of them. Instead you go to the greatest lengths to find retarded wackjobs with no credentials or experience
>>340259
>CO2 was at much higher levels in the past
Absolutely correct, however this is misleading.
When CO2 levels rise gradually there's no problem, because life has plenty of time to adapt to the warmer climate.
When they spike, however, there's no time to adapt and there's a mass extinction. That's what is happening now - not a gradual change, but a spike.
>Oh, and CO2 lags temperature, not the other way around.
Nope, it's both ways. High CO2 levels lead to high temperatures and high temperatures lead to CO2 levels, although the former is a stronger correlation than the latter.
No.341094
No.341133
>>340263
we actually have more forests today than we did 50 years ago
in south america we have more forests today than we had 500 years ago and thats a heavy forest region
your move fag pawn
No.341135
>>341081
>Nope, it's both ways. High CO2 levels lead to high temperatures and high temperatures lead to CO2 levels, although the former is a stronger correlation than the latter.
by your logic CO2 never goes down without human intervention
No.341154
No.341179
>>341135
That just shows you don't understand my logic, then. Read it again - nothing I said implies that.
You deniers can only cling to your retarded beliefs through closing your ears and strawmanning the fuck out of anyone who tries to reason with you.
No.341181
This article remind me of an episode of the twilight zone about the world being super hot and getting hotter, long story short; the chick was having a bad dream and the world was instead going through an ice age.
So anon's what would you prefer an ice age or a heat wave? Being that I live in an area where the heat can reach up to 110 degrees I would have to say that ice age would be better, because fuck the heat.
No.341182
>>338639
What the fuck is GLOBAL WARMTH? There is no GLOBAL TEMPERATURE, different parts of the Earth heat and cool at different rates. This argument proceeds from a false premise.
No.341190
>>339103
I realized it by looking up old news about global climate, it would always switch back and forth between warming and cooling and constant, continuous extensions of the goal posts. not to mention the outright lies that there is a scientific consensus, this fact is the reason they back pedaled to "climate change" instead of global cooling/warming.
/pol/ has nothing to do with it.
No.341204
>>341182
>what are averages
full retard
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>>341190
Wow you are so observant!
Did you also see the part where for a time conservatives were also on the global cooling bandwagon and even Richard Nixon took it seriously?
Did you skim over the logic behind their reasoning back then? Did you miss the part where they said it would happen centuries later if it occurred?
They figured that the pollution building up in the air would slowly cause more and more of the sun to be reflected back into space. Hence why they figured that eventually this would cause an ice age, similar to the way volcanoes have in the past. And no the term hasn't "always switched back and forth", they had a big crazy about cooling in the 70's when they didn't entirely understand the phenomena and after that it became global warming and then more accurately climate change. It was a linear progression of terminology changing with the times and peoples understanding of the subject. What they didn't take into account was the greenhouse effect and depletion of the ozone layer. And guess what, ever since they figured that shit out in the late 70's the world at large has banned certain aerosol sprays and so forth that were causing it. The only holdouts have been from vested interests within the oil industry.
If global warming is a hoax and man can do nothing to change the climate or influence the weather then how come hydrochlorofluorocarbon pollution is still banned? How come the ozone has slowed its rate of decay since the ban? How come the conservatives and their smart ass think tanks never call for that ban to be lifted? If we cannot influence the climate it shouldn't be a concern. It wouldn't have anything to do with big oil not having a stake in it would it?
You have realized nothing. You have been fed a narrative and ignored obvious examples which contradict that narrative.
No.341306
>>338639
>in 136 years
So what caused the bigger spike 136 years ago and how did it cool before this latest one?
>>338881
Pretty much this. The recent big global environmentalism talk concluded with all first world countries having to pay a pollution tax to ((some regulatory body)) don't even know who but all the biggest polluters in the world are exempt. Complete fucking bullshit.
If it were up to me we'd wipe every indian off the face of the earth and level every single one of their factories, coal plants, and call centers and call it a fucking day. I would suggest nuking the place but I'm sure some greenie will get in a fit about how the bombs are giving off too much smoke from all the fiery explosions and how we should be using free range hydrogen fed bombs instead.
I don't give a shit about the temperature and it all seems like circlejerking faggotry to distract from the real impact our fossil fuel burning is causing - acidification of the oceans. I get the feeling that nature has its own way of sorting things out and everything will just cycle around back to this same point.
Mother nature tends to just kill off a huge amount of everythings to get the job done though so at least we humans are the most adaptable of the world's somewhat intelligent species and are most likely to survive it.
Probably.
