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Only one so far >>816

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We lost yet another board owner, though it was a year or more since he last logged in. In addition, we lost his digital library which is a shame since it sounded very extensive. As the new BO, I do not plan on changing the direction of the board. The old rules still apply, however, if anyone has suggestions regarding rules, settings, or the board in general, this thread will be left unlocked for that purpose.


1. /occult/ is a board with a focus on praxis and discussion of it. It is heavily encouraged that new threads reference some sort of academic material, be it a book, website, video, or whathaveyou. Notable exceptions include requests for material.

On-topic general (read: lacking a source) discussion threads are still allowed (e.g. "What kinds of meditations do you do?"), but users are encouraged to post relevant material (e.g. a book or video where you learned a meditation) in threads like those.

2. Do not create a new thread if a thread on the topic already exists unless the "theme" deviates significantly from the "theme" of the existing thread.

3. No shitposting (unless it makes the mod laugh).

4. Keep discussion civil; express yourself using whatever language you find suitable (within reason), but do not attack/insult another poster.

5. Think before you post. /occult/ encourages high-quality discussion.

6. Global Rules always apply.

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So the default board settings kicked back on for some reason. It was most likely due to the server upgrade. Hopefully it doesn't happen again, but if IDs pop back up, it was for that reason and not because I change my mind on a whim.


I would like to change the style of the board a bit, but I only know enough CSS to crash it.

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Is the labeling of one's path as either "Left Hand" or "Right Hand" somewhat ridiculous if the end result is the same? Truly such distinctions are only apparent below the abyss, where we can only see concepts based upon opposites.


I think certain people do take a certain path by virtue of their values.

However I believe the archonic and the benevolent exist within all of us, nothing exists outside of "god", it is the origin of all things, just as we are.

There are those who try to balance their application of mindset and power in their lives, as do I, but certainly some take a decidedly unilateral side and stick with it for much of their occult and esoteric lives.



>those who try to balance their application of mindset and power

I agree that there must be a certain quality of balance between the pillars of Severity and Mercy. I can understand the idea of progressing in a unilateral direction, but it seems that growth would be much slower without the experiences brought on by both influences. Of course I wouldn't deny that monks and nuns make adequate progress while appearing to work strictly up the pillar of Mercy. They are quite harsh upon their minds and bodies (pillar of Severity), so perhaps no matter what path one chooses, they still end up up walking the middle path?

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alright can any gnostics can explain these lines to me?

>Then the great angel Hormos came to prepare, through the virgins of the corrupted sowing of this

aeon, in a Logos-begotten, holy vessel, through the holy Spirit, the seed of the great Seth.

Then the great Seth came and brought his seed. And it was sown in the aeons which had been

brought forth, their number being the amount of Sodom. Some say that Sodom is the place of

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pasture of the great Seth, which is Gomorrah. But others (say) that the great Seth took his plant out

of Gomorrah and planted it in the second place, to which he gave the name 'Sodom'.

isn't Sodom and Gomorrah supposed to represent carnal distractions?



Unfortunately I know the bare basics of Gnosticism, especially when it comes to all the various texts. I would assume that Sodom and Gomorrah would represent carnal distractions, in which case is "sowing the seeds" representing mastery over these distractions?

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Can anyone tell me about alchemy? I've done some research into it and out of all the magickal practices it seems the most logical, and I'm considering trying it. So, has anyone here tried it? Or does anyone know about it?
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Stumbled upon an intriguing French Alchemical group going by the name of "SANCTUAIRE des Fils D'HELIOS-ADAM."



There is another alchemy group that I came across some months ago. I have debated posting their site here as I do not know much about them, and I do not want to lead someone astray. I always apply a heaping quantity of salt (no pun intended) when contacting alchemical working groups, discretion is always best. I will contact them, and if everything goes well, I will share their site. Another reason I want to contact them first, is so that they are not slammed with spam by those lurking will ill intent. They seemed genuine, offering both a laboratory course and a spiritual alchemy course that are not hand in hand, and the student can pursue whatever course they desire.



