/namibia/ - A New Homeland

buy* farmland

>>8049
that's clearly racist, we should band together and actively protest this unjust law.

>>8052

I agree, racist and locationist

After some research, I've also found that Botswana is #1 producer of diamonds in the world (according to BBC) and there's not some African nationalist government running the place. Slightly socialist but not even close to ANC or SWAPO level

>>8055

:^) I know anon, I've been here since the original thread on /pol/, I wasn't suggesting anything along the lines of slaves or illegal diamond mining, just pointing out the country is relatively rich in resources, and technically classifies As a middle income country just like South Africa and Namibia, so it would be a great alternative-if we really can't buy agricultural land. The more I research However the more it seems like we won't be able to buy farmland

>>8054

And problem with that is that it's the farmland that is cheap, plots that aren't used for farming can go run up a few million USD. I am just keeping my fingers crossed we can work around this somehow, if not there is a much more welcoming country next door

>>8057
It pains me to say this, but the website you gave in which it states, that Botswana (much like Nigeria) is actually pursuing experienced farmers to buy land in Botswana makes me feel as if there can almost be no other alternative…

I too was from the /pol/ thread, though that thread was a little too extreme for me.

I just hope and pray that the Namibian area works out.

>>8059

Botswana is ranked 2nd in terms of economic freedom in Africa as well. They are literally asking us to go there, and if it is similar to Namibia in almost every aspect, I say, why not?

Any other anons would like to put in their opinion?

>>8049
>Foreigners may acquire and own property in Namibia, except agricultural land. Land is typically held in freehold title. There is an adequate land registration system in Namibia.

This changes nothing, and only accelerates the innovative technologies we will need to produce agriculture in a desert.

Making the desert green has always been the primary interest of some of us, myself included.

Literally no one wants this land.

>>8061

Namibian government only leases it's land though, you cannot purchase it freehold from them, except in extraordinary circumstances I presume (and they certainly will not sell it freehold to non-citizens)

Also

>making the desert green

Would be fantastic, but would require lots of shekels to get started which we do not necessarily have-that being said we don't know how much money collectively we have

Botswana is just an option, friend, it had basically the same arid climate as Namibia so you can "green the desert" if you wish. Just seems a lot less legally complicated

>>8062
Namibia is the destination.

There are not established white communities in Botswana, but by all means, mover there is you want to.

>>8063

Whatever you say boss :^)

Other than it being landlocked Botswana is better in every way.

I really don't know why we're holding on to Namibia for dear life?

Fuck off with your attempts to hijack whatever is left of /namibia//

Make a /botswana/ if you are so into going there.

>>8066
>>8067

Thanks, friend, I am glad you share my sentiment

>>8068

No one is hijacking anything, I am presenting facts and allowing people to decide for themselves. Anyone reasonable can see Botswana is better in almost every aspect. I was dead set on Namibia but why go through all the legal and political trouble when we literally don't have to?

>>8070
Here's the important questions we must research so we don't get burned again.

1) What's the current political climate against Whitey.
2) What is the historical role of oppression, either real or perceived, of Whites against the black Botswanis?
3) What are immigration laws like?

>>8071
1. Botswana, renamed from "Bechuanaland", has always had a relative easier time in terms of being colonized. Politically, it's not, nor has been, very anti-white; quite the contrary, the President, Ian Khama, is partially white and was voted by a majority of blacks. (I guess i kinda answered no. 2 as well)
3.don't know. lol

For further information, read "The Miracle of Botswana"

>>8071
Well my googling seems to suggest that you can obtain an investment visa to Botswana and after 3 years become a permanent resident.

I can't find any hard numbers though.

-Dual Citizenship, not recognized

-Immigration offices reportedly descriminating against Zimbabweans :^)

Basically, to get permanent residence you have to get a temporary visa, live there, leave, get another visa, live there, leave, until you reach an aggregate of 10 years, then apply for permanent residence

Its a shitty website and half the pages dont work, but here you go friends, go through this at your leisure

http://www.gov.bw/en/Ministries--Authorities/Ministries/Ministry-of-Labour--Home-Affairs-MLHA/Tools--Services/Services--Forms/Application-for-work-permit/

>>8067
>>8076

Region is called Kgalagadi District and is on a provincial park. We might have problems finding properties there, I have only found a few looking through google.

