e897eb No.808
Aeroponics and Hydroponics
A group of my friends and I are entering a competition, and we've agreed to test Aeroponics and Hydroponics for it.
Any interesting results we find will go in this thread, and I encourage some of you faggots to also test these methods and see how reliable/unreliable and viable/nonviable they are.
Test different variables too, guys. I'm talking about different plants, speeds of water etc. We need to start into science if we want any hope of surviving and thriving.
Also, if anyone has any other methods to add other then Aero/Hydroponics, feel free to share.
I'll call this a general farming thread until a better one appears. Let's go faggots.
9176c3 No.826
So initially we'll need generators to run the system before the Solar system can be afforded and implemented? Possibly a number of greenhouses to protect the facilities as well. We should also look at making imported soil crops as well. There is amazingly fertile soil along the northern river that borders Angola, a possible source of water and soil.
50d6cb No.848
From what I've researched,aeroponics will be more efficient and more than likely the cheaper option in the long run,but it will take time to set up
e897eb No.856
>>848thats true, aeroponics are apparently more efficient
0f9b12 No.858
>>808>he doesn't into aquaponicsget gud
Aquaponics is better because it yields, some tasty protein rich fish, and we could bulk buy fish food cheap
c7ea47 No.863
>>808I wonder about the feasibility of utilizing both aeroponics and hydroponics in the same enclosed system.
This system would be designed for the harsh climate of Namibia, and would consist of sand/concrete walls with circular windows dispersed throughout the dome-like shape of the entire structure.
I imagine that the heat of the area could create enough humidity inside the dome-structure caused by the hydroponic systems to sustain aeroponic systems of some sun-loving herb which simultaneously creates a 'curtain' to adjust the sunlight down to the level liked by shade loving vegetables like spinach.
In this way, both sunlight and water would be utilized to their maximum efficiency.
c7ea47 No.865
>>863Also, with aquaponic fish tanks hooked up into the entire hydro/aeroponic system.
e897eb No.877
>>858Hmm that does require soil.
Soil is expensive, but im sure we could try it.
I'll read up on it
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4df425 No.886
>>878This is spectacular. On a big enough scale it provides us with crops and fish with minimal water waste.
c7ea47 No.899
>>886We could make the tanks out of glass vitrefied from indigenous Namibian sand.
We could fire the kilns with hydrogen made from electrolysis of water.
7d063d No.912
>>878That is a brilliant idea,where'd you find this?
c7ea47 No.926
>>912It was posted in one of the many original threads on /pol/ but it's not a super new idea.
It is a good idea though, especially if you combine it successfully with aeroponics as a potential 4th layer, I think.
Of course, such an enclosed system would be approaching 99% humidity, which would be pretty unpleasant to be in, I think.
1b72b9 No.928
>>878Problem is that the food produced that way will be very nutrious.
Tilapia has the nutrition of and tastes like cardboard. You will want fish that feed on plankton or plankton eating fish.
c7ea47 No.935
>>928You mean
won't be nutritious?
And if so, why?
1b72b9 No.941
>>935Yeah I meant that.
It's because they grow faster, don't get the full package of nutrients soil has and are pumped full of water, often they also don't get direct sunlight. Try tasting the difference between a tomato grown in a green house and one grown in a vegetable garden.
Fish get their healthy omega-3 fatty acids from algae or from fish that eat algae, hence why wild salmon is far better in quality than salmon from fish farms.
9176c3 No.971
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Would a large scale version of this or mass production be viable as a water source?
50d6cb No.974
Ok since this is acting as a general farming thread i figured that other compact techniques would be beneficial to have posted
Pic related(100 pounds of potatoes in a 4X4 square
c7ea47 No.988
>>941Why can't we grow chlorella in some giant tanks with the fish for them to eat?
Also, would not simply empirically perfecting the micronutrient solution the vegetables are grown in solve any culinary or nutritive deficiencies?
c7ea47 No.996
>>971This is the basic idea, but my idea is to construct a large dome of giant lenses to focus the solar radiation even further upon a cone shaped, enameled (black) stainless steel tank in the center of the dome, thus enabling the usage of the vaporized water in an electricitiy-producing turbine.
4ea19b No.1015
While it's possible to grow root crops in soiless systems they fair much better in soil.
Check out wicking beds, they are brilliant preservers of water.