Here is the link for the group. There is a $100 sign up fee with photo id required, so keep that in mind. The spiritual alchemy course has a waiting list but the practical course doesn't. However, it will be up to the student to obtain the equipment for the practical course.



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Hey, /occult/. If you happen to be a reader on NetGalley, THE LIGHTNING STENOGRAPHY DEVICE is now available for advance readers. The book, a psychedelic blend of sci-fi and fantasy, is an alchemical fairy tale as much as it is a cover occult effort to reach toward God. It will be released March 19th, 2018. Imageboards have always been so integral to my development as a person and my exposure to new concepts, I want to share it with you guys. You may well like it. If you don't have a NetGalley account but would be interested in reading the book prior to its release and being among those who will leave a review around the March 19th release date, shoot me an e-mail (my address can be found on my website, www.delilahmywoman.com) and I'll send you an ebook copy or, if you're a blogger, a paperback.


The first marketable thought to text device is released for public consumption in 2031. That same year, author Cassius Wagner will have a seizure. At least, that is what the novel says: the novel to which he awakens in fragments one morning after a late night of writing. This novel. Terrified to have a prophetic manuscript unfurling at his heels, his desperation to evade his fate prevents him from considering that his lover and editrix, Katherine Beauvoir, might be wrestling with a destiny of her own. Told in four psychedelic parts which peak with the fable of a sublingual Huntress as she fights to save her King, THE LIGHTNING STENOGRAPHY DEVICE blurs the speculative fiction and fantasy genres to explore the fabric of literature, and the boundaries of reality.



Looking good anon, I will be signing up for it!

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What does /occult/ plan to do on the upcoming blue moon lunar eclipse of January 31, 2018? Any good ideas?


Did I mention that it's a total lunar eclipse? It'll be visible from Asia, Australia, The Pacific Ocean, and western North America.



Looks like I already have that day off thankfully. Should be some interesting influences going on. The Moon (Yesod) passing into the shadow of the Earth (Malkuth) on the day of Jupiter which is Thursday (Chesed).


My same ritual, perhaps with an exceptional purpose. Unless of course exceptional circumstances present themselves to me by some stroke of causality.

Then my plans will change.

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I wanted to create this thread for the less artistically inclined. I myself am somewhat in this boat. Generally I try to make things myself unless it is too elaborate. This thread will be for posting sites to find supplies or finished products to aid in ritual work. If you know of any besides the ones I posted, please add them.



https://www.azothart.com/ (Good site for buying vestments pertaining to multiple initiatory paths, from A.A., OTO, GD, Martinism, and MM Freemasonry.)


http://jasonaugustusnewcomb.com/store/index.html (Bought a circle from him and it was very well made.)



http://www.ixaxaar.com/ (Cavarly Cross Botanica)


This is the first batch I have for now. Most of my bookmarked sites are no longer working. Plus I am missing a few that I have forgotten the names of. I didn't add any Wiccan/Witchcraft sites, not because I have anything against those paths, but because they are a dime a dozen to find on the web.

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I love taxidermy and animal parts! I once had a coworker bring me several bags containing cow bones from their ranch so I could make things from them. Leave a link here when you get your shop up and going so we can check it out.


Even though I added Rawn's site to the resource thread, I figured I would add his store here.



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Enochian Chess Set. I have a downloaded version, but I have always wanted the physical board and pieces.



