d2724b No.2032
I've completed my work with getting Infinity Next to support PostgreSQL (I think, at least ...) which is a huge step forward towards our Open Beta, which I still hope to have by November 9th. With this considerable burden now off my mind, I will take a breather and try to answer some questions and deal with complaints.
YOU WILL NOT BE USING NEXT ON THE 9TH
8chan is not going to be running Infinity Next on November 9th. There will be a LIVE BETA that imports some or all of 8chan's current database and lets people try out the software as if it did switch over so we can make changes before it does go live.
What will happen on the 9th?
Infinity Next will be deployed on a server owned by 2channel using a near-production environment. It will exist on a subdomain of 8ch.net (like beta.8ch.net) and will import some, if not all, of 8chan's database so that you can play around with features as if it were a live site. It will not be live until December.
Open Beta IS. NOT. the final product
copypaste is hurrying things through the pipe and I am going to have an inadequate amount of time to redress complaints before the open beta begins. During the month of testing I will rush to complete missing features by importance, as decided by me and copypaste.
Launch Date IS. NOT. the final product
I wanted a December 25th release. That's not happening. copypaste said he's going to use Next by December not matter what. This means I have to double time to get things done. This also means it won't be 100% by the day 8chan is using it on 8ch.net live. We will still be making changes months, probably even years after we start using it.
The design IS. NOT. the final product
I'm still tweaking the design. I'll be tweaking it long after release. I have a big fucking list of things that piss even me off about the design and I will continuously be changing it to get it working as well as I can get it on all forms of device. If you don't like it, I still love you and that's fine, because ...
YOU WILL be able to change styling
I will incorporate a custom CSS and JS tool, at latest by the release. That is one of the most important features to both me and copypaste. My whole intent with the front-end is to give something that people can style to flavor. I've positioned HTML elements so that it's easy to regress the form to its normal state (top of the page), and communicate with skinners so that I can know what I need to add to get the website looking like BOs / users want it to. Just because I think something you don't like looks good does not mean I am revoking your ability to change it. It's your computer, you can do whatever the fuck you want with it.
I DO NOT DECIDE what goes on 8chan
copypaste / Hotwheels does. He will fork infinity-next from infinity-next/infinity-next to ctrlcctrlv/infinity-next and make whatever crazy hacks, changes, and design modifications he wants. If you think I'm some reprehensible cunt who can't design shit, you're in luck: I don't own 8chan.
"IS THIS FEATURE MISSING?"
Yes. A lot of front-end features are not implemented. I'm sorry. I'm way behind where I want to be on the JavaScript widget feature parity. I am continuously working on that. I know a lot of quality of life shit is not present on Next at the moment, which is scary considering how close to the wire we are getting, but I'm not going to forget these important things that people (myself included) use every day.
I have complaints / suggestions about the design
If you have objective criticism I encourage you to email me with complaints. If you use screenshots to show me how something can be done better, you are much more likely to convince me that you are right.
Common complaints are OPs having post boxes and there being missing <hr> elements between threads. I completely disagree with those items. I've tried demoing Infinity Next without OP backgrounds and with lines, and I absolutely hated it. I find those things visually irritating. The main issue is that it's somewhat more difficult to tell threads apart on the index page now, and I agree, but lazily throwing in page breaks does not resolve the issue. Having OPs without boundary boxes causes them to bleed together when they do not have replies (especially if they do not have images). I have demonstrated these concepts on dev/infinity/ and am confident that this way is better, but still seek out ways to help threads pop against each other. This is the kind of feedback that is valuable. Caplocks rage goes into the dumpster.
Why can I make accounts?
In Next, your one account can be used to own multiple boards and have multiple moderator positions. Registration is abstracted from board creation, but it is not required for anything the typical user cares about.
Why does file uploading start before I submit a post?
The file uploader is actually really cool. If you're uploading an image / webm / song that already exists, the checksum is bounced against the server, and if it's found, you don't need to upload at all. This saves bandwidth and makes it so that if your post fails you don't need to wait a second time. I'll add a feature to turn this off in the soon-to-be JS Options panel, but you'd really be missing out on a great piece of technology.
CAPTCHA!?!?!
A captcha is in some form required to prevent bot spam. The one we have right now is 3~6 letters and is required once per hour or once per ten posts (as a demonstration of the system). If you see a captcha after posting, that's because the post form doesn't update after the requirement is lifted. You can add nothing at all the second time you post. The post form updating to show requirements is an immediate to-do.
I hate CAPTCHAs.
Ye we all do, but an automated turing test is required to keep out spam and advertisements that degrade the quality of life for everyone on the website. It helps with a lot of things. Improving the captcha is a big priority of mine and our captcha system is actually its own thing, so if more people use what we've built on their own projects, Infinity Next will reap those benefits automatically.
4chan bans all public IPs and requires a captcha on all pages or $10 for a pass, which is then tied to every post you make so it can be revoked if you are a spammer who paid for a pass. You either identify yourself by using a domestic IP your ISP will keep track of, or you identify yourself via credit information.
Google's system ties to your account. Forums don't often require captchas but on registration. We can't make it so that posting with an account requires no captcha, because then we'd have to tie posts to accounts, and that's pretty fucking gay tbh. Next tags no identifying information to your content except on posts, and even that is automatically pruned once every 2 weeks or so. This severely limits what options we have to deter spammers.
In short, there is nothing we can do to eliminate the need for a captcha. We can only make them better, easier, less intrusive, and have them respect your privacy. If you are PHP developer and have an interest in turing tests, here is our project:
https://github.com/infinity-next/brennan-captcha
I'll update this posts if I see more duplicate questions or concerns.
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eaeb22 No.2249
This op extending shit when you hover over a thread in the catalog is absolutely disgusting.
d2724b No.2250
Okay, I get it, the catalog looks bad. It hasn't changed in 3 fucking months.
eaeb22 No.2251
>>2250
Then you should probably fucking change it.
d2724b No.2252
>>2251
Got a lotta other shit to do buddy before playing with stylesheets becomes an option.
eed601 No.2256
>>2190
I'd like an answer on this too.
Randomised boards of the week with some sort of requirement to have at least 1pph?
eed601 No.2257
>>2211
>Giving visibility to small boards is huge to me
It was tried by hiding the top 20 boards but that only hurt everyone.
I'd certainly like to see some new way for the smaller boards to get some advertising.
>>2227
>If you're talking about Infinity Next's captcha, be aware it only requires 1 per hour or per 10 posts. We will lift this to probably 1 per day or per 100 posts. I also have an idea of doing it 1 per week or per 100 posts PER BOARD, so if you post on /v/ you'll only need to bust the turing test once, but if you post on /b/ and /pol/ you'll do it 2 more times.
Sounds good to me. 1 per week would be perfect but it might be a little too lenient.
>>2249
If it's going to stay it needs to have a limit on how far it will extend certainly.
>>2252
As long as the feedback is taken onboard it's all good.
It's a lot less fun when /v/ aren't going crazy.
27c067 No.2258
>>2252
Hey Josh, have you read about IPFS? I'm wondering if you will try to implement it once it hits version 0.4.0. It'll be a great way to reduce bandwidth costs, DDoS attacks and even drop CloudFlare since it would be unnecessary.
8ed624 No.2259
>>2241
He's right, it really was a stupid thread. I don't even agree with all the decisions made with NEXT but come on.
8ed624 No.2260
>>2258
0.4.0 is going to hit far sooner than NEXT is stable, it probably wouldn't be smart to sidetrack NEXT development in such a fundamental way at this stage.
Also, I don't think IPFS will actually be a valid option until ipfs.js and the pub/sub systems are done.
18e461 No.2265
I've mostly slept off any real anxiety about the coming switch I have by now.
I don't even need a response to this post and I do appreciate the amount of work you're doing for us.
But I've still gotta nag about the captcha.
I understand that it won't end up just like 4chan overnight, but 4chan got to the way it is by pushing it a little farther each time.
I will never not carry a lot of trepidation about the issue. It will always bother me in a serious way to see more captchas as opposed to less.
I lurk all day and one an hour is going to be about the same as one a post at times for me. That's devastating going from not having to do it the majority of the time.
>>2227
>>2243
However that actually does sound like basically even less captcha than we have now. I hope it works out that way.
I'm sorry I've been on edge for the past two days but this was really chapping my hide.
d2724b No.2268
d2724b No.2269
>>2256
I already answered it.
And Adventure mode does exactly what you're asking for. Try it. Use the website before asking questions and for features.
eed601 No.2271
>>2269
>Use the website before asking questions and for features
Never.
I tried it so fair enough. Some option for a poster to choose to hide the rocket would be nice but optional.
eed601 No.2272
>>2271
Though I might include something on the homepage explaining what it is and what it does (and pointing to the button).
449207 No.2282
>>2268
Captcha on every post should be standard.
moot was right about that.
minor inconvenience for big reward.
e7e8b1 No.2286
I'm concerned about the security and privacy of users. If 8chan was compromised, could user's IP addresses be vulnerable?
If InfinityNext more secure or less secure than what we have now, or is there no difference?
I like the "recent posts" feature because it helps smaller boards. I do wonder how "worksafe" the images will be, though.
>>2227
>The ad placeholders just exist as placeholders and don't indicate what Jim and copy will want, only what the design is templated to support.
