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We lost yet another board owner, though it was a year or more since he last logged in. In addition, we lost his digital library which is a shame since it sounded very extensive. As the new BO, I do not plan on changing the direction of the board. The old rules still apply, however, if anyone has suggestions regarding rules, settings, or the board in general, this thread will be left unlocked for that purpose.


1. /occult/ is a board with a focus on praxis and discussion of it. It is heavily encouraged that new threads reference some sort of academic material, be it a book, website, video, or whathaveyou. Notable exceptions include requests for material.

On-topic general (read: lacking a source) discussion threads are still allowed (e.g. "What kinds of meditations do you do?"), but users are encouraged to post relevant material (e.g. a book or video where you learned a meditation) in threads like those.

2. Do not create a new thread if a thread on the topic already exists unless the "theme" deviates significantly from the "theme" of the existing thread.

3. No shitposting (unless it makes the mod laugh).

4. Keep discussion civil; express yourself using whatever language you find suitable (within reason), but do not attack/insult another poster.

5. Think before you post. /occult/ encourages high-quality discussion.

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I thought that thread was kind of interesting and something that I might come back to in the future, so I'd prefer if it were left up.

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I see a lot of people recommending IIH for beginners, and while it is a classic I think it can a bit much for a newbie. It has a steep learning curve that demands a discipline of steel which may not yet be present for those starting out. When Rawn Clark's forum was active, there was always a constant stream of responses from those that quit around Step 1 or Step 2. I suppose that is why he wrote his own book on IIH. For absolute beginners, I highly recommend High Magic vol 1 & 2 by Frater U.D. The guy knows his stuff, and his books provide a well-rounded approach on both theory and practice.

Another book, which I have not yet read, that might be of interest to beginners is The Magister, Volume 0: The Order of Revelation by Frater V. This is the first book of an 11 volume series, yet the first volume starts off as a complete system. Here is from the description of the first volume:

"The first book in the series – Volume 0: The Order of Revelation – lays out the entire map of the esoteric spiritual ascent narrative. It provides an explanation of the grade system – its history, power and function as a framework for magical and mystical experience – and of the Aeons, including how they work in your life and their prediction for the future of human evolution. Volume 0 of The Magister also presents a complete overview of the study curriculum of the great magical orders of history, enabling you to learn a vast range of approaches – from ceremonial magick and shamanism to Ma’at magick and retro-temporal engineering!"


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Hello, I am new to occult too.

Is there a way to improve the human mind using this knowledge? Thinks like memory, sensing, attention, intelligence and personality.



Almost all preparatory exercises will help to strengthen the memory and attention. Your senses will develop as well, especially when you learn to silence your mind thereby allowing you to pay more attention to your body and inner state. You personality will indeed begin to change, but this is usually a gradual development over time as you transmute your base passions and ego into something more noble. Your intelligence may develop as well as your mind will indeed be functioning a lot smoother. Keep in mind that this takes time and is not something that happens overnight or even after a few weeks.


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Of all the beginners' guides I've looked into this one resonates with me most. Thank you for recommending it!

I've been doing the first exercise since the beginning of this month and I feel as though I've mastered it at this point. Would it be okay to move onto the next one or should I make the month my absolute minimum duration for each exercise?



Just use your intuition. If you feel like progressing to the next thing then give it a go. Just remember to take a step back whenever things get out of wack.

Whenever I'm in doubt, I go back to the basics.



As >>1178 said, use your intuition with how you feel on the exercise. If you feel you should extend the time with that exercise, go right ahead. Now some of those exercise will build upon the previous ones. So if you didn't get your strength all the way up with that exercise, you will still be working it and strengthening it with the exercises to follow.

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So I have been thinking for a while that I feel like the progress of my magickal development could be much quicker if I were to join one of the several occult groups operating in Ireland where I live (or at least the several publicly known ones) rather than trying to learn by myself through reading, meditation, trial and error, etc.which can all be very haphazard.

My options more or less would be th OTO, the Irish Order of Thelems, the Golden Dawn the Temple of Set (Imbas Forosona Pylon). Problem is I don't really wish to subscribe to the philosophies behind any of these groups, I really just want to get better at magick and practice within a group environment which I've never had the chance to do before. On one hand I feel as though joining a group in bad faith would set a negative precedent and may even to some extent cast a pall over my entire involvement with it, and then on the other I don't really want my public identity to be associated with a group I don't wish to represent, since although these groups tend to be fairly private, I don't think any of them are strictly secret about their membership per se.

