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Visita Interiora Terrae Rectificando Invenies Occultum Lapidem

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We lost yet another board owner, though it was a year or more since he last logged in. In addition, we lost his digital library which is a shame since it sounded very extensive. As the new BO, I do not plan on changing the direction of the board. The old rules still apply, however, if anyone has suggestions regarding rules, settings, or the board in general, this thread will be left unlocked for that purpose.


1. /occult/ is a board with a focus on praxis and discussion of it. It is heavily encouraged that new threads reference some sort of academic material, be it a book, website, video, or whathaveyou. Notable exceptions include requests for material.

On-topic general (read: lacking a source) discussion threads are still allowed (e.g. "What kinds of meditations do you do?"), but users are encouraged to post relevant material (e.g. a book or video where you learned a meditation) in threads like those.

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The jews are the babylonian occult… and theyre gay.

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I wanted to create this thread for the less artistically inclined. I myself am somewhat in this boat. Generally I try to make things myself unless it is too elaborate. This thread will be for posting sites to find supplies or finished products to aid in ritual work. If you know of any besides the ones I posted, please add them.



https://www.azothart.com/ (Good site for buying vestments pertaining to multiple initiatory paths, from A.A., OTO, GD, Martinism, and MM Freemasonry.)


http://jasonaugustusnewcomb.com/store/index.html (Bought a circle from him and it was very well made.)



http://www.ixaxaar.com/ (Cavarly Cross Botanica)


This is the first batch I have for now. Most of my bookmarked sites are no longer working. Plus I am missing a few that I have forgotten the names of. I didn't add any Wiccan/Witchcraft sites, not because I have anything against those paths, but because they are a dime a dozen to find on the web.

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Looks like alchemical publisher Salamander & Sons is down. Hopefully temporarily and not permanent as there are so few publishers of alchemical works around. In return we updated with the publishing site of the Inner Garden Foundation, a spiritual and practical alchemy group, so in essence we broke even. I will take S&S off if they do not return after awhile.

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Science has advanced a lot in the past 400 years, both in its tools, methods, goals and results. But magic seems stuck in the middle ages, why? Are modern magicians incapable of making progress or is magic itself limited? I've noticed that magicians tend to fetishise the past. The older and more traditional something is, the better. Science on the other hand just takes what works and discards the rest, and keeps trying to better itself.

Scientists argue among themselves about whether a theory is correct and they use experiments to prove each other wrong; in the end they come to a conclusion that is shared by most (or all) scientists, and it becomes the 'official' theory. But in magic circles, everyone has his own opinions and doesn't feel like he has to prove he's right.

For example, many witches believe that if you use a spell to hurt other people, the damage you've caused will return to you multiplied by 3. But not everyone believes that. And nobody's trying to figure out if it's true or not. Another example: some magicians believe that demons and angels are just figments of your psyche, and any ritual will work so long as it works for you. But there are others who say the opposite, and again, there is no effort being made to prove it one way or another.

What do you think? Why is magic stagnating?

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Favorite word salad ITT


There exist many documents on the internet here is one that go with science:




Hey, this is a pretty cool little find. Thanks for the link.



That's a very good question. In order to dare to approach this topic, we have to make clear to ourselves what magic actually means. But there occurs a problem. Magic is subjectively defined differently by everyone, that's a fact. This creates discrepancies between each magician and it will not be possible to develop a nomenclature (except for the term "Magick") on which we could all agree on. Even the term tulpa means something different to many.

However, there is a possible solution to this problem, namely a scientistic magic in the sense of Immanuel Kant. Within this framework, all phenomena could be placed a priori under laws and numerous phenomena could be explained. The fact that they are not empirically verifiable is, of course, primarily due to the fact that most operations take place outside the pure forms of intuition (Kant) of space and time (Kant) and therefore do not fall within the knowledge horizon of the physical world. Kant, however, provides an interesting ether hypothesis in his "Opus Postumum" (which he could no longer complete), which he can prove with his system, as a priori.

This is no empiricism, but assumes the existence of an ether as necessary, since almost all phenomena are inexplicable without such a "primeval matter". This means that according to Kant, the four elements, as components of the ether, are also a priori. Kant succeeded, even without magical experience, in seeing the existence of an ether as necessary and apodictic. So it does not matter whether the nihilist or chaos magician denies its existence, because it is proven a priori. I am also an opponent of the "paradigm shift" model in general, where one often tries to deny laws or deny their existence. Yes, many so-called laws are nonsense, including the ideological law of karma (which in reality is only the law of causality; this, by the way, is also a priori) or the "Rule of Three" (which does not exist), because it makes a statistical statement that cannot be verified. What's triple? How can you tell whether something is 'triple' or only 'double'?