Thank you for explaining.
> My idea with this is that cp spammers try to do 1 thread per board for max exposure, so this will inconvenience them the most while not troubling the average anon much at all.
That's good to know; knowing the circumstances and the reasoning is good, because it's tweaked to be as unobtrusive as it can be while still stopping spam.
I do hope that the final version only shows the box when it the captcha needs to be solved.
a4c2f1 No.2288
>>2287
It's part of CloudFlare's DDoS protection.
e7e8b1 No.2289
>>2288 (Checked)
Weird; I've never seen it before.
It looks like the file size limit rules have changed, which I like.
I worry about DMCA requests, though. If 8chan keeps user IP addresses, users could have their information shared.
Since changing IP retention policy after the fact is more difficult (anons paying attention to the TPP might share my concerns) I'd prefer that the default be to save only ip hashes.
My concern is that anons posting content that violates no copyrights could still end up with their IP addresses being shared.
eed601 No.2294
>>2286
Maybe limit recent posts to SFW boards?
Of course most boards are nsfw and the BOs may not enforce it anyway.
e7e8b1 No.2297
>>2294
That could work. Or at least have it as an option.
Spoilered images should also be omitted.
If nothing else, it might be an incentive for small sfw boards to tag themselves as such.
000000 No.2300
Is whoever is in charge of /kappa/ posting their css anywhere?
I can only find the one posted on infinitechan twitter which is an older version. Figured I'd ask here since you're more likely to know than anyone else.
eed601 No.2301
>>2297
You'd have to enforce the removal of the SFW tag on NSFW boards but I suppose that isn't a huge negative all considered.
That or make it possible to blacklist a small board that is incorrectly labelled sfw from the recent posts system.
1957be No.2306
>>2032
Le remède au chaos n'est pas dans ce chaos.
Just sayin'.
With that out of the way, I think I can take a big step ongoing beta test replacement system in stride. I have only a few concerns.
1. How will the current Board Owners be transitioned over to the new system? A seamless switchover with same passwords. etc?
Are there any requirements or actions they need to take now?
Not all of the BOs have a presence in IRC or even email contact information on file with HW. Few manage big named boards, but they all do care and want some assurance of continuity. The BVs care too, but as long as the BOs transition correctly they can reconstitute the board staff on their own.
2. Not all the BOs are fully public with board settings, logs, etc. Are these options to be carried over to the new system, or is this a planned regression to board management options?
8chan as a whole doesn't like hiding stuff, but that should be between the users and the BOs, not arbitrarily imposed by the developer(s).
51b42c No.2308
Where the fuck is the beta link?
eed601 No.2309
>>2308
Beneath the catalog link at the top of the page nigger.
I'll grant it could be a little clearer.
51b42c No.2310
>>2309
Isn't that just the normal infinity dev board? I though today 8chan itself was going to be copied onto the new software.
c21fe8 No.2311
>>2310
It's supposed to go into a beta phase with partial or complete database retention(?) or movement.
>8chan is not going to be running Infinity Next on November 9th. There will be a LIVE BETA that imports some or all of 8chan's current database and lets people try out the software as if it did switch over so we can make changes before it does go live.
>Infinity Next will be deployed on a server owned by 2channel using a near-production environment. It will exist on a subdomain of 8ch.net (like beta.8ch.net) and will import some, if not all, of 8chan's database so that you can play around with features as if it were a live site. It will not be live until December.
eed601 No.2312
>>2310
More miscommunication I'm afraid.
This is why I've said it was a good thing we had this shitstorm now and not in December.
There is a solid month to change anything that will really upset people.
c1832c No.2313
Will everything in the beta site get deleted after it's over?
Basically, can I fuck my board up in the beta site without the fear of it being permanent? (assuming we're transferring accounts and everything)
606bc5 No.2314
>>2300
Sorry, but I decided to make my CSS proprietary due to the high demand of a good UI. I am already negotiating the price with hotwheels and josh.
933259 No.2318
When is the captcha for every post getting removed again?
Also, why can't you post with just a capcode?
It seems if I try to post with the BO capcode it forces me to post with my owner nickname, which is fucking gay.
b762d2 No.2319
I've always heard of Anon's fabled bitchiness, but this is my first time seeing it in action. Holy shit some of you are acting like children.
>>2032
Will you be making an announcment when the live beta goes live and give a link to it?
Also, will the accounts made on the beta transfer over to the live site in December?
eed601 No.2320
>>2318
>It seems if I try to post with the BO capcode it forces me to post with my owner nickname, which is fucking gay.
Fucking gay is a silly nickname anon.
933259 No.2325
>>2320
Hue.
No but seriously there seems to be far too much tripfaggotry exuding from the current mod screen. Almost looks like a forum profile
You did it on purpose, didn't you Josh?
27c067 No.2328
Josh, why did you add horizontal lines when the updated crown of OPs do the job now and look good?
eed601 No.2330
>>2327
>>2310
>>2309
Well that answers that question (and it appears I was wrong).
Josh you nigger update the link at the top of the page.
df9762 No.2333
>>2327
Well, at least the site isn't freezing and stuttering because of loading 1800 replies.
11ba27 No.2334
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>>2333
There are no images so it's not really surprising.
But now that I've broken the captcha I'd say it's a good idea to disable it.
df9762 No.2336
>>2334
Even without images, vichan will begin freezing around 500 replies and 750 is when shit goes really bad.
Also, how'd you break the captcha? Hotwheels was pretty proud of it.
11ba27 No.2339
>>2336
>Also, how'd you break the captcha? Hotwheels was pretty proud of it.
Oh, I'm not here to help Josh, I'm just making fun of him.
933259 No.2340
>>2331
I'd just make a single account and have it shared. So it would seem like just one mod but really all the mods share that account.
Hilariously enough that would bring us back to how things were in the very beginning.
8b91d3 No.2341
Seriously, why is Josh still not announcing this shit to at least the top boards? No one looks at that tiny link underneath the catalog button which doesn't even link to the beta version right now.
Let people know this shit is up now so that people can fuck around with it and give you more feedback you dense nigger.
27c067 No.2342
The beta doesn't even look like the updated version that is on his site, they should have been more prepared.
eed601 No.2343
>>2341
>>2342
I think a few days to take stock of the current feedback and the fallout from the /v/ rage incident first would be good.
Implement the simple changes to the interface then make a site-wide announcement asking for feedback on the beta.
f6d28d No.2344
>>2300
I uploaded it here
http://beta.8ch.net/x/style.css
I think thats as close to the current 8chan theme as I can get it to look.
8b91d3 No.2345
>>2343
But at least tell people the bloody thing is up and where they can find it.
This shit is beyond retarded, and he wonders why people get angry at him.
eed601 No.2346
>>2345
I'm the first to say that clear communication is a problem with next (indeed I may have been slightly fanatical on that earlier).
I still think the current situation is a major improvement and that Josh is at least listening to complaints.
A clear, site-wide announcement is needed for proper feedback but I think waiting a few days and fixing the most basic of interface issues will prevent a repeat of the /v/ css rage which won't achieve anything but anger and frustration on both sides.
If we give Josh a chance to address the most common complaints as in this thread >>2270 then make the sitewide announcement directing anons to the beta we'll actually get feedback on the actual issues that matter instead of more argument about interface shit.
tl;dr get the beta appearance issues resolved before asking for feedback on day to day usage.
eed601 No.2347
>>2346
Also I fucking love the ability to bold shit and have no idea how I lived without it on halfchan.
Nigger
df9762 No.2348
>>2339
But Josh didn't even make the captcha, hotwheels did.
e7e8b1 No.2352
>>2309
The top and bottom bar cuts off on the beta site, instead of using multiple lines with breaks.
I can't even change things on [options] because it cuts off before that.
e7e8b1 No.2354
>>2352
Also, I don't understand and therefore do not like the new text formatting symbols.
eed601 No.2355
>>2354
>>2352
You're asking the wrong person nigger.
Josh (if he's awake) is the one with the answers I'm just here to demand unreasonable changes.
300217 No.2360
>>2120
>Shit, I make quite enough money
ZE JEWS!
8e531a No.2361
So basically no one can post images right now correct?
000000 No.2362
d2724b No.2366
I want to thank whichever one of you fucking morons started linking "beta.8ch.net" all over the place. That is an extraordinarily old copy of the software that copypaste set up about 3 months ago.
So now on top of sheer, unadulterated rage I have people completely misinformed reporting bugs that don't fucking exist and were fixed about 6 weeks ago.
390964 No.2367
>>2366
>blaming users for something only hotwheels has control over
stay retarded.
2de781 No.2368
>>2343
>/v/ rage incident
Care to explane?
5a87cf No.2369
>>2368
on sunday, when 8ch was down more than likely, users on 8ch took to infinitynext as a temporary housing until the home site came back up once again. At that time, the users of the site saw multiple things wrong with the current CSS for infinitynext and posted thier gripes in a /v/ sticky until the developer of infinitynext himself, Josh, came to see what was going on. the complaints brought forward were brought about in a brash manner (as it always has been scince possibly the dawn of imageboards) and Josh responded back in a similar way, eventually leaving back to take feedback from /next/ and chat on an IRC channel. The entire incident showed a severe lack of proper communication between the majority of site users and the development of infinitynext that is still prevalent ( >>2366 ).
d2724b No.2370
>>2369
Ah mate, I'm sincerely apologetic that two twenty year olds living on the other side of the planet have failed to tap into the fucking hivemind to communicate properly. Let me throw my hundreds of thousands of dollars that I have on hiring a Customer Service Representative so that future issues are paved out more expediently.
