944c82 No.3056
So a lot of people are rightfully pessimistic as the migration did not take hold. I'm not too thrilled about copypaste calling it a failure in the title because it gives people a poor understanding of what has happened.
The actual data transfer was mostly successful, but the software's ability to interact with the database following the migration was sluggish and inadequate. This was a two-fold issue: Laravel, our framework, used an inappropriate query for PgSQL in certain instances that was 100x up to 1000x slower than the MySQL equivalent. PHP also poorly implements PgSQL through its own drivers. An engineer who is responsible for writing large portions of PgSQL has said he may work on a formal commit to PHP, but in the mean time, I have been developing work arounds.
The outcry is disproportionate to the size of the setback. This is not game-ending or a fundamental problem that would take months to fix; we have options. I've opted to continue fixing and improving Laravel's support for PgSQL. If that cannot work, we can simply import to MySQL the next time we do this (if we do choose to update the shard), but that's less than ideal, as PgSQL is very fast when set up correctly.
My attachment is a calendar. I will be in Japan as a part of a 2channel Christmas group that I have been invited to. I don't know what we're doing, but it's probably booze and Japanese whores, two things I'm not particularly interested in. I'll probably continue developing over this period.
Today, I have forked Laravel's framework and made a series of commits. I have been systematically destroying PgSQL errors as they've cropped up, and now I am unable to create errors. That's not to say the site is completely usable yet. Although I have been able to successfully post and navigate, the site is very slow because I have failed to properly index the 3,000,000 row Posts table. This is my next goal.
The other additional problem is how the permission table builds permissions and I would say this is probably the largest issue as of right now. Quite simply, the way I am doing permissions works very well with a small data set, but since we now have 11,000 roles it is extremely slow to build the finalized mask. I haven't worked out a plan to replace this, and it will probably take more time than the aforementioned optimizations. This is the big baddie right now and it will be addressed. When it has been addressed, the site should be usable -- and hopefully, quite fast.
That just about sums up the total problems left. I am still extraordinarily optimistic and believe that we can transition before the New Year. If the site is significantly stabilized before then, we will begin moving more adaptable communities like /sp/ over to get a feel for how the site handles load.
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2a9a11 No.3058
>>3056
>I don't know what we're doing, but it's probably booze and Japanese whores, two things I'm not particularly interested in.
This is the first time I'm very disappointed in you
778a50 No.3059
>I'm not too thrilled about copypaste calling it a failure in the title because it gives people a poor understanding of what has happened.
It was, by definition, a failure
4890ae No.3060
Will you do a fresh new import at the end of the year after everything's fixed?
944c82 No.3061
>>3058
I like cute white girls with short hair. Sue me. That's why it's so annoying to have people imply I'd be over here fucking ladyboys. I mean, come on. Asians?
I'll probably get fucked up on Sake if it's an option, though.
778a50 No.3062
>>3061
I think you're gay. Maybe you should import /cuteboys/ first.
d7b20e No.3063
Will you re-import boards that need it?
Mine is missing a lot of data.
944c82 No.3064
>>3059
Tone policing is still import if your goal is not to make 10,000 nerds who don't understand computers fly into a fit, though. The full migration was unsuccessful, but the import worked. Calling it a failure implies that the whole thing is fucked.
>>3060
Maybe. I don't know if I want to bother with sitting through all that shit again. It takes like 12 hours. It may or may not be faster with old data already there. Furthermore, I don't know how I'd preserve issues with the data now that new posts have been made.
>>3063
What data?
2a9a11 No.3065
>>3061
I guess it's a question of taste, but cute Japanese girls are really cute.
d7b20e No.3066
>>3064
>What data?
The first month or two of images
Country flags
Text formatting
Some posts are out of order in threads
Those are some of the things I noticed, but I only checked for a few minutes
944c82 No.3067
>>3065
They don't shave their vaginas. Like, at all. It's gross. A 27 year old Japanese woman looks like a 12 year old Japanese girl so they culturally do not shave their twats so you know they're actually legal. It's still gross though.
>>3066
Can you give me your board name?
d7b20e No.3068
b890d2 No.3069
I hope this works out.
8chan is cool.
944c82 No.3070
>>3069
ye i agre 8clam > 4clam
>>3068
>Oldest images
Those oldest threads are from 2014. There was a change in how attachment data was stored and the importer was only configured to handle the new data. Extremely older attachments are lost.
>Country Flags
I'm aware of that. I'll probably run an import just for those.
>Out of order replies
Can I get a specific example? That sounds extraordinarily unlikely.
>Text formatting
It's there but it's not styled into existence. I may add some import styling.
d7b20e No.3071
>>3070
>There was a change in how attachment data was stored.
That's what I figured. Is it fixable?
> Can I get a specific example?
Unless it's a browser bug http://beta.8ch.net/film/thread/1263 ends with Sept 2014 posts
d42c81 No.3072
>>3067
They don't shave their vaginas. Like, at all. It's gross.
loloolololol pedo detected
and we probably all agree that aesthetically stubble and inflamed skin is worse than a clean bush
d42c81 No.3073
>>3072
first line was meant to be
>quotation
btw
also hairy muff is a wonder to run your fingers through, you should try it once
e3c68f No.3074
Have you considered keeping the backup as an archive for everyone and make Next live from now on without posts? Wouldn't it diminish performance issues as it goes gradually addressed? Users won't like to lose their last half december posts.