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For those unable to make tinctures, as well as for those that have no interest in making them but would like to try them for spiritual pursuit. Now I have noticed that a large number of sites have popped up offering Spagyric wares recently, which leaves me unable to gauge reputation. I am only going to post the ones that have been doing this for awhile and from an alchemical perspective.

http://www.tonicgold.de/6.html?&L=1 (Tasty stuff!)

http://www.alchemianova.com/ (Kinda on the fence about the effectiveness of their products, but I was taking other tinctures at the same time.)

https://www.redlionlabs.com/ (I took the Prius 7 and Prima courses from John H. Reid III around 5 years ago. While I haven't ordered anything from him since he started his store, as a former student, I trust that he will provide solid products.

http://al-kemi.com/ (Provides both classes and products.)

https://www.spagyricus.com/product-categories (I know Robert's site is already posted in the Alchemy thread, but in case people just wanted to see his wares.


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Pricey but nice looking athames and swords.


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Science has advanced a lot in the past 400 years, both in its tools, methods, goals and results. But magic seems stuck in the middle ages, why? Are modern magicians incapable of making progress or is magic itself limited? I've noticed that magicians tend to fetishise the past. The older and more traditional something is, the better. Science on the other hand just takes what works and discards the rest, and keeps trying to better itself.

Scientists argue among themselves about whether a theory is correct and they use experiments to prove each other wrong; in the end they come to a conclusion that is shared by most (or all) scientists, and it becomes the 'official' theory. But in magic circles, everyone has his own opinions and doesn't feel like he has to prove he's right.

For example, many witches believe that if you use a spell to hurt other people, the damage you've caused will return to you multiplied by 3. But not everyone believes that. And nobody's trying to figure out if it's true or not. Another example: some magicians believe that demons and angels are just figments of your psyche, and any ritual will work so long as it works for you. But there are others who say the opposite, and again, there is no effort being made to prove it one way or another.

What do you think? Why is magic stagnating?

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In further addition to >>603

At this moment, Carroll appears to be the only modern day mage attempting to understand reality by fusing theoretical physics with his own magickal theories. As I don't know enough physics to doubt the validity of his work, I nonetheless take an interest in it as he is the only one pushing the boundaries forward.

Most other modern day occultists read and practice just enough so that they can put out their own books to support their "hobby." There is very little original work put out anymore, or at least work that is seeking new and greater understanding of magick. Check out his site and some of his theories in the link below. Perhaps if someone has a better grasp on physics than myself, they will be able to offer me a critique of his ideas. If Carroll fails to find meaningful connection with physics and magick, then all that is left would be within the realm of psychology. Of course, many occultists get upset with the mere mention of anything psychological. This is understandable insofar as their very own paradigm may be at risk of cracking apart. People are always so reluctant to change, and occultism is nothing but change.



How do you know it's stagnating? perhaps you're just not in the loop


This is a sickening shill post if I ever saw it. Opening a discussion with sophistry is pretty contemptible given the nature of this forum. I left Fringe because of shit like this.

"Scientists argue among themselves about whether a theory is correct and they use experiments to prove each other wrong; in the end they come to a conclusion that is shared by most (or all) scientists, and it becomes the 'official' theory. But in magic circles, everyone has his own opinions and doesn't feel like he has to prove he's right."

Because it's inherently unfalsifiable, the occult and gnosticism go hand in hand as both require at their elementry level a sense of innate knowing.

The only thing you can do, and this is why I love the occult and esoteric schools is that all you can do is philosophically argue from a vague position that cannot ultimately be proven.

That's essentially the fucking basis for esoteria, the entire point of it is that primarily it must be a path you walk on your own, in total darkness with only your own aptitude to create light in the form of discovered functional knowledge to advance your path.

Your beliefs in esoteria should be fundamentally guided by your spiritual beliefs. If you believe as I do that physical reality was purposely cast from behind a veil, then you understand that the practice of occultism and esoteria require you to "reach" in behind the veil without actually seeing what you're bringing out to the other side until it happens.

In that sense it is entirely subjective and inherently unfalsifiable, you'll never convince a materialist, and you'll never convince somebody who has honed their practice that the opposite of what has brought them success is true.

All you can do is philosophically talk around certain issues and come to either a disagreement or a consensus based on the arguments presented.

That's it, esoteria is an intensely personal pursuit, it cannot be organized, it cannot packaged and sold.