I wake up at the tail end of everybody's day in the US and the first thing I see is 10 bug reports over IRC about the "new 8chan beta site" not working. How would you feel? So now, instead of plugging in these fucking changes you want, I'm writing this shit to tell you how my day's going.
There is no live beta site. If you want Next as it stands, use Infintiy Dev.
489848 No.2371
>>2366
Josh, in the OP of this thread you directly name the beta subdomain, so naturally people are going to go investigate. Effectively, you are the one who linked it.
You can say "chill guys, that's an old version" and leave it at that, instead of sperging out on people for an honest mistake.
I know you are under a lot of pressure because you are doing a shitload of work and have thousands of users who are going to be affected by your work, but honestly a lot of the probelms you seem to have could either be easily avoided or quickly explained without raging so hard.
Instead of trying to make a bunch of new features and layout changes before you even have most of the existing functionality recreated, you really should have done a straight up Infinity clone but with all the great back-end performance imrpovements first and foremost. That way, after this familiar environment for users has been extensively tested and approved, you could start to suggest and demonstrate new changes to the site we already know and love.
Much easier than spending all day trying to defend layout changes to people who see that Infinity Next currently has a fraction of the functionality found on Infinity.
d2724b No.2372
>>2371
Anything "new" took 30 fucking seconds to make mate. That's the idea. The new random feature that only considers boards with recent activity and encourages people to look around with little rocket ships? That was done in an afternoon and I haven't had to touch it since. The front page? Took like an hour. It took 30 minutes to build the featured post system.
This is how shit works when you have a framework. "New" features are just me going, "I bet I can do this easy now", and doing it. Everything else is just attempting to reach feature parity by going a different road.
489848 No.2373
>>2372
It's not about how easy it is.
It's about the perception of priorities. New features taking priority over basic stuff like back-links or hover-previews for posts just makes people question the direction the work is taken, even if you have the best of intentions.
ebf995 No.2376
>u have tooken a wrong turn
No, I just found it because I am desperate for a site with simple functionality
86cb5b No.2384
>>2360
I aint even jewish, I'm Irish. Don't tell my employers though.
eed601 No.2396
>>2370
>There is no live beta site. If you want Next as it stands, use Infintiy Dev.
Did not know this. I though the beta was going to be located somewhere else?
The impression most were under was that 'beta.8ch.net' was the live beta.
d2724b No.2409
>>2396
Yes, and that link was posted nowhere. Some genius guessed "beta.8ch.net" because some other genius lied and said that the beta was definitely absolutely going to be on the 9th when it was "at least" date. As in, the best possible scenario was November 9th. So now I have a bunch of people whose first impressions are from this shit copy of Next that doesn't even have fucking attachments when the live demo site has been on the goddamn top of the page for 6 fucking months.
We ARE NOT IN BETA. You'll know when we are in beta. We were hoping to have it done by today but copypaste formatted the wrong server and he's been fucking around with different makes of PHP or some shit. I got the PostgreSQL stuff done, and even submitted a patch to the Laravel framework regarding it.
https://github.com/laravel/framework/issues/10847
https://github.com/laravel/framework/pull/10857
https://github.com/laravel/framework/issues/10863
Hopefully you can see why I'm stressed. Right now I'm playing with CSS a bit just to unwind. The CSS work has always been my artistic little expenditure of stress. That's why sometimes we get random little features like adventure rocket ships and MP3 players. I don't want to deal with Postgres driver issues anymore this week. I want to build something fun people like playing with.
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c1832c No.2410
>>2409
To be fair, "beta.8ch.net" is in the OP right now under "What will hapen on the 9th?". Someone probably went there on 9th and thought the beta was on since there was something in there.
d2724b No.2411
>>2410
Fine, if that's what caused it then it's my fault. Shikata ga nai. There's still a month to try and get some shit in place to keep spirits high before the migration so we'll see what we can do.
a0e54e No.2414
Getting there but it's still shit. Lots of clutter for something that's supposed to be an improvement.
>1
The >> is unnecessary and distracting. Why is it even there? Do you think you're cool for adding that?
>2
Shifting the whole post box instead of adding a margin inside it wastes horizontal space and doesn't actually solve the problem of the left side of the post being too hard to focus on. Remove the >> and add a bit of that space into the post itself.
>3
You really like buttons don't you? Do you think we're too retarded to use the arrow?
>4
We need clickable IDs and an option to disable the color and the button like right now, it's jarring as fuck.
>not pictured
The Open button is unnecessary, we've always been able to click the No. before the post number to do that. Stop trying to invent things that are already there and making a button for every single goddamn thing. A thread isn't a space ship cockpit. As a rule of thumb, if something appears more than once or twice in a page, it shouldn't be a button.
>IP icon
Already confirmed to be gone so that's taken care of.
Adding the day of the week between date and time would help separate them.
also about the uploader
>I'll add a feature to turn this off in the soon-to-be JS Options panel, but you'd really be missing out on a great piece of technology.
You don't need pre-emptive uploading to take advantage of comparing hashes to avoid duplicates. Looking at how fast retrying a post on current software is, I suspect it's already a thing and you're again taking credit for making a worse version of an existing feature.
Also, the standard simple uploader we USED TO HAVE BEFORE SOMEONE FUCKING BROKE IT gave anons better control over the order in which images were picked, and actually let them change an image instead of having to remove and re-add it. It also looked better and took up less space. I'd appreciate bringing it back, with working add/remove file buttons. (yes, this is what buttons are actually supposed to be used for, even though single character links would work just as well)
d2724b No.2415
>>2414
>The >> is unnecessary and distracting. Why is it even there? Do you think you're cool for adding that?
Looks better with it. 4chan does it. "Make it Yotsuba!! Make it Yotsuba!!" Guess what? It's Yotsuba.
>Shifting the whole post box instead of adding a margin inside it wastes horizontal space and doesn't actually solve the problem of the left side of the post being too hard to focus on. Remove the >> and add a bit of that space into the post itself.
How is that interior margin any different from what 8chan has currently?
>You really like buttons don't you? Do you think we're too retarded to use the arrow?
I know you're posting from Poland which is basically a third world country, but have you ever used a mobile phone? That little triangle cunt doesn't cut it. "b-but mobile is for faggots and normies". I'm in a car for like an hour a week. I'm supporting mobile.
>The Open button is unnecessary, we've always been able to click the No. before the post number to do that. Stop trying to invent things that are already there and making a button for every single goddamn thing. A thread isn't a space ship cockpit. As a rule of thumb, if something appears more than once or twice in a page, it shouldn't be a button.
I've gotten good feedback about the Post button. I agree about No. but people were flipping shit about the missing [Reply] link (LITERALLY THE SAME URL AS THE FUCKING NO.) being gone. So people needed an Open link. You're not the only person who's going to be using this.
>You don't need pre-emptive uploading to take advantage of comparing hashes to avoid duplicates. Looking at how fast retrying a post on current software is, I suspect it's already a thing and you're again taking credit for making a worse version of an existing feature.
No. It's not. Trust me, as someone who uses 100Kbps upload speeds if my post is rejected the first time I just give up. Nice job being a cunt about it though. It's good to know where you stand in knowing what you're talking about.
df9762 No.2417
>>2415
>I'm supporting mobile.
I've never understood why faggots want to use imageboards in public.
There are some, /a/utists for example, that would call anyone doing that severe cancer.
As for the pre-emptive uploading, there was a number of anons thinking of ways how it could be used to flood the server with garbage since it isn't behind captcha and possibly even crash the site with enough bots.
Is there anything in place to prevent this?
d2724b No.2419
>I've never understood why faggots want to use imageboards in public.
>There are some, /a/utists for example, that would call anyone doing that severe cancer.
Dude lines are long as fuck here in Manila. Constant gridload, 1000 brown people ahead of me when I just want to buy some ramen and soda. Nobody here gives a shit. I could pull up two dogs spitroasting a girl and they wouldn't bat an eye.
copypaste and I don't own cars so we Uber around the city. Hour long rides just to go down the street. Plenty time to dick around on 8chan.
If people are calling me autistic it's not because I'm using 8chan in public. Lots of other shit on the list ahead of that.
>As for the pre-emptive uploading, there was a number of anons thinking of ways how it could be used to flood the server with garbage since it isn't behind captcha and possibly even crash the site with enough bots.
>Is there anything in place to prevent this?
Not yet. I've been thinking about how to do that. You can't upload the same item multiple times, because it only records uniques as checksums. All unused items are thrown out every hour.
The best checks would be webserver level, restricting bandwidth per connection to a specific amount. It's trivial with Nginx but for some reason 8chan doesn't use rate limiting.
I've introduced 429 "Too Many Requests" limiting on the captcha system and have taken measures to optimize them. Try F5'ing this really fast:
https://infinitydev.org/cp/captcha/replace.json
I've been thinking about implementing application level DDoS countermeasures on middleware in the Laravel request cycle to prevent people from hitting the server too many times. If you tried to do too much you'd get cutegirl'd until some time has passed.