8e22cb No.3075
I think my biggest gripe is that you're posting in different threads and being non-transparent with your (lack of) progress. Hiccups happen, though you should really be chastised for not testing properly, but what users want is to not feel like they're in limbo about what's going on.
That's the reason people are looking to different chans as the moderation here has proved inadequate at dealing with their own faults.
5b02ce No.3076
thanks for all the hard work youre doing. looking forward to using the final product.
d7b20e No.3077
>>3074
That would be fine for /b/ but other boards would be starting over from zero if people can't respond to existing topics
e3c68f No.3079
>>3077
>but other boards would be starting over from zero if people can't respond to existing topics
In my board i'd rather choose this than lose two weeks of posts. Many people aren't encouraged to contribute right know because of this, and i think it's dangerous as they could migrate to some other place temporarily and just lose the interest to get back when migration is finally done.
944c82 No.3080
>>3075
I have no blog. I don't know how to contact people. They all start bitching and spreading misinformation all over the place so I go where I'm directed.
I also don't understand how you can call hundreds and hundreds of commits "lack of progress". Fuck off.
8e22cb No.3081
>>3080
>I don't know how to contact people
>what is Twitter
Just keep all updates in one spot so we don't have to fish around for it. Radical idea, try using a Twitter.
We would be nicer if this wasn't your job, but it is so toughen up buttercup.
19fec4 No.3082
>>3073
It's awful to go down on, though
>lick 3 seconds
>pick hair off your tongue
>repeat
>>3081
>Twitter
Cancerous as fuck, IRCwheels tier.
>>3080
>They all start bitching and spreading misinformation all over the place
Are you familiar with Freech?
>I have no blog. I don't know how to contact people.
You run this board, right? Just make a locked sticky on this board and post the occasional update on there.
0e6583 No.3083
>>3080
>I also don't understand how you can call hundreds and hundreds of commits "lack of progress". Fuck off.
My EPM is rolling on the floor at this.
8e22cb No.3084
>>3082
Yeah, your idea is better, though I would think that having a thread on the site would be stupid since you couldn't update when the site goes down for migration.
That's the only reason I recommended twatter
19fec4 No.3085
>>3084
That's on IRCW for not using the Infinitechan Twitter account for what it's intended to do. Nothing Josh can do about that.
8e22cb No.3086
>>3085
It doesn't have to be 'official', just a place where he updates. I'm sure people will be watching it if they post it on the 503 site during migration.
This isn't hard
b89943 No.3087
>we will begin moving more adaptable communities like /sp/ over
Read: keep the hugbox closed and only filled with those that say what we want to hear.
b1e9e7 No.3088
>>3071
how are you able to access the beta site? I just get 503
b1e9e7 No.3089
Oh, and I say fuck another migration, just let the users migrate the threads they want over.
5b02ce No.3090
>>3080
please dont start responding to people who want to get a rise out of you. just relax and do your work and update the community on any progress as soon as you can.
8e22cb No.3091
>>3090
>please notice me senpai
b1e9e7 No.3092
>>3090
this is Josh.... New Years day
885012 No.3094
reminder to never give up, and that good things, pic related, are on their way
944c82 No.3095
>>3094
Nah, there's never a lack of motivation.
On one hand, succeeding pleases anons worth pleasing.
On the other hand, succeeding pisses off anons worth pissing off.
On the other hand, succeeding looks great on me and I can use it to further progress myself.
On the other hand, succeeding means I can begin image board projects for other demographics.
No matter what happens, it's great, but only if it gets pulled off. There is literally nothing worse I could do for every single aspect of my life than give up right now. It'll get completed.
885012 No.3096
>>3095
>On the other hand, succeeding pisses off anons worth pissing off.
This gets me up in the morning to be honest as well.
b1e9e7 No.3097
>>3095
you only have two hands, Josh. I count like 4 hands there. It there a ladyboi in the room with you?
19fec4 No.3098
>>3095
But is there motivation to keep the site running or update it after this phase is done? HW seems beyond disinterested.
773cc6 No.3099
Did you ever figure out why you were getting an error with the queries in
http://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/124169/any-values-syntax-for-postgresql-on-php-throwing-inappropriate-complaints
or is that still a bug that ought to (after getting the site to work) be boiled down to a reduced test case and reported?
a4f15a No.3100
>>3061
>i dont wanna fuck qt asian girls
Josh i think you might be gay
b1e9e7 No.3101
>>3098
just keep donating your shekels, goy
944c82 No.3102
>>3097
Shh.
>>3098
Probably. As I mentioned, I want to run this for other selfish reasons. I will also be opening a side project to complement Next that may be a valuable source of income, but these are all questions for 2016.
>>3099
I had to do something really weird.
https://github.com/infinity-next/framework/blob/master/src/Illuminate/Database/Query/Grammars/PostgresGrammar.php#L182-L219
This generates a query like this:
SELECT * FROM "posts" WHERE "posts"."post_id' = ANY (VALUES ('144444'::BIGINT), ('144445'::BIGINT), ('144446'::BIGINT));
OR, it uses ::TEXT instead, but only if there is any non-numeric number detected or number that is larger than a BIGINT. Definitely a hack, but it's super fast (+6000 VALUES handles in 60ms on my local), which is more than enough for now.
