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663477 No.4047

Why is F1 so goddamned boring?

0164a4 No.4049

>>4047

Because there's no major difference between the cars. They all have the same engine, same drivetrain, same chassis, and same aero basics. The only differences are the overpaid Joshs and how much money they can throw at their engineers. At least Indycar has spending limits.

Le Mans and the Endurance circuit is where it's at. Look at the prototypes. Any powerplant (hybrid, NA V8, turbodiesel), driveline (FWD, RWD, AWD), and aero as long as it fits the wheelbase and height requirements. Plus it's not 60min of driving, 30min of caution, and 4 months of petitioning as found in F1. It's 2 straight hours of racing for the Josh, a few hours off, then driving again. It's much more physically demanding.


9d633e No.4053

>>4049

Talking out of his ass, the post.

F1 cars are given confines to work in, and no two cars are alike AT ALL. You're an uninformed, ignorant faggot if you truly believe the shit you're spewing.

>Same engine

Nope, each team either buys an engine from someone else, i.e. Ferrari or Mercedes, or makes their own.

>Same drivetrain

Yeah no fucking shit. You want AWD? In cars that already accelerate and have high downforce? It's dead weight.

>Same chassis

The chassis are only the same within teams, and that's it. Each team has a different design, and after that the Josh/engineer makes even more alterations to active aero.

>Same aero basics

Front wing end wing so hard.


0164a4 No.4055

>>4053

I hope you're trolling. Here are the rules:

>http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/A0425C3A0A7D69C0C12578D3002EBECA/$FILE/2014_F1_TECHNICAL_REGULATIONS_-_Published_on_20.07.pdf

For key bits about my points see:

>engines being the same, article 5, section 3

All of the internals of the engine are dimensioned the same. The differences between a Honda and Mercedes power unit are minimal at best.

>chassis, article 10 and 13

Article 15 is safety stuff which is up in the air for many series. They have it highly mandated.

>aero

All of article 3. Every single bit of the aerodynamics are mandated, ruled, and listed out.

The point being, all of these cars are built to a formula. This formula varies little from team to team and leaves a tiny amount room for technical innovation. If you look at the endurance circuit, we're likely to see 20 different ideas being tested with a more unpredictable outcome. With F1, the challenge is to see which Mercedes Josh will win the most races. It's simply not fun.


663477 No.4056

What's a josh?


4d8c28 No.4060

>>4056

dr-iver


12f489 No.4061

>>4053

>mandated 90 degree V6

this kills the formula


c64918 No.4062

>>4061

>>mandated 90 degree V6

into the trash it goes


d7bd28 No.4070

>>4055

>Article 5 section 3

Only basic engine characteristics are mandated.

>Bore diameter

>V angle

>3 rod journals

>4 valve heads

>some minimum dimensions for some shit like valve stems and timing gears.

>no oval pistons

>no fancy valve shapes

>no hot Vs

So basically the only thing that's mandated is a conventional 90 degree 24v V6 of a specific bore with a specific firing angles.

If you're on /o/ it's a surprise you don't the component that has the most effect on power output is the head, and that's what's got the least restrictions other than having 4 round valves with the intake in the valley.


c64918 No.4071

>>4070

>If you're on /o/ it's a surprise you don't the component that has the most effect on power output is the head, and that's what's got the least restrictions other than having 4 round valves with the intake in the valley.

im assuming you missed a "know" in that sentence

while head and intake design is a common restriction, with enough boost from a turbo or supercharger you can force enough air through any engine to make tons of power, assuming the internals are strong enough

overall the extreme regulation of F1 makes it a much less interesting series, even if if is one of the most technologically advanced

personally i would like to see a racing series where teams only restrictions are using stock production blocks and chassis, and limited by a budget (~$50K) and machine work time (under 15 hours)


12f489 No.4072

>>4070

>those

>basic regulations

it 'should' be displacement regulations only

you will never see V-12 F1 return


663477 No.4074

>>4070

The only limitation should be engine volume or weight.


a60bf9 No.4100

>Watched nearly every single fucking race from 1982 when I was just 2 until the end of 2006. Fucking amazing the whole thing. Didn't really want to watch it with a Ferrari minus MSC though.

>Missed most of 2007 and 2008, except for some clips such as Massa being cost the title at Singapore, Webber throwing up in his helmet, Glock blatantly letting Hammy through, Piquet Jr.'s dirty little cheat, Alonso's fury at his pitcrew and the severe aquaplaning at one race where WINKLEHOCK in his MOTHERFUCKING SPYKER was the leader at one point.

>Started watching it full time again in 2009

>Nothing but Brawn and occasional Red Bull domination

wut happened to my Fezza/Macca/Willy 1-2-3 interchangeable ordering I have known my whole life?