>>856>>848Aeroponics is harder, the tolerances are much smaller, you need a more heavy duty filter system and the spray nozzels are more prone to failure.
While a cool the maintenance would be too high and some plants suffer from having unsupported roots.
A simpler hydro/aquaponic solution would be far more resistent and also has the benefit of a much larger base of knowledge.
>>877Aquaponics is soiless.
>>988There's plenty of suppliments to grow for the fish, such as duckweed.
1b72b9 No.1049
>>988It might work, I just don't see it happening now, which might be because it's more expensive while most farms go for quantity over quality.
c7ea47 No.1184
>>1015I don't think that static systems like wicking beds are feasible in the enclosed systems like will be required in Namibia because of the inevitable mold that would grow.
I even suspect that we will have to force co2 into the 'stacked' systems to ensure proper air flow.
I think that coconut coir would be a good substrate to use for the hydro/aqua systems as Africa produces coconuts and it is also naturally resistant to mold.
4ea19b No.1272
>>1184Wicking beds are mold free everywhere else, what makes Nambia different?
I think stacked systems are weird, creating our own zipgrow like towers could be better.
Agreed on the coconut coir.
c7ea47 No.1560
>>1272I think that the lack of moving water coupled with high high heat and humidity would create a lot of mold.
But I never experimented with it so I can't know for sure.
We would have to do a LOT of experimentation if we do this.
4ea19b No.1575
>>1560Wicking beds prevent mold due to having reservoirs underground.
There's no moisture at the top of the bed.
Wicking beds arose in Australia and have been used in tropical areas there.
c7ea47 No.1583
>>1575Hmm.
I imagined the distance between the water source and the top of the substrate to be only a couple feet.
I didn't realize that the idea was to grow the produce in the ground, but rather, above it.
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98c85e No.2385
documentary about auscunt using permaculture to tranform salty desert sand into an edible garden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1rKDXuZ8C0you should consider that plants do not need soil; only nutrients.
98c85e No.2391
>>2385we can possibly transport some soil if needed, from somewhere like>>826
a river is a big attraction, and i think it would be unwise to settle on one. we could use a combination of techniques including permuhculture, and terraform a more strategic, remote location.
>>971http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_lens c7ea47 No.2458
>>1015I just had an idea for the use of wicking beds.
We could create an artificial water table below our constructions.
This will enable the conservation of water and a place to store large amounts of it, like a giant cistern. Furthermore, it will enable the farming of groves of coconut trees that surround groups of our villas or single villas.
The coconut trees will provide wind breakers and prevent sand drifts. We can then use the fibers as a substrate for the hydroponic production of food, and press oil from the flesh of the coconuts.
>we Fremen nao 98c85e No.2489
>>2458coconuts will practically wash up on the beach and start growing
e5618f No.2531
>>2458Trees of any kind would likely be viable as breaks to help stop the sand,hopefully we can also get some apple or pecan trees to grow as well
c7ea47 No.2538
>>2531Avocados, olives, diversity is important.
Oil is a valuable commodity worldwide.
Once the desalination problem is solved, agricultural possibilities are nearly endless…
Everyone knows that deserts have the most fertile soil. They just lack water.
8a5cef No.3423
if you all are talking about outdoor farming now, there is a bit of a technique involved. It's well understood by the various oasis farming communities throughout the sahara. You basically have to start with Date palm trees which are very sun resistant, and them grow smaller trees like figs, peaches, Apricots, and Olives. Beneath them you can grow other plants, such as barley, millet, wheat, or some vegetables.
6cc064 No.3448
>>971Important points:
1) This takes up a lot of space and time.
2) This is by no means a complete purification - if there is disease in the water, I wouldn't trust it.
3) It seems relatively self-contained but it still requires maintenance; clearing out the solids from the bottom.
