No.340865
https://archive.is/XDiMr
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/bernie-sanders-vows-to-fight-on-despite-clinton-rout-a6934701.html
>He did not talk of defeat.
>He talked still of victory, of changing the status quo.
>But as Bernie Sanders put a brave face on a sad night and promised that his battle to make it to the White House would continue, he was aware that he now faces a huge struggle to fulfill his dreams, and those of his supporters.
>After securing a stunning, surprise victory a week earlier in Michigan, there had been excitement and anticipation among his team that he could perform a similar insurgent win in such states as Ohio and Illinois.
>But on an evening when the bight blue graphics on television screens showed several of the battles between him and Hillary Clinton to be be agonisingly close, he came away without a single victory. The closest, and perhaps most painful, was the last race to be called, when the former secretary of state secured the contest in Missouri by less than half a percentage point.
>While delegates in all of the Democratic contests are awarded on a proportional basis, Ms Clinton now has a haul of 1,599, of which 467 are so-called super delegates, party officials that are not obliged to vote for a particular candidate. Mr Sanders has 844, of which just 26 are super delegates.
>To reach the threshold of 2,383 delegates required to claim the nomination, Ms Clinton now needs to win just a third of those remaining. Mr Sanders would have to win at a level he has not managed since his heady days in New Hampshire in February.
>On Tuesday night, Mr Sanders did not talk about the terrible night he had suffered. Rather, speaking in Phoenix, Arizona, he continued to talk of the revolution he was trying to lead.
>“Don’t settle for the status quo when the status quo is broken,” he said, in a speech that lasted for around an hour.
Fight on Bernman! Cause, y'know, if Shrillary by some amazing turn of events is indicted we'll need someone to be the Pres heh
No.340873
>>340865
>if Shrillary by some amazing turn of events is indicted we'll need someone to be the Pres
>indicted
Indicted does not mean convicted. Indicted means charged. Once charged, you must have a trial. To go from indictment to trial can take a year or more; to go from trial to verdict, even longer.
The presumption of innocence unless guilt is proven is the cornerstone of our justice system. If Hillary is denied the nomination for any reason, there will be some very, very angry LWDS out there.
No.340888
Pledged delegates
Clinton: 1,132
Sanders: 818
Difference: 314
State of California: 548
All Bernie has to do is win 57% of Commiefornia and he's tied. That's how close it actually is.
The first states in the primaries are the South and Ohio Valley which have been DNC strongholds since LBJ. The party bosses are all DNC loyalists, which means this year they are Clinton loyalists. It's no coincidence those states voted first.
What's left is the West and Pacific Northwest and a bit of New England. Only about half the delegates have been allocated. Gee, I wonder why the MSM is trying furiously to declare the election over?
No.340891
Sanders isn't a candidate. He's a Clinton fundraiser.
He will raise more money. He will not spend it. He will lose. The money will go to Hillary's general election campaign fund, as per DNC rules.
No.340895
>>340891
>He will raise more money. He will not spend it. He will lose. The money will go to Hillary's general election campaign fund, as per DNC rules.
Sources now or get the fuck out, shill.
No.340897
>>340891
>The money will go to Hillary's general election campaign fund, as per DNC rules
No.340898
>>340888
>Sanders supporter
>can't into math
WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED?
If Sanders wins 57% of CA, Hillary gets the other 43%. That only gives Sanders 14% of the total (76.72 delegates) to contribute towards the gap.
Sanders would actually need to win 79% of CA to bridge the gap.
No.340901
>Bernie Sanders vows to continue draining Union money despite not having a chance of victory, so they can't use it to support the populist candidate that will be in the General, Donald J. Trump
Fixed that for you.
No.340902
>>340898
California isn't the only state left
No.340903
>>340902
The person I was responding to was saying Sanders could bridge the gap in CA alone.
Here's the quote from >>340888
>All Bernie has to do is win 57% of Commiefornia and he's tied. That's how close it actually is.
Try to keep up with the conversation.
No.340907
>>340901
So, did the Teamsters ever indicate when they would make an official statement of support yet or not anon? It's seriously looking like they may get behind The Don this time.
No.340909
>>340865
HEY OP
I cant find the nog in the pic. Bernie looks way to content holding her hand for there no to be a bull somewhere. Bring 'em outta here.
No.340912
>>340895
>>340897
My mistake: it's not a hard rule, just a convention that every Democrat in the last 70 years has followed, unless they're smooth operators like Clinton and used fake loans to make it look like they spent it all. He also has the option of giving the money to the US Treasury Department (read: burning it).
opensecrets.org has a summary of his campaign spending that suggests large cash reserves, which would support my theory, but I'm willing to accept that they're just out of date.
No.340924
>>340909
Sorry bro, I don't know. I just jacked the pic from the article. Looks like they are in a church of some kind… That's not his waifu is it anon?
No.340955
>>340912
>It's a rule!
>Well OK, it's not a rule, but it's probably going to happen anyway!
Nice try, Hans.
>He also has the option of giving the money to the US Treasury Department (read: burning it).
Or returning it to the donors, or allowing it to sit in his campaign fund indefinitely. Do you know nothing at all of campaign finance?
>opensecrets.org
That's a no, then.
>opensecrets.org has a summary of his campaign spending that suggests large cash reserves, which would support my theory, but I'm willing to accept that they're just out of date.
And wrong. You have to accept that opensecrets.org is wrong, they are full of shit to such a degree that they could put a fertilizer plant out of business.