No.341323
>>341306
No, 136 years is how long the temperature has been kept track of, hence the graphs which show a constant rise.
No.341328
>>341306
I should mention that my primary fear of climate change stems from the fact that the planet will not be able to sustain us with the way things are going. The global ecology will crash, we'll go extinct, and in the next couple million years different things will fill in the gaps.
It's purely from a stance of self-preservation, the natural systems that exist affect the distribution of nutrition, the weather, every aspect of Earth is connected. We are not invincible, we're completely reliant on everything. If we weren't, we'd have self-sustaining colonies on the moon, no problem.
No.341436
>>341094
So what? I said nothing of the authors. I made no appeal to authority. If you disagree with the graph just say so.
>>341081
>spiking CO2
What spike? I went up a few ppm. It isn't even well mixed in the atmosphere. Look at the data from OCO2 and see that most CO2 is produced by the Amazon rain forest.
>>341179
>deniers
What is this shit? It must hurt for anons on a mongolian watercolor site to point out you're a dogmatic retard who starts from a conclusion and works his way back to evidence that fits, but try to relax.
>>341204
What physical meaning does a global temperature average have?
What time of day to you average at (TOBS)?
If a small part of the US is experiencing a heat wave but a large part of Antarctica is at -50C how do you average that? Does it mean anything?
The shit you see on your alarmist propaganda sites are from surface temps. These measurements are spotty and adjusted to fit a narrative. The satellite data shows little warming.
TLDR: stop being such an edgy faggot and try to look at more than just propaganda. Maybe even give critical thinking a spin, who knows?
No.341448
>>341179
>You deniers can only cling to your retarded beliefs through closing your ears and strawmanning the fuck out of anyone who tries to reason with you.
You believers can only cling to models that have almost always been proven wrong.
No.341452
>>341448
Agreed! This whole science malarkey is for the birds. They got it wrong with phrenology and lobotomy so I don't see why we should trust them with vaccines or nuclear power either.
The atomic model alone has gone through so many revision that nobody knows what's divisible or not these days. #DaltonModelPhoLyphe
No.341453
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>>338739
http://www.therightclimatestuff.com/
wow look ex NASA scientist saying that the numbers that NASA puts out are BS and if they speak out against it while they are employed they are fired.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
No.341456
>>341452
>They got it wrong with phrenology and lobotomy so I don't see why we should trust them with vaccines or nuclear power either.
When they got it wrong with lobotomy, they stopped lobotomizing people.
When they get it wrong with climate change, they just backpedal and re-iterate the same talking points.
No.341461
>>341453
Is that like the area 51 workers saying there's flying saucers there
No.341464
>>341453
I see NASA people on the regular claiming we've been visited by UFOs and have walked on Mars, man.
>>341456
>Didn't understand the atomic model reference
>opinion discarded
No.341465
>>338791
So I should rely on the opinions of a scientist who knows nothing about climatology. I can ask a mechanical engineer on what his opinion is how old the earth is and their are some that say the earth is 6000 years old and believe in young earth creationism. a persons believe(scientist or not) is still just an opinion it is not fact.
No.341469
>>341464
>Didn't understand the atomic model reference
>Implying people could only disagree with you if they don't understand you
Being so constantly wrong usually weighs on a persons mind, but you climate change morons just seem to enjoy it.
No.341470
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>>341464
so we should discredit the opinion of scientist is what your saying?
No.341471
>>341465
>So I should rely on the opinions of a scientist who knows nothing about climatolog
Only if his views agree with your preconceived notions that you've gotten at your local trump or tea-party rally.
No.341472
>>341471
>that attempted insult
You guys really need fresh material.
No.341473
>>341471
>you've gotten at your local trump or tea-party rally.
get off your high horse and have a real debate why dont you? eh?
your making assumptions while proving my point
No.341479
>>341452
>>341471
>physicists are right, therefore climate models are right
Admit it, you just have a fetish for anything that contains the word science. You could care less about the truth.
Why don't you just go back to reddit or halfchan?
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>>341452
Don't worry anon, I see your parody. Poe's law all up in hurr.
No.341483
>>341471
my point is that a chemist, an anthropologist, and a physicist
1.) Don't specialize in climatology so their OPINION is just as valid as mine. Because they aren't well versed in that specialty
2.) Just because a group or a majority holds an opinion or stance does not make it fact.
>>341479
I am not >>341452
second the models have failed to predict and of the changes that have occurred. they have to constaly "modify" the data in order for it match reality.
