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I wanted to create this thread for the less artistically inclined. I myself am somewhat in this boat. Generally I try to make things myself unless it is too elaborate. This thread will be for posting sites to find supplies or finished products to aid in ritual work. If you know of any besides the ones I posted, please add them.



https://www.azothart.com/ (Good site for buying vestments pertaining to multiple initiatory paths, from A.A., OTO, GD, Martinism, and MM Freemasonry.)


http://jasonaugustusnewcomb.com/store/index.html (Bought a circle from him and it was very well made.)



http://www.ixaxaar.com/ (Cavarly Cross Botanica)


This is the first batch I have for now. Most of my bookmarked sites are no longer working. Plus I am missing a few that I have forgotten the names of. I didn't add any Wiccan/Witchcraft sites, not because I have anything against those paths, but because they are a dime a dozen to find on the web.

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Music Stores/Labels that contain a number of artists with esoteric leanings.

http://coldspring.co.uk/ (One of my absolute favorites)



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We lost yet another board owner, though it was a year or more since he last logged in. In addition, we lost his digital library which is a shame since it sounded very extensive. As the new BO, I do not plan on changing the direction of the board. The old rules still apply, however, if anyone has suggestions regarding rules, settings, or the board in general, this thread will be left unlocked for that purpose.


1. /occult/ is a board with a focus on praxis and discussion of it. It is heavily encouraged that new threads reference some sort of academic material, be it a book, website, video, or whathaveyou. Notable exceptions include requests for material.

On-topic general (read: lacking a source) discussion threads are still allowed (e.g. "What kinds of meditations do you do?"), but users are encouraged to post relevant material (e.g. a book or video where you learned a meditation) in threads like those.

2. Do not create a new thread if a thread on the topic already exists unless the "theme" deviates significantly from the "theme" of the existing thread.

3. No shitposting (unless it makes the mod laugh).

4. Keep discussion civil; express yourself using whatever language you find suitable (within reason), but do not attack/insult another poster.

5. Think before you post. /occult/ encourages high-quality discussion.

6. Global Rules always apply.

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I thought that thread was kind of interesting and something that I might come back to in the future, so I'd prefer if it were left up.

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Why are they so scared? Almost all Christians seem to think that literally every single magical/esoteric tradition, regardless of whether its RHP or LHP, black or white magick, is tantamount to Satanism and is therefore evil. Many if not most even think working with angels, who they are theoretically meant to revere, in an occult context is somehow evil. They usually rationalise it along the lines of "the occult is dangerous, don't mess with it". Sure, magick is dangerous if you aren't careful or do retarded shit, but by the same reasoning they would never drive a car or use the internet.

I know there are some Christian occultists, but why are the vast majority so afraid and morally repulsed by even white RHP magick to the extent that whenever they accidentally succeed in doing it they think its a "miracle" only the Christian god could have done whenever he selectively chooses. In a way I kind of admire any Christian occultists out there for sticking it out despite the sheer ignorance and vitriol most of their co-religionists display regarding any and all matters esoteric.

I'd imagine the situation is similar if probably more actively hostile within Islam (with the possible exception of Sufism), but my first hand experience is only with Christianity.

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There was a decent discussion about it in this thread >>654. But if you have specific questions I will try to answer to the best of my ability but I am just a student as well.



Ok. For example our priest says, that white and black magick are just wo sides of the one coin. In black magick you are being helped by evil beings and in white too, but they are acting like good ones. What do you think about it? Also what types of magick are compatible with christianity either catholic or orthodox?



It is clearly a manifestation of the one God, their One, which allows them to see anything that is not tied to the one God in opposition to God. Monotheism allows for this kind of absolutist behavior and is a hallmark of christian thought (islamic too). You must understand. Being an occultist is denying God, which to them is the only way. Any other way is blasphemy and sin. Also hell has a way of putting fear into people


I'm one and I'm not. I don't see an issue unless its Zionism or atheism.


It is because many were taught only strawman versions of the occult and anything labeled as pagan. They were told pagans mindless kill people as sacrifices to "dark gods" or "demons" regardless of evidence that suggests such perceived sacrifices were capital punishment for convicts or the mercy killing of deformed, sick babies. They were told the occult is nothing but "devil worship" and messing with forces not meant for man.