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Fortune has left you, stay at home. You'll regret harsh words.


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Now these are some wise words indeed!

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Can someone run me through a thorough guide on what exactly is spirit keeping and if it's legit? Was wondering because of sites like creepyhollows that allegedly binds spirits of djinns, dragons, and immortals to vessels or human beings.

To get to the point, these online stores claim to bind spirits such as that of Osiris or Anubis, Egyptian God's. Yet, they have multiple quantities of them which makes no sense considering these are unique and distinct beings. So how can multiple people keep the same spirit? New fag here btw.



It seems this place has dried up even more than ever before. I have never heard of "spirit keeping" but evocation of the same entity by multiple people at once can happen all the time. In my workings with spirits, it is the not the identity of the spirit that is bound, but the essence of that spirit.



Could you talk about some your experiences in dealing with evocation? Like the process for the ritual and how the actual evocation takes place?



To be honest I haven't worked with spirits directly in at least a couple of years. Most of what I did was somewhat based off of the Goetia. I also never followed the Goetia to the letter when doing my work. A spirit is naturally bound to its sigil, so the mere act of having the sigil before you when calling it forth it is ordered to obey, depending upon your will to make it obey. Now what I primarily did was focus upon a spirit's sigil enough so that when I went to sleep at night, I would evoke it by focusing on it during the hypnagogic state.

Now depending upon your beliefs and paradigm structure, it may be extremely more complicated to bind the spirit of Zeus or some higher level Archangel without the use of a name of power from deities higher up. You can still call forth Zeus but if you see him as the head of your pantheon, you may have a hard time getting him to obey your will. An example would be a Christian attempting to summon God and have Him obey their will.

Again, all spirits are bound to their sigil. So if they refuse to comply, you can attempt to 'harm' their sigil in order to force them to comply. I found a short summary of what goes on from a least the Goetia perspective. Different traditions of course have different ways of handling spirits.



Hi Occult! I'm very new to the occult scene, and, I have a question. I've been self-teaching myself, and have chosen the chaos magick path, mainly because I can make up my own pantheon, without having to do loads of research on traditional occultism (or so I've read). Currently, I have thought up two dieties, Kek, (I'm so creative, amirite?) and [redacted]. In my pantheon, Kek is the bringer of light, and god of frogs (my creativity must be so good), while [Redacted] is the bringer of darkness, and godess of mirrors. I plan to add more later. Anyways, I've taken to worshiping Kek a lot. Every so often I'll go to a secret spot where I have cleared out the branches and leaf floor, and I have put down a dirty rug + tarp, as well as a small frog statue (really a sprinkler, but can be used as a statue). When I worship the frog statue, I bring a candle, and a BBQ lighter (pic related, except green). I'll put the candle in front of the frog statue, go into Indian position (3rd grade sitting position), and put my arms into standard "pray" position. This isn't exactly worshiping, but meditating. While in this position, I close my eyes, and imagine each inhale, the air symbol, each exhale, the earth symbol. I figure that the frog statue will gain some sort of spiritual value/enchantment if I continue this. Recently, while doing this form of meditation, I finished, and glanced behind me, only to see a dog that looked like pic related. I only saw him/her for a second, and then it became clear it was just the tarp. Still, i felt as though that dog were actually there, even if not in this year and / or dimension. Here's my question: What does this vision mean?


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We are just a handful here, so sorry for the delay as some of us only check in now and then. To be fair it wouldn't do you any good for us to offer what we feel this dog apparition represents. I mean that in the sense of us telling you what you should think it means. If you are doing your own thing by creating your own path, that is great, but you should be the one attempting to come to a valid interpretation. If you haven't begun keeping a daily ritual diary, you really should. Spend some time in reflection and meditation upon this apparition. It could be that your ritual efforts have made you more sensitive. Did the dog just appear once?