Not to mention the model is not reality it is a computer rendition of reality and you don't have scientific proof that carbon dioxide is actually warming the planet just your models assuming it has
No.341484
>>341479
also
>Why don't you just go back to reddit or halfchan?
thats just a spot on argument right there. you cant trust anyone who uses either of those websites. I actually heard pedophiles sjw and rapist use those websites so i must be a sjw for pedophiles and rapist
No.341487
>>341483
Proof is irrelevant. They read some snarky text on some popular website and now they're experts.
Every single thing they say is retarded and every single time someone points that out they go back to: scientists say so.
It's just a fetish. Apparently peer review trumps basic logic in their view.
No.341488
>>341479
But this argument is almost totally pointless because if it is happening it will happen regardless of government intervention. The only reason to continue is to feel like you (or me) are making a point and said point justifies your (or mine) opinion and makes you feel good about being "in the right"
No.341489
>>341487
Its almost like you don't want to have a debate or a conversation its like your just here to say pointless things that don't at all contribute to the conversation?
No.341490
>>341484
You argue like someone from those places. Why are you here? Try to look into some of the things posted here and think for yourself instead of being buttblasted and ignoring arguments/shifting goalposts.
No.341493
>>341489
You haven't debated shit. You keep saying lol nope a few ppm of CO2 will have great consequences. You base this on bullshit (as has been pointed out repeatedly) and complain when people get tired of your bullshit.
No.341498
>>341490
>Why are you here?
I'm sick and quite bored and I see flaws
>You argue like someone from those places
oh my takes one to know one right?
>Try to look into some of the things posted here and think for yourself instead of being buttblasted and ignoring arguments/shifting goalposts.
You are guilty of what you accuse me of reading other peoples opinions and not thinking for myself. The only argument presented is that I'm from another website and I don't understand logic. You haven't provided PROOF that Carbon dioxide cause warming. but lets assume your right that global warming is cause by CO2 what would be an apropriate course of action to take? Hike up taxes and government regulations? Create a world government or put some agency in charge of making sure every country doesn't produce over a certain amount of CO2?
No.341501
>>341493
>>341498
None of those are a solution to the problem of global warming. Because the solution is going to come from research being done on new energy sources. That requires that companies be free enough to make enough money to preform that research. Limiting human beings with economic taxes and regulations is the opposite of what needs to be occurring. This includes resources being cheap (power labor materials and human intelligence) when you restrict this its like restricting blood to the brain it hampers everything. So why would you want to constrict companies in such a manner? your solution gets THE ENTIRE HUMAN POPULATION no where. Its a solution that a government wanting more power would provide.
No.341594
>>341498
FFS anon, the lack of IDs set us on ruse cruse. I may have replied to you, meaning to reply to the asshole who kept saying denier and shit. My bad.
I doubt very much CO2 has any appreciable contribution to warming. I was trying to reply to the guy who kept moving the goalposts.
No.341595
No.341608
>>338699
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/07/150709092955.htm
>Solar activity predicted to fall 60% in 2030s, to 'mini ice age'
A new model of the Sun's solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun's 11-year heartbeat. The model draws on dynamo effects in two layers of the Sun, one close to the surface and one deep within its convection zone. Predictions from the model suggest that solar activity will fall by 60 per cent during the 2030s to conditions last seen during the 'mini ice age' that began in 1645.
No.342036
>>338791
First you got the meme wrong, it's 97% not 99%, and second it's bullshit. Take the time to read this debunking of the famous John Cook paper:
https://archive.is/xJqb4
The 97% figure is a lie. There's a consensus - when you directly ask scientists what they believe - but it's 70 something %, not 99%.
And there's two other papers that also conclude there's a 97% consensus and they're bs as well. Do a little research on WattsUpWithThat.com, there's the Doran survey and the Anderegg study.
And before them the kooky alarmist Naomi Oreskes - she's the one who predicted a household pets holocaust in 2023 - was using the same 97% figure after she made her own little bs study of the same type that John Cook re-made 10 years later.
No.342046
>>342036
>household pets holocaust in 2023
if you thought I was kidding:
http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/collapse-western-civilization-view-year-2393
"Why exactly did so many pet cats and dogs of wealthy Westerners die in 2023? The authors don’t say, but the implication seems to be that there wasn’t food for them. But if so, that really needed to be spelled out since it isn’t obvious that would happen in real life."
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2014/09/doomed-kittens-puppies/
“Well, it’s all based on solid science. Everything in this book is based on the scientific projections from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. All we did was to add to the social and human aspects to it … and to ask the question; what does this really mean in terms of what its potential impacts would be on people and its potential impacts on our institutions of governance?” -Naomi Oreskes