For Sanders:
>TOTAL RECEIPTS $96,311,423
>TOTAL DISBURSEMENTS $81,649,471
>Ending Cash On Hand $14,661,951
Clyntyn:
>TOTAL RECEIPTS $130,443,636
>TOTAL DISBURSEMENTS $97,505,073
>Ending Cash On Hand $32,938,563
For those of you who cannot into math, Myss Clyntyn has $18,276,612 more than Sanders. The gap is so large that Sanders could double the amount of money he has on hand and Clyntyn would still have millions more than him. If you're looking at percentages, Sanders has 15% of his total donations to date on hand; Myss Clyntyn has 25%. #SmashPatriarchy #EndThePayGap #NoCeilings
No.340959
>>340873
Fair enough. But surely that would be one for the books if it went down that way ehh.
>also
>You never did explain to us what you mean by is anon
No.340967
>>340955
Friendly reminder that Rach is a persona of a Candian Jew ex-mod from 4chon called Learningcode. He also goes by Rosemary and DownWithPatriarchy. He is responsible for the death of 4chon, fucking up Wizardchan, and is part of the concentrated effort to fuck up 8chan. Giving this kike any attention is a mistake.
We will always be here, Rach :)
No.340975
>>340967
Thanks for the info anon. I think I've seen him on /b/ as well. I just thought it was an automated spambot.
>Candian Jew ex-mod from 4chon
Heh why didn't he run for President?
No.340976
>>340967
Friendly reminder you're a dumber-than-shit faggot that gives Rach attention.
No.340978
No.340985
>>340981
Haha, I heard about the bark this morning.
>What could possibly go wrong?
>
Also, can some kind soul WEBM this please?
No.340991
>>340985
Scandanavia is so fucking lucky the Finngolians stand between them and Russia.
No.340997
>>340865
>Sandkike vows to continue to fraudulently steal donated campaign money from supporters for personal use.
We know.
No.341001
>>340888
Math isn't your strong suit is it?
No.341002
>>340912
He's a kike. That isn't the campaign's money, that's HIS money.
No.341005
No.341060
>>340978
>Get BTFO by facts
>Have no argument
>omgomgomg, uhhhh ummm uhhhh…y-y-you mad, s-stupid gyrl??
No.341075
>>340873
>The presumption of innocence unless guilt is proven is the cornerstone of our justice system.
No.341078
Bernie should stay in as Hillary seems near death with those coughing fits. Probably has cancer or AIDS.
No.341083
>>341078
She does seem a little tired though?
No.341088
Just donate more of your money, Bernouts! He will surely win :^)
No.341089
>>340981
I wouldn't put too much faith in Trump's diplomatic skills or his tough guy attempts, considering how easily triggered he is. He's got a bigger vagina than Shillary going by how many times he's made empty threats to people and his knack of resorting to petty gossip and mudslinging. At the very least, Hillary is a cold-blooded calculating cunt.
No.341091
>>341075
>Implying Bill Cosby didn't rape anyone
You lost me.
No.341092
>>340985
>hurr look how tough he looks
You're telling me some 5'4 fat manlet is somehow a more competent defense minister just because he's a guy?
Those bitches are literally bigger than him, so your superficial shit meme doesn't hold up.
No.341107
Has anyone ever wonder why bernie sanders is the best that would go against Hillary?
Hillary has all the superdelegates because she has been strong-arming and racketeering every democrat in Washington, no one other than Bernie, an insane ideologue independent was foolish enough to go up against her. Hillary was not going to get Obama-ed again, yet despite having none of the charisma of Obama, being an old, grumpy shriveled jew, he has at least manage to disturb her. That and how low democrat primary turn out has been, it is clear Hillary is a horrible candidate, propped up by bullying and cronyism.
No.341132
No.341140
>>340907
I'd be okay with Teamsters. They are the only Union I can stand and actually do their work (they protect their bad apples but meh, what union doesn't)
>>340865
Keep in mind, obama met with Bernie and Bernie stated that obama and the dems were not helping shillary win.
I think Obama is gonna drop the hammer on her with the FBI. He doesn't like the clintons.
What I'm hoping is the FBI is gonna go after all other corrupt fucks, this is going to be a spider web of corruption the likes we never have seen when the FBI dropps the hammer.
>I think that is why Bernie is waiting it out….
No.341158
>>341140
>trump looks like a good option
No.341186
>>341091
that is one feminine man
No.341195
>>341089
>going by how many times he's made empty threats to people and his knack of resorting to petty gossip and mudslinging
That's what most liberal politicians do. Really most all politicians do this to some extent. They've just been hating how Trump does it because his criticisms have been made towards the establishment and its primary candidates.
No.341198
>>341107
Hillary also had the super delegates back in 2008.
When the convention came, they did what super delegates normally do which is switch to the most popular candidate.
That they're reporting them as being hers already is mostly a PR move. They want to make Hillary seem inevitable because she is the media's favored candidate. Which is why rather than report how the two of them have almost the same number of delegates, they instead include the super delegates to throw things off.
No.341202
Its funny. Eugene V. Debbs tried the same thing, this shit is nothing new. He never won, and now we only hear the fucker in some history books on the early 1900s, or some history class. Bernie is no different. Both thought they were bringing a new revolution and for Debbs, it did nothing and everyone forgot about him. Bernie's "hard work" and ""revolution"" will crumble away into history the second he is forced to admit Hillary beat him. It is funny however to see these people think otherwise.
No.341248
>>341092
Sure am. Men are cut out to deal with the harshness of war, women aren't.
All sane nations know that as well.
