de07d1 No.5222
So I know most people planning to travel to our new homeland are planning to do so, at least initially, by plane for convenience sake. That's fine, but hear me out:
Air travel:
>fast (unless there are delays)
>expensive, especially for transatlantic flights
>highly regulated
>TSA buttfucks you at slightest provocation
>can't take a lot of baggage
>cramped and uncomfortable
>airplanes and airports are very expensive to construct/purchase, fuel, and maintain, meaning we'd be dependent upon Namibian transportation infrastructure and not our own for the foreseeable future
Now suppose we pool a bit of money and buy a nice oceangoing motorcruiser (or several) such as pic related:
>somewhat slower than air travel
>cheaper per passenger
>can bring on a shit ton of luggage
>can bring on a wide variety of items
>spacious cabins, fine dining, relaxation
>boat(s) would be owned by us, meaning we would not be reliant on someone else's transportation infrastructure
>boats, while still not cheap, are far less expensive to fuel and maintain than planes, and a seaport could be much more low-cost and accommodate a much wider variety of needs than an airport
I am a USCG licensed 10-ton captain, planning on getting my 50-ton license in the near future, so I could help out with logistics and vessel operations. How many folks here would consider foregoing a cramped, dingy airliner and climbing aboard a spiffy, gleaming-white, luxurious Royal Rhodesian Cruise Lines vessel?
6cca7a No.5229
You got a boat there champ?
e1346a No.5231
>>5222I have some contacts who own a boat so I can get my guns and such there
whilst I wont be giving too much info I can say that yes it will be treacherous
6cca7a No.5232
>>5229My bad, read the rest of the OP, how much would it cost for a sea worthy ship?
d5ab55 No.5246
>>5222I might be interested in this, Captain, as the flight cost to Namibia for me is around $1500 one way, and I can't take guns (Namibian legal) on a plane through 3 continents
more info pls
de07d1 No.5251
>>5232The cost varies widely. One that could transport a worthwhile amount of passengers and cargo would realistically cost around $100,000-$300,000.
But hey, tickets would be cheap, as my only expenses would be diesel and routine maintenance.
de07d1 No.5258
>>5246I would allow you to carry guns as long as they were legal on both ends, along with alcohol or whatever else you wanted to bring. As long as it wouldn't get me shut down I don't really care what you bring.
$1500 eh? Highway robbery, considering they won't even let you bring shampoo these days. If I offered tickets at, say, a third of that, would that ease the sting a bit?
Oh food would be the other big expense. Still not an issue.
36ac2a No.5261
>>5258where would the ship travel from? I've never really done long sea voyages, but I'm assuming pacific US is out of the question
e1346a No.5262
>>5222So where will your stops be? or will you be going str8 atlantic
814521 No.5263
>>5262Assuming this is either going straight from America or Europe, getting all the way to Namibia must be difficult. Wouldn't we have to make a stop or two for supplies and health? I guess it depends on how big the ship is.
de07d1 No.5266
>>5261I live near the Hudson so probably putting out of New York Harbor, but considering laws are shittastic in that area and prices for everything is high I might relocate to Boston or even one of the Carolinas if this gets serious.
>>5262Probably str8 from US east coast to motherland, but if there's enough demand from our friends in Europe I might make a stopover in either Lisbon or London
>>5263Most decent-sized modern oceangoing motorcruisers can make the transatlantic crossing at full passenger capacity nonstop without running out of fuel or provisions. Besides, I won't be looking at any vessels that can't do that.
cd120d No.5268
>>5266how long would a boat trip from east coast take?
d5ab55 No.5271
>>5258Yup, they will be legal on both ends, I am making sure of it.
Yeah, I can afford it easily but it hits the wallet quite hard. I would gladly pay $500 as long as I am confident in our safety. It will be quite the adventure
de07d1 No.5278
>>5268From Boston to Namibia, traveling at an average speed of a stately 12 knots, would take 3 weeks
36ac2a No.5282
>>5278holy shit that is a long time to be on a boat in the middle of the ocean en route to africa
de07d1 No.5284
>>5282Yeah but you're spending 3 weeks on a luxury ship, getting wined and dined, perhaps catching some rays on the promenade deck or playing vidya in a cabin like pic related, and you get to carry more luggage for a fraction of the cost
Or you can pay a shit ton of money to use someone else's transport system and spend your time cramped in a seat that's smaller than most theater seats, no doubt with a screaming baby nearby, the only luxuries being stale peanuts and lukewarm whiskey
Your choice m8
36ac2a No.5287
>>5284never been on a boat larger than a canoe, and never longer than an hour or two
so you are suggesting a cruise to namibia?
how would there be enough supplies to last 3+ weeks in the middle of the ocean?
i mean i dont have much faith in african airlines, but how would this even work
de07d1 No.5289
>>5287When you get up to the vessel sizes I'm considering, you'll quickly realize provisioning is not a problem. Vessels in the 60-120 foot range have tons of cargo space, more than a full passenger complement could eat in a voyage twice as long. There are people who make ocean crossings in much smaller vessels quite regularly.
All you have to be prepared for is boredom, which is the biggest thing out in the middle of the ocean, so hopefully I'll cop a vessel with good entertainment systems.
Also be ready for me to blast this over the intercom when Namibia comes into view off our bow:
http://youtu.be/KSC2MU9OllA 21e7b3 No.5291
I'd do it for finance's sake. Recently I saw that a transatlantic trip on the fucking Queen Mary 2 is still cheaper than a transatlantic flight.
