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05284a No.886

Could we get something like PhotoDNA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PhotoDNA) for Infinity Next?

f1108a No.887

We're going to have a similar system in terms of banning images that are child pornography, but it's not going to do anything besides reject the post.


f26984 No.893

>>887

rulecuck


f1108a No.894

>>893

Yes, laws are rules and they must be followed unless you enjoy felony convictions for distributing images of children being raped.


7029ec No.895

>>893

Do you like crime? Are degenerate and pedosex?


245489 No.904

>>895

Check the flag and ask yourself whether that question's necessary


7d1d07 No.906

>>895

>implying having this implemented can't be later on abused for things other than child porn


f1108a No.909

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>>906

Then stop visiting 8chan. If your immediate reaction to "we can help keep cp off the website" is "copypaste will start fuzzy banning any DMCA material", then you need to stop visiting 8chan. You obviously have no faith in the administration or its staff and believe the second they have any increased capacity to stop CP from being uploaded, they will begin to dismantle the freedom of information on the site.

I'm going to make this a long post so I can link to it in the future. Here is why this argument is retarded.

Lets say I upload a picture from a movie. Maybe a really popular screenshot of some famous scene. The MPAA can legally say, "hey! take down that material!", and we may be forced to oblige it. This also goes for things like pornography.

But we won't fuzzy ban it. We will never fuzzy ban it. There is something called Fair Use, and even in America with its retarded and broken copyright laws, Fair Use is reason enough not to fuzzy ban this screenshot.

You can take my screenshot and edit it. Make it funny. Give CIA the Bane mask. Replace CIA with Bane and all of the armed guards with henchmen. Make CIA into Obama. I don't know, who cares. Do whatever you want with it.

'There is no way to make child pornography legal. If you take a picture of a child being raped and give her a Bane mask, it's still fucking child pornography. The same rules do not apply. It's not even in the same universe of law. There is never a "fair use" policy to pictures or video of molestation or exploitation.

The only way you can think that fuzzy banning is a bad idea is if: 1) You have no faith in the administration, or 2) you think CP threads are funny and want to continue risking the site's stability.

Right now, there's probably some hidden board that's nothing but CP. We bust them all the fucking time. People make a new board, upload 100 megabytes of children being raped, and then let it sit up there as they share the URL with their pedophile friends. With this technology, we can ban every single image that shows up when this happens, and continuously make the process more cumbersome for pedophiles until it's not worth the effort. The technology specifically works around edits (like adding black bars to the sides, slightly editing the aspect ratio, color shifting it 1%, etc) so you either have to distort the image until it's not effective sexual stimulation or impossible to recognize, and you have to do it for every single item.

There will still be ways to hash images so that you can upload CP around the system, but that still takes time. The main idea here is to make it time consuming. Make it so that 8ch is not a safe habitat for child pornography, and that there are better and easier targets for this sort of dump.


6153df No.910

>>909

can you shed some light on why this happens, please?

>>>/operate/37037


f1108a No.912

>>910

... because the software is shit.


6153df No.914

>>912

no, really, shouldn't blank posting never be possible?

what possibly causes it? is it an issue with tinyboard/vichan/infinity, or is it something on my end?


90c67a No.915

>>914

>... because the software is shit.

Its a problem with vichan I suppose. I don't know the details. Maybe Null can shed some light on it.

What is proven to be an issue of vichan is a tendency to deadlock itself until the entire system gets a stroke. It happens here sometimes and it has happened on 4chon when /v/ tried to migrate to it. The posting errors people are getting sometimes are less severe version of that behavior.


6153df No.916

>>915

>Maybe Null can shed some light on it.

that's why I'm asking here

>Its a problem with vichan I suppose

that's what I assumed, but I'm asking for confirmation that yes, this is an issue with the software itself, and no, I'm not crazy/this isn't a problem on my end

I'll try to dump a folder, a few posts will go through, then I'll get hit with flood detection, and the next post is will be completely blank

but it shouldn't be blank, should it?

I didn't enter a comment, but I did submit multiple files

If I try to make a blank post, with nothing in the comment field, and no files attached, then I get an error: The body was too short or empty.

the server must be recognizing that I submitted files, otherwise the post wouldn't go through, so why are the files missing?


4a23f1 No.917

>>906

If you trust no one with power then you don't deserve their protection either.


926792 No.918

>>914

It is possible to blankpost by giving the software a file it can't access, I don't know if it works here, because of the captcha, but it can be done on normal boards.

I do it by opening a zip archive hidden in an image and dragging one of it's files into the drop box, it will be recognized as a file upload but since the file can't be accessed, it will result in a blank post.


926792 No.919

>>918

just tried, this board uses the robot 9000 for some reason, so it blocks my blankpost as unoriginal content

>>>/test/12688

as you see, there is no invisible character here, this is simply another bug in the software


f1108a No.920

>>919

Yep ... which is why we're replacing it.