But what we can all agree on is that there is a law of causality, i.e. every aPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


Here is a hidden science link: http://www.hutchisoneffect.com/



It seems like a reptilian entity is interacting with my house like trough creak noise, as so, I perceive forms of reptilian entity.

I am doing in parallel occult studies and have worked the Kabbalah, thus, I am not totally new to this thread, but meanwhile, at the beginning, I thought theses creak noise were demons until I got possessed and received as a result the confirmation that they were reptilian beings, does anyone have ever encounter reptilian beings?


In fact, I have creak noise in my house in completion of my thoughts, thus, it is comparable to elemental magick, it first happened a long time ago, but they are also able to confirm me things, I have researched a lot of information over the past month about it so feel free to ask me anything.

You can see I am not the first one to meet things about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE5Q1tMU7vg

It also merge at the point that in some documents, an alien race created us in the first place to then let the human race reset with religions, but that's a whole other topic, anyway, ,…

I bet that many paranormal events are created by reptilians beings, let me your thoughts^^ They learn basic occult knowledge as part of their education.



I have never had an encounter with reptilians. Could you go into more detail with your possession experience?



I was stuck into a strange timeline of experience.

I don't remember exactly everything that was happening, but I'll do my best.

It was like I edited documents at the time about weird stuff, meanwhile, I've received the name of the reptilian "fritrius", then I've received other several information about satanism too, it was like I talked to someone, I felt like there was a group of satanism with a women called Deborah, and it was like I talked to them, meanwhile viewing a bit on how they operated, I will not go too much into the details but the information that a remember clearly is:

That reptilians learn basic occult knowledge such as Qlippothic and black magick.

That they strive to achieve their agenda meanwhile understanding basic occult knowledge that we don't know what will happen thus they are prepared to many things.

That the group of satansim work in a kind of small building/castle and that they do various stuff and eat together.

and so on…

Meanwhile I've taken notes of some things:

> Who spurs the corps will ride? Who cries the cry that kills? When satan questioned who replied? Once blown the winds that kills who be kind?

> System implosion. Truth coming out.Still stuck with all that mess. Alien and system interaction.

Then there was a big mess including playing with gasoil and doing weird things such as going in a cemetery at night, and so on… in order to get out of trouble, …

And then one of the final stage was doing a joke on Nordic alien and unexpectedly cutting myself (purposely but unexpectedly too) and then the police arrived and I then went to a place to heal myself up. That's it. But I passed many details.



Another notes I've taken:

> There probably is layers to reality many call these layers realms, onto or more precisely coming from theses realms you have projections and prediction.

> Projection and prediction can always and sometimes does include as part of their projection a matter of "This predictionproject a projection and this prkection imply this prediction which make the projection being true"

At the level of Era you may have 4-8 years of shift as in Maya calendar to then, starting from "you can't choose your name, family, …, but you can choose your friend, it is revelent to say that it is mostly true.

> (At this time of this writing, I have a creak noise as a direct confirmation.)

As said with the "4-8 years shift" word-glued above, one of my preoccupation was, at least for such projections, that some system along with life would not overlaps as in a system of a bad state to see if we take for example, …. I could not exactly what is better and from another make letters laws and / or a beteer "democracy" such a system type. Remember the ends of "las vegas parano", it doesn't fit the context at all but it fits the next words.

There probably is laws some of technological type, some of astral type, some of reptilian type, …. and it goes on and on and on…



Let's say I had very weird stuff, I was talking alone to myself, violently breaking plates, doing weird destruction stuff, doing impossible mind-game as when I talked, and a few more things.

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I don't know how many of you are Kantians (I prefer Old Kantians. The New Cantians did not understand Kant and still misinterpret him today as empiricism, although Kant was the one who combined empiricism and rationalism in his model) and should there be any, I am interested in your opinion.

In the 20th century there was a fierce debate when the theory of relativity emerged. This debate took place between the Kantians and Albert Einstein (many probably don't know). So what happened? Well, it is well known that Einstein's theory of relativity gives space and time independent properties, even more than that, Einstein says that space and time exist completely independent of the subject and thus things like space-time curvature are possible, i.e. not the objects in space are curved, but the whole space is curved. Already at that time there were fierce discussions about it, especially because here empiricism was given much more importance than it should actually be logical (see Kant), because we can only interpret what we are aware of before us, but we cannot rule out that we also misinterpret phenomena. Kant said the opposite with regard to space and time. He said that space and time behave in man like the light of a glow-worm, of which this glow-worm thinks it is the world that is enlightened, although it itself produces this light. In exactly the same way, space and time are "organs of knowledge" (as Kant called them) a priori. Kant stressed, however, that he did not rule out the existence of an 'objective' space and time, but that it would probably be impossible for us to recognize them. (Had Kant been a magician, he probably would have said that mental journeys were closer to the feeling of an objective time, in the sense of infinity and sequencelessness or as a form of NOW feeling).