513540 No.3463
>>3423So, the date palms provide shade for the trees which don't do so well in constant sun? Nice idea. Also, we can get delicious palm sugar from them.
f4290c No.3508
no one has mentioned bubbleponics, it's a simpler implementation of aeroponics that uses bubblers to spray the roots
when it comes to the whole fish shit fertilizer thing you need to consider nutrients needed by the plants and you need some method of balancing out whatever the plants don't absorb like bottom feeders or something
fish shit works to an extent but when i grow "herbal" products i never leave nutrients up to chance, so you will need other forms of nutrients for the plants and a way of knowing what is in the fish shit so you can either dilute it or make up for what it lacks
when it comes to combating algae mold and mosquitoes there is a dye you can buy that turns the surface of the water black so nothing that needs light can grow in it, im not sure how fish fair in that environment though
f4290c No.3510
>>996how are you going to deal with the salt buildup in the system ?
c7ea47 No.3730
>>3510The salt and other dissolved solids will have to be removed periodically from the stainless steel tank.
Then we can sell the sea salt.
>>3448Distilling water is the most thorough method of purification.
>>3595We could make the lenses out of the native sands.
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c7ea47 No.4828
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>>4828>>4828Holy shit, fucking pineapples!
Also, bump for permaculture educations.
fe992f No.4911
>>899>electrolysisHardly efficient. We'd be better off burning coal/petroleum.
>>971Technically, it is. But if we have access to water, we'd be better off making regular stills and burning coal or petroleum to heat them. That way we'd cook any pathogens out, evaporate the water out of the saltwater if that's what we're using, and it would be feasible because we'd have access to water to cool the condensation. We may need a bigger start up budget if this is the case, though.
>>996Not a terrible idea. It would definitely increase the amount of water produced per hour. The biggest problem is making lenses big enough, but it's entirely feasible if we make fresnel lenses instead of conventional lenses. See:
http://www.greenpowerscience.com/They have large fresnel lenses for sale as well as many other cool things we might be able to use on our trip.
>>1015Actually, production rates are higher in aquaponics and aeroponics than in soil. This is attributed to the plant being able to focus on growth of fruit/vegetation rather than focusing on root growth. However, you're right that it would be a bitch to run an aquaponics/aeroponics system out in the desert with limited water. Dirt's expensive, but much more foolproof than those systems.
c7ea47 No.4913
>>4911> However, you're right that it would be a bitch to run an aquaponics/aeroponics system out in the desert with limited waterBut net water loss through vaporization could be mitigated through closing the entire system in some kind of dome-shaped enclosure. This could possibly create it's own 'weather' systems of water vaporization/condensation through the natural diurnal/nocturnal changes in temperature.
fe992f No.4917
>>4913So in other words, pay for more just to make the already more expensive and hardly more efficient system work? Not to mention that if we enclose the system enough to prevent water vapor from escaping, two things will happen:
>the plants will suffocate in oxygen due to low circulation>the plants will cook like fucking bacon due to the greenhouse effectThe answer is either we need to make a shit ton of useable water which either means making a fucking bagillion of those solar stills or a few petroleum/coal powered stills, or growing crops that don't need much water to produce, like date trees and whatnot.
c7ea47 No.4923
>>4917>the plants will suffocate in oxygen due to low circulation>the plants will cook like fucking bacon due to the greenhouse effectNot if the dome is not airtight.
I imagine a dome (again) built from recycled plasticrete using glass windows embedded throughout the entire dome.
Air could be lightly circulated from vents which pass through the fish tanks, cooling the entire system while aerating the tanks and lightly exhausted near the ceiling to cool the system during the day.
c7ea47 No.4924
>>4923Furthermore, a 'water vapor filter' could be installed in the ceiling vents, composed of some kind of stainless steel mesh which catches and collects the water vapor, but allows out the oxygen and other gases within the dome.
fe992f No.4936
>>4923I guess that makes sense. Aerating the fish tanks with air collected from the greenhouse is a great idea, and if we have enough fish, they would be able to create enough co2 to keep the plants from suffocating. The only problem I see here is that first of all, tilapia is very sensitive to temperature. 70 degrees fahrenheit is pretty cool for water in Namibia. We'd need a cooling system for water, like a cistern, which isn't a bad idea for long term water storage either. The other problem is that after the air is heated in the greenhouse and cooled in the fish water, the energy that is given off by the air in the form of heat when cooled has to go somewhere. That somewhere is the water that cools the air. This means we'd need a constant circulation of freshwater coming from the cool water in the cisterns into the tanks, and leaving the tanks into the plants. However, the plants wouldn't need as much water as is being constantly replaced from the tanks, meaning we'd have a lot of waste water from the fish. We could run it through the stills a second time and use it again, but that means more petroleum/coal/solar stills.
