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>>4767

as long as there is money to be made, there will be oil and sports cars although they may get more expensive

ethanol is most likely to overtake petroleum when it gets to be less profitable likely in 25-50 years, with hydrogen generated from nuclear power or propane likely overtaking ethanol in 50-100 years

all of which work with conventional power adders such as nitrous, and turbo/superchargers

electric vehicles are likely to remain very heavy if they have any power and have a short range under heavy load compared to combustion engines

>>4769

>My guess is that it will be About 15 to 20 years until we really start seeing serious regulations, or around the time the proliferation of self driving cars becomes wide spread.

going to take way fucking longer than that, the average car is 11 years old in the US and increasing with 50% of people driving even older cars, self driving cars are still very expensive as is the road improvements needed to make all areas accessible to them, they still have severe problems with ice/snow and bad weather along with dirt/gravel roads

also cash for clunkers, while a lot of good cars were wasted, only accounted for 700K cars out of 255M in the US, and it only applied to cars under 25 years old at the time

the only decent cars lost in significant amounts were 1K crown vics, 1500 F-bodies, and 1600 mustangs also a surprisingly high amount of BMWs at 3500 and 5000 Mercedes which even when all combined is not 1% of the cash for clunkers total, the vast majority was SUVs primarily, and FWD or V6 mid-late 80s and 90s shitboxes

>>4767

Electric motors and batteries will be fine. Easier to mod anyway.

Self-driving cars won't be super popular without a manual control option, though. However, even as someone who loves driving, sometimes there are times I just don't want to deal with it.

Or when I'm not fit to.

> Stagger out of pub

> Get into car

> CAR! TAKE ME HOME!

> Car starts up and takes me home

> "You are home, anon."

> Car opens door for me, uses headlights to illuminate the house so I can get inside

> Car locks itself and shuts down for me

Otherwise, I'm sure you'll be able to drive your oil-fired antique on a track somewhere for special occasions, when your garage still has put out enough fuel for it to be run.

I'll start running on ethanol and or methanol

>>4952

Frankly it will be nice for a couple of years where self driving cars are popular but the regulations aren't in The government will be the same as ever in dragging it's heels about certain shit. It will make it so the people who are near criminally uninterested in cars won't have to drive, and the people who are into internal combustion will get to enjoy the roads free of idiots.

Sigh you faggots falling for this bullshit. When was the last time your local govt actually got something done.

Do you not realize how much oil we use? How much the economy and manufacturing depends on it?

I cannot see the any country completely abandoning oil.

Electric cars these days have only a slightly longer range than any econobox.

Also batteries are stupid expensive and car manufacturers arent rushing to make an all electric fleet.

The only reason Tesla is even in business is because the faggots over at CNN and other media sites think Elon musk is cute.

75 years is too short of a time to plan such a massive transistion. We are talking about trillions of dollars in New power plants, in research and development of electric powered transportation plus all the research needed to develop everyday products like toys, supplies and other goods with the use of oil byproducts in order to actually have an oil free society.

All this "weh yusin 2 mach oilz" talk is just a way the govt keeps the masses at ease. Are you part of the masses?

>>4968

>When was the last time your local govt actually got something done.

Local government has been fixing roads for months now.

Otherwise, oil is constantly getting more expensive and we do need to stop giving money to the arabs. The more we can do to get away from oil consumption, the better.

Really, the car will be obsolete in a century anyway. We'll be dispersing to other planets and orbital colonies, and we'll either be using hydrogen fuelled electric rovers, or simply not living in places that don't need you to drive place to place.

>>4968

Oil will still be used for all sorts of things, just not powering cars. And that's fine, because IC engines are staggeringly inefficient uses of oil, anyway.

>>4952

Yeah, we'll still have manual control options for special uses like racing, off-roading, and so on.

I used to be against self-driving cars, but I've given up on people being able to handle the responsibility of driving. Cars have been made homogenous and dull in the quest to make them safer, but idiot drivers are still crashing them into everything under the sun because they can't fucking pay attention to the road. It's fucking sad because I love driving, but I'm willing to give it up if it means that people can go for a walk without being afraid of getting run over.