>>3100
bro I'm sorry asian girls look like pug dogs. Look at this girl. Nice body, looks like a pug. She also appears to be the only person to have found a shaving razor on the entire megacontinent of Asia.
Skinny white girls with short hair are superior in every way and do not look like pugs.
>>3101
Agreed.
14896a No.3103
>>3082
>Freech
Yep this is where the majority of the shilling is coming from.
How to spot a freech shill:
1. they will never argue technical merits
2. they will always concern troll
3. they will try to put the blame on 1 person/board and get the entire community attacking that person/board which is why the doom of the site is always 100% josh or hotwheels.
4. they will always argue that the site is beyond saving
5. enforcing rules on 8chan is rulecuckery
6. enforcing rules on freech is ok
7. they will spam meta threads on every board if they have to to get enough users on their side
How Josh should respond to freech shills:
1. Don't
2. If you really must don't bother engaging in their arguments attack their hypocrisy. They fled 8chan because of an "impotent" furfag spammer, but will implement captcha and ban the furfag spammer on freech. This shows they are even more impotent than the spammer. Attack the fact that they created their own irc circlejerk
I am the greatest ally of Josh, but he probably doesn't know it :^). I was a part of /int*/ so I can recognize the shilling tactics of the ones that fled to freech easily. Josh should let me and the ones that can see it BTFO them and send them back. Josh should focus on talking to anons that genuinely care about the site.
113cda No.3104
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8e22cb No.3105
>>3103
I have never heard about freech before today but I've heard it a bunch in response to this migration debacle. Would you mind elaborating?
Also, you're going back.
944c82 No.3106
>>3105
Freech is where /ints/ went after Bui shitbombed them off the site. They've always been kind of swell to me though. I think most of the shit posters just do it for fun.
14896a No.3107
>>3105
Freech is a website inhabited by the shills that ruined /int*/. They are all metafaggots. The site is 100% dedicated to 8chan meta discussions. You can see for yourself at https://freech.net/fam
They are uncreative and have no memes since leaving /int*/ but they swarm 8chan every time anything major happens.
14896a No.3108
>>3106
There were good users of /int*/ but they seem to be outnumbered by the pieces of shit that float to the surface. I am one of the good ones hopefully
65a10d No.3109
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lol some faggot thinks I'm you
65a10d No.3110
>>3109
also,>>3056
, the op of that thread has your gf's dox in his thread.
65a10d No.3111
>>3110
>>3056
not complete dox (no address), so don't worry much
65a10d No.3112
http://8ch.net/b/res/4982105.html#q4982105
here's the op of that thread, have fun
also masterchan is raiding with ponies, and his thread is a prime target, lol
65a10d No.3113
8e22cb No.3114
>>3112
Don't you just do
>>>/b/4982105
For cross board linking?
343e56 No.3115
>>3113
Looks like a dumbass twitterfag
who doxxed herself by putting her info on there
3f7a04 No.3117
>I like cute white girls with short hair.
What the fuck Josh, you should kill yourself.
19fec4 No.3118
>people are trying to push that Josh is dating the admin of the Atheism+ Blockbot
Lazy and retarded
19fec4 No.3119
>>3117
>UAE
>Anything more than beta cash-flashing cucks
b1e9e7 No.3120
3f7a04 No.3121
1f78d1 No.3122
>>3118
Josh, have you considered that maybe the problem lies within the framework and database? This seems to be the reason why 8chan is built around an HTML generator,
944c82 No.3123
>>3121
hold the fuck up
RARE FLAG
RARE FLAG
RARE FLAG
RARE FLAG
RARE FLAG
RARE FLAG
RARE FLAG
RARE FLAG
RARE FLAG
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b1e9e7 No.3124
so.... when is the beta going to be back up?
8a3eea No.3125
>>3102
>not liking pugs
wtf is wrong with you
a5e448 No.3126
>>3124
When Josh solves all the problems in the OP.
7d00bf No.3127
>>3064
No, it failed.
You should have tested with what you were going to roll out onto, not just with what you had has your setup. If you did that, you would have seen the perf issue before the migration.
Same with the UID. You should have looked at the rollout server a long time ago and made sure you knew how it was set up, then emulated that setup, with the right UID on your dev system.
TL;DR - It failed. It happens. Lesson learned. Do it right this time.
944c82 No.3128
>>3127
We had to freeze the database to create a complete backup. We reviewed other options beforehand.
d97721 No.3129
>>3128
Josh, you are a bisexual.
944c82 No.3130
>>3129
I just like qtgirls what's wrong with that.
0db6d3 No.3131
>>3130
Haha oh lord you're a trainwreck in general man
182ee6 No.3132
19fec4 No.3134
b89cb3 No.3135
944c82 No.3136
182ee6 No.3137
I need to post donk mems, josh, hurry up and fix this shit.
19fec4 No.3138
>>3137
>howtoget7repliesonv.webm
1c3db3 No.3139
So if everything isn't sorted out by new years day you go into the ovens?