32050a No.922

>>918

but my images don't have embedded archives


0dc6e8 No.924

>>886

>microsoft pretending they invented file hashing

lel


926792 No.925

>>922

I was just talking about how to purposefully trigger this bug, your issue is unrelated to this.

Although I'm not sure why, 8ch sometimes rejects the files you post, only your text post appears. If you only uploaded pictures, this will result in a blank post.

Also, it's still impossible to post larger files on a captcha board if your internet connection is slow, the captcha will change before the file is finished uploading and your post will be rejected for having mistyped the captcha.


21f4f2 No.926

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Open in gimp and export as a raw image


d1deb4 No.928

>>926

I don't have gimp, but refer to what I said here:

>Right now, there's probably some hidden board that's nothing but CP. We bust them all the fucking time. People make a new board, upload 100 megabytes of children being raped, and then let it sit up there as they share the URL with their pedophile friends. With this technology, we can ban every single image that shows up when this happens, and continuously make the process more cumbersome for pedophiles until it's not worth the effort. The technology specifically works around edits (like adding black bars to the sides, slightly editing the aspect ratio, color shifting it 1%, etc) so you either have to distort the image until it's not effective sexual stimulation or impossible to recognize, and you have to do it for every single item.

>There will still be ways to hash images so that you can upload CP around the system, but that still takes time. The main idea here is to make it time consuming. Make it so that 8ch is not a safe habitat for child pornography, and that there are better and easier targets for this sort of dump.


21b50d No.931

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>>924

Yeah they finally caught on to the apple technique

>take idea

>Add trendy design

>give it a new name

>act like you invented it and changed the game


86eeba No.982

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>>909

All you have to do joshy boy is code up a page that shows the last 1000 images recently uploaded on any board on the site (not unlike the front page of imgur or the recently uploaded images on masterchan) so you can more effectively nuke CP like I suggested a long time ago.

That being said, your argument also falls apart when you take into account events like the fappening. You WILL be forced to pull those down like 4chan and even Masterchan was. All your argument is "w-well we don't care about the DMCA guys we'll just say it's free use everybody just trust us :)" falls apart because it doesn't take into account the fact that you WILL be pressed hard by the law to fingerprint stuff that powerful people don't want posted. Last time it was celebrity nudes, in the future it will probably be something else with how the trends are going


a53afe No.983

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>>982

>This whole post

Could you back up everything you just said?

>it doesn't take into account the fact that you WILL be pressed hard by the law to fingerprint stuff that powerful people don't want posted

Pressed how hard, with what?

If its anything less than armed men being thrown on Hotwheels house, nothing will change. You can't sue someone for not fuzzy banning an image, only for not removing it at all.


86eeba No.984

>>983

>Pressed how hard, with what?

Mountains and mountains of lawyers who even if they know they won't win will keep going just to get the offending hoster in the red.

>Could you back up everything you just said?

What do you need backed up

>If its anything less than armed men being thrown on Hotwheels house, nothing will change. You can't sue someone for not fuzzy banning an image, only for not removing it at all.

It's not that you can't sue someone for not fuzzy banning an image, it's that fuzzy banning makes it easier for that content to not be posted at all. Just look at the recent American Beauty/Nevermind fiasco, users absolutely HATE being told to not post something that's very clearly legal and they'll go and post it anyways regardless of moderator wishes. If fuzzybanning existed when that went down you'd be damn sure those things would be on the fuzzy list.


a53afe No.985

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>>984

>Mountains and mountains of lawyers who even if they know they won't win will keep going just to get the offending hoster in the red.

I don't think you understand, using this kind of move on content that isn't actually illegal won't make Hotwheels budge. He's been on TV protecting the pedophilia boards and generally not giving a fuck to the "legal" threats he receives as long as they aren't actually legal.

>If fuzzybanning existed when that went down you'd be damn sure those things would be on the fuzzy list.

Re-read all of >>909

Or better yet, go back to Masterchan and never turn back again.


86eeba No.986

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>>985

Hotwheels wasn't pushed to ban American Beauty stills and Nirvana album covers by anybody or any legal obligation, he did that on his own. That's not the same as being told by the MPAA to take down baneposting which can be ignored. So now do you have anything to say for that or will you just keep being a faggot?


a53afe No.987

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>>986

Yeah. In fact he didn't even ban them, it was a global volunteer that admitted he was wrong.


86eeba No.992

>>987

Except the global volunteers were acting on orders from Hotwheels


a53afe No.993

>>992

I don't think you really understand what happened, so I'll just say this:

The fuzzy ban on that image would have been removed, making this whole argument useless. Do you have anything important to mention?


9805f3 No.994

>>982

What the fuck is this image? You can't upload copyrighted images on 4chan?

>Evan Spiegel

The snapchat guy? Is he seriously saying that every image that goes through snapchat is his?

And 4chan is complying?


a53afe No.996

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>>994

It is what it is

Yep

Yes

Yes

Yes


f63516 No.998

The fuzzy image banning system will be implemented. I will not halt development to placate conspiracy theorists. The technology serves a purpose that is valid enough to continue pursuing despite all the slippery slope fallacies.




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