They (keep in mind this is not a swing at all Christians), at the same time, give special exception to their own priests with their enchanted water (holy water) and spirit manipulation (exorcisms). They also ignore that their own religion was once esoteric and occult.

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Do you see virtue in faith?

To me, faith means taking something as a fact without having the capability to prove it. In the context of a spiritual or intellectual learning path, that means taking in a potentially false axiom. But, faith can lead into good paths; trivially, the guy who's newfound blind faith in our savior Jesus Christ helped him out of alcoholism, and less trivially, faith in the feasibility of astral projection can help you to actually experience it.

So, do we need to have throw-away ad-hoc faiths just for the sake of trying them out? It's debatable wether that would be actual faith. Or is there a way to get progressively wiser by virtue of research and reason, without having to blindly add or remove concepts from our corpus of knowledge? Does one of the two paths lead farther than the other?



From my experience, I went through a lot of religions and belief structures before adopting my own, and then from there moving into a larger religion. I went from belief, into psuedo-nihilistic atheism, into an agnostic philosophical playground of occult systems, and from there back into belief. You mention "getting wiser by viture of research and reason," well this is pretty much what Jnana Yoga is, the pursuit of knowledge as its own path. However, I think some students get lost when moving from one belief to the next. There is the tendency to fall into the sea of contradiction and drown in doubt. For those that do experiment with other faiths and beliefs, I think it does make them stronger in the faith that they eventually decide for themselves. Does it lead them farther along the road than someone born into a faith, I don't really know. All I can really say is that there comes a time when one must choose a path and really focus upon it, or they will miss their opportunity as life will pass them by. As they say "Jack of all trades, Master of none."



>You mention "getting wiser by virture of research and reason," well this is pretty much what Jnana Yoga is

Reading from


I see that

>The Four Pillars of Knowledge (sadhana chatushtaya) are the prescribed steps toward achieving liberation in Jnana Yoga.

One of those is

>Shatsampat (six virtues) are six mental practices to stabilize the mind and emotions

And one of these is

>Shraddha (faith, trust) is a sense of certainty and belief in one’s guru (teacher), the scriptures and the yogic path.

Which is antagonical to what I meant by getting

>progressively wiser by virtue of research and reason

So either I didn't express myself as well as I could or that website doesn't do justice to Jnana Yoga. My way would be to read the original vedas, as hard as it's getting for me to find a translation of the original ones without editorializing by adopting a new age target audience, or watering the content down to the level of a reader that doesn't want to further think about the content so it comes pre-thought in the book (The Vedas According to…).

>Jack of all trades, Master of none

It may be that I'm inquiring about a way to find the one trade to master, when one's in a place of ignorance. How can an unknowing person choose a path along which to become wise, without falling for a misdirection from wrong faith, false belief or other dangers?

I'm looking into the trivium and the rational scientific method right now.

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So I have been thinking for a while that I feel like the progress of my magickal development could be much quicker if I were to join one of the several occult groups operating in Ireland where I live (or at least the several publicly known ones) rather than trying to learn by myself through reading, meditation, trial and error, etc.which can all be very haphazard.

My options more or less would be th OTO, the Irish Order of Thelems, the Golden Dawn the Temple of Set (Imbas Forosona Pylon). Problem is I don't really wish to subscribe to the philosophies behind any of these groups, I really just want to get better at magick and practice within a group environment which I've never had the chance to do before. On one hand I feel as though joining a group in bad faith would set a negative precedent and may even to some extent cast a pall over my entire involvement with it, and then on the other I don't really want my public identity to be associated with a group I don't wish to represent, since although these groups tend to be fairly private, I don't think any of them are strictly secret about their membership per se.

Also, its not that I'm vehemently opposed to any of these groups and their beliefs, its just I feel as though I'm not knowledgeable enough to choose a particular pre-existing set of precepts like those of Thelema or Setian Satanism and say "this is what I believe to be true" and mean it.