Sounds like a plan to me.
944c82 No.3140
>>3139
If we're not live by New Years I will personally admit failure and upload a picture of my cock to ED
d97721 No.3141
>>3140
I'll hold you to that.
d05a2e No.3142
>>3140
cant they just fire you and get someone who actually knows how to code and design a website that doesnt look like shit instead? no one wants to see your microdick
24e6d5 No.3144
>>3140
needs more humiliation tbh
944c82 No.3145
>>3142
lol no. who the fuck's going to fire me? if copy says that we're not using next now, what do we use? 8chan's bleeding out faster than light because of problems with the software. nothing else can step up to bat in time to save it besides my project. everyone who tried to compete with me early on lost.
182ee6 No.3146
>>3140
you have to draw a sad face on the head too
d05a2e No.3147
>>3145
I'd rather not use a site made by a pedophile though. Have you stopped diddling little boys and girls yet jewsh?
b89cb3 No.3148
944c82 No.3149
>>3147
After converting to Islam and seeing the Light of Alalh, I am cured of all perversions anon.
With the help of my internet GF @VanguardVivian and the Great Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) I see the err of my ways.
1f6c5b No.3150
>>3145
There are ways to staunch the bleed and add more duct tape and bailing wire to 8ch until an alternative can be found. HW, rightfully so, didn't do that because he knows its just filling holes in the wall with toothpaste and eventually you have more toothpaste than walls. But there's still a bit of plaster left in case you end up fucking a goat.
People who think themselves irreplaceable usually are replaceable. Stop fapping in the mirror and worry more about fixing this shit before we all have to see your dick on ED.
You don't really want to go down in history as a fuckup developer, do you?
d05a2e No.3151
>>3149
but islam supports raping little kids, you're not fooling me kike
944c82 No.3152
>>3150
If only you knew how bad things really were.
The software is fine, though.
e3b088 No.3153
>>3146
>>3148
And FAILURE down the shaft, but if that doesn't fit, just put FAIL
1f6c5b No.3155
>>3152
I'm an oldfag whose been writing software for 30+ years. I can smell the 8chan software corpse from here. The smell of desiccating code is one I know all too well. It smells like Windows.
Which is why I'm on your side and telling you these things. You've spent a ton of time and effort on this already. Don't become the Tim Schafer of imageboard software and leave us with a Spacebase DF-9.
e3b088 No.3156
>>3155
infinity next is open source, you could contribute.
351899 No.3157
>>3067
>They don't shave their vaginas. Like, at all.
Nigga u gay.
1f6c5b No.3158
>>3156
I would, but I would probably fuck it up more than help at first since I'm not a PHP/DB programmer and would have to learn that.
Rewrite it in C and run it in kernel mode, and I'm your boy.
d97721 No.3159
>>3155
>I'm an oldfag
No you're not.
944c82 No.3160
>>3155
I'm up on a sleepless night planning out the new caching for our permission system. I've got a flight in 5 hours and I'm too wired to sleep.
I'm hoping once these final two performance related items are taking care of we'll be golden. I'm betting on it. If the only issues left are front-end bullshit we can take care of that over time. People can contribute little JS crap using my widget system. It'll be good. My nerves are just fried and I need some time to fuck around a bit.
e3b088 No.3161
944c82 No.3162
>>3161
Nah. Whoever wrote that in tried to revert it in the history saying "sorry i made this up" and sysops reverted for the lulz.
d05a2e No.3163
>>3161
no goy it's all a lie jewsh is a gud goy who dindu nuffin listen and believe
t. IRCfriend
e3b088 No.3164
944c82 No.3165
>>3164
That was in 2013. Before I became .. adjusted.
5c7bb7 No.3166
>>3095
have you ever considered that "the anons worth pissing off" were right?
That failure won't come as one big spectacular immediate failure, but one slow failure over the course of a month or two as users vacate the site because you never listened to the end user and they don't want to use the stupid bullshit you're essentially forcing them to use?
That even if you are successful, you'll be a huge failure anyways?
d97721 No.3167
5c7bb7 No.3168
I still don't see why we are trying to preserve data that would, under normal imageboard circumstances, be deleted from the board in a few days or two.
Can you answer this finally, josh? Why are you trying to preserve a database that is supposed to be, by design, temporary?
944c82 No.3169
>>3166
Heh.
>>3167
No, you misunderstand. I don't mean that I'm fixed, I mean that I made a choice. At that moment I could either delete everything and remove myself from the Internet entirely, or I could embrace the drama and operate by a new set of rules where things like ED hit pages stop mattering. I think you can tell which one I went with.
>>3168
It was demanded.
773cc6 No.3170
>>3168
>I still don't see why we are trying to preserve data that would, under normal imageboard circumstances, be deleted from the board in a few days or two.
That's not true on slow boards.
5c7bb7 No.3171
>>3169
>it was demanded.
by whom?
1f6c5b No.3172
>>3168
You have a partial point.
Maybe they should just preserve stickies and such and let the normal posts "slide" It would take import less time
>>3169
>It was demanded
So? If you could deny the CSS everyone wanted, which you should have done, you should deny copying 6 gorilion posts that would slide in a day anyhow, as you should do.