The upload-before-post feature is definitely experimental but I love the fuck out of it and it's extraordinarily useful. I'd much rather take the time to logically reduce chances of abuse (such as using temporary record keeping like Memcache to remember which files belong to who so that a single address can only hold X megabytes of content before it begins to ignite the oldest material or send 429 cutegirls at you).
a4c2f1 No.2422
>>2415
>>2417
I don't see why mobile has to be explicitly supported in the aesthetic design. Any smartphone has a sufficiently modern browser, and zooming in on elements is as simple as double tapping or pinching. Anecdotally, I just tried 8ch on Firefox for Android and had no trouble hitting the triangle menu unzoomed, even with my fat, calloused fingers.
Furthermore, apps do a very, very good job of streamlining a normal site explicitly for a mobile interface. I know there won't be app support on day one, but it will come within a matter of weeks from Exodus, Overchan or both, and in the meantime the normal browser works fine with or without big, fancy buttons.
That said, I respect Josh's decision to prioritize a design he finds most useful. If Next ends up being used in applications beyond 8ch, those may not have the luxury of assured app support, so the design choices make some sense in that context.
I kinda hope Hotwheels goes back to the triangle/arrow for 8ch's final implementation, though. I prefer it aesthetically, and it's always been intuitive. It's a menu not often used, at least in my case, and that small icon is exactly as unobtrusive as it needs to be for routine browsing.
And it may be changeable in the CSS, so the default is probably a non-issue. /kappa/ already has the button shrunk considerably (though it's still a button).
d2724b No.2423
>>2422
Interestingly, I think the /kappa/ guy runs his own chan. He's running a style he wants to use.
a0e54e No.2427
>>2415
>actually using someone's flag in an argument
>on your own board
>while hiding behind a proxy
I thought you couldn't become more of a faggot, and yet here you are.
Fuck this. You win. You drove the big bad scary anon away. Congratulations. Pat yourself on the back for me. I'm outta here.
We can only hope that copypaste still has some good left in him.
d2724b No.2428
df9762 No.2430
>>2427
>actually using someone's flag in an argument
>while hiding behind a proxy
It's like you never been on half/int/.
df9762 No.2434
>>2430
>>2433
Wow, almost 10 minutes before my post showed up after saying it failed originally.
717d82 No.2436
5a87cf No.2437
>>2415
I'm supporting mobile.
Anyone who browses a chan site more than likely uses an application to browse it. 4chan has the clover app. 8ch has Exodus (deprecated) as well as Ouroboros (active). you shouldn't really be doing something that any one with a bit of a brian will solve themselves.
d2724b No.2438
>>2437
>force people to download 3rd party applications and assume people will build decent apps using your API instead of taking a bit of time to support it yourself
... why?
5a87cf No.2439
>>2437
>I'm supporting mobile*
000000 No.2442
>2437
>Anyone who browses a chan site more than likely uses an application to browse it.
I don't. I browse directly from the site.
I've tried these apps, and they're all shit. I'd much rather browse directly from the site.
61e015 No.2444
61e015 No.2445
>>2444
nvm i read through the thread. The OP makes it seem like it should be live
0b5b19 No.2446
a42372 No.2447
Someone asked me to post this. It's a working draft
000000 No.2451
My 2¢ on infinitydev.org:
☐ Must have tor support, ☐ I2P next
☐ IPs need to be salted, and ☑ cycle-flushed
☑ Shit needs ephemerality. Hopefully ☐ less meta.
Optional:
☐ JSON I/O, or raw SQL PROCEDURE I/O (htsql.org shoutout)
☐ DNSSEC DANE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNS-based_Authentication_of_Named_Entities
a4c2f1 No.2452
>>2447
That is horrific to try to read. Why is it a pdf? Why not make it an image?
a42372 No.2454
posting error
>>2447
>>2452
Oh shit, it came out awful. Well, supposedly the image format is already been posted: >>2245
46526e No.2455
Question for Josh:
I see that currently just over $11,000 has been raised so far from NEXT donations and I'm looking at the features lists and I see different donor goals for money recieved and while we're post-10,000 none of the 8000 or 10,000 goals have been checked off or met.
Are the checkmarks just for progress reports? Cause it's now 700 away from the 12,000 ME SO COMFY goal but yet half of the goals aren't even checked off yet and it can't be cumulative cause cumulatively goals would have to equal funding of $2600.
So what's going on about that?
0b5b19 No.2456
>>2455
Josh only check features if they are 100% done.
Most features are 90% done. Look at the issues on the milestones page : https://github.com/infinity-next/infinity-next/milestones
3230b0 No.2457
>security code
it's called a captcha you dip.
bc53b1 No.2458
>>2083
>>2088
>Josh just please tell me you're going to implement a quick way to download files with the original filename like in the original Infinity.
The way it is currently solved is by using the download parameter of the HTML hyperlink (a) tag:
<a download="[Sobbing].PNG" href="...">...</a>
It's not cross-browser compatible. There is a more robust way: make every file have two URLs:
https://media.8ch.net/next/src/1447015612807.png
https://media.8ch.net/next/src/1447015612807.png/[Sobbing].PNG
This will work even in Netscape Navigator 3.0.
I can't understand why this is so hard for chan boards. Halfchan, too, had a download parameter for Chrome, then it dropped it without any announcement. Maybe it's a deliberate omission because modified file names uniquely identify thread of origin and allow spying on users who spread thus marked images. It's a fun feature but it contributes to surveillance culture.
>>2072
>DOWNLOAD BUTTON PLS
This. It would be nice if we could select multiple posts (some/all) and then click "Download images".
>>2059
>What's the deeper meaning behind the choice of image for this thread?
That's what the intended user of this software (You) is supposed to look like.
c810cd No.2459
>This also means it won't be 100% by the day 8chan is using it on 8ch.net live.
That's fine, better to have 70% of a chan than half of one :^)
and anything's better than this tinyboard shit
f6d28d No.2461
Here's an idea for the OP posts instead of a horizontal line or having it completely in a box.
27c067 No.2462
Can we please start using the infinity-next code on 8ch.net right now (or when backlinking is implemented)?
The site is falling apart, everyday there are new errors, it literally can't be worse on infinity-next code than what the site runs on now.
bc53b1 No.2463
>>2415
>I know you're posting from Poland which is basically a third world country,
1. Funny. I feel triggered.
2. Last week, they laid gigabit optic fibre down my street. That's for home users and it's the poorest part of the country.
3. Everyone has own robot.
4. Other than Ukraine, there are no truly poor white countries in 2015.
>but have you ever used a mobile phone?
5. Not since 2009. (Different anon here.)
6. Mobile is for faggots and normies.
7. Get an Intel tablet. Solved.
8. Just don't use fancy HTML features and the thing will stay cross-browser compatible without extra effort.
9. Poland has had free public mobile Internet with 95% population coverage since 2010.
10. I didn't read the original conversation in full.
4b4507 No.2464
>>2461
>>2462
We're gonna make it bruh, don't worry.
8b91d3 No.2465
612c3f No.2468
>>2149
>He does this in the most roundabout way possible, without actually admitting that in the end what he wants doesn't matter and HW is in charge, leading anons all over the boards to believe he's fucking with the software and making it to suit HIS tastes, not ours
I've noticed he's really shitty with that part in particular, which is why everyone's burning him at the stake.
612c3f No.2469
>>2149
>without actually admitting that in the end what he wants doesn't matter and HW is in charge, leading anons all over the boards to believe he's fucking with the software and making it to suit HIS tastes, not ours
I've noticed he's really shitty with that part in particular, which is why everyone's burning him at the stake.
612c3f No.2471
>>2289
>I worry about DMCA requests, though. If 8chan keeps user IP addresses, users could have their information shared.
Hold up, is something changing with DMCA when going to Next?
f0235c No.2472
>>2463
>there are people that think Italy is first world
5a87cf No.2473
>>2461
dude, that is fucking ugly
c810cd No.2474
>>2463
>2. Last week, they laid gigabit optic fibre down my street.
fffFFFFFFFFFFUCKING MAINLANDERS REEEEEEEEE
717d82 No.2476
>>2462
Agreed.
Throw on Kappa, get backlinks working, move the database over and make the switch.
46526e No.2478
1554a6 No.2480
>>2462
Don't rush it. Let Josh and HW do their thing. We've managed this long we can wait another month.
>>2458
I concur with a download button to select images. I'm not overly concerened about a gallery option ( I have that in Overchan).
489848 No.2481
Has anyone else noticed that /ints/ is getting a bot spam post every 2 minutes?
How many other boards (hidden or not) are currently being flooded with spam posts?
This has to be why Infinity is on its death bed.
bc53b1 No.2482
>>2480
>gallery option
I could never work out what Gallery Mode does.
>>2481
>bot spam
I haven't. But my gut feeling tells me it could have something to do with new captcha solving software: >>4704867, >>4704903 .
bc53b1 No.2483
bc53b1 No.2484
>>2483
>>2482
False alarm. Apparently there's no algorithmic magic involved: >>>/b/4705439
4b4507 No.2487
>>2481
Perhaps /ints/ should enable anti-spam features and turn on the captcha.
eed601 No.2489
>>2438
>... why?
Well it annoys desktop users for one.
As long as there is a CSS included that can be chosen with the arrow menu nobody will care too much (or at least HW will get the bitching).
