/natsoc/ - National Socialism

>>638
>>644

Until you read Gottfried Feder's book on "Debt Interest Slavery" then you will have no idea what NatSoc is about because this book was written in 1919 before the founding of the DAP / NSDAP and it basically explains what NatSoc set out to achieve as an economic ideology. So READ THIS BOOK before you post here (click on the pdf link at the web page below to download it):

https://archive.org/details/GottfriedFederManifestoForTheAbolitionOfInterestSlavery


You have to understand that the founders of National Socialist ideology are Gottfried Feder and Dietrich Eckart and not Hitler (Feder and Eckart are for NS similar to what Marx and Engels are for Communism).

Just like Communism has a fight between Trotsky and Stalin, NatSoc has a fight between Hitler and Strasser.

I dislike a lot of the things that Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf, I especially dislike the part at the very end of the book in the chapter on Russia where he said that he thought that "Slavic Race" Russians were less valuable than "Germanic Race" Russians.

tl;dr there are a lot of NatSoc people who dislike and/or hate Hitler but this is more common among German NatSoc (lots of German NS hate Hitler because they blame him for losing the war) and is very rare among non-German NatSoc.

>>638
NS was leftwing. It's just that it was also somewhat realpolitik, so Hitler often did what worked instead what the ideology demanded. If he only had done the same by bombing Britain into the stone age! Oh well.

Even today, Euro NatSoc is pretty to the left. It's the elephant in the room people want to hide at any cost, but it becomes obviousy by chance now and then: For example, during the last elections in Germany, commies found out that the ideology that fits them second best is that of the NPD, our neo-natsoc party. The immigrant question is pretty much the only area where they and Die Linke (Our commie party) disagree. The butthurt was hilarious.

How did they find out? Well, we have an internet site that asks you questions about your politics and then compares your answers to political parties.

>>764
>I never understood the concept of Strasserismus. Is it some form of economical only National Socialism?

Nope, you have it wrong. You have to read this book first:

http://www.amazon.com/Manifesto-Abolition-Enslavement-Interest-Gottfried-ebook/dp/B009Q85R32/

so that you can understand what National Socialism is about and then you will understand that Hitler only implemented it half way and he did not stick literally to Gottfried Feder's manifesto or to the 25 point program (Hitler thought these ideas were general guidelines that he could change as he wanted to whereas the Strasser followers took Feder's book more literally and were upset that it was not fully implemented).

Also watch this video that explains it more also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqlWZwfH7Fk

Natsoc economics is an underrated subject. I think it should be elaborated on more and I will read The Abolition of Interest Slavery to become more educated on the matter.

>>772
Would you have by chance a pdf copy of the book? I can only seem to find free german versions and no free copies in english.

>>865
>Would you have by chance a pdf copy of the book? I can only seem to find free german versions and no free copies in english.

Yes, at the link below you will find a free copy of the Gottfried Feder book on NatSoc economic theory written in English

https://7chan.org/lit/src/Feder-InterestSlavery-trans_Hadding_Scott.pdf

This ^^ book is the foundation of both the "Strasserism" and the "Hitlerism" versions of "National Socialism" and you can use this book as a blueprint to make your own kind of National Socialist philosophy for your own country and your own ethnic group just like Strasser and Hitler tried to do.

For example, if you read Mein Kampf, Hitler mentions over and over again that to defeat the Marxist Weltanschauung you need to replace it with another, different Weltanschauung, but Hitler does not go in to a huge amount of detail explaining what the new "National Socialist" Weltanschauung is other than to say that he acquired this new world view while attending a lecture that was given by Gottfried Feder (and later reading pamphlets and other documents written by Gottfried Feder and Anton Drexler). So when Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in collaboration with Emil Maurice and Rudolf Hess, it was like he was assuming that the people who buy Mein Kampf were already NSDAP members and thus they would have already read Feder's book (which was published years earlier in 1919) and thus it is assumed that the people who were reading Mein Kampf would already be familiar with Feder's ideas (which is one of the reasons why Mein Kampf is such a confusing book).

>>638
Strasserism is okay, but every Strasserist I've everr met is very pretentious about his ideology, most are completely against White Nationalism or even Cultural Nationalism. (Just my personal experience)

>>927

I thought you had to be WN to be Strasserite. I thought the entire thing making it third position was left wing economics plus right wing social views? If you replace that with left wing social views, then you are just a lefty through and through.

>>927
>Strasserism is okay, but every Strasserist I've everr met is very pretentious about his ideology, most are completely against White Nationalism or even Cultural Nationalism.

