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For all the Prudes on /natsoc/ Anonymous 12/20/14 (Sat) 22:59:17 No.1708

http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb60.htm

This is a Goebbel's speech basically telling those hellbent on eliminating degeneracy to simmer down:

>Things have gone so far that this company of moralists does not stop at the borders of private life. They would love to establish purity committees in cities and the countryside that would keep on eye on Müller’s and Schulze’s love and marriage life. It is true that they do not want to go so far as to ban kissing altogehter, as in the familiar operetta, since it is too popular a pastime. If it were up to them, however, they would turn National Socialist Germany into a wasteland of muttering and complaining, a place where denunciation, spying, and extortion were the order of the day.

>These same moralists often turn to government offices with the request to ban films, plays, operas, and operettas, since the dancers, stars, etc., apparently represent a grave danger to public decency. If we gave in to their demands, we should soon see only old ladies and men on the screen or the stage. The theaters would be empty, since the public generally does not attend them to see the same people they see in church or old people’s homes.

>Save us from these hypocritical creatures who have no genuine strong conception of life, and who in reality preach no honest morality. They generally are life’s losers, protesting life itself. Eternal life and its laws will hardly make way for them; at most, they will hide behind a screen of contemptible hypocrisy and dishonest prudery.

>They think that the German woman should not go out alone, she should not sit alone in a restaurant, she should not go out with a boy or even an S.A. man without a chaperone for a Sunday afternoon excursion, she should not smoke, she should not drink, she should not wash up and make herself pretty, in short she should do everything to keep the evil interest of a man away from her. That is, at least, is how these midget moralists think a German woman should behave. And woe to the poor womanly creature who has the misfortune to transgress against one of these laws. Of course, no German woman will have bobbed hair, since only Jewesses and other contemptible creatures do that.

>They think it is not National Socialist to enjoy life; but rather one should only look at the dark side of human existence. Pessimism and suspicion are the best teachers in our earthly vale of sorrows. A true National Socialist has no cause to protect these miserable creatures. Primitiveness and absolute rejection of pleasure are the only character values to these people. If one has a clean and a dirty collar, one puts the dirty one on to give evidence of his hatred of bourgeois values. A man with a good and a bad suit wears the bad one, particularly for festive occasions, for it shows the astonished world how revolutionary his outlook is. He dislikes joy and laughter; people should have nothing to laugh about.

>No one can suspect us of wanting to live lives of ostentation or luxury. The Führer and many of his close comrades neither smoke nor drink nor enjoy sumptuous living. Those, however, who want to rob a nation of sixty million of every pleasure and all traces of optimism are contemptible, entirely aside from the fact that their foolish desires would drive countless people into poverty and misery.

>To take joy and pleasure from a people means to make it unfit for its struggle for its daily bread.

>We do not want to abolish pleasure, but rather to let as many as possible share in it. That is why we encourage people to attend the theater, that is why we give workers the opportunity to dress well for festive occasions. That is the reason behind Kraft durch Freude. That is why we shake off the agents of a prudish hypocrisy, why we do not allow decent, hard-working people who have every reason to need relief from their hard daily labors, who need to reaffirm life, to recover from the weariness, cares, and burdens of every day, to have their necessary pleasures ruined by the eternal chicanery of these pedants.

Anonymous 12/20/14 (Sat) 23:07:57 No.1710

>>1708
Only as long as its approved by the propaganda ministers. You faggots know there is no real freedom of anything under a dictatorship…right?

Anonymous 12/20/14 (Sat) 23:21:31 No.1714

>>1710
I take it you either didn't read this, or did, and it went over your head.

The point of this speech was to tell people, of the sort who have "would x be allowed in a natsoc society" threads, that NatSoc is not about cracking down on every little pastime or expression. The point of this speech wasn't so that people would go "Okay, girls can smoke, okay, guys can dress nice…" these were examples.

The point is to live heroically if you are capable of that, and don't worry about people who decide to live for themselves. Hence the title, "More Morality, Less Moralism".

Anonymous 12/21/14 (Sun) 08:19:05 No.1715

Friendly reminder that Goebbels was an asshole who cheated on his wife, neglected his kids, and alienated everyone around him. His opinion means shit.

On the other hand, you confuse disdain for hedonism and wanting moderation. No NatSoc is out to ban kissing. It's possible to enjoy life without being a whore or deadbeat and there's no reason to jump to extremes if entertainment doesn't call for it.

>>1710
Go back to your containment board.

Anonymous 12/21/14 (Sun) 17:44:29 No.1717

>>1715
I haven't done a whole lot of research on Göbbels' personal life, so I'll have to look that up.

As to the rest of your post, yes. This precisely. I have one or two drinks a night to relax. Does this make me a filthy alcoholic? No. I enjoy the pleasures of BDSM from time to time. Does this make me a sex-crazed degenerate? No. Do I realize what is degeneracy, and do I take active steps to avoid it and discourage others from participating? Yes.

Degeneracy and other social problems must be fought on a subtle front, not through breastbeating and going overboard with the entire thing.

Anonymous 12/25/14 (Thu) 23:02:39 No.1749

I think many people let on too much about their private lives, at least in America. I have heard Europe is different though. Anyway, I think that one's private life should be just that -private. What I consider to be degenerate is people speaking aloud and publicly about their sex lives, and quite frankly, the only reason it is done is for attention. If we could take the entire concept of sex itself down from the high pedestal of worship of which it has been placed and put it back into the realm of basic human instinct where it belongs, then we could all get back to doing more productive things.

Anonymous 12/28/14 (Sun) 00:57:06 No.1764

>>1749
What I consider to be degenerate for MY country is:

the drug culture that turns the youth into slobs and criminals,

the homosexuality acceptance allowing gay men to parade themselves through the streets,

the tattoo 'ink' culture turning people into circus freaks,

the rap and hip hop music 'gangster' culture that promotes criminal activity and drug use,

the current fashion trends and how its turning women and young girls into sluts who wear little to nothing,

the intermixing/race mixing that destroys races and ancestral history,

>>1708

If OP is saying for me not to care about stopping these things in my country just because of Goebbel's perspective that women should be allowed to smoke and go to theaters with SA men,

Well thats too bad

Anonymous 12/31/14 (Wed) 06:27:42 No.1776

>>1764
OP here. The way I see it, most of these are problems simply because things which have always existed to some level amidst some portion of the populace (substance use, gayness, etc.) gets blown up to new levels of popularity and severity due to the Jew-infested institutional networks we face.

My personal take on being a natsoc, aided by this Goebbels speech, is that the large institutions should be geared towards totalitarian, state-developed culture. People decide on their own how much to identify with this culture in private, and can partake in "degeneracy" and associate with others at a small scale in pursuit of such a lifestyle.

I see natsoc as being the correction of Judeo-capitalism exploiting natural, though I guess errant, fixations of man, and satisfying the demand (and even manufacturing demand) with a nauseatingly vile product.

I do make one exception though, and that is with racial mixing, which should be wiped out entirely.

Anonymous 01/02/15 (Fri) 02:49:16 No.1792

Let us forget the Fatherland for a moment mein Brüdern. How many of you know someone that has a vice? A "degeneracy" that they partake in from time to time yet never indulge in to excess? True degeneracy in vices comes from excess not recreation.