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My experiences are meh.
While I was in university I tried L-Theanine/Caffeine and Noopept everywhere from the low to high doses over a 9 month period and didn't notice a single significant change.

What do.

>>12
Did you try dosing them with a choline source? Taking Noopept by itself is ineffective over taking it with Alpha-GPC or CDP Choline, you may have developed a tolerance from doing so.

Something you could do to see to it that your getting a well-rounded stack is making sure you have all bases covered: a racetam source (piracetam, aniracetam, phenylpiracetam, noopept), a choline source (CDP, Alpha-GPC), and a dopaminergic source for motivation (Modafinil, D-Amphetamine, Atomoxetine, Caffeine).

What was your caffeine dosage?

>>13
Didn't know that about the choline - I bought some bitartrate with the theanine/noopept just because the reading I did seemed to suggest it was good on its own, but the overbearing smell of fish put me right off and I never took any.

Not big on chemistry/biology, so my knowledge of the stuff was largely through random websites rather than understanding anything for real.

Is caffeine really supposed to work as a motivator on its own?
My dosage was 100-150mg, in theory, but after a while of it not working like magic I had to stay up longer to get all my work in so…that fluctuated.

>>15
>Is caffeine really supposed to work as a motivator on its own?
That depends on what your definition of motivation means. Is caffeine known for its effects of prolonged focus? Yes. Is caffeine known for its stimulant effects on the CNS and the adrenal glands that produce adrenaline? Yep. Will caffeine override deficiencies or negligence in executive functioning? That's more mind over matter type of situation.

Motivation is 90% environmental, 9% visualization, 1% everything the fuck else. Unless your brain is cut from a pathway that helps out your executive reasoning, which is a frontal lobe complication (ADD, autism, etc.), then motivation is a code of diligence and perseverance. Caffeine will certainly make any task that you're doing more interesting, but it's only a tool to get you to where you're visualizing yourself to be.

Noopept, along with many of the racetams, don't have an immediate effect, either. What your mileage may have been, by what you've described here, could be entirely different from what it was actually doing, though not immediate. Keep that in mind when pursuing nootropics, the effects build up over time. If you were consistent with your dosage of Noopept (3x a day - 10mg to 40mg) and you've been able to verify through self-trials (placebo days v.s. days you took noopept) that it wasn't working, then I suggest trying something else. Definitely.

>>17
Well I was consistent with noopept and l-theanine, but rather than self-trials, I just hadn't noticed any significant effect by the end of the 9 months.

I think I'm just resistant to stuff in general though - I need a literal liter of coffee to even begin feeling the effects, and 750mL of vodka just barely gets me tipsy.

>>19
>liter of coffee
Coffee is a potent neuro-stimulant that produces cerebral vasoconstriction and if you aren't properly hydrating yourself with water (not more coffee), then you're going to dehydrate and diminish the positive benefits of caffeine. You could also have a high tolerance built up over time from consuming that much coffee.

If you want to experience coffee the right way, abstain from it for a few weeks, gradually have your coffee with a fat source (fish oil), and take it with l-theanine.

>>21
What`s the fat source for? Does a dairy component in the coffee count, or is there some extra benefit to fish oil that just makes it inherently better?

>>22
Anti-inflammatory. Go with a butter source instead of cream. This, of course, is after you wean off from having coffee and get rid of your tolerance for a few weeks.

I would be personally interested in hearing of anyone with ADHD-PI/SCT (primarily inattentive/sluggish cognitive tempo) and what they're currently doing to treat it. What I've noticed across all accounts, including mine, is that we're non-responders to traditional stimulants due to a primary disturbance in the striatum/cortex. Atomoxetine, modafinil, memantine, have been matched with SCT/PI sufferers with nominal effects. I'm wondering what, if anything, have they done for their subtype?

>>23
Nigga, did you say butter?

Nootropic experiences: Cerebrolysin is the best I have tried. Followed by NSI-189. Bacopa seems like the best to supplement over a lifetime. I have tried most of the racetams. I find oxi and phenyl addicting, and noopept the best for memory. Aniracetam and colu are comparable to each other and are good for anxiety. Over all, general health supplements have given me the biggest energy boost, antidepressant action, and focus. I will outline these below.

Most important shit to take IMO/IME:
multivitamin
fish oil
D-3
magnesium
creatine
taurine
ALCAR
curcumin (turmeric)
bacopa
ashwaghanda

all of these are dirt cheap. Take this stack first and then add in more experimental stuff like racetams and all those other goodies they talk about over on Longecity. Oh and the best reference I have found is Examine.com enjoy.