>>4924I don't know if such a thing or material exists.
c7ea47 No.4956
>>4936>We'd need a cooling system for water, like a cistern, which isn't a bad idea for long term water storage either.My concept is to create gigantic artificial water tables under the earth as I mentioned in a post earlier in this thread. These could be used to pass air through to cool it, like a giant bong.
This air could then be passed through the fish tanks in the aquacultural dome system to cool the fish and collect exhaust gasses from the fish, which then provide the plants the co2 they need.
The 'plasticrete' is another of my ideas. The concept is to mix sand with granulated HDPE and heat it in molds via collected solar radiation, then use the resulting material to build with.
So to recap: this 'plasticrete' would be melted into a huge circular sheet/tub shape. Then earth (a meter?) would be placed over the 'tub', creating a 'water table'. Air would be pushed into this water table, which is filled by solar stills into the dome which houses the fish tanks and the hydro/aeroponic system.
fe992f No.4984
>>4956I definitely like the idea and acknowledge the importance of cistern-type water storage. I just thought of another problem, though. All this pumping water and air everywhere is going to take a lot of energy. That's more coal/petroleum added onto our needs. One thought on what we can do for additional energy is, if we do standard petroleum powered stills, we can set up turbines on the steam flow to collect and recycle as much energy wasted from burned petroleum as possible. This would, of course, increase our start up capital requirements, but it would lower our petroleum dependence making it cheaper as well as adding diversity to our energy sources in case one go's bye bye for some reason.
I definitely also like the plasticrete idea or using something like it to build houses and structures that don't need to be too large or sturdy. A fast, cheap way of providing tons of housing is just what we need.
I don't like the idea of solar stills. They're so inefficient, even with the lens idea, and they don't actually make water drinkable. They only get rid of salt, not pathogens. I believe standard moonshine style stills are necessary for cooking the water and taking it out of the salt. If we don't have an open body of water to cool the steam in, we can run it underground for however so long until it condensates and flows into your water table or cistern or whatever.
c7ea47 No.5002
>>4984> we can set up turbines on the steam flow Exactly. All of these interconnected systems are going to need a LOT of design. I will start working on drawings to make my ideas more clear.
Also, I think that solar stills will require all kinds of modifications, chambers, etc. Including pre-heating elements on the main chamber that automatically start at dawn using stored energy from the turbine on the exit node which works during the daytime. If the ambient temp in the deep desert reaches 100 degrees at peak times, concentrating that heat via giant fresnel lenses to above the boiling point of water should not be too hard within a closed system.
I'm not saying that using chemical combustion for energy should never be used. It will be necessary initially. I just want to aim higher, and use the hostility of the climate to our advantage.
Also, the water from the theoretical solar stills will probably have to be treated with minerals and filtered somehow .
I'm basically just trying to brainstorm with people at this point. The end goal is to begin experimenting with these processes IRL asap in the US
fe992f No.5006
>>5002>drawingsGet to it. I await your return.
>solar stillsWhy use solar stills at all if we have standard stills? Solar stills are less reliable for boiling water, and we can't use them all day every day 24/7. Doesn't matter if it's noon or midnight with standard stills. Maintaining a flame also provides more jobs we can give to nignogs to keep our cover. We have to pay for all of this with startup capital, so rather than wasting money on stills we don't need, we should just go with one or the other. If we already have stills, then we shouldn't waste even more for solar stills.
c7ea47 No.5011
>>5006>Why use solar stills at all if we have standard stills? Because my main interest in this project is to create a new society of sustainability. I think the way we live as humans is, for the most part, stupid and wasteful. It is driven by the value of scarcity. The sun is a constant source of energy, it is free. If we can tap into this constant free source of energy, is this not more poetic than raping the earth for fossil fuel? I am here for real life poetry in action.
So long as I can at least work toward this ideal, I'm in.
93e4be No.5019
>>2458plus the zeatin in coconut milk helps boost the growth of a fair few crops so it'll serve other purposes than terraforming
fe992f No.5020
>>5011Untapped petroleum reserves aren't sustainable for at least long enough for us to have a sizable enough population to become independent? I'm pretty sure we won't have to worry about sustainability for at least 100 years, in which case we'll be dead. We might as well start writing up our constitution and bill of rights right now while we're at it.