My favorite moment was when Raikkonen won Belgium that year, of course Badoer had to ruin it by finishing last. In addition I think it's fair to say that damn Spring killed Massa's career.

>2010, 2011 and 2012 pass like nothing. One minute MSC's back, the next he's gone. Vettel wins every goddamn race. DRS and KERS do almost nothing to help racing and the clear disparity between teams. MSC's insane bad luck in his final year cost him a few more podiums and maybe even a win at China. We can never forget

>ALONSO IS FASTER THAN YOU

2013 was uneventful as fuck.

>Only got two races into 2014, haven't watched it since then.


20e153 No.4404

>>4049

>Because there's no major difference between the cars.

Actually, it's because there's too MUCH difference, and too much downforce.

Compare it with British Touring Cars, where the cars are based off normal cars. They look like normal cars, and, like normal cars, are pretty much in balance, and can't go around corners at 150MPH.

And they aren't superlight, so they can take a bashing. You often see bumpers peeled off, or cars three wide on corners jostling for space.

And then there's truck racing. Which is absurd, because they're huge, they don't steer well, and there's diesel smoke everywhere. And with the inertia involved, when they go off, they KEEP GOING. Sometimes right back into the race, backwards.


20e153 No.4405

>>4404

Continuing from such, I think we should have a distinction between 'safe for humans' racing, and 'not safe for humans' racing.

The latter would be no rules. Remote controlled from a cockpit on-side by a professional driver, but nobody in the car. No restrictions beyond a size limit.

No marshals, only remotely-operated vehicles. Nobody who isn't on the other side of armoured barriers.

The race is shown from on-board cameras and drone aircraft watching from above.


9d633e No.4429

Burgermeister pls go and stay go.


deb6bf No.4552

>>4047

same for wrc


85c827 No.4724

>>4552

WRC sucks because the French brutally murdered the series with boring drivers in even more boring cars that share nothing with real production cars.


9e884f No.4760

>No more Can-Am

Why even watch racing anymore?


ead0ab No.4799

>Engines and regs

The basis for all of that is basically a balancing act between innovation/different parts and cost for teams/manufactures. Keeping everything within similar designs helps save costs. Partially because your R&D isn't as radical, but mostly because if someone else has a much better solution that they spent money on, it takes less R&D to implement a copy.

>>4404

>F1 vs Touring Cars

I think a lot of the appeal of F1 is the technical crap and politics that goes on as well as the racing. If you don't enjoy that then you'll never really like F1.

And the racing is very spotty. Even in the better years you'll have an absolute dud race every now and then, and sometimes you get entire years of duds. If you just want to watch good racan', then touring cars are a better bet. BTCC, V8S, and to a lesser extent WTCC are all great options for such. WTCC is turning into mini formula 1 with Citoren ruining everything, but V8S and BTCC still offer up good racing. Older BTCC is absolutely amazing, particularly races from the supertouring era.

There's also passing on track and passing in the pits. I personally enjoy the refueling era strategy racing that happened in F1 around the 2000s, but based on the recent 'lets bring back refueling guys!' push I guess most people didn't like it.

>Car design and racan'

Generally, downforce makes for less side by side racing, because the first car through the air fucks up the air flow and since the cars rely on downforce to go fast, any cars in the 'dirty air' so to speak get their downforce ruined and suddenly become slow pumpkins again. Heavy aero reliance also requires the cars to have less yaw (See: less sliding) and pitch (See: less jumping over curbs) in order to be more effective, which basically just makes them less exciting to watch. Of course, downforce is also the single biggest thing that helps improve lap time along with more mechanical grip from the tires. Of course, there are exceptions to this. Ground effects are, to my knowledge, less selectable to yaw (but very susceptible to pitch), and active aero like fan cars remove the issue of dirty air almost entirely, in theory. Naturally that all got banned years ago. Champcar ran ground effect heavy cars with 900-1000hp turbos up until their demise, I need to actually watch some to see if it was any good.

So TL;DR you can have slow cars that slide, hop, and run side by side all day, or really fast cars that look like they are on rails.

Sports cars are a good watch though, lemans is only a week and a bit away!


85c827 No.4866

>>4100

2012 was a genuinely good year and it's a shame you missed it.


423812 No.4875

>>4724

Sebastian Hitler. He gassed the fanbase of the WRC. I suggest a smear campaign against him.


423812 No.4876

Prototypes are awesome.


423812 No.4877

>>4404

Correct. British Touring Cars is kick ass. Also, rallycross has a proper world championship.


423812 No.4878

>>4799

Let's kill the citoren drivers with a bomb that is armed when the first race is ended and destroys the cars if they go slower than 100 kmh. Do the math.




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