Given how easy it is to change (30 seconds by your own words) would it really hurt to have one for desktop users and one for mobile ones?
eed601 No.2490
>>2414
>We need clickable IDs and an option to disable the color and the button like right now, it's jarring as fuck.
These also. Coloured IDs annoy the shit out of most and are quickly rendered useless in threads with many anons. By all means keep them as an option.
I'd imagine clickable IDs is on the list but not finished but if not that too.
>>2462
At the very least we'll need the gutter fixed (though Josh says he's working on a solution to that).
bc53b1 No.2495
Feature suggestion: temporary storage (caching) of thread after its pruning.
Some call it "archiving" but it's not.
Upside: makes life 10x easier.
Downside 1: removes unpredictability of 404 which makes chans such an addictive experience. This is harmful for the individual but good for the community.
Downside 2: false advantage when user is interested in seeing content deleted by moderator.
30bb8f No.2496
>>2471
Yes, unfortunately we have been getting a lot of legal threats so we can either take down 8chan as a whole or start logging user information. I can tell you that we will only give out this information when we absolutely must, such as in the case of DMCA or government requests. In fact we've already been doing this, Next will just streamline the process.
>>2490
Yeah, no. I don't like colored IDs, they look terrible. I'm really trying to distance Next from 4chan. If you want them so badly you can always go back to 4chan.
>>2495
I'm sick of you people giving your shitty feature requests. Have you ever considered how difficult that would be to code, or what type of server resources it would require? Probably not.
(Impersonation.) bc53b1 No.2497
>>2496
>requests
I wouldn't dare to request. Just suggesting.
Up to you to pick what's viable and what you like.
I think I'm being helpful by adding ideas to the bag.
bc53b1 No.2498
>>2496
In fact, I purposefully avoided using the word "request".
30bb8f No.2499
>>2471
>Just suggesting
Well maybe if you don't know what you're talking about you should just let other people make their "suggestions." I already have enough garbage to sort through.
(Impersonation.) bc53b1 No.2500
>>2496
>>2495
Wouldn't that be as simple as replacing "Delete thread" by "Lock thread" before irrevocably deleting it 2 days later? I'm not arguing.
bc53b1 No.2501
>>2499
Well, that's fine. No offence taken.
a9bb0e No.2502
>>2495
>>2499
After 2500 posts and you're the first person to start impersonating me, so now I gotta capcode this shit every fucking time I post.
f3f3cc No.2503
>>2496
>>2499
Ignore this, I'm the real josh. The only thing changing about DMCA is me DMCAing yo mamma's tight ass pusspuss.
>>2502
fuck beat me to it. You know you wouldn't have to if you stuck to one country for your proxies. let the flag do all the work for you.
a9bb0e No.2504
>>2503
I liked SG, but PH's connection to east asia is shittier than it is to the west coast, so I have to use this one.
I enabled forced anonymous anyways.
417e97 No.2506
>>2502
>>2495 ≠ >>2499
There's more than one person in Poland
and they aren't hivemind.
>>2496
>logging user information
Just noticed this. Awesome.
a9bb0e No.2507
>>2506
Sorry, I didn't imply that you were doing it. I probably clicked your ID and then the second one and got both at the same time because of that fucking bug.
>>2506
>Just noticed this. Awesome.
Though you're still a dipshit. What are we logging? Some person can impresonate me, get "IMPERSATION" below their post, and you still take what they say at face value. Why? Why are you still so easily misled?
Next logs less information about people than Infinity does currently.
417e97 No.2508
>>2507
Keep up the good work. I love 8chan. It has given everyone hope. Only time will show whether there's any substance to FUD. We can't trust anyone and we must stay paranoid. Your imposter's message is baseless but funny.
5a87cf No.2509
>>2507
> Some person can impresonate me
You wouldn't have that problem if you posted with a tripcode. No one would get mad about it because it'd make sense. You're the dev for infinitynext, after all
a9bb0e No.2510
>>2509
It was comfier without the trips tho.
27c067 No.2511
>>2510
Are you working on JS right now?
a9bb0e No.2512
>>2511
No. I'm building an import script because copy wants to get a beta open tomorrow.
53e99a No.2514
869a58 No.2517
>>2120
>>2111
>mfw I've only donated 12 dollaroos to Next development because I live check to check, hand to mouth
Thank you anon, Next is a gamble, as there is always a chance of failure, but the benefit is greater and more freedom-respecting imageboards for everyone, forever. In these times heavy with political correctness, and no place where people can speak their mind completely openly, it seems like a noble thing to support.
c54bd2 No.2518
I feel for you, bub. I guess you can't expect people who can't into, or aren't into, webdev to see the whole picture.
In any case, will the post syntax revert to what we are currently using? Or are you leaving it to Hotwheels' preferences?
**spoiler**
That sort of thing.
More general, are you adding any customization features? An option to add your own text filters/signifiers would be swell. (Rainbow text for all!)
869a58 No.2519
>>2512
asdfasdfasdfas original content
5736d9 No.2522
>>2512
Tomorrow in the Philippines or America?
4e4256 No.2523
>>2518
Markdown.
>>2522
At our earliest opportunity.
be90b4 No.2524
where is the beta josh
you said there would be a beta
I hear some anons saying it's beneath the catalog link at the top of the page but i don't see shit there.
a9bb0e No.2534
Partial importing is now working.
a9bb0e No.2535
I should mention the data set is a bit out of date. It's about half a year old, but the actual schema differences are limited.
df9762 No.2542
>>2534
How long before we can post on the beta?
eed601 No.2547
>>2534
Looks good (though it should say 'are x boards' not 'is x boards').
be90b4 No.2550
>>2538
I mean the actual beta, as in beta.8ch.net.
That's just Josh' implementation of Next which has been there for months.
5a87cf No.2559
>>2534
8chan is shitting itself in this very thread (you can only see this post from the index), when can we start to post on the beta build? I assume soon™
c21fe8 No.2560
>>2534
what boards are actually being selected for import?
a1258b No.2561
>>2534
> no /monster/
i guess those walls of text must be killing 8chan.
c21fe8 No.2563
>>2534
>>2535
will more recent data be ported once you figure out how it works and if it works?
some boards depend on more recent data than others i think
a1258b No.2564
>>2534
when you can try to import the newest data that monster has since it would be really awkward if 4 month something old threads were suddenly back.
e7e8b1 No.2565
>>2415
I am wondering if the theme section under options could have an additional checkbox that sets the given theme to all boards unless a board has another setting specified by the user. Maybe it could also display custom css as well, so that the box allows users to select a "default."
It's a minor thing, and it might bother other anons more than pleasing them.
Overall, the site is really coming along, and I look forward to Next.
>>2507
>Next logs less information about people than Infinity does currently.
Thank you. I think this will be a popular change.
>>2524
I believe it is https://infinitydev.org but correct me if I am mistaken.
91d903 No.2574
>there is nothing we can do to eliminate the need for a captcha.
drrrrrrrropped
I hope boards have a option to turn it off, or only have 1 captcha like we do now
64385d No.2575
>>2564
>when you can try to import the newest data that monster has since it would be really awkward if 4 month something old threads were suddenly back.
time machine.
f80e79 No.2576
>>2574
That's how it works. Read the thread.
000000 No.2577
>>2576
Josh, about my pull request.
You don't have to learn how to use any of that shit right now, you have more important things to worry about for a month or so, but we'll need to have a task runner in the future which will preferably be Gulp and Elixir on top of top of that for the neat features like manifests for cache invalidation. When it comes down to that, ask Fred.
My pull request is just marking the versions of the dependencies in tree for now, that's all, didn't touch anything else and you don't have to use it.
Also, for API versioning are you going to prefix it somehow, use headers, or assume that the json endpoints that we have now are version v1?
f80e79 No.2581
>>2577
I don't want any of that shit though. I know how to write CSS, I don't need a tool to help me. I tried adding SASS at the very beginning of writing the project and it threw fifty fucking things at me as requirements just so I could write a little less. I just threw my hands up and said forget it. I just don't give a fuck about any of this.
The requirements right now are a handful of apt-gets and boom, you've got infinity next running. Trying to get this front end bullshit set up with all this hipster frappe fluff pisses me off.
000000 No.2584
>>2581
bower itself has nothing to do with that and task running isn't restricted to preprocessing, though that's mainly what it's used for.
no point arguing with someone who's been brutally raped by node's nested dependencies model though, I suppose.
e7e8b1 No.2589
Are we ever going to get aggregate or combined catalogs? The idea was floated months ago, but I don't know if it was considered for next.
>>2534
Thank you; this is big.
8e531a No.2592
>>2581
>>>2534
Josh do we have any clue at all as to when we can start using the beta? Certain boards have not been updating for almost 3-5 hours. Peple have tried cutting back thread pages to about 10, but its only cutting it back to one hour now.
This is fucking serious Josh, you have to get that beta up sometime this week. boards such as /monster/ are suffering right now because of this.