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You can learn from any group you join. Obviously if the group is shit what you'll learn will be shit, so be discerning, but otherwise joining a group you're not 100% on board with is a great way to widen your experience. There are two things you should keep in mind:

1. Never take an oath if you don't agree with the content of the oath. Most practices work the same whether you believe in the ideology behind them or not, but you should take oaths seriously and only commit to something if you actually agree with it.

2. If it all possible, be open about the fact that you're not a true believer. Don't go on and on about it–in fact, the polite thing to do is to avoid mentioning your disagreement unless absolutely necessary–but don't lie about it if someone asks, which may happen during an "initial interview" after you've expressed interest. Some groups might have a problem with this, but if that's the case it's better to find out that there's an incompatibility from the beginning rather than risking drama later.

Most of the occult groups, or at least the ones I've had experience with, are actually pretty used to people who aren't committed to the ideology but are curious enough to do the practices. Sometimes they come around to the group's philosophy, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they stick around, other times they find something more to their liking and move on.


Are there any established occult organizations that DON'T integrate Crowley?



There are a number of them actually. what particular school of thought are you interested in?



Nothing set in stone. Perhaps you can provide a short list encompassing them all?


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That actually is a good idea for the resource page. Of course many groups arise and burn out quickly. In selecting a group, you should decide early on if you are mainly interested in working alone or with others? There are groups that have very decent correspondence courses, BOTA for example, and others where you must meet in person, OTO in that regards. The reason I ask what school of thought you are into, is because some of them can range from edgy satanism to Christian Hermetic mysticism. So there is a broad spectrum.

My list of experience

1. BOTA (Still with)

2. AMORC (Dropped)

3. OM (Folded up)

4. FRC (Still with)

5. FLO (Dropped)

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I wrote out a long winded melodramatic letter, but it was gay so I’ll just cut the shit. I have no aspirations in life, no dreams, and nothing going for me. I’m a fit 21 year old man with nothing to live for and a hearty belief in the supernatural and conspiracy theories. I want to do and see some crazy shit, and I don’t care if I have to risk my life. Any cool shit I find along the way I’ll document here. Tell me where to go and what to do



Occultism isn't sudden action. In the beginning it can be rather dry as you learn the basics and memorize rituals. Focus on Enochian magick for a 6 months to a year and check back in with us.

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wanted to know what you guys thought of the OG heresy and is it worth exploring?



>is it worth exploring

I don't see why you shouldn't Isn't there a connection between Marcionism and Catharism? There are some still some active French Gnostic Churches from the era prior to FUDOSI/FUDOFSI. I can't for the life of me find the link I had come across many moons ago for one of those churches, but I did come across this Gnostic catechism from one of the more modern organizations.


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I know that Dr. Hyatt ruffles a lot of feathers from occultists, especially beginners. He really could not stand people seeking magic as an escape mechanism. As a psychotherapist, Hyatt says things to get under your skin in order to root out weaknesses you haven't resolved yet. I find those the most upset by him try to deflect this by pointing out his physical flaws, like his weight.

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Does anyone have copies of the radical undoing series? It's crazy expensive.



I am surprised that it isn't out there as a torrent. I purchased the entire collection some years ago, I may have to upload them if there is no reliable source.



Please do if you can go through the trouble. And do post a link on this thread. I've been going through hyatt interviews on yt and really want to try these radical undoing programs. My budget won't allow me to purchase the entire collection right now unfortunately.



I will probably here after a bit, but I thought for sure I came across a site that had them along with the Energized Hypnosis videos. You really need to have both sets in order to partake of the system encapsulated by Hyatt & Regardie. The actual practice should involve the breaking of the energy blocks in the body with Radical Undoing followed afterwards by a session of Energized Hypnosis in order to inculcate the new behaviors and methods of thinking.



Here is the book version of Energized Hypnosis. Now most of EH is actually audio. Once you finish RD you perform the You meditation which is very similar to the body scan exercise of Mindfulness. After that meditation your body is in a very relaxed and receptive state because you have freed up large amounts of energy that normally keeps you tense and nervous. So you throw on EH to give yourself cues throughout the day to prevent you from falling back into your old habits and belief patterns.