No.341253
>>341140
>Teamsters
Haven't heard much more about it lately though beyond a fair amount of individual union members are openly supporting Trump.
>Bernie
I know if I were him, I don't believe I'd quit either before the convention.
No.341258
>>341107
Trump will steamroll her following the Conventions this Summer. Shillary is going to be able to go toe-to-toe in debates with this highly successful and brilliant man who is literally handing the GOP their walking papers using it's own techniques?
>pls
No.341271
>>341258
People seem to be very optimistic about Bernie and Hillary doing well against Trump, which boggles my mind as it shows just how ignorant they are about how Trump has done so far.
Rubio only seemed to really get hit hard by Trump because Rubio decided to go on the offensive so hard, whereas Cruz was repeating Trump's talking points. Now it's a race between those two, so it seems clear Trump is going to be demolishing Cruz for a lot of his behavior. And he does this all so expertly it's insane.
Bernie and Hillary neither seem accustomed to handling any criticism whatsoever. Hillary seems to wilt just over questions about emails and Bernie can't deal with with requests to explain how he'd do anything.
No.341290
>>340895
This is the only kinda interesting picture you've ever posted of that boondagger.
No.341299
>>341271
>People seem to be very optimistic about Bernie and Hillary doing well against Trump, which boggles my mind as it shows just how ignorant they are about how Trump has done so far.
Trump has done well in part by being in a very large GOP field with people who were also vying for attention and time during debates. Trump's big problem is that he doesn't actually have any workable policy proposals, and when he's expected to answer questions for an hour in a one-on-one debate with Clinton, he's going to get his shitter destroyed.
I mean, look, we all enjoy The Wall stuff. It's funny and it's good for memes. You have to go back, Trump flinging people over the wall, feels hombre looking sadly through the fence at Pepe Trump. But there's going to be no giant wall, and even if we were to beef up security at the border, Mexico's not going to pay for it.
It's a shame, because while I don't think Trump would be a good president, he does have some good ideas. Giving up on the idea of getting rid of Assad and teaming up with Russia to fight ISIS, for example. I think Trump would be willing to buck some of the orthodoxies that establishment Democrats and Republicans largely agree on.
But Trump has benefited greatly from the general buffoonery on the Republican side. He's managed not to look that bad on a debate stage next to hatchet-faced Fiorina, Xanax Nigger, Deer-in-Headlights ¡Jeb!, and Christie the Hutt. When he's on a debate stage with an experienced insider politician with debate skills, and he's not able to play to a crowd full of Republicans, and the attention will be on him and his answers for half of a long debate, he's not going to do so well.
Every poll I've seen has Hillary winning the popular vote by a comfortable margin against Trump and winning the Electoral College vote by an even larger margin.
No.341311
>>341299
>chkd
Guess we'll all find out this Fall eh Friend?
No.341324
>>341317
Look up "that depends on what you mean by is "
No.341407
>>341089
Yeah fuck the guy who wants to make OUR country better, let's elect a Goblin from Oblivion that wants to start World War 3 as soon as she gets into office
No.341415
Waaaah. Bernie may not get a major party nomination.
Welcome to the real world. Ask Jill Stein and Gary Johnson and the 200 other candidates how it feels. Ask Trump in June when HE doesn't get the party nod.
No.341417
There are US citizens right now who believe that there can only be two candidates for president.
No, really.
We get what we deserve.
No.341418
>>341415
>Ask Trump in June when HE doesn't get the party nod.
Heh. We'll see little friend.
No.341420
>>341417
One thing's for sure, if the GOP shit on the American people and dump on Trump successfully, the Libertarian Party will be a big player for the rest of forever. The GOP will never recover from it.
No.341421
>>341299
>Every poll I've seen has Hillary winning the popular vote by a comfortable margin against Trump and winning the Electoral College vote by an even larger margin.
A bunch of people who have never watched anything but the media's libel aren't going to like Trump. Big shock.
He's going to clean up once he actually gets in front of them.
No.341423
>>341299
>Every poll I've seen has Hillary winning the popular vote by a comfortable margin against Trump and winning the Electoral College vote by an even larger margin.
The same polls that said that Hillary would win Michigan by 20%, for her to end up losing by 2%? Those polls?
No.341427
>>341421
>He's going to clean up once he actually gets in front of them.
This. Trump will simply laugh at Hillary's increasingly loud screeching when the time comes.
The choice will become as black and white for the American people as has been in living memory. Possibly ever.
No.341965
>>340873
But does the party have to go by those laws?
Can the party say you have an open court case with felony charges, you're no longer a valid candidate as we had previously had you sign a document stating that you had no prior convictions and no open court cases, and in the case of … blah blah blah.
This is at least how I imagine it would go down.
No.341973
>>341089
Fuck off, Learningcode
No.341981
>>340912
>just a convention that every Democrat in the last 70 years has followed
Except Bernie's always been Independent. The longest serving Independent office-holder in US history. He only recently chose to run on the Dem ticket since it would give him the best chance to run & be taken seriously by the masses.
No.341999
>>340865
>Anti-Sanders propaganda shitposter
We see enough of it in the mainstream media, don't bring that shit here.
This is not /n/ews.
No.342030
STEP AWAY FROM THE CLIFF REDDIT, STEP AWAY FROM THE CLIFF
No.342045
>>340873
>lwds
Spat my drink all over the screen, cheers for the laugh.
No.342050
>>341299
>every poll i've seen shows the corporate candidate winning by a considerable margin
I wonder why? Who organised those polls by the way?