Well, hence my question. What's your opinion? Is it possible that the theory of relativity is correct in its basic concept, but completely misinterprets the phenomena (i.e. that one assumes a curvature of space instead of simply as a property of the relation of objects to each other) and that contradictions arise in other models as a result?



I haven't studied philosophy or physics in many years, so hopefully someone more qualified will come around to answer your question sufficiently. Doesn't quantum physics already poke a few holes in Einstein's theories, what with the observer effects and all? If waveforms collapse from observation, is the same true for space and time? If that is true, I would assume that observation creates the perception of space and time as a reality. But neither space nor time is a particle, but yet it affects the layout of the matter that we observe, so there must also be an objective component to space and time as well.

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just finished "Initiation into hemetics" by Franz Bardon.what are your thoughts on Bardon? has anybody progressed with his methods?



Bardon's work is great. I say that not as one going along with the Bardon meme from /fringe/, but through correspondence with Rawn Clark and working though some the of work myself, I have come to appreciate certain aspects of Bardon's system. I think the real jewel of Bardon's methods are the first three steps. These steps are similar to the foundation methods of the other magickal systems and religious traditions the world over. However the irony with Bardon, is that many fail at the beginning because they think that the first steps are just "steps." In reality, these steps are not simply mastered in the beginning as if climbing a staircase, but are developed throughout the life of the student.



Bardon is a masterpiece. If you really did start it, be disciplined and work through it. The results will show and you'll be impressed. However, keep in mind, that this isn't suited for any egoistical gain. Trust me, if that is what is on your mind, your path will somewhere come to an end until you clear up your ethical character. Bardon described it well in his book(s).


You described that very well. However, I would like to stress (probably you said that for safety reasons?) that it is not necessarily helpful to say that this path is basically extremely difficult or even takes a whole life for the first three steps to master. It is true that one needs a realistic point of view with Bardons works, but negative thoughts, which are heard from many people, that the path is really difficult or even lasts a lifetime, only prevent the learner from making faster progress. In fact, even the thought that the stages are to be mastered, even in this life, can extremely accelerate progress. It is indeed possible to master the first three steps in this life if enough time and motivation is given.



>or even takes a whole life for the first three steps to master

What I was trying to get at, was that many students do give up because they feel that they need to be some sort of the Jedi/Zen master before moving on to Step 2. The first steps are like habits that one picks up and carries for life. The complete stillness of the mind is not an essential requirement before moving onto Step 2. But determined practice everyday in addition to the rest of the steps will eventually manifest it forth. The same is true with the soul mirror. Self-introspection is extremely uncomfortable and many people would rather do without it. So generally the first couple of soul mirrors that are put together by a student are generally lacking in sufficient detail, but over time and with much daily practice eventually the soul mirror takes on a measured approach not unlike that of a surgeon. So to reiterate, the first steps are habits to be acquired and not necessarily blocks to prevent one from moving on. Of course a student shouldn't just jump the gun and move on if he is not completely ready, such as only accomplishing 30 sec of mind stillness, or only having like five or so attributes in each of his soul mirror's elemental categories.

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What are things/items/accessories etc. that I can wear/use/keep around etc. that are said to bring good luck/protect/enchant/ward off evil/get rid of negativity etc.?

I'm very new to this type of thing and want to learn more about stuff like this.

I've started wearing rudraksha mala as of late and this piqued my interest in all things that could be of any use to a practitioner or just and average joe looking to have some extra fortune, etc. in his life. I just want to learn more about these types of charms/crystals/other stuff that people know work or at least believe have some sort of effect.

Just a curious anon, is all.

If anyone has any contribution or a website or book that I could read that would list everything that I would need to know, that would be much appreciated.


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These are all identifiers to broadcast to yourself and others that you have magikal intent; without any knowledge of how the luck plane functions or understanding of will and intent's function in talismans, or any aspect of magik for that matter, these affectations serve no other end than to stroke your ego and is a placebo pill for your fear and pain.



Interesting thought, I'll give you that.