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Sorry if it's a stupid question, but I was wondering if it's possible to use magic to travel to the past or at least 'see' it. I've never heard of something like this (outside of fiction) but maybe you guys know something I don't. Every magic book I've read focuses on stuff like money, love, healing or getting revenge on others.




Yeah that's something what mediums do, they try to visualize a location or an event (future or past) and tell you what they see

It is also the basic requirement to believe in past life regression stories



Do you believe in past life regression? They seem like induced lucid dream states to me.


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It seems like with mediums that they don't always have a clear picture, and they have to rely a lot on their intuition to fill in some of the distorted area. Kind of like looking at a scene through a very dirty window, and you are using your best judgment in interpreting what that full scene could be. The dirt of the window primarily is the subconscious preconceived notions of the seer.

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just finished "Initiation into hemetics" by Franz Bardon.what are your thoughts on Bardon? has anybody progressed with his methods?



Bardon's work is great. I say that not as one going along with the Bardon meme from /fringe/, but through correspondence with Rawn Clark and working though some the of work myself, I have come to appreciate certain aspects of Bardon's system. I think the real jewel of Bardon's methods are the first three steps. These steps are similar to the foundation methods of the other magickal systems and religious traditions the world over. However the irony with Bardon, is that many fail at the beginning because they think that the first steps are just "steps." In reality, these steps are not simply mastered in the beginning as if climbing a staircase, but are developed throughout the life of the student.

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Is there a book that teaches the history of magic, how magic has changed throughout the centuries, when certain concepts were introduced, how different schools of magic influenced one another, etc? Sort of like an encyclopedia of magic? Thanks.


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I don't know of any magnum opus style tome for the complete history of occultism just yet. Usually it is just collecting scholarly texts that focus and one specific area of time, like Rosicrucianism, and connecting that with another book. Anyway, here are links for some that might help you out. The one from SUNY press may be up your alley, but it focuses on the Western Mystery Tradition. As far as I know, there is not a book that focuses on the history of magic throughout the entire world.




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Thanks! The second one is pretty close to what I was looking for. I downloaded it from Library Genesis, here it is if you want to add it to your collection.



Excellent, thank you for the share!


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Sup /occult/, reading any good books lately?
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I'm >>1028, thanks for all your effort I'll make sure for not to go to waste.

Many thanks, and I hope you have a good year.


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Received Gateways Through Light and Shadow as a gift. It looks rather intriguing as a detailed examination and record of spirit evocation.


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Not a book that I currently bought, but something I have had for a number of years. Great book that I just stumbled upon the pdf for and wanted to share. The Bahir school of Satyananda yoga, is by far the best and most pragmatic school of yoga I have ever come across. They explain things without all the New-Age fluff that American soccer moms drool over. I hope that all the pictures came out alright throughout the book, as there are some color templates in mine. This course takes about three years to complete. The pdf is too large to upload so I'll just leave the link. If you enjoy this work, which is the magnum opus, be sure to check out their other books which are phenomenal as well.



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Baghavad Gita - ISKCON.


Prayers Praises and Psalms - Raghavan.


The Plague Of Fantasies - Slavoj Zizek


MAHAYAMA The World As Power, Power As Consciousness - ???


Sri Isopanisad - BKTVDNTA SWM





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>Baghavad Gita

Great choice! I am working on the full Mahabharata in parts right now. The entire epic is extremely deep. If you get the chance, try to watch the 2013 tv series that came out. They did a fairly good job compared to some of the previous ones.

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What's up, /occult/ and /fringe/.

You two boards have proven great influences on me over the past few years as I've broadened my spiritual horizons, and not only that, but you've driven untold traffic to my essays and supported me in my work. My occult studies have had a great impact on my novel, THE LIGHTNING STENOGRAPHY DEVICE, and to repay that influence I'd like to do a /fringe/ and /occult/ exclusive giveaway.