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No.342059
Most Bernie supporters are teenagers who have no idea how the world works. That's why, despite seemingly being the most favored candidate online, he is losing the race. Most of his supporters aren't old enough to vote yet.
Though he'd still be better than Shillary. I'd rather have a third term of Obama than Shillary.
No.342060
>>342053
>Sanders beating Trump
>polling data source NBC,CNN
So you are saying I'm correct then?
No.342061
>>342053
Also
>Sanders beating Clinton in the first place
The candidates from the two parties will be Trump and Clinton.
No.342062
>>342060
>NBC & CNN
Those are Shillary outlets, anon. If anything, they want Sanders to lose & show Trump winning, to amp up their retarded Shillary base.
>>342061
He most likely will. He's been up against her full media machine & foreign money backing her. He's kicking ass & taking names. The more airtime he gets, the more voters he picks up. They hate airing him, and he's forcing them to. Just wait, anon. Things are just heating up.
No.342065
>>342059
>Most Bernie supporters are teenagers who have no idea how the world works.
Not most, but a good amount. They're useful idiots for us, so I'll take it.
>Most of his supporters aren't old enough to vote yet.
Not true. The older voters come out more, and Hillary has those. But we have some very progressive states coming up in the Primary, so it's heating up, now. Shit's going to get very interesting, very quickly.
>Though he'd still be better than Shillary. I'd rather have a third term of Obama than Shillary.
Completely agree.
No.342137
proving once again that /pol/ is as dumb as the media
No.342155
>>342137
>implying spics and blacks will vote for him, cmon now
No.342157
>>342137
>media
>Trump supporters
Both lazy fucks
I'm stealing that image. It's great.
>Brace for /pol/ image sperg out in 3..2..
>>342155
>Doesn't know Cali is the most progressive state
I can only imagine the coverage he's getting there atm, too.
No.342158
>>342157
Just because your progressive doesnt change that niggers or spic wont vote for him. If so then he would of had Florida.
No.342162
>>342137
>This is what Bernie cucks actually believe.
>>342157
Are you forgetting about the entire part of the state that can't afford your $3000 a month rent? You know where the poor people live?
No.342163
>>342158
Lmao. You really don't know the difference between Florida & California voters? It couldn't be more night & day.
No.342164
>>342157
>>342137
/leftypol/, let me explain to you why sanders won't win.
There are 7 states he's guaranteed to lose that he's "polling" well in.
The reason he will lose those states is because of the nonwhite vote in those states is not factored in, the nonwhite vote never shows up in pollimg because they don't fill out polls for the most part, only dumb white people with to much time on their hands do that.
Your boy is riding on the white liberals, just like hillary, and he's scaring a lot of the middle class soccer mom liberals away with his socialist revolution nonsense, he's doing himself in.
No.342165
>>342157
Wow, that's pretty hot. Is that really Ivanka?
No.342168
>>342162
>Being this stupid
How do you function in day to day life? It must be hard for you.
>>342164
>Your boy is riding on the white liberals, just like hillary, and he's scaring a lot of the middle class soccer mom liberals away with his socialist revolution nonsense, he's doing himself in.
Fucking read up on politics. Hillary has old people. Bernie has everyone else. Check out the demographics he wins consistently.
>Trump supporters
They can't be helped. Worst part is, they don't want help, either. Enjoy your circlejerks & not getting any pussy in the meantime. The most you can hope for is a pity fuck, being such tards.
No.342171
>>342164
Those run on sentences are Hell on the brain. Learn to full stop, faggot.
No.342172
>>342163
Lets go back in time for a bit to a comparable election.
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/CA.html
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/vote-polls/CA.html
>Mrs. Clinton won the hard-fought Democratic race in California, where both she and Mr. Obama had sought the state's wealth of 370 delegates to be chosen on Tuesday. According to early returns, Mrs. Clinton had strong showings in Los Angeles, Santa Clara and San Diego. Early exit polls showed Mr. Obama running strongly among African-Americans, white men, younger voters and liberals. Mrs. Clinton did well among Hispanics, white women, moderates and those who described themselves as "somewhat conservative." Those who identified themselves as Democrats tended to choose Mrs. Clinton; "independents or something else" overwhelmingly voted for Mr. Obama. A majority of Californians who were surveyed said they made up their minds in the last month. The economy was ranked most often as the top issue facing the nation, followed by the war in Iraq and health care. There were signs that both Democratic camps were growing polarized; only half of the voters said they would be satisfied if either candidate became the nominee.
Also Bernie sure as shit isn't going to win those black voters.
No.342186
>>342172
>Comparing older elections because you've got nothing to address the current situation with
You're just proving our point, anon.
>Mrs. Clinton did well among Hispanics, white women, moderates and those who described themselves as "somewhat conservative."
Bernie isn't a bit conservative.
>"independents or something else" overwhelmingly voted for Mr. Obama.
Lmao. You do know Bernie is the longest serving Independent candidate in US history, right?
>The economy was ranked most often as the top issue facing the nation, followed by the war in Iraq and health care.
Looks like Bernie will have it in the bag
Actually, thanks, anon. You're helping me out. :^)
No.342188
>>341999
>Trips checked
My bad anon. I figured it was a good thing that he wasn't throwing in the towel. No offense intended tbh fam.
No.342193
>>342172
>>342186
I'm going to show you a recent poll and now tell you why you are retarded.
http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2522.pdf
For comparison this poll was done on January 6th so its a bit outdated but lets see if we can find some trends in it to the 2008 numbers. Maybe something simple enough for you to wrap your head around.
