/natsoc/ - National Socialism

>>164

Hitler never doubted that he was a socialist. He understood that NS was a better and more plausible form of socialism than that of the communists.

i'm gonna quote Metapedia:

>National Socialism is a worldview which combines ethnic solidarity amongst the people of a nation with socialism, it was realized from 1933 to 1945 as a sovereign national party system in the Greater German Empire. Adolf Hitler erected National Socialism as "the political doctrine of the national community." The basic ideas were a healthy shaping of personalities and a national alturism, contrary to atomised liberal ideas of individualism. The NS worldview is neither "right" nor "left" on the old spectrum, but sees itself as a broad-based popular social nationalist movement and is aimed at involving all classes of the national body for the greater good of the people as a whole.

>>167
You're probably right about Hitler never doubting he was a socialist, but just chiming in to let you know he was completely 100% Grade-A wrong about being a socialist regardless of what he thought or said.

Internationalism is at the core of socialism, you literally can't have socialism unless it's global, since capitalism is a global system and mutually exclusive with socialism. 'National socialism' is exactly as oxymoronic as 'Socialism in one country', and curiously enough both statements were the cover for totalitarian dictatorships that killed millions for no good reason.

If I'm being charitable, that 'beyond left or right' line is because natsoc is a middle-class ideology that emphasises class collaboration, and the 'left-right' axis denotes the antagonism between labour and capital - not that Hitler did anything to resolve that fundamental contradiction in society. If I'm being realistic, the line was some purestrain bullshit cooked up to get the working class to kill and die en masse and against their own interests.

I mean, let's look at a quote: "In our eyes the German youth of the future must be slim and trim, swift as a greyhound, tough as leather and hard as Krupp steel." Krupp steel being the massive corporate entity that was saved by Hitler's re-annexation of the Rhine and massive arms buildup. Dude couldn't even make a speech without thanking his corporate sponsors. Good job on encouraging fitness in the youth, though. He's a regular Michelle Obama, he is.

Anyway, he's not socialist, he's for capitalism - i.e., for keeping the means of production out of the hands of the politically empowered working class. That's basically the only test of whether someone's a socialist, and he failed it. Or passed it, if you hate socialism because you are an idiot nazi baby.

So rest your head, little fuckwit - Hitler did not follow the big bad socialism, he just sort of said he did while being wrong.

Also this entire board defines the scum of the earth and literally everyone including your vaunted and ahistorical 'white race' would be better off if you shitstains would get set alight and die screaming.

Please try to keep your halfwitted bleating in response to this post constructive, too. Shitposts that say nothing but 'hurr jew' or 'hurr degeneracy' don't help anyone, but they do make this place look like a hugbox. Obviously you'll want to hurl insults, and that's fine - I did too. But I tried to weave them in with actual statements. If you can't have good politics, at least have good posting etiquette.

>>177
>Also this entire board defines the scum of the earth and literally everyone including your vaunted and ahistorical 'white race' would be better off if you shitstains would get set alight and die screaming.

Please try to keep your halfwitted bleating in response to this post constructive, too. Shitposts that say nothing but 'hurr jew' or 'hurr degeneracy' don't help anyone, but they do make this place look like a hugbox. Obviously you'll want to hurl insults, and that's fine - I did too. But I tried to weave them in with actual statements. If you can't have good politics, at least have good posting etiquette.

I just wanted to know the whole thing about hitler hating socialists but calling himself one, don't have to be a nigger about it

>>178
There's a couple of things I'm never gonna do in my life, dude: I'm never gonna cross a picket line, and I'm never gonna be nice to a nazi - even if I'm explaining something to him. Deal with it, shithead.

>>179
Im not a nazi, as i said i just wanted to know and knowing this is /natsoc/ who better to go to

>>180
Well if you're not a nazi then I didn't insult you. Have a nice day!

>>179

>you literally can't have socialism unless it's global,

I found another thing you're never gonna do in your life.

>>177
You are clearly a fucking moron.

>Internationalism is at the core of socialism, you literally can't have socialism unless it's global, since capitalism is a global system and mutually exclusive with socialism.

I cannot overstate the cognitive dissonance put into this sentence.

So there's no such fucking thing as a country working together for a common interest? So SOMEHOW since capitalism is global, socialism is global too? What the fuck are you even trying to say? Holy fucking shit you're an idiot. Or are you somehow trying to conclude that, since one of the chief GOALS of the Marxist !!MOVEMENT!! was to establish a one-world system, the socialism that's implied in National Socialism must adhere to that idea?

Holy fuck, either way you're lost.

>>177
>idiot nazi baby
you were doing such a good speech until you had to get your incoherent emotions in the middle of it. If you have to insult it means you are not trully accepting your ideology, it means you think there are big flaws that you don't want to adress.

>>177
>Internationalism is at the core of socialism, you literally can't have socialism unless it's global, since capitalism is a global system and mutually exclusive with socialism. 'National socialism' is exactly as oxymoronic as 'Socialism in one country', and curiously enough both statements were the cover for totalitarian dictatorships that killed millions for no good reason.

Jesus christ this sentence is stupid.

And Hitler was a NATIONAL Socialist, not a "socialist".

>>230
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>>177

This post is completely retarded.

>>164
As to your question, the "Socialism" in National Socialism comes from a brand of Socialsim sometimes referred to as Prussian Socialism. It comes from an array of Prussian intellectuals, and has little or nothing to do with marx.

Prussian Socialism is different from Marxist socialism in several ways, namely in that it that it largely rejects egalitarianism, and things that spring from it, such as mass redistribution of wealth, collective ownership of everything, and the sort of class warfare that is central to marxist socialism.

Attached is the PDF (if I can upload PDFs) of a book by Oswald Spengler that explains a bit about this Prussian Socialism.


>>230
I have a PDF of this too, I'll try and find it.

socialism in a homogeneous nation is very different from socialism in a diverse nation

one works; the other doesn't

Hitler hated capitalism. The entire regime was against it. You guys know shit about Germany.