We also need to get all the board owners together to reduce their page count from 15 down to 10
5a87cf No.2594
>>2564
>>2575
>4+ month old threads were suddenly back.
do it.
e92857 No.2599
>>2592
Yeah, a beta really needs to be open to the public as soon as possible. A few small boards are having pretty serious issues with caching and 8chan will probably end up losing them entirely if they have to wait a month+ before their shit is usable again.
b762d2 No.2602
Josh please disable special characters like these.
b762d2 No.2604
I thought this shit was supposed to go live on the 9th
9a9b7d No.2606
>>2496
>start logging user information
What if this was really Josh, but he accidentally said too much? He could by trying to backtrack by banning the post and claiming impersonation. That post seems too similar to how Josh actually talks to be just a troll. I suspect 8chan is actually logging user information.
Thanks for letting us know this Josh
Nice try hiding it cripplejim
f27dec No.2607
>>2602
How am I going to write characters with custom diacritics then like m̈ (m+¨ if it won't show up)
btw if you want to prevent stacks of combining characters at least make some smart rule like not allowing stacks of more than 10 rather than just filtering them all out
59b5cf No.2608
>>2213
Speaking of API, I know I bug you about this semi-frequently, but any word on documentation for the API yet? I don't actively follow next's development cycle except for github email alerts. I want to make the transition as smooth as possible for my users when the change over happens.
c810cd No.2609
>>2607
This guy has the right idea.
preg_replace('/(\p{Mn}{1,10})\p{Mn}+/u', '$1', $reddit_shit)
8e531a No.2611
>>2599
We really can't wait until next month. We NEED that beta up like now. No excuses Josh, just get it up
245c11 No.2612
a4c2f1 No.2614
>>2611
>No excuses Josh, just get it up
Shouldn't you at least buy him dinner first?
d5926a No.2619
>>2604
nope, josh got more money so it's delayed a bit more
8e531a No.2630
>>2619
He said he's still pushing for December. Though we still have not gotten a beta up yet, and Josh haven't even gotten back to people about this yet. I did something along the lines of Hotwheels really fucked up somewhere recently and Josh is pissed off at him
8e531a No.2631
f4542c No.2637
Hey Josh, can we upload .Flac any time soon? Otherwise I think the new site is very smooth, keep doing your stuff.
612c3f No.2638
I know this is retarded to ask, but where's the go to bottom/top buttons? It's a bit late in the game before hitting beta, I think that's a pretty substantial feature for imageboards like these in general.
e7e8b1 No.2641
>>2638
On that note, it would be nice if top and bottom buttons went to the OP and the last post, instead of going all the way to the top and bottom of the page. Not sure if that's feasible or desirable, though.
By the way, infinitydev is coming along nicely, I think. I don't think it needs to be rushed asking if it compromises site stability,though I do look forward to seeing it implemented.
43baf3 No.2648
>The main issue is that it's somewhat more difficult to tell threads apart on the index page now, and I agree, but lazily throwing in page breaks does not resolve the issue.
Yes it does. You disliking a simple, sleek, efficient core feature of HTML because you consider it ugly or "lazy" does not affect the fact that you have already acknowledged, which is that it allows people to tell where one thread ends and the next begins much more easily.
>two sections about captcha
We already have a captcha on the current software, and that wasn't the issue. The current captcha system says "every 24 hours" despite having been every three or four hours for months now, and also occurring after some number of posts, probably 50 or so, which isn't mentioned at all.
Let me just address how this captcha thing looks to the users:
Hotwheels: Come to 8chan, free speech, make your own board, no captchas.
Anon: Okay.
Hotwheels: Too much CP spam from Tor, captcha for them.
Anon: Okay.
Hotwheels: Too much bot spam from everyone, captcha for everyone daily.
Anon: Okay.
Anon: Hey, the captcha page is constantly throwing up 502s and shit and loading slow or not at all so I can't post at all until it stops not working. Also, it's more often than 24 hours and has a post count trigger as well. What's up HW?
Hotwheels: Server software is kill, Next will unfuck all you're chan.
Anon: Okay...
Josh (present): I have set up captchas, instead of whatever HW actually has now it's once per hour or once per ten posts.
'Anon: What the fuck? That's basically like what Tor users or 4chan users have.
Josh (indirectly): It's just as a demonstration of the system, I am not the owner of 8ch and JimHotwheels will make the decision and also re-code whatever he wants and tweak settings.
Hotwheels (near future): Haha sorry guys, I was rolling Infinity out in a real hurry because of the broken old code and must have forgotten to change those settings. Give me a few days.
/tech/: Here is how you do it, hotwheel, I have gazed into the soul of the source code.
Hotwheels: Haha looks hard and complicated to me I'll do it if I get time, really though the community grew so much that the captcha had to get more frequent sometime.
Anon: So is that why you changed it without ever letting us know what it was on the old system?
Hotwheels: We'll keep it this way for now and see how it works out.
Anon (three months later): Everything is just a stale replica of the rest of the internet.
IRC Cronies: Unhand Madame Hotwheels immediately, milady must not be insulted in such fashion, what kind of stupid shitposter wants less captchas?
f80e79 No.2650
>>2648
It's one thing to spend your time talking to yourself and pretending they're other people, it's another to try and convince everyone else the same.
c810cd No.2656
>>2612
commentary on the calibre of poster who necessitates things like that tbh
c810cd No.2657
>>2612
commentary on the calibre of poster who necessitates things like that tbh
>>2638
>where's the go to bottom/top buttons?
On your keyboard.
adc1b4 No.2658
File: 1447691112147.jpg (36.91 KB, 560x358, 280:179, conspiracy Keanu (original….jpg)

adc1b4 No.2659
>>2602
>Josh please disable special characters like these.
Veto! Not all image board users are analphabets, some of us can actually read more than 26 Latin letters. So kindly 滚开!
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/analphabet
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analphabetismus
Sorry, no relevant English Wikipedia entry exists. Apparently, analphabetism is an unknown concept to analphabets Anglosaxons.
Also how are you going to paste URLs that contain these strings if you disable these characters? Example: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/أمية
f80e79 No.2668
>>2602
I've got a fix for this that doesn't involve disabling any language.
>>2648
This guy is now like, spamming /next/. What the fuck is it with 8chan and absolutely batshit conspiracy cringe? I can't tell if people are joking or serious anymore.
52fc27 No.2670
>>2648
most people aren't going to sperg about captcha.
just look how popular 4chan is.
658653 No.2676
>>2638
That would actually be very easy to add. All one would need to do is use anchor tags and links.
01fa5a No.2677
File: 1447722986165.jpg (12.66 KB, 250x171, 250:171, KeyboardRight_cropped_resi….jpg)

>>2638
they're right on your keyboard m8
549ae3 No.2685
>>2683
>Show me the posts?
Your wish is my command. Look:
https://archive.is/20151117112054/https://8ch.net/next/res/2032.html#selection-26463.0-26463.23
Last post visible on 2015-11-17 11:20:54 (UTC)
>11/16/15 (Mon) 16:25:11
Twenty minutes later:
https://archive.is/20151117114431/https://8ch.net/next/res/2032.html#selection-26131.0-26131.23
Last post visible on 2015-11-17 11:44:31 (UTC):
>11/17/15 (Tue) 01:16:26
In other words, this thread was de facto locked (not bumping/refreshing) for 19 hours from Monday 16:27 to Tuesday 11:27 fullchan time.
549ae3 No.2686
549ae3 No.2687
File: 1447764286512.gif (388.5 KB, 640x359, 640:359, On the subject of techies ….gif)

>>2682
>Testosterone
I think it's happenig again and one quirky way to force thread update is by... deleting any post. Or even better: making a dummy post and deleting it. Newfags won't know this little trick of ours...
Which is a good opportunity to suggest another feature: deleted posts becoming CSS class "deleted" (50% transparency) on thread update. You know what I mean, don't you?
549ae3 No.2689
>>2687 >>2687
Oh, and deleted/non-extant post links should remain being links, just CSS class "deleted". (This time represented by text-decoration: line-through.)
549ae3 No.2690
Whereby I discover another bug in old Infinity: after a user deletes a post, new posts are still being matched against it for flood protection as if it hadn't been deleted.
9cc0e1 No.2693
I have a complaint, not specific to the new software, but since new software is being developed, it makes sense to do something about this.
I hate the "spoiler" feature and I wish there was an option to switch it off and just display thumbs for every picture.
9cc0e1 No.2694
I hate the "spoiler" feature and I wish there was an option to switch it off and just display thumbs for every picture
434fc0 No.2722
434fc0 No.2723
13f24f No.2724
File: 1447892189313.png (117.55 KB, 562x1738, 281:869, Infinity Next 2015-11-18 1….png)

Do these options actually work? Revoking "view staff logs" seems to do nothing. What are all of these User, Site, and System tools, and why am I giving control of these things to anonymous users who are not on my board staff? Why am I able to revoke things like creating a board? This is very confusing.
f6715a No.2725
>>2724
>why am I giving control of these things to anonymous users who are not on my board staff?
Good fucking question. Why are you? If you don't want that, don't set it to true.
Some options shouldn't be available on a board level because they don't make sense, but setting it to true would be harmless because the system doesn't check. But, judging from your screenshot, you're viewing this from an admin perspective because you can't set any permission you don't have yourself.
I can't take the time to explain how the permission system works right now because it's complicated and warrants a real manual. I'm not advising anyone use Infinity Next for production purposes until 2016.
da5dd8 No.2734
Is there a place to report errors we encounter on the beta site or is this it?
80bd99 No.2735
How do you make usernames in public logs hidden?