Hmmmm she seems to be doing really well with Latino's again.
She has registered democrats on lock compared to Sanders.
She is winning the women vote by a large margin.
She has blacks on lock as well.
Just because your dumb ass lives in a rich area with all your progressive friends does not mean CA is the most progressive place on earth. It's a solid democratic state for sure and there are a few progressive hellholes but as a whole CA is a moderate state once you leave the rich parts of town.
Now here is why you are retarded. Obama lost CA 51% to 43% Clinton won you dumbshit
No.342194
>>342193
Double post for images because I know you are to lazy to click a link
No.342203
>>342193
Polls predicted a wipe out by Clinton in Michigan, anon. We all see how that went for her. This article & poll is also before the Michigan historic upset.
>Just because your dumb ass lives in a rich area with all your progressive friends does not mean CA is the most progressive place on earth.
Wtf are you even talking about? Generalizing so much is extremely lazy.
From your own link:
"Very large majorities of Democratic primary voters – about three in four – have a favorable opinion of both Clinton and Sanders. In addition, when all registered voters statewide, not just likely voters in the Democratic primary, are asked their opinions of the two leading Democrats, each is viewed more positively than negatively, although slightly more voters statewide hold an unfavorable opinion of Clinton than Sanders. "
"Sanders leads Clinton among likely voters under age 40 and voters registered as
no party preference who say they will be voting in the state's Democratic presidential primary."
"However, the poll finds that Sanders is viewed more favorably by Democratic primary voters who are currently backing Clinton than the former First Lady is among voters currently supporting Sanders."
"However, a somewhat larger proportion of voters statewide has a
negative view of Clinton (44%) than Sanders (31%)."
Again, thanks for the sources, anon.
No.342221
>ITT sheeple blue-pilled as fuck
In case you haven't gotten the memo yet;
Polls are lying, manipulative contrivances
The Fat Lady's singing is the only truthful measure, and then only if you know the process was honest.
No.342222
>>342203
>Michigan upset
A historic anomaly is just that.
>1-800-273-TALK
You'll need this when Bernie endorses Hillary. I hope you write it down and keep it with you.
No.342232
>>342222
truth
also checked
No.342234
>>342221
You're right. I use entrails of sacrificed bulls to give me the meaning of elections before they happen. Sometimes bird signs but those are much less reliable.
No.342630
>>342234
Ehh, sounds better than sucking on the MSM's cock friend.
No.345609
Shillary needs someone to keep her company heh.
No.345698
Won't Bernie continuing to run only reduce the money the Dems have left?
No.345699
>>340865
Bernie and Trump should run as 3rd and 4th parties to make the election as much as a clusterfuck as possible.
No.345703
Friendly reminder that Trump supporters should help out Sanders and refocus their complaints towards Clinton instead of trump. Keeping the Democrats divided and focused on each other allows Trump to build up steam while only being fettered by what's left of the Rubio campaign.
No.345710
>>345703
If I actually understood you're point correctly, I'd personally LOVE Sanders winning the Democratic nomination. Some real debate might ensue instead.
No.345723
>>345699
The brilliant thing is both candidates would actually have a chance, and this would move us away from our 2 party establishment system.
No.345762
>>345723
Interesting. But so far the numbers have Hillary and Trump way ahead of the competition. I'm not sure I understand how this approach will help Sanders?
No.345775
>>345762
The numbers which tout Hillary are mostly flawed, or fabrications. Her favorability continues to go down, while Sanders' continues to go up. Whenever the mainstream media show Hillary's numbers, they include super delegates, which is underhanded & just wrong. The super delegates can change at any time. By delegate count, she's only about 300 ahead. The Primary is only half way over & California, worth 546 delegate hasn't even cast their vote yet. It's likely to favor Sanders as well. Also, if you were to allocate the super delegates to Sanders in they way they're showing Hillary, he'd be winning, right now. They usually end up changing due to popular vote.
Also, Sanders beats Trump consistently in general election match-up polling: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html
Sanders is the best chance the Dems have against Trump. So if the DNC or RNC steal nominations from either candidate & they then run on separate tickets, Hillary is viewed so unfavorably that they have a chance in having a good run. The conventions are going to be incredibly interesting..
I'm Bernie or bust, personally. And there are many who feel the same.
No.345801
>>345775
>I'm Bernie or bust
If you seriously believe that anyone but Trump will become president, you're kidding yourself and I'm not even a Trump supporter. The masses want bread and circuses and Trump is it.
No.345803
>>345775
>they include super delegates, which is underhanded & just wrong.
It sure is. The whole Democrat Party system is intentionally skewed. Not only does it hurt someone like Bernie, but it also hurts Trump as well.
No.345806
>>345710
Really, Trump supporters should want Sanders to win the Democrats' nomination. Between Sanders and Clinton, Sanders is closer towards Trump's ideas.
No.345813
>>345806
Agreed. Shillary is the establishment evil. Trump and Sanders are the outsiders, and if anything the American public is saying right now, is that we hate business as usual. I never did like it tbh
No.345814
>>345803
Democrats really screw their party over with their election structure. Republicans just screw over everyone else with gerrymandering.
No.345815
>>345813
How in the fuckiest of fucks is the longest sitting congressman and a fucking billionaire "outsiders." Stop pretending like you can become president without having a finger in every pie and being the eternal underdog and maverick.
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No.345834
>>342157
Califag here, its probably about equal. Most of the highschoolers and below support bernie, with some older folks around, and then there is the hillary supporter. I have seen an equal amount of bernie and hillary stickers, though that number is about 5 each. There will not be much coverage that you speak of until it gets close to the time to vote. Otherwise it is pretty quiet.
