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 No.29

Just how much of an edge can nootropics give you?

On leddit, /r/nootropics, they're all like "diet, exercise and sleep are the best nootropics!" but don't give any details.

Whats the best diet? Whats the best exercise? What best way to sleep, best time to sleep from and to, how long, on your right side, left side, lying down?

 No.30

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Reddit will always default to a hands on deck approach to mitigate any actual thought would be applied to a post over there. I prefer going on websites like Longecity and Erowid to hear what users there have come up with, Longecity specifically is a treasure cove of knowledge and people there are generally of the self-experimental type, so don't be surprised if you'll so happen to go over there and see a group-buy of a unheard of research chemical from a distributor in China. Can it get a little overboard? It depends how serious YOU are when it comes to nootropics or whether you're trying to get a subtle edge on how you cognitively perform on a day to day basis. There's research compounded in the resources that I've posted in the beginner's sticky that will give you an entry point to learning more about the more popular nootropics, such as Piracetam. In certain countries (particularly, Eastern Europe), nootropics such as Picamilon and Noopept are Rx drugs, so the fact that these drugs are readily accessible to the American consumer does not negate the purported benefits that these drugs have, along with the minimal side-effect profile. Apart from the doctor-to-patient/prescribed authenticity of certain nootropics, the lengthiest amount of research done a nootropic to date, apart from caffeine, is the racetam family. The research generally agrees of its neuroprotective benefits, both clinical and anecdotal. The potential is there, but obviously not as direct as any stimulant that gives you short-term benefit with long-term harm. The tradeoff with most nootropics is that the effect is not immediate, but similar to exercise or a diet, nootropics demand a level of commitment on your part or else it'll be a drain of resources.

>best diet

Nutritionists and scientists generally agree that a Mediterranean diet has all the essentials to promote a healthy weight and cardiovascular health.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24142599
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23163793

>What's the best exercise?

There's no one best exercise. Find a routine, don't push yourself and make sure that you're giving your body time to recover. Exercise sends out signals to the pituitary gland to release endorphins, these chemical releases yield typically higher in men along with testosterone output. These hormones can help regulate mild to moderate depression, prevent certain types of cancer, sexual dysfunction and cardiovascular disease, and overall you well-being. You already knew that, though. Putting it into practice and sticking with it are essential to the bigger picture, nootropics can certainly give you the focus much like a jar of Jack3d would but without the dependency issues or the carcinogens.

>best time to sleep

This is a tough one to answer for me, as it's 2 AM and I've habitually been sleeping during the day for as long as I could remember. Fatigue is the monkey wrench in the brain's cogs for me, no matter how much sleep I'll get I wake up feeling groggy and still tired. Adopt a sleeping pattern that works best for you, but don't oversleep and shoot for 5-7 hours a day. I'm of the idea that it doesn't matter whether it's night out and you're awake, you may be nocturnal and as long as you're performing optimally, then make sure your lifestyle can coexist with your sleeping patterns. If you're supplementing for the lack of vitamin D that you're getting and compensating for the social interaction you'd get during light hours, then I don't see why it would be a problem.

>right side, left side, lying down

It doesn't matter unless you have sleep apnea or you're waking up cramped/sore. Beyond that and more importantly, the best investment that you'll ever make is a mattress. A good one. It doesn't matter how much you spend on it, just make sure that it's a medium-firm mattress and comfortable enough for you to enjoy sleeping.

The bigger picture is what works best for you and to not get deterred by lack of instant gratification, since that's what the bigger picture is all about, right?

 No.32

>best diet
Try Ray Peat diet. Fruit+red meat(lamb,beef)+dairy+seafood(cod,sole,oyster,mussels,lobster,crab). Vegetables are good if cooked well. Cook food in coconut, macadamia oil, ghee/butter or lamb/beef tallow. Avoid PUFA oils.
Legumes and grains are irrelevant to a healthy diet, the nutrients and vitamins offered by them can very easily be gained in higher quantity from other food.

Non-ruminant meats (chicken, pork, turkey, duck), nuts and high-fat fish (salmon, tuna, mackeral) are ok in moderation.
>exercise
I say lifting+sprinting. Crossfit is the road to snap city and endurance cardio is counterproductive if you lift.
Lifting gives you dat muscle and has all around proven benefits, sprinting is good for the central nervous system, legs, good cardio and feels great.
But really the best exercise is anything you'll stick to over the long term.
For lifting routine, a mixture of weight+bodyweight exercises is the best IMO and stretching is essential.
>sleep
I suggest 10pm-7am but really anything from 7-9 hours if fine. Beware below or above that, you're getting into sleep deprivation and oversleeping.