Thanks for the reply. That's a good idea to keep a daily ritual diary. I'll start tomorrow. Also, thanks for the advice on keeping to my own interpretations. Personally, I sense as though the previous owner of the house I live in must of owned this dog, and said dog liked to play in my hiding place. Next time that it rains, I'll go to the nearest fire hydrant by the road, take an umbrella for rain cover, and a candle. I'll light the candle, and meditate under cover of the umbrella in the rain. I haven't yet decided on a name, although I figure that this is a god of dogs, and bringer of rain. Thank you!


I am an underage male attempting to learn meditation, I have trouble concentrating (which I blame on my ADHD OCD Tourretes and Anxiety) and would like to know if anyone has advice they can share?



>ADHD OCD Tourretes and Anxiety

It does indeed sound like you have your hands full. Are you on medication and/or therapy? Just asking as this may make things easier at first. Cognitive Behavior Therapy (CBT) which is a form of psychotherapy has been shown to be helpful with anxiety. Mindfulness meditation has also been shown to be very helpful for a number of issues. CBT and mindfulness have generally gone hand in hand for some sufferers of the same issues that you have. Mindfulness is an easy introduction to meditation and there is a free course in this thread >>863. Dr. Hyatt, a psychotherapist and occultist, also has what he calls "Radical Undoing." This program is similar in many ways to mindfulness meditation, but it also incorporates CBT, EFT, hypnosis, and Tantra.

Possible supplements to talk with your primary care provider about:

Magtein for anxiety



Hope this helps a bit.


Thank you for your advice, I don't take any medication. Medication just always seems to make me feel like I'm harming my body.


I think I just had a epiphany concerning your issues. You should try tai chi or some similar form of moving meditation. Sacred Dance is another option if it is available to you. Having physical movements and rythmn to align with should give you enough stimulus to work with your immediate challenges.



This is actually a really great idea anon!


>>911 Thank you for the advice

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Hello everyone,I've always been curious about the occult, but have always managed to find things that went above my head or didn't quite click. I feel I should also mention I am a Catholic, so the idea of messing about with this casually seems insane. I am quite curious what reading all of you would suggest for a beginning practitioner. Finally I am curious of what you have accomplished with your magic, and how strong and immediate the effect was.

Thank you for any response.

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Look into the works of Fr. Thomas Merton and Fr. Thomas Keating. Fr. Merton has written on mysticism and contemplative prayer, and Fr. Keating has written on the Centering prayer, a form of mindfulness.



Updating this once again, but this time in regards to Valentin Tomberg. His practical work is just as invaluable as his theory. I just found out today that his practical course on the Lord's Prayer is available on Amazon and another site. At the time that I purchased mine, it was only offered through the Sophia Foundation and it is 90 weeks in length. The Sophia Foundation offers a number of courses from Valentin Tomberg as well as courses from other authors within the same tradition. Also, the gentleman that makes the study course for Meditations on the Tarot is only able to be contacted through the Sophia Foundation. Well at least according to the papers I got from them. I do have his contact info for anyone interested in contacting him outside of the Sophia Foundation. Keep in mind that the study course is $100+, as he makes it when ordered and it is quite large. So here are the links for the Lord's Prayer course.






>KEEPING a diary

why is it such an important habit to have?

I keep being told to keep a diary but I don't feel like writing mundane shit in in nightly.

If there is some hidden subconscious important meaning behind it, then I'd probably change my opinion



>why is it such an important habit to have?

I hear you on this. When I started it was a pain for me to keep a regular diary. The reason a diary is invaluable is never noticed in the beginning, which is why it is so easy to set aside. The diary is your tool for self-reflection, introspection, and for recording the results of your work. It seems trivial and tiresome at first, but when you look back through your old journals, you will see the progress you have made. This is especially important for the novice who thinks that they have made little progress. The diary is also one of the few tools of our work that attempts to be somewhat scientific. We record the events leading up to specific rituals/workings, as well as the date and time that they are performed, and perhaps even the weather and moon cycle. When we notice things beginning to occur, or lack of occurrence, we can look back at the diary and attempt to fine tune things to make our operation more successful. You don't necessarily have to keep your diary on paper, as you can type it out instead if it is easier or even dictate it verbally. At first you may just add basic entries, but as you move along in the work, you will know the important things to record that matter to you. Remember everyone has a different preference in this.