Also, its not that I'm vehemently opposed to any of these groups and their beliefs, its just I feel as though I'm not knowledgeable enough to choose a particular pre-existing set of precepts like those of Thelema or Setian Satanism and say "this is what I believe to be true" and mean it.




I have been and still am a part of a few occult groups. If you join a group they will expect you to be somewhat on the same page as them with whatever occult philosophy they go with. If this OTO is anything like or connected with the OTO in the US, I would give it a pass and look elsewhere. One problem with some of these groups that have a grade structure, is that you have to start on the bottom regardless of your current skill and knowledge, and work your way up. So it can be like being taught to ride a bike multiple times in different ways. The OTO in the US has a reputation of restricting those who move up, so you have a large number of students who never move beyond the first couple of grades. If you are interested in Thelema, than go with the A.A.. However, if you are not really that interested in their particular philosophy, then they will know it and it also is a waste of money, in terms of dues and ritual fees to join something that you later drop down the road. Of course I did similar things when I first started, and sometimes you really just have to test the waters out.

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Hello, I'm not new to occultism, but I never had chance to plumb it.

What are possible real benefits from occult rituals?

Are there math-accurate/always giving the same results occult systems?

Are rituals/beliefs/etc. created, made up or actually discovered? If not the last then how does one create a ritual?
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Very fascinating I will have to look into it more. A vibratory affect upon the range? Well I have no need to make their lives any more difficult, and as I have my own path to follow, I will refrain from messing with with their mountains.


I'd say that practitioners treat definition and the "technifying" of magical aims as anathema to the practice because they lack the vision to perceive its nuclear contribution.

For instance, if 3 metrics are required to be met before going on to step 2 of a ritual, then 1 metric to go on to step 3, then 5 metrics to go onto step 4, and then 2 metrics and your ritual will attain overwhelming success 90% of the time if you have no other background knowledge or insight or wisdom of magic, that's a huge fucking success.

For instance, you may need 5/10 concentration for step 1, with qualitative explanation of what 5/10 is. You may need 6/10 peace, with qualitative explanation of what that is. You may need as well 4/10 desire/intent of the result, with qualitative etc. And these THREE metrics are the barebones ESSENTIAL requirements for Step 1 to be completed. The rest is similar in structure.

With this methodology, you acquire let's say 30 - 99% success with any given ritual. Where there is more required, you use a higher level structure/methodology not for beginners in order to obtain success at a much more reasonable percentage.

As time goes on, improvements are made and eventually ALL rituals can be done with 99.9% accuracy at LEAST if no mistakes were made, and the methods of discovering mistakes, the common mistakes, the uncommon, are also improved.

No one wants to go through the process of attaining scientific level standards of this stuff though, and would rather just create cults or isolate their practice to incommunicable arts.

It's a great work that needs to be done. But it's UNSELFISH, so no one does it. If it were at all for self-gain, people would do it, because the benefits are only for humanity and not one's self. For the future, not today. For after when one is long dead. Of course great strides may be made, after months and years it will be a respectable method that some shall use, and after decades that many shall, and at the end of your life most shall, if you were to dedicate your life to it.

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It is an interesting way of explaining the magickal setup. I do like the scientific approach to occultism that Crowley at one time envisioned. Anymore, the modern "occultists" that try to turn it into a scientific approach try to scramble too many ideas together. I think if the subject is to be approached with the most success, then traditions of magic should be broken to their core in order to identify similarities first.


Two paths into this, to contact beings out side yourself by using rituals charging symbols ect. to merge your conscienceness with them and in turn you become the host or the other path is about going within and taping into that well of unlimited potential within yourself and rising above the animal preconditional state that the majority of humans exist in and to bring that spark/fire into the material plan thereby manifesting your true spirtual potential in your life i.e. the alchemist/yogi/spirtual enlightenment.



I choose the second path.

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Is the hype > the truth?

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I am pretty much on the road toward leaving Freemasonry. I was a naive seeker for any esoteric truth when I joined. What "truths" I did learn, are already sprinkled throughout books and the internet. There are no secrets high up or down low anymore. I met some good people, as well as some not so good. Once the bedrock of the revitalization of Western Mystery Tradition, it is no longer needed to help shelter these teachings. This article is pretty much how I feel.




>In fact, you could argue that many of the regulations are counter-productive to progression and equality. For example, women still aren’t allowed in Blue Lodge Freemasonry and in many areas, neither are African Americans.