>>4767

it means that cars will become appliances. like beyond toyota camry tier …

they'll be thought of by pretty much everybody in a similar manner as we (car enthusiasts) would think of our kitchen appliances now. would agree that the automated commuter car with no soul will be the only things allowed on the road

for the legal part of it? government doesn't need to pass any laws banning manually driven cars. if they want to work in the system already in place they can just refuse renewals for manually driven cars

>>4990

They could do that, but more likely they'll squeeze non-automated cars out by mandating black boxes, increasing road tax, requiring special licensing that happens to be hideously expensive, etc. Just saying "no you can't have this anymore" would piss far too many people off, especially the rich ones.

>>4767

Switching to electricity won't be what kills the car enthusiast, nor will self-driving cars.

It will be the nanny state; the politically correct left, the public safety bureaus. The more that becomes legislated against, the less interest people will have in the hobby. This leads to less sales, which leads to less investment into the industry. We've been seeing this happen since the 2000's.

Though there has been some resistance from the industry (Toybaru, MX-5 ND, S660, IDX), signs aren't promising.

>>4997

Not a fan of the fully automated, soft automated (like lane assist shit) or electric cars. I'm not interested in owning any of the above. That said, you are absolutely right. The "safety" laws often have little to no basis in fact, are often not the safest solution, increase cost of vehicles, and impair vehicle visibility such that more crashes happen. we really should make a lobbying organization for the car hobby.

>>5050

>we really should make a lobbying organization for the car hobby

I doubt auto enthusiasts would even have the numbers to compete against the local pro-environment parties at the moment.

>>5064

it's not just against the pro-environment parties. That said, as this attests http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/06/study-nine-out-of-10-millennials-consider-car-ownership-important/ we could have more yung-uns joining the ranks than we thought.

>>4767

>So the G7 nations have just agreed to eliminate oil dependence by 2100

Good thing I won't live that long. I would be 112, and at that point, I'm sure driving cars is probably going to be the second to last thing on my mind, only to how can I make the shitbox I'm driving faster.

That being said, I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing now. I buy used cars, and I keep them until it's unfeasible to fix them, or I get in an accident which totals it. I'm a bit of a hoarder, but whatever.

I like my cars.

they're cheaper than women

>>5067

The only way I can see automotive safety regulations softening up is if a pro-enthusiast party scored a majority in the government. I agree that the environmental aspects only play a small part in this game.

As for young people, I dread to entertain the thought that they'd only go as far as to extend the legislation to allow unlimited camber and *stickerbombing**.

>>5068

Cars are also less temperamental, more reliable and sometimes even sound better too.

>>4995

>>4995 here. you have a point with those things …. I can see the gov't doing all of what you said first in order to make it more difficult/expensive to actually own/operate your own car in order to lower the numbers of human driven cars and/or human driven car supporters

*then* after there's a pitifully small minority out there who's still a part of the "I want to drive myself" club? that's when they say "ok, no more renewals. to the wreckers"

>>5067

there's one problem I see with this: how much cars cost in general.

to use my life as an example: 20k bought something relatively reasonable (new 03 cavalier, also canadafag so new cars are about 30% more expensive than in usa). moving up to 2013? 20k buys … a base model fiesta. so you're moving down a size class just based off of this comparison.

the only people who *could* afford the fun cars are well established white collar professionals who have the salaries to pay for a car that's actually fun. take a lower end (in price) sports car like a miata or toyobaru …. they're going to start at a minimum of 30k for a base model with zero options

so while there's a lot of people I know that might've bought something fun? they're going to look at the money side and go NOPE and do what most people in my generation or younger did: get something like a corolla and take the kitchen appliance attitude towards the vehicles in their lives. they *will* consider them important but they'll think of cars as the same way they'd think of a fridge or something. you need it, but it's just a tool