/o/ - Auto

Simple, lightweight cars without AC or power steering or ABS or trac control or TPMS and all that shit.

Simple cars, quirky cars, cars that take one need and fill it completely and beautifully instead of trying to do everything.

>>3816

For some reason the decal on the side reminds me of the ECVT decal on the Justy, lol.

>>3817

I agree with this except AC and powersteering. If somethings gonna be a daily or even just a WW it better be fucking comfortable.

I do wish modern cars had a lot of character though… Like, look at a gen1 300zx. That shit just REEKS "cheap 80s powerhouse" with not only its performance but its aesthetics. That sexy, sloped bonnet…

>>3823

I don't know where the fuck you live but here AC is a necessity because vent windows don't do jack shit.

>>3824

open your window and quit complaining you faggot.

Its not that bad your just a spoiled bitch.

>>3844

Here in Florida, no AC in a car leads to sitting in a sweat pond within minutes

>>3844

opening a window does jack shit if the outside air is as hot and/or humid as the car interior's.

>>3868

drive faster

>>3816

Fucking same, ever since I was little Pop up headlights always caught my eye. It makes the car better in my eyes.

and that is why I refuse to dive a car without them.

>>3798

> Loud engines

My new car is so quiet nobody hears it coming. I have to drive with the sidelights on all winter so people realise THERE'S A FUCKING CAR HERE.

> Tailfins

Gorgeous.

>pop-ups

>wind-up windows

>simple dashboards/center consoles

>sharp lines

>good looking front/rear light clusters

>rubber bumpers

>vision around a/b/c pillars

>wired throttles

>unassisted brakes

>nice looking wheels

>lightweight RWD sedans

>low mounted lights

>wedges

>g noses

Shit you wish car companies still did

>popups

>body on frame luxobarge sedans

>sharp, angular lines without being bloated

Shit you wish car companies never did

>4+ airbags

>cars without limited slip differentials, something that actually should be mandated as default for a safety feature

>lowering compression during the malaise era, didnt even have any noticeable effect on emissions, was just due to the shitty gas at the time when they removed lead but did not add any other octane booster, although many were available and they do now

>restrictive intake manifolds, still a problem in a some newer cars, and another thing that has little effect on emissions which can further be negated by using butterfly valves to open up a second set of ports like most variable length intakes

>throttle body injection, just a lazy half-assed abomination that was outdated the day it was designed

>using plastic parts in places where they are obviously going to be degraded by heat/oil

>encrypted ECUs, full service manuals including wiring diagrams and ECU source code should be included when you buy a car, or atleast available from the dealership

>FWD econoboxes as everything but a few top end models for every brand, although somewhat inevitable

>switching from R12 freon to R134A, R12 cools faster and more efficiently and now R134A is also being phased out as it has been found to be just as environmentally damaging as freon

>>3950

>freon

No.

R12 destroys the ozone layer, has a lifetime of about 100 years and has a global warming factor vs CO2 of 10720, HFC-134a does not affect the ozone layer and only has a global warming factor of 1320 and has a 1th of the life of CFC-12.

1234yf does not attack the ozone layer and has a global warming factor of only 4 vs co2

>>3954

Oh wait, those are super old numbeer on 1234yf

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/news-sources/?mid=prnews.20140203.NY57107

all I miss are the cheapo strippo hot hatches, like the 205 and 106 Rallye

i miss closer rules for homologation cars. nower days the 'road going version' of a race car is practically nothing.

>>3957

Not sure what you would mean by harder to repair. A leak is a leak, you look for bright spots with a UV lamp. If you're unlucky and there's no UV dye in the system, just pressurize it with nitrogen, soap shit up and look for bubbles.

R-12 systems converted to 134a suck because it requires slightly higher pressures, but for the temerature range seen in normal HVAC systems, 134 and 1234 work at the same pressures, so it's pretty much a drop-in replacement for 134, other than the initial cost of the refrigerant charge, migrating to 1234 should see no significant cost increase. 1234 costs about $70 per pound, and most vehicles use between one and two pounds.

>>3974

>Not sure what you would mean by harder to repair.

when converting R12 systems to r134A you usually have to replace all of the seals and typically vacuum the system, which is a massive pain in the ass that i am fucking tired of dealing with

>134 and 1234 work at the same pressures, so it's pretty much a drop-in replacement for 134, other than the initial cost of the refrigerant charge, migrating to 1234 should see no significant cost increase. 1234 costs about $70 per pound, and most vehicles use between one and two pounds.

still too much, and its being done for very minor benefits to begin with

>>3976

Converting isn't repairing.

100$ more on the price of a car to account for the refrigerant charge isn't "still too much", and the benefit is significant as 1234yf has a global warming potential INFERIOR to CO2 and well over a thousand times less than 134a. Furthermore, working at the same pressures as 134a, it will not result in an increase in fuel consumptions that would be seen if CO2 was used, as it would need MUCH higher pressures.