I agree that we should eventually be sustainable, but how about we focus on getting off the runway before doing a barrel roll?
As for solar energy, by the time our state is ready for secession, the technology will be much more progressed and efficient. When the time comes, we'll get to it.
The only thing making petroleum expensive due to scarcity is government regulation. Petroleum isn't expensive to the government, and wouldn't be expensive to civilians if the government would push off. This means we're good to go regardless of whether we go with libertarian or natsoc gov't.
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fe992f No.5040
>>5033Yes. I've been growing potatoes for a few years this way now. Basically, adding dirt gives more area for tubers to expand in, and the plant continues to reach upward for the sun. Eventually, you get a huge, tall plant with tubers all the way up.
I'm this fucking Irish 769726 No.5041
>>2538That's true, if we get a sustained water in the desert soil anything will grow within reason
769726 No.5042
>>5040Hah! I'm actually Irish so having potatoes wouldn't be terrible. I'm tempted to try make a potato box myself to see if it works.
Nice one
c7ea47 No.5047
>>5020If we can figure out how to have direct sunlight do most of the work, is this not better than importing chemical fuel, which costs money?
Namibia is one of the most sun-drenched areas of the world.
It would be foolish to not figure out how to make that work for us.
fe992f No.5048
>>5042I wasn't shitting when I said I'm Irish. I'm just too Irish. Like a black guy eating kfc.
769726 No.5051
>>5048Interesting. Cork lad here. Have you figured out a way for us to get Taytos in Namibia?
fe992f No.5058
>>5051>Irish American, not actually in IrelandNope, but potatoes are the most calorie dense food per acre, so we could definitely use them.
769726 No.5064
>>5058It's true. Potatoes are the best. Literally unlimited different ways to cook them.
fe992f No.5068
>>5064>most calories per acre>million different ways to cook>grow quicklyThere's a reason poor potlickers in Murika and Ireland love to grow them.
c7ea47 No.5094
>>5068Don't forget about the latkes!
fe992f No.5106
>>5094Damn those are good. Potatoes are always fuckin good.
c7ea47 No.5109
>>5020I don't like you intimations here.
I just want to immigrate to Namibia and start a new life.
I think it is YOU who is putting the cart before the horse with your ideas of 'secession' and 'constitution', etc.
c7ea47 No.5113
>>5106Also, I am Jack's complete lack of surprise that you love latkes.
SO DO I
fe992f No.5121
>>5109We're all going to start a new life, friend. But a group/country/state can not develop to the point we want without chemical energy resources.
The whole point was to go and begin a colony of successful whites who could develop a successful presence in Africa. Secession and constitutions are inevitable if we are successful. Sustainable energy also is, but I was just trying to say we can't do either before we're ready.
9b8e63 No.5140
>>971There is (what looks to be) a more efficient way invented by a paki, but I am not sure if it is hands free.
>pic relatedIt is a concrete column that is encased in a glass shielding with the glass only being an inch or so away from the concrete.
Basically you have salt water dripping slowly into the top container, it overflows and runs down the concrete walls, because it is a thin stream it is heated faster than a deep pool like in your diagram so more of it is turned to steam. the condensation floats to the glass and builds up and drops into the clean water container at the bottom. the salt water that makes it to the bottom collects in the salt water container. I am not sure if this is feasible because I do not know how they get the salt water back to the top to go through the cycle again. or perhaps there is a way to have a huge container of salt water on a drip feed?
the guy who invented it made it 10 metres high (so it could catch as much sun as possible) and it converted 12 litres per day
9b8e63 No.5144
>>5140>10 metressorry that should be 10 feet.
3.5feet x 1.5feet x 10feet yields 14+ litres per day
769726 No.5148
>>5144designs for distillation are good and all, its just a question of which is most efficient to produce
1819b2 No.6118
>>5140Concrete is extremely expensive. You'd want a cylinder of black steel or plastic.
>>863Those stone domes have been proven not to work, sorry.
>>988Algae farming is a MASSIVE pain in the arse. It requires shitloads of water.
>>996The water vapour is of such load grade that you'd have a hell of a time running a turbine off of it.
>>3730This is not distillation, which specifically refers to boiling the liquid. Rainwater can have pathogens in it.
>>3510You continuously supply fresh saline water to maintain a level of water and conc of salt. CSTR principle.