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I see a lot of people recommending IIH for beginners, and while it is a classic I think it can a bit much for a newbie. It has a steep learning curve that demands a discipline of steel which may not yet be present for those starting out. When Rawn Clark's forum was active, there was always a constant stream of responses from those that quit around Step 1 or Step 2. I suppose that is why he wrote his own book on IIH. For absolute beginners, I highly recommend High Magic vol 1 & 2 by Frater U.D. The guy knows his stuff, and his books provide a well-rounded approach on both theory and practice.

Another book, which I have not yet read, that might be of interest to beginners is The Magister, Volume 0: The Order of Revelation by Frater V. This is the first book of an 11 volume series, yet the first volume starts off as a complete system. Here is from the description of the first volume:

"The first book in the series – Volume 0: The Order of Revelation – lays out the entire map of the esoteric spiritual ascent narrative. It provides an explanation of the grade system – its history, power and function as a framework for magical and mystical experience – and of the Aeons, including how they work in your life and their prediction for the future of human evolution. Volume 0 of The Magister also presents a complete overview of the study curriculum of the great magical orders of history, enabling you to learn a vast range of approaches – from ceremonial magick and shamanism to Ma’at magick and retro-temporal engineering!"


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Sometimes I think reading too much theory before just sitting down and practicing for at least a year can be detrimental. There are cosmologies and theories that contradict each other quite a bit in occultism. In my humble opinion I think some beginners get held up on trying to unravel what everything means or is, depending upon the author they read, before attempting to understanding what they themselves think it means.



This. I think this is why self-teaching is so hit-or-miss. Some students just do and do it regularly enough to eventually make something happen and then intuit their way down the path. Others like myself distract themselves endlessly thinking and questioning things and never actually do anything or don't do something consistently enough to seemingly get anywhere.


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I started out very much in the same boat before realizing that almost all traditions have the same common practices. These practices/exercises are aimed at developing the Mind (meditation), the Body (physical exercises, energy work), and the Spirit (Prayer, Mysticism, Transcendental exercises such as Astral travel and pathworking). Depending upon the tradition, these exercises may be cloaked in that tradition's dogma enough that it appears completely different from another tradition's exercise. However, it took me a number of years of jumping from one tradition to the next, looking for the "perfect system", before finally realizing this. The main thing is to focus on working these triad of exercises whatever the tradition, and when comfortable enough that it becomes ingrained habit, only then start analyzing theory.


Hello, I am new to occult too.

Is there a way to improve the human mind using this knowledge? Thinks like memory, sensing, attention, intelligence and personality.



Almost all preparatory exercises will help to strengthen the memory and attention. Your senses will develop as well, especially when you learn to silence your mind thereby allowing you to pay more attention to your body and inner state. You personality will indeed begin to change, but this is usually a gradual development over time as you transmute your base passions and ego into something more noble. Your intelligence may develop as well as your mind will indeed be functioning a lot smoother. Keep in mind that this takes time and is not something that happens overnight or even after a few weeks.

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For those of you familiar with the Polish tale of sorcerer Pan Twardowski, I found this exceptional modern rendition of his time on the moon.


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And the sequel.


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I enjoyed it, the sequel as well.

Thanks for the share.

As a piece of fiction it is interesting, the arguable reality however is that you can never escape the other side. It's always there, and it's always watching.


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I wish it was a full length movie as they did a really good job. Pan was an interesting character, they do not know 100% if he was purely legend. Probably, but who knows. I love the story of him summoning Babara Radziwill for Sigismund II.

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