I know you don't give a fuck about the environment, but fuck you, the world doesn't operate according to you. You're gonna have to get your dick hard by dumping your old oil by the road side since venting 1234yf in the atmosphere isn't going to be polluting enough for your taste.

>gripes about converting systems

Oh boohoo, why don't you cry more about having a source of revenue. I'd take having to convert old R-12 system to 134a any day over having to deal with rust that destroyed all the R-12 cars before they could be converted. When you'll need an oxy-acetylene torch and a mig welder to change the starter on an E60 5 series, then you'll know what a pain in the ass really is.

>>3977

>Converting isn't repairing.

>

>100$ more on the price of a car to account for the refrigerant charge isn't "still too much", and the benefit is significant as 1234yf has a global warming potential INFERIOR to CO2 and well over a thousand times less than 134a. Furthermore, working at the same pressures as 134a, it will not result in an increase in fuel consumptions that would be seen if CO2 was used, as it would need MUCH higher pressures.

>

>I know you don't give a fuck about the environment, but fuck you, the world doesn't operate according to you. You're gonna have to get your dick hard by dumping your old oil by the road side since venting 1234yf in the atmosphere isn't going to be polluting enough for your taste.

>

>>gripes about converting systems

>

>Oh boohoo, why don't you cry more about having a source of revenue. I'd take having to convert old R-12 system to 134a any day over having to deal with rust that destroyed all the R-12 cars before they could be converted. When you'll need an oxy-acetylene torch and a mig welder to change the starter on an E60 5 series, then you'll know what a pain in the ass really is.

t. whiny faggot who only occasionally works on cars

>>3978

>occasionally

Sorry but that's my 8 to 5

>>3979

you obviously have everything provided for you, and do not have to deal with total operating expenses, if you personally had to pay $100 more for each car that needed its AC refrigerant refilled you would feel differently

also top kek, glad i dont live in a state where they use roadsalt, you can easily find cars her from basically any era with no rust, but cars are typically driven or beaten to death here

which also means i commonly deal with a lot of R-12 cars from before 1994

>>3980

>if you personally had to pay $100 more for each car that needed its AC refrigerant refilled

Why would you give refrigerant away? Bill that shit.

>>3981

over $150 for a recharge drives a lot of customers away, and not as much as i used to but i sometimes buy, repair, and sell cars and that would cut into my profit margin

not to mention the difficulty and expense of the conversion if needed

all for a very minimal ecological benefit, where the vast majority of the total pollution comes from power it takes to operate the AC system either way

>>3982

>over $150 for a recharge drives a lot of customers away

Yes, but with the prices for 1234yf, no one's gonna be able to flat-rate it for 150. Even if you do it for 150 with an exception of "up to 1lb" you're probably still going to lose money at that price since that barely covers for the refrigerant and the guy pressing buttons on the machine, that doesn't even come close to making a dent in that new 1234yf machine you had to buy and it allows for exactly zero diagnostic time for leak checking.

Really, until 134a is phased out and 1234yf gets cheaper, it's going to be a premium service that will demand a premium price, and you'll have to dissociate yourself from that poor customer, just like you dissociate yourself from that guy that needs 7.5l of synthetic 5W40 in his SRT8: You don't do his oil changes at the same flat rate you do a Yaris do you? Or that mercedes guy that needs a 600$ yaw sensor to fix his ABS.

But anyway, up here we don't recharge AC systems, or I should say, when cars come in it's because they're empty (or nearly) and there's a leak to be fixed, so it's always a lot more expensive than the flat rate we charge for up to 1lb of 134a.

Usually in spring a lot of shit rolls in with dead AC systems. Compressor bearings go to shit because they haven't run in months, everything corrodes, road abrasives destroy condensers, etc. Cars that just come in because they're "not as cold as they used to be" are very rare.

Also, it should be quite a while before you have to deal with inoperative 1234yf AC in used cars, it should be a lot cheaper by then. ;)

>>3984

>Really, until 134a is phased out and 1234yf gets cheaper, it's going to be a premium service that will demand a premium price

most likely

>Usually in spring a lot of shit rolls in with dead AC systems. Compressor bearings go to shit because they haven't run in months, everything corrodes, road abrasives destroy condensers, etc. Cars that just come in because they're "not as cold as they used to be" are very rare.

AC is a necessity here 8 months of the year, and a lot of the systems have slow leaks that people just want you to recharge for cheap 2-3 times of year instead of fixing the leak even if you show them the problem, its also very little work from me

the better question is will R-152a (dust buster spray) work in 1234yf systems since they operate near the same pressure, like it can be used in R-134a systems if you add in compressor oil as that would be a much cheaper source of refrigerant than 1234yf

>>3985

>people just want you to recharge for cheap 2-3 times of year instead of fixing

Up here we can't do that, a leak test must be conducted before recharging, and if a leak is found, it must be fixed before recharging.