>>4984Personally, for drinking water, I'm sold on the reverse omosis process. It removes everything from the water, and while it is expensive, the prices have come down enormously recently.
For irrigation water, local solar stills may be the way to go.
For greenhouses, you definitely want to be supplementing with CO2, which is the primary limiting nutrient for modern plants. You can increase the output by around 50%.
Since light is the next limiting nutrient, we can grow stuff like fucking crazy compared to Europe.
http://www.ecomagination.com/ge-powers-first-co2-capturing-greenhouse-in-ushttp://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/00-077.htm 1819b2 No.6119
>>6118Sorry, some crops (Aubergines in this article) are 2-3 TIMES as productive with CO2 supplementation and temperature control.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/6808988/Dutch-aubergine-grower-pipes-carbon-dioxide-into-greenhouses.html c7ea47 No.6547
>>6119Excellent.
>he's getting hot water piped in from the factory, which produces ammonia, to maintain the temperature at a constant 68 degrees F (20C).You can also use ammonia to cool water. I have done it before in circulating cooling tanks for large scale (packaged) food production. The ammonia circulates in tubes within the tanks of water.
We can use the tubes which circulate the ammonia in the fish tanks to transform (exchange) the heat energy.
Sorry if that is not the proper terminology but I'm not engineerfag
f11d30 No.6714
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c7ea47 No.6813
>>6719
There are several ways.
There is huge aquifer under Namibia. This is the easiest access to fresh water.
There are several of us who are interested in figuring out new methods of desalination.
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4ea19b No.7173
>>4911>>4913covering up the fish tanks plus having lower than normal levels in the grow beds would mitigate a lot of vaporization, they can be quite suited to arid environments due to the water not running off into the ground never to be seen again.
I think a mix would be beneficial if not just for the fish but wicking beds are probably king, hence me mentioning them.
>>4923You can do pretty well with a dual layer'd hdpe sheeting greenhouse, you have a blower keeping the two layers separate, it also cycles the hot or cold air out, makes for a good insulator, you don't need crazy materials.
>>4956I love the idea of an artificial water table, it could definitely be expanded and help reverse desertification.
1819b2 No.7209
>>6547It was an ammonia plant. The heat is a waste product, and is transported with water. We wouldn't be producing ammonia, nor using it for cooling.
c7ea47 No.7211
>>7209But why not use ammonia for it's heat exchange properties?
1819b2 No.7219
>>7211They were using waste heat from the ammonia process, we don't have one of those nearby, plus we have an excess of heat anyway.
You don't know if we need cooling. If we need to cool water, you'd have to look at the most efficient way.
Ammonia cycles are generally less efficient than CFC refrigerants.
c7ea47 No.7444
>>7219>Ammonia cycles are generally less efficient than CFC refrigerants.I didn't know that.
Some guys are talking about manufacturing chemicals. Is ammonia difficult to synthesize? It may be better to use it as it is less destructive to the ozone layer compared to CFC's, (I think).
348966 No.7585
>>7444It's pretty easy from a conceptual standpoint.
Technically, getting the costs down to compete with the big players would be…a challenge.
I don't really understand the reasoning behind getting into the chemical business. We need to be able to compete on something. With this aquaponics stuff, we're competing on using shitty land to do things which traditioanlly are impossible.
Think about what resources Namib brings to the table.
Sun
Heat
Space
Sand
Offshore oil
Offshore minerals
Holiday destination
Tax advantages?
Regulatory advantages?
Then you exploit one of those.
For example, sand is in enormous demand in the building industry, because it is critical for cement, yet most beaches now are protected. You have people literally stealing sand from beaches.
However, desert sand is totally unsuitable, because the grains are too smooth. So maybe we could sell the coastal sand to passing container vessels.
If we don't find a niche, we will literally be farmers living in a place no one else wants to. Now, I could do that for a while, but I wouldn't want to necessarily raise a family with prospects like those.
c7ea47 No.7730
>>7585>If we don't find a niche, we will literally be farmers living in a place no one else wants to.Which is sort of the point.
If we can take some of the most inhospitable land on the planet and make it green, would that not be a great accomplishment in and of itself?
c7ea47 No.7867
What happened to OP?
Have you made progress on your hydroponic projects?
105053 No.7883
>>5064can't cook them into watermelon, sub par vegi