You're autism is directed at the wrong thing.
944c82 No.3173
>>3172
It was not demanded by the average user.
1f6c5b No.3174
>>3172
> If you could deny the CSS everyone wanted, which you should have done,
Meaning - you should have done the CSS people wanted
5c7bb7 No.3175
>>3170
We could still have the old 8chan frozen in an archival state and it would still be true.
I really don't see the logic of preserving 25000 hatsune miku shitposts, especially when you can just make the current 8ch.net into archive.8ch.net, freeze it, and then let content filter over to the new boards as needed.
1f6c5b No.3176
>>3173
Even easier. Just take cripplekike's keyboard and refuse to give it back until he comes to his senses.
944c82 No.3177
>>3174
Mate, you can't call me autistic and then drone on and on for a fucking year about CSS.
"Y-you MOVED SOMETHING. Something is DIFFERENT. You autist!"
don't work.
0145c5 No.3178
>>3168
>>3172
See >>>/tech/472055
1f6c5b No.3179
>>3177
Sure I can. Just because I'm an autist doesn't mean you're not. In fact, it makes it even easier for me to detect your 'tism.
32ed9f No.3180
>>3177
>Tries to fix what isn't broken
>calls others autistic
1f6c5b No.3181
>>3178
OK, that makes sense.
It may not be worth the time it takes to discern "keep" from "toss"; it would probably take longer than pulling it into the new DB, so yeah, copying everything is unfortunately the best way probably.
22811b No.3182
/sp/ is at 76chan/sp/ laughing at you
fuck off
5c7bb7 No.3183
>>3177
The bad CSS doesn't bother me, what bothers me instead is how you cry "THE MODS WILL FIX IT" in regards to the CSS but you've increased the complexity of cssing the board from a simple 200 line CSS to a 1000 line monstrosity leaving the end users to rely on people who actually can into complicated css to fix it for them.
>>3178
see >>3175 freeze the current database of 8ch, and turn it into an archive. that way content can be preserved from super slow super rich boards like >>>/howIgotahandjobfrommycousinwheniwas12/
944c82 No.3184
>>3183
The vast majority of that CSS does not affect the board view and if you look at yotsuba.css provided with the software, changing just colors is rudimentary.
d97721 No.3185
>>3184
Good God, you are a cunt.
944c82 No.3186
>>3185
lol i wasn't even being mean. jeez. I've extended help to people before regarding css and html layouts.
970151 No.3188
Josh,
>If the site is significantly stabilized before then, we will begin moving more adaptable communities like /sp/ over to get a feel for how the site handles load.
TL;DR:
Can we volunteer boards to be moved?
Blather follows:
The larger boards might be more useful here, but a smaller, slower board could help test.
If you move the user threads and posts over to be as close a mirror as possible we'd really be up for this. Even the current state is OK, and will be for a week or so.
We would not mind being a bit of a guinea pig test platform if we could say goodbye to all the 404s and 502s and whatnot, even in the face of further occasional development weirdness.
If you are willing to take volunteer boards I'll put it to the user base for a day or two of feedback just to be sure. (I'm pretty sure they'd be OK with it, but it's best to be polite with this.)
We don't care about minor wemb glitches not making it over (we're not big users of such), nor do we care if some of the board assets fail to migrate. The board staff can handle that.
944c82 No.3189
>>3187
>>>/cow/
czaks is useless and my other remarks are spot on. Stay mad.
32ed9f No.3190
>>3187
This is what we get for trusting nerds/jews
944c82 No.3191
>>3188
Board volunteers have already been imported.
The site is not OK to use because the initial compilation of permissions is too slow and you guys would experience periodic (hourly?) instances where the site would become completely unusable for a number of minutes.
Once that is sorted out I promise I will start letting people in.
54d38d No.3192
>>3187
what IRC client is that?
d05a2e No.3193
>>3189
>lel umad bruh umad ebinlly tralled XDDDD
this is why i was against hotwheel letting ledditors take over this site
32ed9f No.3194
>>3189
halfchan hotpocket tier delusion
5c7bb7 No.3195
>>3184
I made a tomorrow theme off of your yotsuba. changing colors is not "rudimentary" since you have the board split up into five sections, each section having its own color selection and figuring out which value changes which section is largely trial and error.
secondly, that's just for recoloring your shit. Doing anything else, anything at all, and you're pretty much relying on css mavens like the /nexttest/ guy or the /miku/ guy.
thirdly, you're a cunt.
17ed2b No.3196
>>3191
Isn't there something you could be doing instead of shitposting you fucking retard? I hope you get the axe. I mean an actual axe, to the dome piece.
5c7bb7 No.3197
>>3169
>>3171
you never answered. Demanded by whom?
970151 No.3198
>>3191
OK, and -- yeah. We're chomping at the bit. I'm sure I'm not the only board staff member who would be screaming at the users and the BO to get in on something like this early, in spite of the risk.
Keep on keeping on, and thank you.
944c82 No.3199
>>3195
My job isn't to wipe your ass.
d969ee No.3200
>>3189
>>3187
Why the fuck am I still here
literally children running things
take up a better hobby
24e6d5 No.3201
d97721 No.3202
>>3199
Fucking cunt. I wish I could find so I could set you on fire.
e9b590 No.3203
944c82 No.3204
>20 replies in 60 seconds
>almost nothing of value
Useless.