Sure there are people that do it anyway, but even these people would refuse to refill it again after the system had quickly lost a charge again.

Not car manufacturers exactly, but I wish you could still get head units that support CD changers

>>3817

>Simple, lightweight cars without AC or power steering or ABS or trac control or TPMS and all that shit.

So, economy cars?

Econoboxes have the bare minimum to be qualified as a car.

>>4067

Pretty much everything has power steering, ABS and traction control now, I believe. Unless countries other than murrika actually still get decent cars.

>>3946

>rubber bumpers

FUCKING HELL I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE

I pretty much wish popup lights were still a thing. I love the NA miata so much for it.

If there was some way of throwing popup lights on my NC i'd jump on it in a heartbeat. I love the aesthetics of the NC but miss the popup lights so much.

>>4066

People still use CDs?

>>4078

The fucking thing that gets me about ABS is that drivers don't even know what it's for. Almost everyone thinks that it's to stop the car faster. Worse, people freak out when it comes on.

>>4652

modern ABS is pretty useful actually, and ABS is generally more useful in the rain but can be a pain in the ass if youre used to non ABS brakes and want to drive hard in good weather

my solution is just to add a toggle switch to the ABS brake fuse positive power so that you can enable or disable ABS whenever you want, kek

>>4650

Just change and bumper and retrofit the lights.

>>4655

That sounds like a bitch and a half. I only do maintenance on my car because I don't have enough knowledge or experience to pull something like that off.

>>4653

Modern ABS is overzealous as fuck. I drove an acura ILX among other things, and it cuts in like every other electronic assist to protect you from your own stupid. But if I bought a fucking car, I should be able to be responsible for it no? tell that to the gubmint

>>4652

>People still use CDs?

Mainly for sound quality reasons, bluetooth and aux input from a phone or something sound terrible and most head units only support lossy files over usb, plus take a long time to search the drive and have file / folder limits

>>4713

>>4653

>have old car with beginnings of ABS

>it's also sort of traction control

>generally just tries to keep the wheels from spinning/sliding and sometimes fails

>car feels like underpowered shit and still can't do anything in the winter anyway

>yank the ABS fuse

>can now rip hektik skidz all day on dry pavement and still control the car in slippery conditions by just not being an idiot

>>4099

Our time will come again.

The GT-86 could have used rubber bumpers.

I've got a hard-on for pop ups too, but the safety measures and aerodynamic laws prevent them from being produced. They're still possible, but no company wants to sink in millions for a novelty.

I really dislike those pointless, bells and whistle type dashes with a display. I'm in my car to drive, not to watch a movie or fiddle around with a pointless system.

>>4749

Rubber bumpers performed their objective great, why they were removed is beyond me.

>>4773

probably because plastic bumpers got cheaper over time for passenger cars, I only see them used on base/commercial versions of 4x4s and pickup trucks.

>>4778

But rubber bumpers did everything better.

>expendable items; made light damage a non-issue

>less gaudy

>not pedestrian unfriendly

>doesn't need to be painted

>much more malleable

>takes flying gravel like a champ

The paint alone would probably make them more cost efficient.

>>4063

i heard somewhere that the reason behind those is so that pedastrian's limbs don't get caught up in the wheel wells in the case of a crash

Hood ornaments.

Rear gas caps.

Botnet and NSA free computers.

>>3798

> popups

>impractical

Motherfucker you're in luck.

In the seventies, the Canadians made a vehicle called the SV-1. It had all the safety features of a modern car, with pop ups. If they could do it in the seventies, they can do it now.

>>4773

Something about them uncoupling from the bumpers/holder during a collision and being a flying projectile.

Same with hood ornaments and pop up lights.

>>5940

Eh, kinda like that..

Mine is space saver spares.

Fuck 'em.

>>5940

>black plastic rubber bumpers

WHY did they ever fucking stop this?! Saved your car from damage holy crap

>>7267

90% of normalfags since the late 90s won't buy a new car unless it's 100% color-coded and therefore easy to dent.

>>4773

To sell more replacement bumpers, I assume.

>>7261

I would see you trying to stop some richfag in a Ferrari using a shitty Ford Interceptor

>>7341

>what is radio

also, some of those Po-leece cars can put out some fucking horses for what they are.

>>7261

>dubai

>home of sand niggers and the original inspiration for Need For Speed games

>>7363

>analog gauges

Yea, I miss tho-

>column shifters

Fuck you and your awkward movement-ed autotragics.

>fun, light shitboxes with larger NA engines and no assists whatsoever

>fun hot hatches based on said shitboxes

>RWD cars instead of unfun fwd shit cars

>larger engines in general

>simpler, less agressive designs that actually fit the type of car you fucking have

>cars you can fix yourself

>electronicless cars

>>7364

fuck you nigger my dad had several C25 vans and you could easily fit 3 guys on the front row because column mounted manual shifter