Hasbara shill, please go. The different between Strasserism and Hitlerism is that Strasserism follows Gottfried Feder's book and the 25 point program of the NSDAP literally whereas Hitlerism thinks that these are "general guidelines" that don't necessarily have to be followed all the way. ==VOLKISCH ETHNICITY-BASED NATIONALISM IS IMPLIED IN POINT 5 OF THE 25 POINT PROGRAM WHERE IT SAYS THAT ONLY SOMEONE WHO IS A MEMBER OF THE RACE CAN BE A CITIZEN==

Seriously shill, please read the 25 point program here:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/25points.asp

and please read Gottfried Feder's book here:

https://7chan.org/lit/src/Feder-InterestSlavery-trans_Hadding_Scott.pdf

and then realize that the feud between Hitlerism and Strasserism is that Strasserism sees Hitler as deviating from the 25 point program that I linked to in my post.

So if you read point 5 of the 25 point program you will realize that they do allow non-Germans and non-whites to live in a German NS state as "guests" but only people who are genetically German get the full rights of citizenship in that state, and the same thing would go for an NS Japanese state or an NS Polish state or an NS Hungarian state, etc. etc.

>>927
I'm a Strasserist, against White Nationalism but I support cultural nationalism. This is because I'm an American, and since America is a nation of immigrants race need not interfere with nationalism, I'm much more concerned with the degenerate culture surrounding blacks and others, since we have seen examples of certain blacks transcending that culture. Being black and American is fine as long as your black identity does not interfere with your American identity.

The exception to this is the Jews, who are historically stateless and have never been patriotic members of a society, since they hold themselves to be a protected and privileged chosen people.

>>973
>I'm a Strasserist, against White Nationalism but I support cultural nationalism…since America is a nation of immigrants race need not interfere with nationalism,

No, you are not a Strasserist and you have no frickin idea what you are talking about. ==Read point #4 and point #5 of the 25 point program where it says ONLY A MEMBER OF THE RACE CAN BE A CITIZEN. Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.==

The tl;dr is that in Strasserism (like in all kinds of NS) it is ok for white Europeans and for black Africans to live next door to eachother and live in the same neighborhood and go to the same school and work in the same place, but only the African-American Volksgenossen would have full citizenship (right to vote and hold political office) in the African-American ethnostate and only European Americans would have full citizenship and right to vote and hold political office in the European ethnostate (Volksgemeinschaft). So in a Strasserist future for the USA, you could maybe keep the Federal government the way it is, but some of the 50 states within the union would have a 100% black government with only African-Americans being allowed to vote and hold political office and be police officers in those states whereas some other states in the union might have a 100% European government with only people of European descent voting and holding political offices in those states. Doing this eliminates racial conflict because you no longer have African-Americans claiming "whitey is oppressing me" while you also no longer have Asian Americans and European Americans claiming that African-Americans are welfare leeching off of them.

>>978
German natsoc and American natsoc can't be compared to each other because they are developed for two different peoples. Being part of he American people is not restricted by race except for Jews

>>950
This all seems kind of like the difference between loose construction and strict construction of the US Constitution, where loose was "if doesn't say I can't, I can" and strict was "If it doesn't say I can, I can't"

>>973
>>980
You rode off the fascist train and are now into some place of the hard left like national bolshevism or something. Once you abandon the concept of nationality and embrace everyone of all backgrounds as long as they worship the state you have left our ranks.

And no, there is no difference between american or european. A real national socialist realize that the existence of America is a corrupt abomination in its present form, and was founded on weak principles regarding determining culture, nationality, immigration, and language. None of which it has firmly established from the start and now suffers the consequence. The USA needs to balkanize, this is what an american national socialist believes.

>>638
>>644
>>764
>I never understood the concept of Strasserismus. Is it some form of economical only National Socialism?
>>772

Can somebody convert this two hour long youtube lecture by Niflson on Strasserism in to an mp3 format:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnGBVGW-50A

That audio lecture is somewhat tainted by the American idea of "white nationalism" as is promulgated by a certain American whose last name means "butcher" in German, but it is still interesting to listen to.

> I dislike a lot of the things that Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf, I especially dislike the part at the very end of the book in the chapter on Russia where he said that he thought that "Slavic Race" Russians were less valuable than "Germanic Race" Russians.

This. Hitler would have won the war if he'd allied himselves with ALL nationalist-orientated Slavic nations and treated the people he liberated in Russia as his natural allies. His downfall was chauvinism against many of his fellow Europeans.

Nobody has brought up Otto Strasser's book: Germany Tomorrow. Here's the entire thing in .pdf form:

https://archive.org/stream/germanytomorrow019874mbp/germanytomorrow019874mbp_djvu.txt

>>2141

Mussolini was into race before Hitler was.

>>744
> For example, during the last elections in Germany, commies found out that the ideology that fits them second best is that of the NPD, our neo-natsoc party. The immigrant question is pretty much the only area where they and Die Linke (Our commie party) disagree. The butthurt was hilarious.

Nice dubs. Do you have a source on this? I would love to read it.

>commies are what they hate