32ed9f No.3205
>>3199
You were asked to renovate a house and you've taken it upon yourself to make an apartment building nobody asked for.
d05a2e No.3206
>>3204
>pedo
>cant even into web design and imageboards correctly
>calling others useless
hope you have fun getting raped in jail
76da15 No.3207
>>3201
Pretty much, yes. This failure will keep only the truly dedicated autists here.
e20335 No.3208
>>3064
>Tone policing is still import if your goal is not to make 10,000 nerds who don't understand computers fly into a fit, though.
kek, very true
5c7bb7 No.3209
>>3199
>My job isn't to wipe your ass.
What exactly IS your job then? because it's apparently not delivering the product your end users are asking for.
Also, Irony is this boards subheader.
f07a09 No.3210
>>3199
>>3204
Seems like someone can't handle the stress from a botched delivery!
You might want to apologize to the laravel devs later
64a9cf No.3211
I am content to wait and see.
An 8chan that actually works would be wondrous.
d8e936 No.3212
>>3061
wow we finally fucking agree on something
773cc6 No.3213
>>3184
>The vast majority of that CSS does not affect the board view
Couldn't it be moved to a separate file then?
32ed9f No.3214
>>3211
>An imageboard that just werks
What's wrong with you? Imageboards should be over complicated and users should be mad at all times.
2a9a11 No.3215
As a guy who is studying about database and website design it really pains me to see such ignorance and unwarranted smugness in this thread by people who think they know shit.
Most of the things Josh did so far were correct decisions, especially considering this is the first time he is undertaking such a huge project mostly alone.
24e6d5 No.3216
>>3207
still no way in hell i go back to 4chan.
the new owner is a rulecuck who fucks trannies and bans all fun posters
>>3211
this, i just want /sp/ with minimal hotpockets, and the ability to post eventbowls and shitpost threads at my leisure, is that so much to ask ?
0145c5 No.3217
>>3183
I'm a bit confused. What kind of benefit would not importing the old content have? Do you think it's a solution to the performance problems?
76da15 No.3218
>>3216
>actually suggesting halfchan
find another alt chan. move your community.
944c82 No.3219
>>3210
I'm not stressed over the software, I'm very content with that.
>>3215
My threads are always disasters and they're horribly entertaining. I just like chit chatting with people about software, then it gets linked on all these boards and you can see screeching autists flood in with their unwarranted sense of self-importance and impotent rage. I have some fucking huehue saying he wants to literally set me on fire. Me building software has impacted his emotional state to such a degree and it's amazing.
Literally all I want to do is have casual chats and instead it has to be hard chats all the time. This is why your ideas and suggestions get ignored. It's very difficult for me to see who in this thread is actually someone worth paying attention to.
17ed2b No.3220
>>3215
I don't think sucking his dick will help.
That said, it's beyond infuriating that he still doesn't provide much insight into the development process and the current status given his recent failure. He prefers to shitpost instead.
>>3219
You don't need to chat. Just do your job and give us updates. That's it.
f07a09 No.3221
>>3219
>unwarranted sense of self-importance
>"Well I'm sorry I couldn't reduce my detailed explanation about Laravel's multiple failures with Postgres to one sentence for Mr. President. Here's another failure that I need help with but I can assume I can't rely on you fucking people to this either."
Priceless. Fucking priceless.
91dbd9 No.3222
OY VEY GOYIM, JUST GIVE ME A FEW MORE BITCOIN!
d969ee No.3223
>>3219
please stop embarrassing yourself and me and get some sleep.
You're acting like someone who's never been on an imageboard before. I can't believe how much you hate 8chan yet you still work on it. these stereotypical "im not mad" replies are hard to read from you.
If you hate this place so much, just give up.
32ed9f No.3224
>>3219
>I won't listen to the userbase because they hurt my feelings
d97721 No.3225
>>3219
>You hurt my feelings! I'll ignore you!
No doubt, you are the world's most autistic son of a bitch, and you should get ass-raped with a lightsaber.
d05a2e No.3226
make sure to buy those ads goys we need the money to keep our broken servers working and to get ready for infinity never
b890d2 No.3227
>>3219
>Literally all I want to do is have casual chats and instead it has to be hard chats all the time
every meta thread on 8chan feels like it gets raided by people that don't like 8chan.
944c82 No.3228
>>3223
8chan as a whole is fine. There's a lot of good on this site. The problem is that meta topics become completely clouded with people only concerned with getting their hand in the cookie jar. It's why /meta/ and /operate/ both failed to do their job. You don't have very many people frequenting those boards to make honest suggestions and give honest input, they're almost always filled with argumentative cunts who want to impose themselves on high decisions as frequently as possible. It's like a game.
What's also interesting is the responses I get to these comments. I'm allowed to insult you. These bombastic people who flock to these threads are pitiful. There's a reason why administration never talks to anyone anymore. It's just pointless.
32ed9f No.3229
>>3226
Don't forget to donate some of your FanDuel hundos to Jewstein. He's the reason 8chan just werks, you should be more appreciative you silly goys.
d05a2e No.3230
>>3228
>8chan as a whole is fine. There's a lot of good on this site.