36ac2a No.5293
>>5289well the more you tell me about it, the more im warming up to it
flight from LAX to the east coast, hop on the boat then hope we dont capsize
what would happen once we dock in walvis bay, central namibian coast? how would we move all the cargo to our homestead? if we could come up with a workable solution, having a bunch of rice/bean/corn sacks to help us survive a few months would be lifesaving, not to mention anything else we could cram in there to make thing easier on the farm
0af5e4 No.5296
>>5284>getting wined and dinedYou make it sound like I'm going to be fucked.
de07d1 No.5297
>>5293Hopefully by the time we have a shipping lane established, ground transport will have been established too. If not we can always hire trucks or whatnot
Or if you guys blow me away and pitch in a few metric shit tons of money I could buy a ship big enough to accommodate cars lmao
But I'm not expecting that. If you guys can raise the mojo for a passenger ship you can raise money for a couple vans. Shit, halfchan raised like 300 grand for the cop in Ferguson
de07d1 No.5298
>>5296Whatever makes your cruise experience more enjoyable ;)
0af5e4 No.5299
>>5222>>5297Honestly, I think we should go by sea, but we shouldn't buy a boat. Let's save our money for when we get there so we don't end up in poop huts.
de07d1 No.5300
>>5299I only suggested buying the boat so we had our own international transportation infrastructure, independent of Namibia or anyone else. It's harder to shut down and more profitable for us in the long run.
I understand why one might balk at the expense though. I could always just save up by myself, pool with some friends, and try to score something on the used market
36ac2a No.5302
>>5300how much would the boat coast?
what types are you looking at?
de07d1 No.5303
>>5302Read the thread; new or gently used, probably 100-300K for a decent-sized oceangoing vessel
0af5e4 No.5304
>>5300Why do we need sea transportation if we don't even have a sea border?
>>5303It'd be nice to have, but I also know 100-300k would buy a lot of stills, building supplies, etc.
36ac2a No.5305
>>5303that seems way out of our price range, we are still trying to raise funds to buy the actual land
depending on if/how much money we get from the charity will dictate how many luxuries we can afford
de07d1 No.5306
>>5305Shipping and travel aren't exactly luxuries, but I get what you're sayi
de07d1 No.5308
>>5304
>Why do we need sea transportation if we don't even have a sea border?Nigga half the country is coastline
36ac2a No.5310
>>5308the property we are looking at is inland
the coast is literally nothing but empty desert, we need grasslands to raise lifestock and crops
0af5e4 No.5311
>>5308But the land we is buyin is inland. We'd have to use Namibian infrastructure to get to sea, so why not just use their infrastructure to and fro the airport.
de07d1 No.5313
>>5311Because the actual sea transport is cheaper pound for pound
And we can dock our vessels in Namibian ports
until they're ours 6cca7a No.5314
>>5297Will there be room for a motorbike?
de07d1 No.5317
0af5e4 No.5318
>>5313But then why even bother getting a boat at all? Why not just buy the cheaper tickets over by sea?
3b549e No.5319
>>5318Because then we're dependent upon someone else's transportation infrastructure.
If I wanted to do that I'd just search "apartments for rent Namibia" but instead I'm on fullchan discussing the creation of an independent country
0262eb No.5350
>>5334This article is 2 years old. the ship is probebly sold now
de07d1 No.5363
ed87f5 No.5413
This thread is encouraging my stupid thoughts of pirate fantasies up and down the African coast.
3b549e No.5415
>>5413They're not stupid, mate. This is Africa we're talking about; if we have any meaningful mercantile/fishing/cruising ventures we will also need a naval presence to deter pirates.
It wouldn't have to be much. Most pirates are cowards, poorly-equipped ones at that. There are already threads for discussing military matters though so I'll refrain from going into too much discussion about that.
6d3a1b No.5441
>>5415tfw we could eliminate the remaining piracy from West Africa by creating generations of patrols by the most powerful navy on the continent
a1481f No.5442
>>5441It wouldn't even take that much. Some old slavshit destroyers with imposing gun batteries and semi-decent radar would dominate anything a pirate or warlord could throw at us
e2f63e No.5451
>>5444Trips confirm New Rhidesian naval ensign
>tfw you raise the colors while Alestorm blares over the loudspeakers and your battery of 120mm guns swivels around to rain death upon the pirate horde ed87f5 No.5457
>>5451I think the Navy's motto should be "Come and take it"
e2f63e No.5459
>>5457That, or "No quarter, no surrender"
56cd6c No.5637
This does seem like a good idea,the Only problem being getting to the farm and the boat.and any possible pirates.but that shouldn't be too hard to come across
560659 No.5642
>>5222This has no use whatsoever unless we live by the coast. And then we're best off with fishing boats. For… you know… food… and piracy…
3bf7b2 No.5760
>>5222It's possible.
Entirely possible
Hop onto the IRC and develop a google doc page for us.
ad9539 No.5778
>>5222Not a bad idea, maybe have people fly to Portugal and shuttle them from there.
I'll be your crewman, I'm certified and can also assist in crewmen safety training.
ad9539 No.5797
>>5300>>5299Actually, the boat would pay for itself. If OP can do the crossing, including paying himself, crew and food for $500 per person. The average person would save $1000 - $1500.
Just do a kickstarter for tickets at $1000 a pop. Once we get 80 people to join, we can put a 20% down payment on a $400k vessel. We could pay it off in no time:
Selling tickets and making gambling revenue:
http://www.maritimesales.com/AMS10.htmSelling tickets to passengers and ferrying nice american 4x4 cars and trucks:
http://www.maritimesales.com/ASE10.htmPassenger transport along with cargo. You just have to have your manifest on the up and up for customs.
http://www.maritimesales.com/WH10.htm de07d1 No.5802
>>5778Love to m8, unfortunately at the moment I don't have a lot of time. Right now I'm just trolling boat listings, counting pennies, biding my time and lurking here to watch this beautiful project grow.