No.345843
>>345801
>If you seriously believe that anyone but Trump will become president, you're kidding yourself and I'm not even a Trump supporter. The masses want bread and circuses and Trump is it.
Because the polls reflect that sentiment, right? Here, have another: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html
>>345834
Thanks for the info, Califag. From all I've seen with Hollywood & grassroots efforts, they seem to be backing Bernie pretty hard. I'm a middle American, so I don't know how it is, in the flesh there.
No.345844
>>345803
Agreed. Grab some popcorn for the conventions.
No.345906
>>345844
Heh, yea I plan to. Moreso than before for sure.
No.345919
>>345834
Second Califag reporting here.
Despite the overwhelming Bernie/Hillary shit, there are enclaves of Trump supporters Have also seen the odd "Hillary for Prison" t shirts here and there. Best we can do is discredit the former 2 rather than boast for the latter, as the selective hearing is strong here.
No.345938
i've spoken to a few of cruz's supporters and i asked them who would they vote for if cruz dropped out of the race. their final point-blank answer was that they wouldn't vote. tells me what your average republican thinks of trump.
No.346010
>>345919
>as the selective hearing is strong here.
kekd
>>345990
jej
No.346039
>>340873
>leftys steal more right memes
Not surprised
No.346075
>>345703
I don't give a shit if Sanders or Clinton wins. It's just a decision between which porkchop gets thrown into Trump's maw during the general.
No.346085
>>346075
This. Though at least with Bernie the debates would be far more interesting. Hillary's plan will mostly consist of shrill screeching of 'racist!' and 'sexist!'. At least with Bernie, some real topics and discussion might ensue.
No.346114
>>346106
I'll never understand /pol/'s obsession with big black cocks.
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No.346120
Bernie and Trump are the good guys in this election. The establishment hates them both. I prefer Trump, but even Bernie's socialism is better than this "democracy is for the corporations" bullshit.
Let's focus on the real enemy. Hillary.
No.346126
>>346120
>Establishment hates them both
>Bernie's supporters literally burning buildings, assaulting people and threatening to rape women and the media blames the victims
Instead of being a bitch here, back to Reddit with you.
No.346128
>>346126
What's your point? A lot of Bernie supporters are fags, but their extremism reflects the growing unrest and dissatisfaction with the political establishment in the US.
I'm voting for Trump. I am strongly against socialism, it props up the weak and the expense of the strong. Slows down human advancement. Fuck that. But I'm more against corporate hegemony forming an immobile caste system where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Which is what we have now, and will continue to have until something big happens.
No.346133
>>346128
*at the expense of the strong
No.346134
>>346128
Bernie is the fucking SJW status quo, instead of just fucking over corporations he's going to fuck us all equally while inefficiently allocating resources to arbitrary bullshit like diversity quotas. George Soros isn't sending paramilitary groups to Bernie rallies to attack, rape, shoot at, burn people now is he? And that's kind of a shit load of fucking people involved to be a false flag.
No.346136
>>346128
>it props up the weak and the expense of the strong
>Slows down human advancement
muh capitalism, bruh
>>346134
>Bernie is the fucking SJW status quo, instead of just fucking over corporations he's going to fuck us all equally while inefficiently allocating resources to arbitrary bullshit like diversity quotas. George Soros isn't sending paramilitary groups to Bernie rallies to attack, rape, shoot at, burn people now is he? And that's kind of a shit load of fucking people involved to be a false flag.
muh propaganda, bro
Jeebus Gris, anon
No.346137
>>346134
I get about half of what you're trying to say there.
Anyway man, I don't support Bernie. I like some of his stances, like being against the NSA. That's a big one. But mostly I like that he's from outside the system. You're right though in that he holds many anti-white stances.
But unless something happens to Trump, he's my man. The elite are doing everything in their power to keep him from it. He's not my perfect candidate, in fact I have some major issues with him, but until we see voting reform in the US he's our best shot.
No.346138
>>346136
>muh capitalism
Yep. You have a better argument than that? People don't work their asses off unless they enjoy the fruits of their labor.
>muh propaganda
Damn, you're a prime example of what's wrong with your sort.
It's 2016 man! C'mon!
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No.346147
>>346136
I see posts like this and I think, is this for real? Is this what leftists are like? Maybe this is some false-flag attempt to make leftists look dumb.
But then I realize that no, this guy is for real. And that's a bummer.
No.346150
>>346128
>But I'm more against corporate hegemony forming an immobile caste system where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Which is what we have now, and will continue to have until something big happens.
Voting for the Trump empire is definitely not the way to get change. It's the status quo, of plutocracy. And socialism does not take your hard earned money away. It simply uses your tax dollars more wisely, to benefit you more. Roads, infrastructure, police, education & healthcare. Where taxes should be going, anyway.
>>346137
>You're right though in that he holds many anti-white stances.
That's utterly untrue. Though he panders to BLM sometimes, he continually stresses that the only color that matters is green.
>>346138
>People don't work their asses off unless they enjoy the fruits of their labor.
That's totally why hard working Americans aren't upset with the status quo. They get to keep all their money, and it pays for a decent life!
>It's 2016 man! C'mon!
You'll never hear me say something so retarded.
No.346152
>>346147
Either get educated or go fuck yourself. I'm tired of hearing propaganda that's just retarded when it comes to the best candidate there is.
No.346154
>career politician
>changing the status quo
People still believe this?