The first marketable thought to text device is released for public consumption in 2031. That same year, author Cassius Wagner will have a seizure. At least, that is what the novel says: the novel to which he awakens in fragments one morning after a late night of writing. This novel. Terrified to have a prophetic manuscript unfurling at his heels, his desperation to evade his fate prevents him from considering that his lover and editrix, Katherine Beauvoir, might be wrestling with a destiny of her own. Told in four psychedelic parts which peak with the fable of a sublingual Huntress as she fights to save her King, THE LIGHTNING STENOGRAPHY DEVICE blurs the speculative fiction and fantasy genres to explore the fabric of literature, and the boundaries of reality. /fringe/ and /occult/ will appreciate its intense use of occult and alchemical symbolism, particularly in the second half of the novel.

The book will be released on March 19th, 2018 in hardback, paperback and ebook forms, and I'm looking to give away some copies until then in hopes of acquiring 100 reviews. The rub is that I only have so many physical copies to give away, so the promotion will go as follows:

1. The first 2 posters from each board to email publicity@paintedblindpublishing.com with the subject 'Free Loosh from [Board Name]' and a physical address to where I can send the book will receive a HARDBACK copy of THE LIGHTNING STENOGRAPHY DEVICE, signed by the author.

2. The following 3 posters (again, from each board) to email will receive a signed PAPERBACK copy.

3. All subsequent entrants will receive ebook copies.

That is 10 total copies I am giving to you guys, not including those who receive Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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So I found a journal called PILLARS and submitted there; keep your fingers crossed and enjoy Part IV of the Book of the New Sun Essay!




Great news, I trust you will get excepted! I never came across Pillars before, is it the one by Anathema? If so it looks rather fancy.




Yeah buddy! Thanks for your confidence and your encouragement. That is the one; I only stumbled upon it by chance, because I have Anathema bookmarked and misclicked on it one time a week or so after I got all my copies of defunct Abraxas. Meant to be, obvs; hail the Increate, right? And not only that, but I have recently been talking about the theme in question a lot. The final essay, "The Church of the Black Hole", basically proposes the concept that in the absence of standardized religious mystery traditions, scientific mystery traditions will begin to mark a new esoteric standard. We live in a secular age and the culturally defining religion of the era is/should be science. Therefore, it is up to magicians to embrace science, and approach their studies from a scientific frame of mind, for science, religion and politics all used to be so toghtly interwoven that there was no difference betweem them. We have to get back to our roots, and that is the point I make for seven pages…I am pleased with the essay and all but really would just be tickled to get a free copy of PILLARS, because man, yeah, that shit is NICE. It was also a good essay to write to start thinking about this nonfiction book I outlined, but tbh between the BOTNS essay series and editing this trilogy, I am not going to be able to start it for awhile…it is good to be so inspired, but tiring to be so busy! I must, though; I am the servant of my writing, and that which delivers my writing, and so I must honor it by tending to my writing every minute I can. It is gratifying to speak with people like you who support it.


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Whoowee has it been a week. Give me that sweet loosh, fellas, I need something good to happen to me sometime. In the meantime, though, enjoy part V of the BOTNS essay series, and pour my ass a drink!





Sorry I been very busy for the last couple of weeks, but I always look forward to reading your posts. Let us know if you get a response back on your submission. I definitely will buy a copy if it gets published!

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how can we reconcile the ancient gnostic notions that man was trapped on this plane of existence and the ancient platonistic notion that the Arhitect is not an evil entity?

how can we reconcile the notions of modern draconians and their qliphot, with the open rebelion against the demiurge and it's creationm, with the view of modern teachers like Manly P Hall and Bardon that said that life is a journey with the purpose of learning, that we ourselves volunteered for?

how can we reconcile the goethic notions of legions of demons that can be called forth with the hermetic notion that what we actually invoke are elementals or larvae?


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In my opinion, in the breaking down the barriers toward the reconciliation of opposites, we must look at what is common first not what is distinct. Cosmological paradigms are simply paradigms, nothing of grand importance, and should be the first thing to be shredded in the search for what may be perceived as 'truth.' Everything you have written is completely true but completely false in one sense. The complete identification of 'truth' is something we cannot possibly identify with, except in short bursts, as we are separated from it in a world in which we are raised to see things as opposites. As long as someone understands fully why they chose a particular belief to live by, then they will not have to worry about being confronted with the opposite reality. Without sounding like a meme, it really goes back to that age-old maxim: Nothing is true; everything is permitted.

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