>site doesnt even work
>its fine
19fec4 No.3231
>>3228
Maybe if it wasn't for HW's fetish for lolbergtarian non-moderation, /meta/ and /operate/ would have had a chance to be more than a colony for trolls and butthurt faggots.
You all have no one but yourselves to blame and deflecting it on the user base does you all no favors.
d969ee No.3232
>>3228
Why do you think that is?
c7cf48 No.3233
>>3228
>8chan as a whole is fine.
Multiple boards are frozen.
/sp/ left.
Threads break at around 300 posts.
Things are not fine.
32ed9f No.3234
>>3228
We insult you because we know your ears are already shut. You don't give a shit, and you never gave a shit. You can't handle criticism so we treat you how we would treat any autist in any thread.
We can say "we don't want this" 50x and you'll still be adamant that we're just haters. Go kill yourself faggot.
0145c5 No.3235
>>3230
>>3233
He means the community, not the software. I think he's aware that the software is broken.
17ed2b No.3236
>>3228
>8chan as a whole is fine
AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
77b7b0 No.3237
>>3056
Hey Josh. I haven't really paid much attention to the whole infinity next program and I see people are giving you a lot of shit for it.
I don't know much about programming but I do know a lot about people.
Now I don't necessarily have anything against you or any changes you've made but I'm curious.
Why did you think that changing everything around was a good idea? Did you honestly think that everyone would love the changes you made and the backlash was unexpected? Or did you not think about it much because you were working on the back end?
I'm not trying to take a jab at you, I'm just curious is all.
e6e876 No.3238
KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
U ALL FUCKED GRINGOOO
AHAHA KKKK
AEHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
c7cf48 No.3239
>>3235
/sp/ left.
Users are leaving.
99bd0f No.3240
>>3228
>There's a lot of good on this site
32ed9f No.3241
>>3238
You seem knowledgeable, would like a job developing infinity never?
(GAS THE SWEDES, CUCK WARS YES) 944c82 No.3242
>>3230
I meant the userbase, you illiterate dipshit.
>>3231
What? Do you want me to start banning people shitting up this thread? Do you think that's going to help? Then the topic becomes, "oh Josh needs a safe space! can't handz the bantz, ayy lmao, ints was right again". It's a futile endeavor; there is no winning. Might as well have fun.
>>3232
Dunno. I guess it's fun. It's extremely difficult to engage people as a result, though. I understand now why popular imageboard admins stop talking to their userbase, though. If I didn't thrive on drama I'd of stopped months ago.
>>3233
I meant the userbase, you illiterate dipshit.
>>3234
I can handle criticism. Just because I reject something you say doesn't mean it wasn't considered.
>>3236
I meant the userbase, you illiterate dipshit.
>>3237
The amount of substantive change in Next is minimal. I took a different approaches to thinks that annoyed me personally about the site. The global nav is totally worthless, it's very difficult to draft posts and read posts at the same time, etc. Nothing I do is without reason.
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605728 No.3243
>>3239
Where are they going?
b890d2 No.3244
>>3231
Libertarianism works for the site as a whole but for specific boards with a purpose like /meta/ and /operate/, not so much.
To get those boards working guys like 32ed9f have to be gassed.
a5e448 No.3245
>>3187
>There is only one two things keeping 8chan from submerging at this very second
>1. A person. Not the one you think.
I have an autistic theory that is probably bullshit but hey, speculation doesn't hurt anything:
Is this person the same one who gave hotwheels and Next generous bitcoin donations?
Is this person the same one who is rumored to have bought eight grand worth of Trump ads to support server costs?
Is Trump Jr. keeping this shithole afloat?
I've had my suspicions ever since a Trump showed up on /pol/, those Trump ads started and a couple cases of 8/pol/ OC showing up on Trump's twitter even before half/pol/
d97721 No.3246
>>3242
>I can handle criticism. Just because I reject something you say doesn't mean it was considered.
>I can handle criticism
e6e876 No.3247
944c82 No.3248
>>3244
Okay anon. Pick IDs and I'll ban them.
>>3245
If he is, he should start paying me. I'll make 8chan great again.
17ed2b No.3249
>>3242
>people leaving in droves
>"i-i-it's fine guise!!!11"
I feel bad for picking on you now. I hope you do well man, just know that the way you respond to the users is wholly inadequate because you just sperg out.
2a9a11 No.3250
>>3245
Suddenly these Trump ads which are always there make sense.
Wouldn't be surprised if that was true, weirder shit has happened.
944c82 No.3251
>>3249
Even after I clarified four times I see people still miss the point. This is what I mean, you see what you want to see and nothing else. It never once occurred to you that there are two ways to interpret that post; one being retarded, the other not retarded.
c7cf48 No.3252
>>3243
How would I know? What's important is they're not here anymore.
19fec4 No.3253
>>3242
>What? Do you want me to start banning people shitting up this thread? Do you think that's going to help? Then the topic becomes, "oh Josh needs a safe space! can't handz the bantz, ayy lmao, ints was right again". It's a futile endeavor; there is no winning. Might as well have fun.