Southern District (directly to the right) has much more opportunities, and so does Ghanzi district (directly North). Of course we can all come to a consensus once NGO is established and we pool our money

>>8078
Okay, no dual citizenship, which sadly is very common in Africa…

But can we just live our lives as permanent residents? What benefits does being a citizen provide?

Oh and I'd like to point out that Botswana was neither in the SA Border War, ever sent terrorists to fight against SA or Rhodesia, nor do they even have any Pan African colors on their flag.

They seem like the most White friendly nation in the area.

Oh, and apparently they hate Zimbabweans.

>>8080

Citizenship just allows you to vote and get a national ID afaik. Requirements to become a citizen and requirements to become a permanent resident are almost identical as well.

The rest of your points are spot on

>>8077
Unlike most of you kids I'm an old fuck.
Seriously, l may be the only boomer on 8chan (I mostly hang out on /sci/).
I bring this up because I could easily get a retirement permit.
Also, I have a pretty impressive business background (my resume is so good if I hadn't been there I wouldn't believe it myself) so my name would look good on a application for a business permit.

In general a grey haired white guy who looks like he belongs in a suit could be useful to the project.

>>8089

Very good to have you on board, friend

>Also, I have a pretty impressive business background (my resume is so good if I hadn't been there I wouldn't believe it myself) so my name would look good on a application for a business permit.

This is an excellent option. Business could potentially be in your name (in good faith) and you could "employ" us so our work permits would get us accepted, this would guarantee us at least 3-5 years in country, then rinse and repeat. I hope you stick around

/namibia/ is dead.
Long live /botswana/!

Further evidence for Botswana:

A Tale of Two Countries: Botswana and Zimbabwe: http://youtu.be/7071wstBp1k

>communism was just never popular in Botswana, the people told the ANC type people to 'take a hike' and never looked back

>>8096

Thanks for the link, very interesting video

>>8090
>Business could potentially be in your name (in good faith) and you could "employ" us

There are titles to get around this. "Chief Executive Officer" is the top of the heap on paper but
"Director of Operations" is the guy that actually makes sure everything gets done on schedule and within budget. In short he is the final boss of the "get 'er done" pyramid.
This would give bankers, government officials and anyone else confidence that things were being handled by an experienced person while allow us as a group to determine what level of authority we want to give to him or any other position.
I assume initial investment + sweat equity will determine each members position in final decision making.
Banks and other financiers don't care who the other investors are, they just care who is responsible for making sure it all works.

>>8100

Good to know.

>I assume initial investment + sweat equity will determine each members position in final decision making.

Yes, this is exactly what I am thinking. The amount of say someone has should be directly proportional to how much work they contribute, financially or otherwise. This way we can easily weed out those who aren't serious or teenagers who's disposable income consists of their allowance. Good points

>>8110
Too bad it's basically as elusive as the bigfoot or the Lockness Sea Monster.

>>8115

He's a known shitposter, just report him

If my computer weren't broken (I'm posting on my phone) I'd make /botswana/ not only is it a better destination than Namibia it allows to restart the failures of this board (lack of leadership and direction, the whole New Rhodesia crap, not clearly explaining the purpose of the settlement)…

>>8122

I agree, we might need a new board. I still believe we should wait a bit until we are sure that they are all gone though

>>8062
Yeah as far as I understand it the original plan was buy some farmland, and use that to start the community, and then branch out to the cheaper desert land and start trying to turn it green. If we aren't allowed to buy farmland in Namibia, it's a huge problem.

>>8066
>>8067
If we can buy land, it's a good start. Someone needs to check the gun laws. Another thing that worried me about Namibia is apparently only citizens could own guns. Also they have a history of displacing white farmers.

>>8071
Another thing to check is gun laws. From what I can tell some people from /k/ want in, and if we do live in the frontier, it would be smart to have them due to the wildlife.

>>8127
As someone who really likes this idea, and would love to pitch in money (have about 3000 now, hope to get more), I hope it works out. Though I'm not sure what parts of the plan you may need to restart, like sending guys to survey, setting up funding etc. While I do understand wanting to wait for things to settle down after the vice invasion, I do agree with >>8122
is eventually a new, more focused board might work. One that make the more realistic goals clear, and tones down the RP. Of course if anybody was telling the truth about having wealthy investors, you have rebuild the community for the new board. Either way, I hope I can keep track of what's going on.

