Priorities: What do we want?

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Priorities: What do we want? Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 05:59:21 938233 No.5848

Before getting too deep into the technical side of things, we should determine our priorities. What do we want out of this venture? Why are we leaving our homelands?

We need to understand our own motivations as well as the motives of our fellow countrymen to ensure there is congruence in objectives.

First we need to determine the driving ideologies and principles. From there we can determine the extent to which we follow them. Finally we choose the best course of action for realising these objectives. At present we have skipped to that final stage.

So let's get the basic ideologies down. I'll list a few potentials, you guys contribute more, and then a multi choice straw poll (or docs survey) to decide which are most shared.

Ideologies
- White nationalism – the desire to start a white nation in favour of white supremacy
- Anti-governance/freedom – the desire to be free from current western governance
- A Fresh Start – the desire to leave behind current life to start anew
- Entrepreneurship – the desire to start something successful
- Romanticism – the desire to live a life in the new frontier
- Charity – the desire to help develop a developing country
- Lulz – the desire to put /pol/ on a world map
- Vengeance – the desire to counter-colonise Africa

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 06:19:42 482e3b No.5851

A bit of everything to be honest

Maybe not vengeance

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 06:30:33 293fc8 No.5862

All of them but vengeance.

I have no ill will toward Africans who stay in Africa.

squidward!!qYuorRAMTY 01/27/15 (Tue) 06:47:36 8e9c32 No.5871

>>5848
You summed everything up nicely, anon.
I feel like a strong sense of mateship/brotherhood/whateverthefuckyouwanttocallit is also something I feel many of us seek and this provides a great opportunity for like minded individuals to achieve that.

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 10:39:49 ae3dbb No.5905

Any others? I'll bung them in a survey after a bit and have us rank them and the like.

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 10:47:49 7c34e2 No.5908

capacity to defend yourself

Go look up guides on how to make STEN MK2 styled weapons, Stovepipe shotguns/rifles anything that'll keep you armed to protect yourself.

This project will still be hilarious wether or not it fails, for differing reasons of course

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 10:48:01 6253a0 No.5909

>Anti-governance/freedom – the desire to be free from current western governance
we will need a pseudo government for the community.
preferably through a community bank so that it can act as a natsoc government.

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 13:26:57 b75c57 No.5939

>>5909

Any kind of government, even an ostensibly white supremecist one, will eventually become totalitarian and under the control of the sniffers.

If we want this to succeed, our country must, first and foremost, stand for the absolute right to self determination and freedom.

No taxes, no enforced currency, no infringement upon peaceful interaction (no laws against drug use or distribution).

T 01/27/15 (Tue) 14:35:08 e77403 No.5960

>>5939
I'd hate to tell you this anon but you can't have your precious freedoms off the boat. You're going to be taxed atleast for the first part. A group came together and agreed to pay out but you do not want to. You value your own wealth over the success of the colony as a whole all in the name of freedom, yet striving for freedom as a group is a lot more possible.

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 14:37:17 482e3b No.5962

>>5939

>our country

The autism just doesn't stop does it?

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 14:44:20 756fc9 No.5968

>>5967
^

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 16:40:46 b75c57 No.5997

>>5960

>A group came together and agreed to pay out but you do not want to.

Where did I say that?

>You value your own wealth over the success of the colony as a whole all in the name of freedom, yet striving for freedom as a group is a lot more possible.

This is a total non-sequitur. Nowhere did I mention wealth, nor did I speak against cooperation.

I'd be perfectly happy to pay a (significant) portion of my labour, even all of it minus food and shelter initially, to fund protection and water services and the like.

The point is, it's voluntary, which makes it more effective and cheaper.

Maybe protection wouldn't even cost that much: >>5908 we'd have access to cheap weapons such as AK's, open-bolt SMG's, fuck we could even have 12.7mm defence guns.

Who is going to attack a community which will potentially have RPG's and stingers coming back at you?

A state will invariably restrict freedom, starting with arms, and then the cost of protection rises, because the civilians can't defend themselves.

T 01/27/15 (Tue) 17:19:25 d07516 No.6019

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>>5997
>thinking 1984 will happen

Look you're going to get your guns and we are going to be pushing for less fun control in the country.

Now for centuries there's been this economy called Military Surplus weapons and 40 years ago you could buy cheap service weapons and everyone was okay with it. Even in England and other WELL ESTABLISHED countries there was barely any gun laws. (If there were it would be against importation of cheap milsurp because companies here couldn't keep up).

