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File: a50c0ede70f1744⋯.jpg (51.93 KB, 474x474, 1:1, chump - Copy.jpg)

 No.736812

"Imagine you drive a van for SuperShuttle. You take passengers from their homes and hotels to the airport and back. The shifts are long and the pay isn’t great, but hey, it’s a job.

One day, the company tells you the deal has changed. Your job will stay almost exactly the same: You’ll drive a SuperShuttle van, wear the company uniform, follow its rules, drive how and where it tells you, and get paid an amount that it decides—but you’ll have a little more flexibility in your work hours. Oh, and you’ll have to buy a van. Yes, spend your own hard-earned money (or, more likely, borrow and pay interest) to purchase a blue-and-yellow SuperShuttle van with the company logo on the side. Also, you’ll lose all legal protections.

This is what happened to SuperShuttle drivers in 2005. Why would the company do something so wild as making drivers pay for their own vans? Isn’t that somehow illegal?"

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/01/supershuttle-drivers-national-labor-relations-board-trump.html

https://prospect.org/article/trumps-labor-law-heads-workers-lose-tails-workers-lose

 No.736814

File: c984b4b9cedb0fa⋯.jpg (25.95 KB, 800x450, 16:9, doubt.jpg)

>>736812

>This is what happend in 2005

>Trump was elected 2016

wat


 No.736819

>>736812

>Isn’t that somehow illegal?

It is not. It is, however, tax deductible for the employee who purchased the vehicle.

What would be illegal is if the company took ownership of the vans without compensation if the driver quit.

The real question is why this sort of thing doesn't prompt immediate large scale walkouts.


 No.736820

>>736819

>They weren’t allowed to affiliate with a business competing with SuperShuttle and therefore couldn’t use the vans for any other moneymaking purpose.

I see this and think it's bullshit and anyone signing up is an idiot.


 No.736889

>everybody spouting "2005"

>no one reading the two articles provided


 No.736891

>>736889

>Terri Gerstein

>Moshe Z. Marvit


 No.736896

File: e40860520698ef0⋯.jpg (182.1 KB, 800x1250, 16:25, neptune house.jpg)

>>736887

> they could have easily gone

>and found another job

Easily

Hows the hack arteese life paying Andy?

Luxury boarding rooms?


 No.736916

Mechanics are often required to supply their own tools. Any chef worth his salt buys his own knives. Most carpenters, plumbers, and other tradesmen have to have not only their own tools but their own vehicle (usually a pickup or a van) that is then used for hauling tools and materials to job sites. Many cab companies either hire cabbies that already own a suitable vehicle, or make them rent/lease one of the company's own.

It's all been that way since forever. Why is it all of a sudden so horrible?


 No.736917

>>736812

>bringing up ancient history

Trump also shit his pants in kindergarten better impeach


 No.737122

>>736916

And as employees and not owners they have the right to unionize. Independant contractors like carpenters also can unionize. They also can use their tools in other business ventures. This is Trump undermining the drivers rights as employees based on a technicality.

Want to try again?


 No.737134

>>736917

>736917

>Trump also shit his pants last week better impeach

fixed. and yes, it would be for the best thing for america.


 No.737136

>>736911

wait, what?! the new york billionaire doesnt care about the average joe!? Say it ain's so!!!


 No.737137

>>736814

nah dumbass, the Trump admin just said ok alls fine with that to supershuttle. Try reading the article


 No.737138

File: eba91dce77d8647⋯.gif (130.29 KB, 265x260, 53:52, cohengif - Copy.gif)


 No.737139


 No.737142

>Why would the company do something so wild as making drivers pay for their own vans?

Because capitalism. If you can make money doing something, you do so!

>Isn’t that somehow illegal?

No, it's not. Because the people doing this aren't actually employees of the company. They are "independent contractors". This means they have ZERO RIGHTS as employees. Most companies are switching to this model of doing business, because it's hilariously profitable.

>>736819

>The real question is why this sort of thing doesn't prompt immediate large scale walkouts

Same reason about a million federal workers just bent over and took a month-long, unpaid ass-fucking without walking out. Because in America workers have no power and leaving a job makes you basically unhireable for the rest of your life. This is due to the fact that almost everyone is kept constantly on the verge of poverty in wage slavery, so there will ALWAYS be a thousand people who will do your job, tomorrow, for even less pay because otherwise they will be homeless and starving.


 No.737462

File: a5c8fb3b73067ad⋯.jpg (21.87 KB, 483x269, 483:269, sdaf.jpg)

>more commie spam

>slate

Kill yourself, OP, you worthless, retarded bastard.


 No.737466

>>736889

>one anon

>everybody


 No.737474

>>737122

>they have the right to unionize

So why don't they? What's stopping them?


 No.737477

>>737474

Because the company is under no legal obligation to recognize the union. A thing only has power if everyone agrees it does. Paper money is objectively worthless, only having value as fiat currency because enough people recognize it as such.

There is nothing stopping any group of people from assembling into anything they want to. They are in fact guaranteed by the constitution to be able to do so. But that group is meaningless unless it has power. Unions have (well, HAD) power because they could cripple entire economic sectors if their demands were not met, as so many workers were part of them. What would happen now if workers formed a union is that the companies would fire all of them, and find enough desperate poor people to fill those positions by this time tomorrow.


 No.737485

>>737142

Bro the federal government is a jobs program in america.


 No.737490

>>737477

>What would happen now if workers formed a union is that the companies would fire all of them, and find enough desperate poor people to fill those positions by this time tomorrow.

What dimension are you from?


 No.737502

>>737477

>What would happen now if workers formed a union is that the companies would fire all of them, and find enough desperate poor people to fill those positions by this time tomorrow.

Ahhhh, and you can thank 1) globalist outsourcing and 2) cheap foreign open border labor for that!


 No.737510

>>737477

Huh. Bummer.


 No.737527

>"independent contractors" who own the means of their own production (i.e. vans) don't know how to band together and start their own taxi company, but take it up the ass instead…

Capitalism is wasted on the proles


 No.744464

Wtf my ex girlfriend still loves me I just know it any day now shes gonna come back !

People say that too.


 No.747853

>>736815

Yeah, who needs a job lol, just inherit a building business loser.


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