>>8133

If you guys are seriously starting a new board for this then please make a sticky at the top to indicate your policies. By this I mean are you for making this country for agriculture/freedom/guns/nazism or what.

For my own part I find this idea really really interesting, but after reading through a lot of thease threads I got an impression you guys are just racist stormfronters who want to "purify" Africa or something… That was a huge turn off.

>>8141
Probably part of the reason a new board and clarity is needed. Some poes law is involved. It's hard to tell who is a hardcore nazi who wants to make new rhodesia, plan a coop, and take over, who are saying the same things but are just joking around, who is merely just messing around joking about domesticating elephants, who wants to go live an 8chan/4chan made mansion, who legitimately wants to migrate to a relatively messed up country to how insane the politics of their home country is, etc. Me I love the pioneer aspect of it, and hope that's what the forefront is, but who knows. Right now I'm not sure if it'll ever happen, but a naive part of me hopes it does. The thing is for this to ever work, it'll need to be headed by normalfags, and not just a bunch shitposters from 8chan. If it's a community of unsatisfied westerners trying to set up shop, not to colonize, just to get away and start anew. It might work. If it's a bunch of stormfronters trying to create a new homeland for the white race, it's ending with bunch people getting shot or arrested. If it's bunch of teens on 8chan talking shit, it'll never happen.

That said, from what I've seem lurking a lot of it is up to debate, most of the realistic plans are just for setting up a farm in africa. Which is what I hope ends up happening, that sounds the most sustainable, and worthy of invest. And to address the elephant in the room there is some debate "whites only" aspect of project with some sticking for it hard, others willing to compromise, (and some middle ground like IQ or education requirements). Some even argue supporting the local communities economically and building trust with the locals is essential, (not from a "lets build trust then spring the trap" point of view, though I don't deny there have been some of that, but others seem to just argue "let's be model citizens, and make them happy with us so the don't want to take our land away and just leave us alone." With those pushing a more moderate approach as worst it seems they are after a gentrification of a small part of a country in africa.) From what I can tell (again just through looking and reading docs, one of the core guys who still lurks please correct me) the compromise seems to be "well lets just get over there first, get things going, and then let the community decide from there. Seems to be a lot of the more extreme stuff started when the board first started out as a joke RP, with lefty /pol/ taking it seriously trying to sabotage it. There does seem to be some absolutely don't want this to be "new rhodesia" or "new south africa", or new apartheid or anything like that and just want to make a new pioneer community in the middle of a sparsely populated land trying to make green land out of wilderness, to leave the sinking ships of their western nation and just find someplace isolated where they can be left the hell alone. It's this idea that I hope works out, and if some crazy chance actually succeeds, is what I'd be willing to invest in. Though I'm white, I don't really care much about the racist aspects. Retiring in africa where my money might stretch further and I can help some /k/ guy make a farm, that might oneday turn into suburb with it's own businesses and shit on the other hand might be a cool idea, and one i'd be willing to help invest in. Provided this whole thing isn't just a joke RP of course.

But like you said, some clarity would help. It's all a chaotic mess right now, and the people brought by the VICE hit pieces made things worse, and I think the main idea guys went into hiding for a while after that.

>>8146
Yeah, the pioneering is exactly what makes me feel for this also. I think the most realistic way for this to turn into anything would be (as you said) to have some normalfags in. Especially people who could buy some land and then sublet/rent pieces of it to younger and poorer channers. Or just hire them at some local min wage. This way we could have a group of smaller farms close to each other and slowly turning into a colony.

If a group of normalfags (safe to say people >30 with jobs, maybe wifes, tend to have more money then 18yo…) would unite, they could form a business by local laws and use the invested capital to buy large enough property. Each get a share of the commpany according to investment and piece of land matching that share. Then they would act as managers of each farm or just as remote investors with own headmen installed to run the things locally.