Sleeping on back, left side or right side is fine. Sleeping on stomach is bad, it obstructs your breathing and leads to cramps.
>>30
Few objections here.

>longecity

>treasure trove of knowledge
Really? Am I missing it? I couldn't find much of use there, just a whole bunch of anecdotes and people who think they're a lot smarter than they really are.
>Mediterranean diet
The "Mediterranean Diet" is a myth. It was created by Ancel Keys, who created the Diet-Heart hypothesis - that saturated fat causes heart disease.

It should be fairly obvious to anyone with knowledge of the real food that is eaten in Mediterranean countries that "The Mediterranean Diet" (olive oil, grains and veg)' is be a myth.
They eat those things but also lots of meat, butter, organs, sugar, ice cream, not to mention coffee.
>5-7 hours a day
5 hours a day is sleep deprivation.
>mattress
Also try out a hammock. Hear me out on this, totally different experience. It doesn't work for some people but for others it changes their life.

 No.33

>>32
Longecity may have the deluded pseudo-intellectual fanaticism that you'd find in many places on the internet, but also like many places on the internet that have discussions of this nature, there are diamonds in the rough. This place is no exception. It takes time to find the great threads in Longecity, but the few great ones that there are have brought light to many interesting and tried supplementation/experimentation among its users, that they're usually offhandedly recommended to newcomers and experts alike outside Longecity. I definitely enjoy going Longecity over Reddit, no question there. Also, if you're interested in just hearing about the anecdotes without the mental gymnastics going on in Longecity, then go to Erowid.

>mediterranean diet

>myth
I haven't heard of Ray Peat or the clinical data on any other diet that wasn’t the mediterranean diet. if there is any, so I'll just defend that there's evidence that shows eating a mediterranean diet, which would primarily consist of plant-based foods, is a step in the right direction for anyone wanting to try a diet. Much like the whole paleo-diet (which I initially thought was a good idea, until reading more about ketogenesis), I'm confused of your claim that it's a myth while mentioning a diet such as the Ray Peat diet. I wouldn’t mind being proved that it is worthwhile and that the Mediterranean diet is a myth, of course.

>sleep deprivation

There's no statistical or health-related reason that has determined the need for us to sleep for more than 6.5 hours a day. Any sleep routine your body acclimates to the amount of sleep debt is owed. No human body will oversleep (10+ hours) if there is no sleep debt owed. There have been studies that monitored test subjects' brainwaves after putting them through rigorous solitary confined cubicles, deprived of any light, that shows that the average mean of hours slept after the initial trials (which were 16 hours of sleep the first days) evened out to be an average that was half of that, 8 hours. Their cognition markedly approved when reaching peak sleeping hours.

Here's a study explaining that 6.5 hours is the perfect amount of sleep needed for a person to lower their risk of cancer and reap numerous other health benefits.

http://www.journalsleep.org/viewabstract.aspx?pid=27780

The study covers 1.1 million participants and ranges for the span about 6 years.

Test it out for yourself to see how your body acclimates to just 5 hours of sleep. The worst that could happen is you'll accumulate sleep debt that can be reversed in a lazy weekend.

>hammock

My grandfather used to sleep on a hammock or on the floor for most of his life. He had excellent posture and was physically active (working construction) until he was in his 70s. I still liken the fortitude that the old man had to good genes and being from a remote island (Cuba) where food is actually food.

 No.34

>>33
Also, thanks for the few contributors to this board for posting.

Hoping that we'll be able to get more posters in here.

 No.35

>>33
>if there is any, so I'll just defend that there's evidence that shows eating a mediterranean diet, which would primarily consist of plant-based foods, is a step in the right direction for anyone wanting to try a diet. Much like the whole paleo-diet (which I initially thought was a good idea, until reading more about ketogenesis), I'm confused of your claim that it's a myth while mentioning a diet such as the Ray Peat diet. I wouldn’t mind being proved that it is worthwhile and that the Mediterranean diet is a myth, of course.

Here's a good article on the subject: http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/the-mediterranean-diet-pasta-or-pastrami/

And have a funny video too while you're at it… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=773hzYEq22s

 No.38

>>35 haven't had an erection in ten days



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