Gun laws mainly happened because muh business and muh joos. because of these two things the ability for citizens to defend themselves was taken away to where we are left with shitty semi only guns and overpriced hunting rifles.

>pic related my collection

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 18:09:48 cf59b1 No.6037

A sincere and humble question: If you want to colonise with whom will you mate?

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 18:40:52 b75c57 No.6043

>>6037

I imagine we'll get the colony going for 1-2 years, get it financially grounded, then advertise to import females.

Women are not adventurous, and I doubt there will be many along for the initial ride.

>>6019

I know we'll have funs, my American friend. I'm pointing out that when civilians can defend themselves, protection for the comnunity is a whole lot cheaper, and the justification for taxation evaporates.

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 19:21:07 6c0f70 No.6063

>>6043
And how will you prevent the locals lynching you for setting up a white suprematist neonazi colony right in their lands?

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 19:25:40 05cd16 No.6065

>>5848
TBH I just want my sweet sweet Ron Paul Libertarianism freedom.

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 19:35:09 b75c57 No.6076

>>6063

Funs. Lots and lots of funs.

Boko haram attack schools, because the faggots know there are no guns there.

I guaran-fucking-tee you that if the teachers were armed, these raghead fucks would not be going anywhere near the kids.

And seriously, why would they? What have they got to gain which would be worth charging into a hail of lead (we're not bound by FMJ requirements) and 40mm grenades?

We're not even playing the white supremacist angle.

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 20:24:15 30d58e No.6106

>>6043
There are other reasons for tax besides protection.

I think you can use and bring your own shit and even keep a portion of the food you reap on our farms (ofcourse the harvest will go to the community and you'll still get fed). On power if were desperate we might make you share your solar panel you bought but you will be compensated in one way or another.

But its going to be hard out in the desert we can't afford for people to feel independent when were trying to survive and build at first.

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 20:29:42 b75c57 No.6110

>>6106

If someone is dumb enough to be selfish, other people aren't going to cooperate with them, and they will find it harder to survive.

There is so much deadweight in the West, because taxes and government debt are used to subsidise the unproductive.

I was just using protection as an example. Other things would work privately; roads for example. Without a state forcing other people to pay for your roads, you have an incentive to build and maintain them yourself at the lowest cost to benefit, or pay someone to.

You don't need violence for people to cooperate.

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 20:35:59 f4bd5d No.6112

>>6019
That shotgun is illegal in namibia.

i read somewhere military style funs are banned, along with self loading funs.

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 21:30:35 60b503 No.6135

>>6110
As far as roads go I agree we should not get private companies involved if we are going to treat this colony like a nation. However the reason Governments fuck up so badly and spend so much on roads is because they use private corporations that are made up of citizens just trying to make money. And there's nothing wrong with a business trying to make money except when it involves the community.

It would be a lot better if we didn't have all these shitty construction contractors that make us pay extra for materials and make us pay for their skills when the government can buy its own equipment/materials for 50% less all together.

Also people don't magically come together and agree on things involving their own money. (Like Namibia) people need an organization with power to unite them.

>>6112
We can always make homemade single shot guns.

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 22:57:37 b75c57 No.6170

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>>6135
>Also people don't magically come together

It can seem like magic to people indoctrinated by centralised power. Consider this picture.

> there's nothing wrong with a business trying to make money except when it involves the community

Non-sequitur. You've not proven this.

Since a taxing body is not spending its own money, it has less incentive to spend efficiently than someone directly purchasing the service.
Additionally, there is the middleman expense, which is unavoidable.

Fianlly, it is morally wrong to extort money from people with violence or the threat of violence, and it is morally absurd to grant certain rights to some people and not others, such as the right to initiate force.

>people need an organization with power to unite them

There is economic value in leadership and management, this is true, but that does not mean that force is either justified nor efficient.

Who is a more efficient boss: the one who leads by example and understands his employees enough to manage them effectively, or a tyrant who screams at his underlings?

Anonymous 01/27/15 (Tue) 22:59:22 b75c57 No.6172

>>6135
> I agree we should not get private companies involved if we are going to treat this colony like a nation

Oh and you misunderstand. If you build and maintain your own road, you are a private company.

Since division of labour and specialisation are the most effecient forms of cooperation, you'll have a group of road builders and maintainers who everyone pays to maintain their roads,because they can do it cheaper and better than anyone else.

Anonymous 01/29/15 (Thu) 13:52:39 69914d No.6646

i don't think we need to get distracted by identity politics