This sounds like bullshit because of the attempt to "sci-ify" it, but it's a place to start.




There have been cataclysmic predictions since the beginning of mankind, so I don't too much stock into any of them. It isn't very hard to flip on the news, wait 10 minutes, and then reach a conclusion that some devastating event lurks around the corner. I would agree that any future wars have the potential to far more deadly and destructive than at any other time in history, but this doesn't imply that they will. Don't let this stuff trouble your thoughts and become a mental parasite.



I think most of what's on this page is just bullshit.

In fact, there are currently many loose canons that could escalate the global situation, no doubt about it, and it is therefore stupid to say today that another world war is something completely impossible, BUT A third world is very unlikely. I have also seen predictions that the Third World War would be the shortest and the death rate would not be so high. It's all just speculation as you see.

But what we can say is that the financial system will not last much longer until (of course don't take my date for granted) at least 2020/2021. A few glances at the world banks are enough and how e.g. Europe with the zero interest rate tries to distribute cheap money and to delay the financial pressure. The financial crisis of 2007/2008 has never really stopped and is still ongoing.

It is very likely that there will be a financial collapse at the moment, for which we will have to prepare ourselves. Some official government sites, including the CIA, are therefore already forecasting very strong immigration and emigration from both the USA and Asia over the next few years. And seeing Trump having his trade war with China does make it worse.

But does a war follow from it? I think it's unlikely. However, the chaos caused by the financial collapse could lead to armed conflicts. As long as we're still all well, there's little chance of war. Of course, in a modernized world like ours, a war could definitely turn worse, but more on a psychological level as we all have been living in the 'good' times and never really experienced true fear and hopelessness.

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This is for all those random questions regarding magic and mysticism that do not really need a separate thread. Since we are a slow board, random questions as threads clutter it up.


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Hey /occult/, I noticed everything is expensive to do. What system or methods are best for a budget?



Simple mindfulness meditation would suffice. 6 months would be a good starting point before moving on. Try this >>863.


Hi, can someone explain to me how to have bases in occultism, as to know, for example, to begin with the Kabbalah and then to work with other documents, could it be possible to have access to some libraries aided by the work of some people that would lead the person rightfully, a kind of list that we usually call awesome?



Or simply recommended documents



We already have plenty of resources on the board. Numerous threads already exist that pertain to beginners. A topic such as this should be addressed in one of those threads or placed into the QTDDTOT thread. Not trying to be a jerk, but random image-less threads with simple or vague topics clutter up a board that is already extremely slow.

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What's up, /occult/ and /fringe/.

You two boards have proven great influences on me over the past few years as I've broadened my spiritual horizons, and not only that, but you've driven untold traffic to my essays and supported me in my work. My occult studies have had a great impact on my novel, THE LIGHTNING STENOGRAPHY DEVICE, and to repay that influence I'd like to do a /fringe/ and /occult/ exclusive giveaway.

The first marketable thought to text device is released for public consumption in 2031. That same year, author Cassius Wagner will have a seizure. At least, that is what the novel says: the novel to which he awakens in fragments one morning after a late night of writing. This novel. Terrified to have a prophetic manuscript unfurling at his heels, his desperation to evade his fate prevents him from considering that his lover and editrix, Katherine Beauvoir, might be wrestling with a destiny of her own. Told in four psychedelic parts which peak with the fable of a sublingual Huntress as she fights to save her King, THE LIGHTNING STENOGRAPHY DEVICE blurs the speculative fiction and fantasy genres to explore the fabric of literature, and the boundaries of reality. /fringe/ and /occult/ will appreciate its intense use of occult and alchemical symbolism, particularly in the second half of the novel.

The book will be released on March 19th, 2018 in hardback, paperback and ebook forms, and I'm looking to give away some copies until then in hopes of acquiring 100 reviews. The rub is that I only have so many physical copies to give away, so the promotion will go as follows:

1. The first 2 posters from each board to email publicity@paintedblindpublishing.com with the subject 'Free Loosh from [Board Name]' and a physical address to where I can send the book will receive a HARDBACK copy of THE LIGHTNING STENOGRAPHY DEVICE, signed by the author.

2. The following 3 posters (again, from each board) to email will receive a signed PAPERBACK copy.

3. All subsequent entrants will receive ebook copies.

That is 10 total copies I am giving to you guys, not including those who receive Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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I always come back to check this thread for your new posts, and I am never disappointed. I wondered a few times that as science moves us into a digital reality, will the replication of magic by science, still be magic? Is a digital tulpa, still a tulpa? Will we have greater abilities than the mages of yesteryear, or will we only be handicapped?