No.346155
>>346147
>>346152
And this is me >>346150 before you say I just insult without argument.
No.346159
>>346154
Look at that career, anon. It's a career of serving the citizens, legitimately, and he's also the longest serving Independent candidate in our history.
Do you even know his history? Look for yourself, instead of listening to others & media outlets.
No.346160
Listen to the man, himself. He's been saying the same things for 30 years now, at least.
No.346162
>>346150
Bernie has gone on record saying whites don't know what it is to be really poor.
As a white who grew up really fucking poor, often homeless and hungry, that shit pisses me off. So many people act like only non-whites can ever understand poverty. Fuck everything about that.
No.346165
>>346162
You completely disregarded the man himself, addressing that quote, you don't want to listen, fine.
>As a white who grew up really fucking poor, often homeless and hungry, that shit pisses me off. So many people act like only non-whites can ever understand poverty. Fuck everything about that.
I grew up poor & white, too. And I recognize this man is our only hope in this election to change this for the better, if even just a little.
The only color that matters is green, anon.
No.346167
>>346162
Or did you just not even bother clicking? Give him a chance, anon.
No.346168
>>346150
America isn't capitalist. It's corporatist.
No.346169
>>346168
The capitalism led to corporatism. They're basically one in the same, now.
No.346171
>>346160
At 1:10 he predicts Obama, lol. Wall Street invested heavily.
No.346172
>>346169
What shit.
Corporatism is a corrupted version of capitalism. Only possible with an authoritarian state that cares little for the opinions of its people, where money is far more important than votes. Don't pretend they're the same thing.
Capitalism filters the best to the top. Corporatism keeps the rich at the top, regardless of merit.
No.346173
>>346159
You do realize the status quo is what gives him his paycheck right?
He's Obama part 2 communist edition. False promises, shitting openly on the working class and yet another candidate who puts the people of other nations in front of his own. He's un-american in every sense of the word. Enjoy the hope and change that never came, nor ever will.
No.346174
>>346172
>Don't pretend they're the same thing.
I said they were basically one in the same, now. If you can't read that it was half serious, go fuck yourself, you pretentious asshole.
No.346176
>>346174
>I said they were basically one in the same, now.
Except they're not. Capitalism is dead in America in all but name. Fuck off.
No.346177
>>346173
So do Senators not deserve to get paid?
No.346178
>>346173
>You do realize the status quo is what gives him his paycheck right?
Who, the tax payers?
>He's Obama part 2 communist edition.
Obama was only like him in rhetoric & not delivering. Sanders is not a communist.
>shitting openly on the working class and yet another candidate who puts the people of other nations in front of his own.
That's an incredible claim, anon. Bernie's record does not reflect this, whatsoever.
>He's un-american in every sense of the word.
He's just not pro-unfettered captialism.
>Enjoy the hope and change that never came, nor ever will.
Oh yeah, and Trump will definitely turn shit into gold.
No.346179
>>346176
>Corporatism is a corrupted version of capitalism
You said it yourself, you twat. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
No.346181
>>346179
Capitalism is corrupted by authoritarianism. It allows for anti-competitive regulation and corporate lobbying. Small government and capitalism is ideal.
No.346185
>>346181
So, apparently we live in an authoritarian society? How else did we switch from capitalism?
And authoritarian governments corrupt every political ideology. Which is why socialism cannot be under it, either.
No.346186
>>346185
The US today is pretty damn authoritarian, anon.
And socialism can only exist under an authoritarian government. Without a strong government, there's nobody to force everyone into giving up most of their income to tax and redistributing it as that government sees fit.
With authoritarianism comes corruption. As it has throughout history.
No.346190
>>346179
The egg came first. Evolution proves adaptability of species would mean that a new species could come from a progenitor animal.
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>>346186
>The US today is pretty damn authoritarian, anon.
I know, after I wrote that I realized how silly it was.
>And socialism can only exist under an authoritarian government. Without a strong government, there's nobody to force everyone into giving up most of their income to tax and redistributing it as that government sees fit.
Hmm, interesting. But under an authoritarian government, couldn't it easily turn communist? We need a Democracy or some other structure for checks & balances.
Though money always corrupts.. So it seems society might always be doomed to a cycle. Of revolution & reform. Makes me kind of lose hope sometimes.
>>346190
NO, blasphemer. God did it. End of story.
No.346197
>>346193
The real question is what came first: God or man?
No.346206
>>346193
There's no need to lose hope at an understanding of a revolution and reform cycle, any more than you'd lose hope looking at the life and death cycle. Without it, life would be stagnant and arguably lifeless.
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>>346178
>Who, the tax payers?
yes the taxpayers who are already taxed too highly, who he wants to increase taxes upon. and not those illegals he wants in so badly. funny how in 2007 he said they shouldn't be here but now lets abolish the border.
>Obama was only like him in rhetoric & not delivering. Sanders is not a communist.
>implying sanders, like every other career politician thus far will deliver. kindly pull your head out of your ass. also how is not redistributing wealth not communist?
>That's an incredible claim, anon. Bernie's record does not reflect this, whatsoever.
he's on record playing identity politics with the "whites don't know what it's like to be poor" bullshit. he also flipped hard on immigration which is only making the country worse.
>He's just not pro-unfettered captialism.
that's part of the problem. socialism is a cancer which inevitably leads to communism.
>Oh yeah, and Trump will definitely turn shit into gold.
Unlike bernie, trump gives a shit about the working class. so yes, I trust trump to turn the establishment on it's head, not bern or hillary who have been apart of an overly corrupt status quo.
