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Miata with a LS1!

I'm kidding, this isn't halfchan.

>>6714

$500 and an afternoon is all you need.

>>6718

Out of those only the turdgen can turn which was one of OP's requirements. Building a crate engine in one is the best thing suggested here.

>>6713

>Must be RWD or AWD

Why? Fwd can be as fun and demanding as a rwd.

Why awd? To you live in a snowy/wet climate to justify such a requirement?

>Must have Manual trans

Probably the most reasonable same thing you've said so far.

Have you ever driven a manual?

>No 4 bangers

Why? Many 4 bangers can make 1000hp if not more. Especially with your budget.

>Preferably something American and easy to work on, poorfag so can't take on expensive euro maintenance.

Any car is expensive to repair if you dont diy. Only expensive part or repairs are labor and nigger fees.

>>6718

Thanks for the suggestions. im tired of driving old shit though, and don't want to be driving a project car. I want something nice, hence the money im willing to spend. Cars are one of the few real passions I have, I want something that I can look forward to working on and not worry about putting money into because i take pride in it, a car that I can be motivated to go to work because I know im doing it to pay it off

>>6725

350z.

>>6713

> My budget is 21k, but im ready to sell my soul to the kikes for up to 25k if required

> poorfag so can't take on expensive euro maintenance

So why don't you just buy a fucking honda and drive it you retarded faggot? If you have to ask a board "wut kar is gud? GOTTA GO FAST!" you shouldn't be looking for that kind of car.

If you're going to beat the everlivingshit out of your car from what it sounds like you plan to do from your post, you need to just go buy a $1000 shitbox and keep that running for a few years. Once you can manage to keep a high miles shitbox running meaning you're going to have to replace parts because idiots probably didn't maintain it, and if you actually manage to find a low mile shitbox, it's been sitting. Either way, plan to work on it and you know how to turn a wrench and fix shit yourself, consider spending that kind of money on a car. I'm not saying it's a lot, but buy a cheap shitbox, and keep that running for a while. If you think you can't afford "expensive euro maintenance" don't consider a car that's going to cost you 20-some thousand dollars.

Just buy a shitbox that runs and learn to work on it. Once you can maintain your own shit, but something nicer.

sage because fuck you we don't need more of these fucking car buying advice threads. There's already enough of them here

Consult your search engine of choice for what car fits your criteria.

m8, if you're really that poor, just for CUV'd (certified pre-owned) boringas to come in the future

>>6736

>f i a t a s get filtered to boring(as)

good one BO

>>6737

boringas?

Or just boring?

Because I know d o n k gets changed to niggermobile

>>6739

f i a t = boring (and for good reason, the boring 500 is literally gayer than a miata imo)

but the f i a t a thats coming soon-ish will basically be an even faster miata coming from FCA

>>6725

If its a real passion then find a really nice condition 3rd Gen or something, its really not worth it to get a new car when older ones that are in great condition are easily available expecially when the aftermarket is so fucking good for the Small Block Chevy, Big block Chevy and Big block ford

The big reason I posted a truck is because being the fastest thing with a tailgate is fucking fun, and ricers get salty as shit when a truck leaves them in a cloud of tire smoke and exhaust

>>6744

And something I forgot to add:

Like handguns, the "perfect" RWD car will be solely up to your choosing. I grew up on 80's and 90's vehicles so I love the feel as cheesy as they are and its just what I like. I've been in all kinds and driven all kinds of cars, but for some damned reason I just love 80's and 90's GM. Go out and try a bunch of cars out, Fox-Bodies, G- Bodies, just try everything and see what fits you, I fucking hate the way my friend's Honda drives but he loves it. Go try shit out and see what sticks.

>>6721

>4 bangers

I would tell you to kill yourself, but that would probably be just as much a waste of time as making a 4 banger make 1k HP

>>6746

>what is a cosworth?

>>6746

You know there's a while world out there beyond the central plains of the USA.