People with small income or no money at all could join as normal workers to the farms run by the companys individual shareholders. Naturally salaries would be something unseen in our countries, just enough to keep people alive until it runs on its own. Guys with some money saved beforehand (but not yet richfags) could take bigger risks and for example rent a couple of hectares for one season and just try out what they can grow themselves. The company would buy or help them sell the products.

Farms would trade products with each other to make the whole group a bit more self-sustainable. Maybe someone would be willing to rent a piece of land and start operating solar farm providing electricity to other farms and receiving food or money in return.

>"let's be model citizens, and make them happy with us so the don't want to take our land away and just leave us alone."

I actually don't see any harm being friendly with the locals. Total opposite, they know much about the land and ways people can stay alive there. Going in with business aspect and following local laws 100% would be the way. The farms could also hire local people to work there if there is not enough internetians flowing in. In every way it would be a normal, legal, farming business. Just formed by group of foreigners who share the same dream of getting the hell out of the west (or north as in my case).

Together these smaller farms would work together and help each other out, buy products from other farms they don't grow themselves. Company as a public entity would then try to sell all surplus to markets. This would drain money from the investors for some years before turning into a healthy business. It maight take many rounds before suitable farmers, mechanics, blacksmiths, bakers etc. are found (or are willing to stay). And of course it would not be easy at any point.

But still, by running this cycle the farms would be slowly evolving into a colony and who knows into what end.

>>8049
i do like the idea of Botswana, mainly because of the Christian factor.

>>8170
Is Botswana less or more Christian than Namibia?

>>8172

Botswana is 70% Christian, 20% atheist, and the rest is traditional religions. Muslims make up around 0.0025 of the population which is insignificant


Namibia is roughly 85-90%% Christian, 7-10% indigenous and 1-3% Muslim. Virtually no atheists. To put Islam in Namibia into perspective, there could be anywhere from 23,000 to 70,000 Muslims in Namibia.

>>8070
what about start in botswana with a goal to set up a 2nd place or move into namibia when it gets big?

>>8188
If you read the original post on /pol/ you'd understand that wouldn't the plan in the long-run neither was it the plan in the beginning.

I guess Namibia could still work if you had a namibian citizen as the money man, but I don't know.

Bump since this thread seems more useful than the others.

>>8189
anybody have an archive of the original /pol/ thread?

>>8238
I had the original tab open, but it closed without me thinking clearly. It is now all lost, except for in the dreams of the people who were original participants/spectators in the /pol/ discussion.

May it be in all our hearts.

>>8239
Dang

>>8241
Just as well that it is lost in the annals of time. There were much talk of originally it …

My lips are sealed, but let me tell you, if you be traveling to ANY African country with the dark cloud of VICE and other news associations reporting on the negative aspects of shills, trolls, and actual neonazis, you'd have an even more difficult time with the nonsense that was in the original thread. Let's not distance ourselves from such a thread, and the neo-nazis/trolls. Take care.

>>8248
I hey, that is big/good news. I hope some of regulars are still around to notice.

>>8248
Have you heard anything new from them?

>>8249
>>8254

This email I've received, let's say three weeks ago. If none of the regulars return to speak with me, I will continue on my discussion privately for personal recording keeping.

>>8255
I'm hoping RIDF checks again eventually. I'll be honest I'm a late adopter to all this, so I just keep looking in hoping this comes together in some form. I hope all the claims this project is falling apart are just trolling, but the board gets quieter everyday.

I do think they are right about bonds and goals. The community needs some kind of unity to keep it from falling apart. I think political reasons might be enough.

Getting the fuck out of a place that was persecuting them worked for the pilgrims, and the pioneers, but I guess time will tell. If you can get people together now to make a plan, you might be able to pull off a community over there. If you can't manage just online, maybe it won't work it. I guess it depends if the planning communities are just secretive, or if the wind went out of the sails.

I still hope to invest in this, but if this fails, I'll just keep saving my money for the next 20 or 30 years and retire abroad and just live as a neet somewhere. Though I still think 8chan community is still a nice dream. I'm gullible that way.

>>8248
>>8255
>>8257

Hey I am still around, don't worry. I check the board every 3 or so days but I don't really post anymore or go into the IRC, everyone is dead


Fugg should we just go to Orania? I am still liking Botswana but it looks like all the original organizers are gone for good, and we actually have a chance in Orania. Problems would be getting SA citizenship.