No.346341
>>346150
Income inequality !== poverty, Bernie
Strike one.
No.346401
He's known he's not going to win for quite a while now. All he is doing at this point is basking in the spotlight for what is basically a lifetime achievement award, with tons of youths all over the country stroking his ego.
In other words he has gone from an obscure politician to a rock star, and at his age I can't really blame him.
No.346411
>>340888
Delegate count doesn't actually mean shit. Don't people remember when they switched from Hillary to Obama?
No.346471
>>340873
>LWDS
Leftists can't make anything of their own, so they must steal.
No.346485
>>346411
You're thinking of unpledged/super delegates. They jumped ship to Obama once it was obvious he would win with the pledged delegates. Pledged delegates have to vote with based on the outcome of each state's primary/caucus. The margin with super delegates included is:
Clinton:1630
Bernie: 870
Bernie is fucked, regardless of what >>340888, >>340902 say. There are 2,265 delegates left and a candidate needs 2,383 to win. If Bernie wins 57% in not just California, but every upcoming state, he will get have a pledged delegate total of 2,135 to Hillary's 2,137. Nationally, Hillary is still polling ~8% above Bernie. Her poll numbers will likely continue to go down, but she still has a solid period of time before the margin has her 14 points down (assuming the trend of Hillary-down, Bernie-up continues forever).
This isn't like 2008 where both candidates are party establishment stooges and non-threatening to the DNC base. Bernie is actively campaigning to remove all the shit that the DNC establishment is fully entrenched in and I'm not convinced that they would side with him just to placate their voter base, especially if he can't even claim a majority of pledged delegates.
No.346782
>>346207
>yes the taxpayers who are already taxed too highly, who he wants to increase taxes upon. and not those illegals he wants in so badly. funny how in 2007 he said they shouldn't be here but now lets abolish the border.
Lol, nice damage control m8. And who said to abolish the border?
>also how is not redistributing wealth not communist?
Really? When it's the same type of taxing we've had in the US since we formed.
>he's on record playing identity politics with the "whites don't know what it's like to be poor" bullshit.
Even still, despite seeing him clarify that statement & shut a black lady down who was trying to play weak idpol, you say this. You're not even making any effort to understand. Because we can't take away the one thing you cling to, to dislike him. His entire platform is based on income inequality - which affects everyone.
>he also flipped hard on immigration which is only making the country worse.
How so? And we have a lot bigger issues than immigration, anon. If you're mad at immigrants for "taking your job", you either:
A. Hold the companies who consistently hire immigrant labor accountable, since they're the ones giving the incentive(they wouldn't come here to work if these companies stopped hiring them).
B. Get a degree where you're not competing with an uneducated workforce.
C. Look harder for a job.
D. Fight for amnesty so these immigrants can come out of the shadows & contribute their share of taxes which aren't being returned to the state.
>not pro-unfettered capitalism
>that's part of the problem. socialism is a cancer which inevitably leads to communism.
No, it's not. There are countless Western societies, including our own, who have social programs & are in no danger of turning communist.
>Unlike bernie, trump gives a shit about the working class.
Omg, you're serious. Trump is a plutocrat. He gives no shits about you or the working class. Maybe he should stop outsourcing labor from Meixco, China if he cares so much about American workers. Get outta here.
>so yes, I trust trump to turn the establishment on it's head, not bern or hillary who have been apart of an overly corrupt status quo.
Trump is the establishment. He's the corporate fuck who steals jobs from America while blaming China & Mexico, though he has no problem using their cheap labor. Hillary is corrupt. Bernie has been working within the system for 30 years, fighting for the people. Look at his record, you tard. But just as you refuse to looking into other things, I highly doubt you will.
No.346785
>>346341
The fuck does that even mean?
>>346401
Keep thinking that, while he steals the nom from Hillary. As a poll from last night showed on CNN, he's 20 points ahead in beating Trump. Not to mention countless other polls.
No.346788
Take a moment to realize that you are the exact same as all the normalfags who are completely in denial about Bernie's eventual loss.
No.346834
>>346788
>Bernie's eventual loss.
i think you're over-estimating trump's popularity among the general public. bernie would stomp trump if the general election were today
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No.346864
>>346160
>says it isn't about race but class
>all countries mentioned that are worthy following were overwhelmingly White
m8…
No.346879
>>346485
This, and NYT is predicting that Sen. Sanders needs to win about 75%+ of the remaining delegates to take the nomination.
He had a good run, but if Sen. Sanders's supporters still want to be anti-oligarchy, they can either vote for Mr. Trump or not vote.
No.346920
>>346879
NYT is complete garbage. Anyway, super delegates can always change & Sanders has a hell of a following. Hillary Clinton's favorability rating keeps plummeting while Sanders' rises. He was shown on CNN of all places, who practically hates him, as having a 20 point lead against Trump. Hillary's was only like 10-12 iirc.
Countless polls shows Sanders doing great among the public. And if the DNC doesn't want a debacle on its hands like the RNC looks like it will, they'll go with the voters.
Our Primary is only half over, btw. And I'm personally Bernie or bust.I'll write him in. But I don't think it will come to that.
No.346923
>>346864
Well, we are a Western society. Makes sense we'd have similar views to them.
No.347156
>>346879
>or not vote.
Fine if that's what conscience dictates–but how will that be anti-oligarchy?
If you want to stop Shrillary, then vote for Donald Trump in the general election.
No.347221
Aren't there primaries going on today? How likely is it that Bernie will do well in them?