Fucking welfare munchies in Jersey are building 9s 1000hp civics all day long. I'm just happy my tax money is being out to good use

>>6747

>>6746

>what is a 4G63T

>what is a B4194T

>what is a motherfucking 4A-GE

>>6749

>>6747

>>6762

>I got a great idea guys, lets make an engine that is designed for 130~ hp put out 7 times that

>this could never affect reliability in anyway

>1 month later of driving it

>wow it broke

>never saw that coming

>>6765

http://jemsracing.co.uk/cs_dragescort.html

Ford cosworth, 1092hp

>>6764

But why follow the 500hp v8 culture?

All v8s make 500hp. Isn't the whole car enthusiast thing supposed to be about being unique and owning a unique car?

>>6768

>Isn't the whole car enthusiast thing supposed to be about being unique and owning a unique car?

no thats just called being a pretentious hipster, car enthusiast culture is mainly based around people who like driving or collecting cars

>>6773

also youre clearly not buying a car based on actual rarity if you plan to mod the fuck out of it to the point of destroying original parts

>>6789

Also >inb4 id doesn't match, im on my phone so its constantly changing for some reason

>>6789

The C6 certainly has the bang for buck thing going on, don't think you can do much worse than that

friendly reminder the vette has rubber bumpers

>>6800

Well are you going to suggest an alternative or just talk shit?

>>6804

An alternative for the 'vette? None. You can't find front engine, rear transmission anywhere else below 100000. Cheap rwd could probably come in an old Mustang, or a Supra.

>>6808

Lol Porsche 944/948 for less than 5k all day bub

>>6810

I'm not trying to leave them out, but they're often put up for a lot more where I'm at simply because Porsche.

>>6817

fuck, knew I was going blind, i fucking love t-tops, I wish the 80's didn't single handedly ruin their reputation Still really don't care for it all that much, just don't like convertibles or much of anything resembling them that much.

I'm looking at attacking the sad little 305 in my Camaro and pretty much totally replacing everything in it (heads, rotating assembly, ect) and carbing it. The car really needs a new paint job but its one thing at a time and right now thats sadly not my car. I'm working a lot and don't have the time to do the paint myself, I will get to it though, I intend to drive the car pretty much all summer excepting construction work reasons.

My grandfather has a 2003 50th anniversary 'Vette that got hit & run in a parking lot and its really jacked up the frame. Corvettes definitely are a fun car to drive, I'm not really a fan of the newest models, they look way too glossy and "totally not trying to make an Aventador look-a-like"

>>6773

No I'm not talking about owning the 1 of 1 ferrarri. Or buying a set of 1 of 1 custom rims.

I'm talking about nodding a car that represents you and that makes you smile. And since no one else is like you and no one else knows what makes you smile you end up with a unique car and not just another "tastefully modded" civic mustang or Subaru with same exact fuzzy dice as every other normie or jdm can boy.

>>6816

You see you are a car enthusiasts but the moment you go about bashing non v8 motors you lessen yourself down to the stance eurospec jdm drift normies.

Sure a 500hp v8 motor is a easy cheap and reliable way of obtaining power, but remember half the fun of owning a project car is in the build itself. So it's either a prebuilt new 500hp v8 mustang/camaro/Mercedes/bmw or a cheap rusted Volvo rwd wagon with a blown t5 motor.

Which car do you think will be more fun?

Again I can be perfectly fine with a brand new mustang with a sport package and heated seats and mustang limited cupholders.

But I just love to wrench and will teardown into the car no matter how good a normie rates it on Edmunds or Amazon

>>6815

Craigslist friend. Go after the n/a 5 speeds. Or get a n/a auto and salvage a 5 speed.