80bd99 No.2736
File: 1447944240863.png (84.15 KB, 921x455, 921:455, why do these ad space boxe….png)

https://archive.is/qu6wb
https://archive.is/dGrjv
Why do these blank ad boxes appear when archiving?
80bd99 No.2737
80bd99 No.2738
I think this thread is freezing again
da5dd8 No.2739
I guess I'll just say a few things here.
Mod tools being in a drop down menu is inconvenient. I would really want to ask to change that, but it seems like a considerable change so I don't know if this is possible at this point.
The ban appeals page gives me a 403 error, probably because there aren't any.
Does [Dismiss IP] mean all future reports by this IP are blocked or only all current ones by this IP are dismissed?
Will there be a way to see all recent posts on the board like before?
The control panel should also have a link to the board log I think.
da5dd8 No.2740
I guess I'll just say a few things here.
Mod tools being in a drop down menu is inconvenient.I can understand that it should be like this in the catalog view, but when looking at reports the drop down menu is just annoying.
I would really want to ask to change that, but it seems like a considerable change so I don't know if this is possible at this point.
The ban appeals page gives me a 403 error, probably because there aren't any.
Does [Dismiss IP] mean all future reports by this IP are blocked or only all current ones by this IP are dismissed?
Will there be a way to see all recent posts on the board like before?
The control panel should also have a link to the board log I think.
da5dd8 No.2741
I guess I'll just say a few things here:
Mod tools being in a drop down menu is inconvenient.I can understand that it should be like this in the catalog view, but when looking at reports the drop down menu is just annoying.
I would really want to ask to change that, but it seems like a considerable change so I don't know if this is possible at this point.
The ban appeals page gives me a 403 error, probably because there aren't any.
Does [Dismiss IP] mean all future reports by this IP are blocked or only all current ones by this IP are dismissed?
Will there be a way to see all recent posts on the board like before?
The control panel should also have a link to the board log I think.
Also, this thread is broken.
ae6c01 No.2744
>Can't hide posts
>Catalog preview extends in to infinity in a tiny column
>Reply window is cut off
>Wasted space everywhere
>No options at all
>No custom time formatting
>No mouseover image preview
>No shortcut keys for redtext, etc.
>Catalog thread preview shows image only and text requires mouseover unless there's no image
>Looks like garbage
>"Author" instead of "Name"
e459a6 No.2745
Where the fuck do we report bugs?
I'm on the beta, and I'm finding bugs, but nobody is pointing to any actual issue tracker or anything.
Are we really expected to dump bugs in this board or in IRC?
I see the issue tracker on GitHub. Is that where bugs for the beta are to be put?
86cb5b No.2748
Alright, this might be the last donation from me for a while.
Keep up the good work Josh.
be90b4 No.2749
500 INTERNAL SERVER ERROR
NONE OF THE BOARDS WORK
I'M SCARED WHAT'S HAPPENING
86cb5b No.2750
Alright, This is the last donation I can give for now.
Good luck Josh. Still believe this will turn out well.
e459a6 No.2752
Where is the fucking bug tracker?
A public bug tracker well advertised is the very fucking first thing an open beta should have up.
4d3db7 No.2755
so why cant I access /v/ or /b/ on the beta site?
7b061d No.2756
7d4157 No.2769
>trying to access my board on the beta
>Whoops, looks like something went wrong.
is this a server issue or did I tick an option that broke it?
f6715a No.2777
>>2769
Can you PLEASE link your board?
e2fecb No.2784
Is anyone else having performance issues?
Scrolling through a thread or the catalog gives me 60fps most of the time.
On next I don't get more than 10 fps even in small threads.
047492 No.2802
why aren't replies listed in the post header?
8b91d3 No.2804
>>2769
My board doesn't even show up when I login and click "boards".
None of the options under "Boards" seem to work either so I can't change anything.
8b7a56 No.2805
Will infininext fix posting requiring referrer headers? I'm getting real tired of having to tweak my browser settings all the time.
7c8a70 No.2807
>>2750
>still believe this will turn out well
Thank you Good Goy!
86cb5b No.2811
999c8d No.2831
Why isn't the "post reply" button working on next after I fill out the captcha? I'm using Firefox, NoScript doesn't seem to be stopping anything. AdBlock Plus is on, disconnect, etc. Known issue or is it my browser?
999c8d No.2832
Why isn't the "post reply" button working on next after I fill out the captcha? I'm using Firefox, NoScript doesn't seem to be stopping anything. AdBlock Plus is on, disconnect, etc. Known issue or is it my browser? Enter key in the captcha field doesn't work to submit it, either.
97c133 No.2839
>>2832
That usually means the button is disabled because it's waiting on files to upload.
c88f06 No.2855
Why is this thread gone dead?
Okay, I have made babby's first Infinity Next post. There:
https://infinitydev.org/test/thread/2243#2391
https://infinitydev.org/test/thread/2243#2390
https://infinitydev.org/test/thread/2243#2422
https://infinitydev.org/test/thread/2243#2423
1. I like how the edit box resizes to the left instead of to the right. That's logical.
2. Videos close themselves after playback. Not sure if I like it.
3. Board software tries to guess for the user where quotes begin and end, rendering them as blockquote. It forces a document structure on messages intended (both by the user and chan tradition) to be flat text. This introduces gaps that aren't always expected or desirable. And its guess whether the preceding line is part of the quote is incorrect in my post. I'm not sure whether the traditional chan post syntax allows for precise, fault-free and predictable guesses. I'm not in favour of this function. You can introduce a dedicated tag for those who consciously intend a blockquote. But I could be wrong.
4. The post marker ">>" on the left of each post looks like a waste of screen estate. Maybe attach it to the post number inside the post box rectangle? That's just one idea.
5. Right clicking on us+80%27s+kids+... .webm to save it saves it as infinitydev_1447003232-0.webm instead of US+80%27S+KIDS+HUH.webm.
6. Right clicking on Download (5.12 MiB) to save it saves it as a HTML file (infinitydev_1447003232-0.htm). Left clicking it saves it as infinitydev_1447003232-0.webm instead of US+80%27S+KIDS+HUH.webm.
7. Video thumbnails fail to get captured by Archive.is. This is more of an Archive.is bug than an Infinity Next bug but it betrays some serious HTML madness. What for? Chan can and must be clean and simple.
https://archive.is/cKAUE
8. I haven't tested this but I just presume that this function doesn't exist: in another chan, I can cancel sending a submitted post in the last second while data are still being uploaded. I do so by clicking "Submit" again. I wish I had this function in Infinity.
9. Cross-thread (You) post marking already exists in old Infinity. What doesn't exist, is cross-thread reply linking (especially convenient in continuation threads but not only).
10. Non-existing posts should be converted to links anyway, just marked. Some faulty post number linking there:
https://archive.is/cKAUE#selection-4755.0-4761.6
c88f06 No.2857
>>2807
>Show me the posts
>>2687
>one quirky way to force thread update is by... deleting any post. Or even better: making a dummy post and deleting it. Newfags won't know this little trick of ours...
Let's try it out...
c88f06 No.2858
>planting a disposable post
c88f06 No.2863
Is someone trying to repair this dread?
aaafac No.2869
I noticed the banner filesize limit has decreased from 500 to 250 kb. Any reason for this?
03c371 No.2875
>>2805
>go on InfinityNext/v/
>post cannot be greater then 0 characters
The fuck?
000000 No.2878
What the fuck is up with this bullshit captcha? I have to open a new fucking window just because I refuse to enable js? You want to force people to enable js? Fuck you.
That, combined with your new pre-crime faggot shit, and it's clear that this site is going the way of 4chan. You say it'll only be used to filter out cp. That we should "trust you"... Well, I fucking don't. Because I'm not mentally retarded. Every single fucking time something like this has been implemented anywhere on an image board/forum, it's been abused. Power = Abuse. Have fun with your shitty website you fucking idiots. I'm out.
97c133 No.2879
>>2878
wtf are you even talking about?
oh okay, bye.
5b6dc0 No.2881
These backlinks don't work, m8. When you click 'em they just add " data-cite-board=" to the page url resulting in 404 error rather than taking you to the reply. Well, at least they provide necessary information.
97c133 No.2882
>>2881
Duh. I committed too early. I'm getting the hover-over stuff to work now.
fd8784 No.2890
I like Infinity Next more and more. I love it.
Now files have original names.
If also someone repaired this thread... that would be 100% win.
fd8784 No.2891
>>2890
>If also someone repaired this thread... that would be 100% win.
Oh, wait... have I just accidentally repaired it?
fd8784 No.2892
>>2890
>Now files have original names.
A minor flaw here. Spaces in file names are encoded as '+' which is correct. The problem is that browser (Chrome) fails to decode them as spaces when downloading. They are saved as '+' ("Swift+fox+jumps+over+the+lazy+dog.jpg"). Not a priority issue, still something that needs to be corrected at some point nevertheless.
8bd6bd No.2893
Why has the reply button been replaced by an unintuitive, not self explanatory, harder to click, harder to see arrow in the corner? Do you think you're clever, Josh?
Also, showing replies from other boards sounds very abusable. There will be spam boards dedicated to mass quoting posts from other boards to fill them with replies.
012583 No.2894
>>2855
>7. Video thumbnails fail to get captured by Archive.is. This is more of an Archive.is bug than an Infinity Next bug but it betrays some serious HTML madness.