Buy THE DISGRACED MARTYR TRILOGY so I don't have to write these fucking list-based articles anymore. It comes out on May 19th so be sure to pre-order it so you can get it the day it comes out: https://www.amazon.com/Hierophants-Daughter-Disgraced-Martyr-Trilogy/dp/0996539573/

The novels may be fiction but they point to higher truths.


>Super blood moon hits

>Leave clove and chocolate at my altar of nature, resting in the offering abalone

>Set water to collect the moonlight

>Intent is to draw something near, to bring something new in

>As the eclipse starts I head to my folk's place again to pick up some mislaid item from the recent move

>Mother comes to me with a book in hand, "Hey is this yours?"

<The Book of Ceremonial Magic, Arthur Edward Waite

>"No, not at all. I've never seen it in my life."

>Mother asks if I want it, I say of course

Coming to y'all for a few, this appears to be a republished copy of a tome constructed by A.E. Waite. The publishing year is 1994, meaning there's a chance it could have been mislaid in the house before my family even moved in. I, myself, am moving to a new apartment complex in the near future.

Is this a good find?



Never read that particular book myself, but some of Waite's other works. He can be a bit dry and wordy, and if it is anything like some of his other works, then it will have a slight Christian/Golden Dawn bias. Sounds like you were meant to come across it.



>Is this a good find?

'Good' and 'bad' are meaningless in the context of synchronicity. Just read that book, each word. I'd wager it contains information you need, or will have a reference to another book which you will find useful in your magickal journey. That's a really wonderful synchronicity, Anon, would you mind if I mention it in an essay sometime if I need to? Thanks for sharing.


Is there any way to perform some sort of ritual to have a spirit possess me in order to have the competitive edge in athletics. I'm built very strong and the only thing stopping me from excelling is my mind. I'm willing to do whatever it takes


yes but there is probably no safe way to guarantee any entity will possess you only for sports. giving something like that power will eventually let it take control in other areas.

best to just take your training as serious as you take your occult interest. look at it through the same frame.

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Why are they so scared? Almost all Christians seem to think that literally every single magical/esoteric tradition, regardless of whether its RHP or LHP, black or white magick, is tantamount to Satanism and is therefore evil. Many if not most even think working with angels, who they are theoretically meant to revere, in an occult context is somehow evil. They usually rationalise it along the lines of "the occult is dangerous, don't mess with it". Sure, magick is dangerous if you aren't careful or do retarded shit, but by the same reasoning they would never drive a car or use the internet.

I know there are some Christian occultists, but why are the vast majority so afraid and morally repulsed by even white RHP magick to the extent that whenever they accidentally succeed in doing it they think its a "miracle" only the Christian god could have done whenever he selectively chooses. In a way I kind of admire any Christian occultists out there for sticking it out despite the sheer ignorance and vitriol most of their co-religionists display regarding any and all matters esoteric.

I'd imagine the situation is similar if probably more actively hostile within Islam (with the possible exception of Sufism), but my first hand experience is only with Christianity.

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Because they understand it, nomie


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Is Magic Wrong? A Historical and Religious Exploration


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1st of 5 part series on Martinism.


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hi, im pretty new in this board, but so far i have been curious to all the subjects being talked. one that particularly got my attention are the concept of thoughtforms, like tulpas, servitors, and egregores.

could someone explain me all the existing variations of this kind of "entities"? how many they are, what are differences they have from each other, or such. all the information you can give me is appreciated.

there is any kind of thoughtform that is able to affect the real life, akin to supernatural events like poltergeist or such?



>could someone explain me all the existing variations of this kind of "entities"?

A lot of these different entities are actually just different terms for the same thing, tuplas and servitors for example. Egregores are much larger, but not necessarily the same thing as a thought form, perhaps in sense of a collective thought form. Egregores form from groups of people. Imageboard culture has a collective egregore, as do each individual board. These Egregores have an impact on an individual participant much more than that participant has on the Egregore.

>is any kind of thoughtform that is able to affect the real life, akin to supernatural events like poltergeist or such?

Poltergeist are not really seen as belonging to a separate entity. But entities have been summoned that have caused physical activity. In the Peter Carroll's Chaos Magick cds put by Original Falcon, he has recording supposedly of one of the summoned entities hitting the microphone in response to his questions. The validity of the this is questionable. Of course this borders on one of the great debates within the Occult community, which is how much of the occult is primarily psychological? Are all spirits just thought forms? Kind of reminds me of the Philip experiment.


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