No you stupid nigger, you used /meta/ and /operate/ as examples of the community failing when it was a complete lack of quality control. HW made /operate/ to try to do what /meta/ failed at doing and changed absolutely nothing about his approach, and the same fucking thing happened. So his response, rather than trying something new, is to sit in IRC all fucking day and act like he's far too important for you if you try to approach him with anything and smear the community as impossible to deal with when his approach was shit to begin with.
/meta/ and /operate/ being dumps are because of HW's failings from a community management standpoint and his "muh freedumbz" approach to moderation, even if the board's supposed to be one where good conversations are had.
But who am I kidding, someone else explained it in two sentences and you took it in a completely different direction.
d05a2e No.3254
>>3248
>banning people you dont like
>trying to create a hugbox
>>>/reddit/
you have to go back jewsh
944c82 No.3255
>>3253
I'm not seeing how your approach to moderation would not yield a "wow he's banning people that must mean he wants a safe space with no criticism". People already take my refutation of ideas to be an absolute rejection of any critique. I don't know why I should even bother.
b890d2 No.3258
>>3248
>Okay anon. Pick IDs and I'll ban them.
17ed2b
>>3254
>>banning people you dont like
they are posting no content, it's low level trolling trying to shit up the thread. Their posts are a useless distraction..
19fec4 No.3259
>>3255
Would you rather have people that argue in bad faith crying about how you were mean to them, or two boards meant for community interaction with nothing but static, memeing, flames, and cancer?
944c82 No.3263
Okay, fine. I'll start banning people. I will usher in a new era of hotpockets and they will burn the fuck out of the roof of your mouth.
22811b No.3264
9b80ee No.3266
>>3242
Way to keep your cool friend.
17ed2b No.3267
>>3251
To be fair, it was open for interpretation. It's not an important point, we just want the site to be fixed. We don't like that you're not forthcoming or organized with how you communicate information.
In case you weren't aware, the people angry enough to post vitriol here are usually the people who are most invested in the site. Most of us are 4chan exodusers, so it's not completely beyond the realm of possibility that we exodus again, so just LISTEN to what we are saying even if it's hidden under a blanket of 'faget kike what is taking so long' type language.
And can you please, for the love of tittyfucking christ, set up a locked sticky or a twatter so we can follow up with progress?
605728 No.3268
>>3267
We will make a exodus to...?
944c82 No.3269
e392b1 No.3270
1d5572 No.3271
>>3263
How about fixing next instead of sitting here, waiting for a reply that will offend you like the SJW-like-minded cunt you are so you can swing down the hammer of justice on them and feel just a little bit better about yourself?
e6e876 No.3272
aehoooooooooooooo
go josh go
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAH
b890d2 No.3273
>>3267
stop saying "we" you faggot.
there is no "we", it's (you)
(you) speak for (you)
77b7b0 No.3274
>>3242
>The amount of substantive change in Next is minimal.
I did notice that it was mostly rearranged and all the same things were there which is mostly why I never bothered to say anything
>I took a different approaches to thinks that annoyed me personally about the site.
Frankly, I think this was probably why people are mad. Everybody liked the site that they had. I drive a standard car, it makes things more difficult, but I like doing it simply because I've become accustomed to it. If I took it to a mechanic for an oil change and he converted it to an automatic because he didn't personally like standard, I'd be pretty pissed.
I don't think I need to explain how that analogy applies to all of this.
Why haven't you just shrugged your shoulders and promised to change the front end back when you're done with the back end?
It would probably be a little water on the fire at least.
Maybe its a stupid question, but like I said, I know nothing of programming and I wouldn't know if there were issues preventing this.
>it's very difficult to draft posts and read posts at the same time
I have never experienced this problem, but that might have to do with growing accustomed to it.
19fec4 No.3275
>>3268
/sp/ moved to another site. There are alternates out there, alternates that want your traffic.
605728 No.3276
24e6d5 No.3277
>>3268
/sp/ is on 76chan right now
lots of other sites out there too
this list probably isnt even complete
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/List_of_*chan_boards
45e00f No.3278
>>3258
>they are posting no content, it's low level trolling trying to shit up the thread. Their posts are a useless distraction..
ayy lmao
welcome back to 4chan everybody!
17ed2b No.3279
22811b No.3280
>>3275
/sp/ is using 76chan as a bunker for now
Not sure if its a permanent move
a5e448 No.3281
>>3248
>If he is, he should start paying me
If my speculation is correct, Trump Jr. already paid you faggot.
Now hurry up and finish Next.
Do you really want to disappoint a Trump, Josh?
e6e876 No.3283
>>3281
BUNDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
CUUUUU
AEHJOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
da0266 No.3285
>>3268 There was dissent on halfchan before we migrated here. An option will always pop up, right now /sp/ is on 76chan, we're free and there's nothing this nerd can do about it.
>>3258
Why would we bother to make serious posts if Josh won't listen either way? Hop off of his cock.
17ed2b No.3287
>>3284
To be fair, I meant to reply to >>3187 instead of the one in your post
e6e876 No.3288
>>3286
I too like banana huehuehueuhe
944c82 No.3289
>>3282
Contact information. I don't think there's anything left to add here.
a5e448 No.3290
>>3286
>>3288
I wasn't aware huemonkey shantytowns have internet.