Not only video thumbnails:
https://archive.is/20151126/https://beta.8ch.net/next/thread/3146
Archive.is is pretty robust, it takes something particularly wicked to break it.
012583 No.2895
>>2894
Basically, some thumbnails get replaced by 1×1 GIFs.
012583 No.2896
>>2895
Okay, I know why it is... Lazy Loading (JS) technology.
The same happens if you save thread to disk without viewing it.
250ba6 No.2899
Why am I the only remaining user of this thread?
Who has abandoned this thread and how?
Am I shadowbanned?
250ba6 No.2905
>>2855
>9. (...) cross-thread reply linking (especially convenient in continuation threads but not only).
Wow, not only cross-thread, but also cross-board reply linking is now implemented! Very sweet!
>>2893
>There will be spam
No board for old fags
Also https://beta.8ch.net/next/thread/2909#3139
>Allow any board to backlink posts. Defaults to true.
>Forbid these boards from backlinking.
>Always allow these boards to backlink.
658653 No.2906
It'd be nice if some of the toggleable buttons used checkbox input tags instead of JavaScript shit.
e0d344 No.2910
>>2906
Huh? What precisely?
9c40f6 No.2913
Will infinity NEXT have some sort of option whereby users can make boards require a password in order to view and/or post on?
Sorry if this has been discussed before~
e0d344 No.2914
>>2913
It's possible but would require a community conversation.
9c40f6 No.2915
>>2914
Oh. Should I make a thread about it or something?
My reasoning is pretty simple, because of proxies it is nigh impossible to actually keep people off of certain communities, especially if they are persistent, passwords would solve this for closed places.
I don't see the problem if people want to have sekrit klubs and closed-off boards.
Freedomboard had something similar IIRC?
658653 No.2918
>>2910
For example, the menu icon button is a span element with the menu-icon-button class but if it was an input element checkbox one could hide and show the next element after the checkbox with input.menu-icon-button:checked + * { display: none }; in pure CSS.
f36ada No.2932
>>2878
>>2906
A perfect Infinity Next is maximally convenient in every way with and without Javascript.
Wow... I have just discovered a heretofore unknown old Infinity function. I have accidentally pressed PrtScr (Print Screen) right before pressing Shift+Insert... Can we have that in Infnity Next???
397b28 No.2962
>>2899
No, you are just a faggot.
Check the next board on the next demo, it's where most of the discussion takes place now.
7dbf75 No.2976
>>2032
Why the flying fuck does your niggershit slut ass piss brains think CAPTCHA for every single FUCKING post is okay?
CAPTCHA for every single FUCKING post is okay?
4b4507 No.2982
>>2976
That's not how it works.
6cb7c7 No.2996
>people keep throwing money at this underage and his shit software
I cringe everytime
dcf1b1 No.3002
YOU SAID THERE WOULD BE INFINITY NEXT JOSH
WHERE IS THE INFINITY NEXT JOSH
25e37e No.3004
OY VEY, WORTH EVERY SHEKEL
fa1147 No.3011
was there anyone who thought this was going to work? fuck off already underageb&
a1258b No.3013
>>3004
josh you should of listened instead of thinking that criticism was coming from intl.
you fucked up, Use lynxchan you collosal faggot.
91b81b No.3018
>>3013
There's no evidence Lynxchan would actually be better with the issue presented. The running instance of Lynx is quite small, they need to fill it with a lot more dummy data before anyone can say it'd be a better fit.
Josh is shit, but that doesn't mean Lynx is automatically a good framework or better.
c1832c No.3022
>>3018
This
Next worked fine until millions of posts were pumped into it.
543323 No.3029
On the beta site
On my 10" android tablet in landscape I cannot post, when I click on the reply box it jumps to the then back out So cannot enter any text.
It works fine in portrait for some fucking reason with the reply box staying in the correct place not jumping to the top even though width res is lower in portrait.
I want to point out in landscape when it jumps to the top it exits out straight away back to the reply box so I cannot reply at all in landscape, tried chrome and dolphin.
On a 10 inch tablet in landscape it should not be trying to jump to the top to reply anyway, but atm you cannot type at all in the lanscape mode.
Tablet res is 2560 x 1600 and is a tab pro 10.1. I think android says chrome res is 1280×800 for all hi-res tablets though, this still doesn't explain why it works fine in portrait though
7cfd6a No.3030
IMO they should keep the old 8chan as na arquive and started with empty boards like live beta.
7cfd6a No.3031
>>3022
>>3018
The funny thing is that Next was supposed to build up to handle this. It isn't even a thing to be stated, it's common sense, because it's 8chan we're talking about. So, as everyone was worried about the layout and criticizing the UI, i had put all my hope precisely in backend.
91b81b No.3033
>>3031
I had honestly hoped that Josh had actually tested the database already. The fact that he didn't does not fill me with confidence.
00471f No.3036
The imported site was up for a little while at beta.8ch.net. Here's what I noticed.
Threads on the front page appear as one OP
No country flags
Old images do not appear (anything posted before Oct/Nov 14)
Youtube thumbnails do not appear, nor do the URLs of removed Youtube videos
Catalog page was missing the older 2/3 of posts
Greetext is black, Red text is black, lots of extra line breaks in the posts
7cfd6a No.3037
>>3036
I posted there, it take a while and my post got duplicated.
d03f64 No.3045
91b81b No.3046
>>3045
IIRC postgres is better when there's a lot of write operations. It's why Reddit uses Postgres as well.
00471f No.3057
>>3036
Some more
I don't see any text formatting at all
Thread posts show up out of chronological order
The oldest pages on my board have no images at all
If a board was not accurately copied it simply needs to be imported again, the right way. Fast boards will be okay but it is devastating for slower boards to lose so much information.
823181 No.3305
>>2032
don't take the banter personally josh
pls bring back the beta
thx bby
8b963c No.3361
>>3305
>beta
But it was ugly as fuck.
6e995b No.3371
>>3361
>ugly
>implying my board wasn't excessively cute
196634 No.3372
>>3361
Every image board is ugly.
Deal with it homo.
f27dec No.3379
>>3371
you're excessively homosexual tbh fam
a28357 No.3384
>>3371
maybe not excessively cute but pretty cute anon
7d3217 No.3387
>>3361
>beta
>ugly as fuck
I see no issue here. Betas tend to be ugly no life fuckers such as yourself.
e0031f No.3394
>>3361
Well,well avatar...You did a good work.
044f5e No.3405
>>3371
how did you get multiple colours on the background?
Or is that just a tiled image file?
>>3002
picrelated
219285 No.3409
9bf715 No.3418
>>3405
The green background is tiled just for convenience, but you can always make a PNG and mutiple background in CSS:
http://www.w3schools.com/css/css3_backgrounds.asp
b465d2 No.3452
If I make a new board now will the board itself and my login shit be saved, even if the board contents won't be migrated over?
8cab5a No.3527
Will there be a way for people to access their old settings after the transition? Some people may have long filter lists that they won't want to recreate. If they're smart and following what's happening, they'll export them before the transition, but I bet many people won't do that. Are we at least avoiding name clashes with the old preferences?
665511 No.3528
>>3452
Hopefully we do a fresh new import, it'll be almost a fortnight of activity lost otherwise to save much less than 12 hours of time
940d0e No.3530
>>3528
Agreed. Maybe limit to the top 1000 to save time.
Quality is more important to to me than deadlines. At a certain point, cutting too many corners becomes detrimental. A second import would keep the site up to date and provide the ability to correct the omissions of the first (like missing images).
30% of my first 70 threads begins with some lost images. How would I fix this?
f3d2b6 No.3533
>>3530
>30% of my first 70 threads begins with some lost images. How would I fix this?
I think this is because those files where uploaded last year and have a different layout in the database or something
>>>/next/3070
This problem would probably affect a lot of smaller boards which have had very long running threads.
Ideally, a hack would be written up to fix this edge case and correct their representation in the database, but it all depends on whether Josh has enough time and/or is interested in preserving those files for the transfer.
8cab5a No.3539
Instead of having a list of the top 20 boards in the header, why not a list of the top 20 board tags? And then create overboards for each board tag.
56e957 No.3544
don't do another import, just switch to next ASAP
940d0e No.3547
Another import will be better in the long run
https://twitter.com/8ntech/status/681898349130301441
> Permission refactoring has progressed by leaps and bounds tonight. Import round 2 looking likely on New Years.
Sounds promising
d61f7a No.3548
606bc5 No.3549
Another import would be ideal, especially if it's hundreds of times faster because all the PostgreSQL problems were fixed.
81c2fa No.3644
>>2032
Josh, how'd it go with the fixing of Laravel's busted-ass postgres driver?
9a73ce No.4502
>>2472
At least our president isn't a nigger
f5203e No.4546
Why are you such a faggot, Josh?
f5203e No.4547
>>4502
He's italian, though.
7e32ed No.4585
>>4546
>>4546
>permaban for keks
Anyone who heard of this Null nigger and how he acts on his other site kiwifar.ms shouldn't be surprised by this.
The only reason nobody shits on him there is he'll permaban them.
e7df30 No.4587
>>4585
So, our Josh is the same autistic psychopath who told a single mother he hopes her newborn child burns to death?
https://imgur.com/a/adP4P