>>6852

>I'm talking about nodding a car that represents you and that makes you smile. And since no one else is like you and no one else knows what makes you smile you end up with a unique car and not just another "tastefully modded" civic mustang or Subaru with same exact fuzzy dice as every other normie or jdm can boy.

so in other words, modifying a car to be a hipster still

the reason why most enthusiasts modify cars is not to "be unique" but performance, and certain cars are more commonly modified for a good reason

>but remember half the fun of owning a project car is in the build itself. So it's either a prebuilt new 500hp v8 mustang/camaro/Mercedes/bmw or a cheap rusted Volvo rwd wagon with a blown t5 motor.

building a car is only really fun for the first 1-3 you build, after that it just becomes tedious

also a Volvo wagon is literally the most stereotypical hipster mobile you could have picked

>Which car do you think will be more fun?

the camaro/mustang or whatever by a huge fucking margin, especially if you actually plan to drive it on a track like you should

although personally i would rather buy a slightly older 4th Gen F-body or C5 corvette and spend relatively little time and money to get to a comparable performance level, which is also the same line of logic that most performance minded enthusiasts follow

>>6857

So anything other than an AmericAn v8 is useless and junk and the billion dollar car industry is stupid for not just selling v8s?

>>6880

>strawmanning this hard

not even close to what i said

just because i said a shitty old volvo was a poor choice for a performance car does not mean i dislike all non-v8s or even all non american cars, if you want to actually tune a practical inexpensive turbo car with good performance you could get a 2G DSM or turbo ford probe/mazda MX6 for example instead of a overweight SwedenYES special snowflake volvo

>>6718

+1 for the 3rd gen idea. finding a decent condition turd gen will be a bit tough but not very expensive, and if you go with a crate engine you can even just look for good condition shells and save oodles of money for your savings account or for your new car and all the mods you can throw at it

>>6893

I only mentioned the Volvo as an example.

Would it make you feel better if I used another vehicle?

Dam, probes and other shitboxes are anything but practical or cheap. Little jdm drift fag boys buy them, start working on them with no knowledge what so ever and sell them on craigslist as a shell for 5k if not more. Plus whatever "goodies" and "tasteful" mods they bought off ebay

>>6903

>probes and other shitboxes are anything but practical or cheap.

you can get them on craigslist in most of the US for $2000-3500 all day, way cheaper and more practical than a volvo 850 T5 by a huge margin, also far more common and they both have a larger aftermarket

>Little jdm drift fag boys buy them, start working on them with no knowledge what so ever and sell them on craigslist as a shell for 5k if not more

its easy enough to find unmodified ones, although AWD DSMs are getting harder to find

>>6852

In no way did my Camaro come with 500hp. Hell, Im probably lucky if I get 130 to wheels right now. I was kinda shitposting to try and find people to filter out. Its not that I hate non V8s, I just really hate the sound of cracked out 4 bangers that require 5k more RPMs to put out the horses that a decent 350 sbc can at 5k. Yes, the fun is in the build but being a hipster about it just costs arbitrary amounts of money in the long term. So what you can build up a car no one else has parts for or whatever, thats not the point of this.

>>6900

As I've said in another thread, yes, Third Gens are cheap, but I fear that "Surplus" syndrome will eventually catch up to them and what were formerly fun, cheap cars will nearly entirely consist of "tastefully modded", restorations and rusted out shitheaps.

I intend to keep my Camaro as long as possible, its one of the reasons I can go to work with a smile. Body wise, I'm aiming to keep it as stock as possible, the engine is another story.

>>6852

>car that represents me

I can't just buy a Knight Rider/ Testarossa blender combo though that would be pretty fucking badass if it kept the 80's futuristic aesthetic

So instead I'm just going to build the cleanest damn 3rd Gen possible with nice, small, aesthetic retaining adjustments. It was never on my mind to get a new car, the idea of a car with an always on Computer system that does anything other than run a fuel injection system and gauges makes me cringe a bit. A clean, nice, largely vanilla appearing Black 1983 Camaro with rear hatch tint, a 383 stroker with Procharger and a bunch of gas money sounds like fun. All I need after that is an old Casio watch,1970's Browning Hi-Power, black leather jacket and a generic GM/UPS baseball cap.

my hero will always be David Hasselhoff

>>6857

>Volvo wagon is literally the most stereotypical hipster mobile you could have picked

fuck you, and fuck hipsters, cant get a 245T for less than 4k because of them.

>>7421

Nigger, just buy a shell of a 245 and T5 swap that shit, sounds miles better than the B230FT.

>>7430

>opinions

if I wanted more than 4, I'd buy a 164

>>6742

As an Italian, I can say that we are shitting on the 500 too.