Orania seems a bit idyllic, I am looking for some adventure and basically a way to put some shekels in my pocket.

I'm looking for jobs/contracts I could potentially take, maybe transport or security

>>8262

Most of them stopped being active a while ago. I am honestly not sure whether the original organizers are planning something in secret or they have left for good. It seems odd that they would leave so suddenly, time to just wait and see

>>8263
>am honestly not sure whether the original organizers are planning something in secret or they have left for good. It seems odd that they would leave so suddenly, time to just wait and see

I was hoping /botswana/ would have started rockin' but it seems the OP from there has also disappeared due to some rela life shit…

>>8266
I didn't know about it either.

Have you guys considered the Yukon? Massive swaths of unpopulated land, even the areas with towns and such usually only have a couple hundred people. Lots of land for sale. It's far away from degeneracy.

>>8271
> part of what is luring me to Africa is the prophecies of Siener Van Rensburg
Very interesting. I'm actually an Afrikaner (I live in Canada though) and I had no idea that people outside South Africa really knew about Van Rensburg. As a Boer nationalist I would usually never suggest this (an ethically homogeneous Boerestaat is my dream) but why not move to South Africa? You can buy very large pieces of land for very cheap, pretty much everyone can speak English, it's the land of Siener Van Rensberg. I myself have been looking at a particular property in Limpopo that is over 300 acres. My Afrikaans isn't as good as it was when I was a kid but I will pick it back up rather quickly

http://tinyurl.com/pgz94xe
^ That's about 74 acres of land in Ghanzi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghanzi_District)
Priced at 71,537.49 US Dollars.

>>8277

That is quite affordable, hopefully when the /botswana/ board owner comes back we can work out the specifics with the few of us. I can personally contribute around 10-15K, if not more

>>8281

Do we know what those real world issues are?

Also, what has the effect of the recent articles in the media been on the project?

http://www.vice.com/read/white-colony-in-namibia-773

If articles like this are any indication, the main leaders of this like the Latvian guy have officially moved into password protected chatrooms instead of this board.

So, yes, the project is progressing on slowly. Maybe we just need to wait it out for a few years and see what news comes out of Africa.

Personally, I think Curonian should make a Wordpress site or a forum for the Namibia project, and once it's all set up, he should spam the fuck out of this board and as many similar boards he can for 5 months straight about how the project is moving off of 8chan and onto somewhere else.

>>8291
No the message pretty much said
>Group fell apart. Real world shit. Face it, this was just a roleplay anyway

>Also, what has the effect of the recent articles in the media been on the project?

Wish I knew the answer to that. Aside from a few anons going
>no such thing as bad publicity
>Everything is fine
Haven't heard shit.

>>8294

If we can get a leader , everything should fall into place. Old ones have left for good it seems, we should try and reconnect with them or pick someone new (or if someone would like to step up that is always good too)

>>8295

RIDF email me, my address is in my name, click it.

>>8294
>1. No clearly defined objective
At least the plan has that. Though there is some debate on the objective, but "get out of dodge" is pretty clear
>2. Suggestions stem from individual opinions more than facts, research, or experience.
Sadly the group that was to do that research may have died from that.

>3. No strong leader.
No leader may work for online groupings/movement/revolts like gamergate, but shit like this NEEDS a IRL leader if it is going to work. It needs someone to take charge.

>4. Feedback process is unorganized and ineffective.
Yeah, another problem we have/had

>5. Members are furthering personal or political agendas.
I got on this train late, so I really don't know.

Since I forgot this was a sticky and only shows one response
Hey RDF
see >>8296

>>8296

Right away m8

>>8298
ty anon

>>8299
If you guys work something out, be sure to drop those of us here a bone.

>>8300

Will do, will do. I will post any developments here.

>>8300
Thanks.

>>8049
>Government encourages foreign land ownership apparently
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>>8301
I appologize in advance for being off topic.

Hey RIDF, you still on Tox and the like? I've been wondering where everyone on the IRC went too. I had to take a leave of absence and couldn't get on at it all. Has everyone really left IRC? My emails in the name if you want to email me anything. Oh and when did the IRC die out fully? It seems like just before I took my leave of absence that it was vibrant with male_supremacy, bearman and the like.