He's doing a poor job of selling me on why Freemasonry isn't any good.



Hehe, depending upon the jurisdiction and legitimacy of the Lodge, some of them do actually allow in women. These are the Co-Masonic lodges, and aside from the the Eastern Star, all Co-Masonic lodges are clandestine at least in the US. I honestly am not sure what the author was talking about, when he mentioned African Americans. I can not think of a single Grand Lodge in the US that does not allow in blacks, because SJWs would have jumped all over that shit in uproar. Basically, blacks just like joining up with the Prince Hall lodges because that is their traditional lodge.

Most everything else the author said was pretty much on point. You join, partake in the other rites, throw down a bunch of money playing dress up, and you are no closer to enlightenment than when you started. Some of the millennial and gen X guys are trying to start more traditional lodges with an emphasis on "Gentlemen" style clubs like over in England. But a return to douchebag elitism is not going to keep the craft alive. I mean seriously some of the ideas were to have pool tables, a gym, and return alcohol back to the lodge. It really is fraternity college dudes wanting an extension of what they left, and to never grow up.



I agree for the most part. Though I do understand the desire for male centered fraternities. They're arguably more needed now than ever before, but then again the whole world is completely upside down from anything approaching how it would be to promote our well being.



>neither are African Americans

Since when?

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Hey MoonMage, what do you got planned for tonight?

I was intrigued by your posts that I decided to try working with the moon as well. The last spellwork I did was the new moon in last November and some interesting things have happened since that were in line with my intention.


I was planning on destroying something until I was told through a medium not to, that it would have terrible consequences for myself.

So it ended up being something of a flop, I had no idea in such short order as to what I would manifest. Now I just don't really know what to do. I have no idea, but I would honestly keep your manifesting/sigils within the material scope of things. Don't fuck around with anything else unless you enjoy chaos, it just creates a massive headache for you and once you've crossed that threshold you just can't go back.



Wew, I shall keep your advice in mind. If I may make a humble suggestion, when I cannot think of anything else I'd rather manifest, I seek wisdom. Usually greater wisdom into the nature of magic and spellcasting or wisdom as to what may material items may benefit me.



I was in a weird tempestuous situation which as since normalized. I really wasn't with it, I was overcome with a lot of influences that I wasn't managing well at all. This is still a learning process to me, I've had a few wake-up calls as well as a few life affirming moments that have stabilized my perspective on things for the time being.

But yes, that is a good suggestion, and I have actually since taken this course of action which has resulted in some interesting realizations the extent of which have not yet fully manifested.

I suppose what I've learned from this experience is that I have not yet fully mastered myself. Also the abilities that I have which have been unequivocally confirmed by means that even I found rather startling. I can't honestly say I wish to be, to be fully in control is to lose the spontaneity of human emotion. What I do wish is to be able to temper that with perspective and some level of discipline, especially with regard to manifesting my will.

In a way I think I needed to go through this, there will be other opportunities, other ways to use my abilities to their fullest extent. I recall as a child skinning my knees good a few times before becoming competent at riding a bike.

This is no different.


Another blue moon tonight, I'm going to try again.

I feel much more balanced now, even though my life is a roiling kettle of shit right now. I think I can get it right this time.


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Whelp, I've fallen back into my lazy habits which I need to correct.

A few months ago, I performed my first ritual that was also during the new moon. I had asked for a financial opportunity. It didn't have to take any specific form, but it did have to work with a list of current limitations I identified with my current situation. About two months, the oppotunity had manifested, I took it and have been working it since.

What I find myself thinking about lately is what role does magic play in the maintenance of our manifestations? There is always so much focus and discussion of the manifestation itself. What happens when we actually manifest the thing?

I once read a book on manifestation that said something I hadn't ever read in all the other usual fluff books you find on the subject. It claimed that when we invoke this "attracting force" for some thing, a opposite "repulsive force" is created that will pull the desired intent away from you just as you obtain it. The missing ingredient is to then create a "binding" of the preemptively counteract the "repulsive". it was interesting idea that has always stuck with me.

I'm not sure if I created any "binding" or not when I performed the ritual. I induced a mild trance and mostly improvised. Was just swept up in that instinctive inspiration which I knew could be powerful, but unpredictable as to results.

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What's up, /occult/ and /fringe/.

You two boards have proven great influences on me over the past few years as I've broadened my spiritual horizons, and not only that, but you've driven untold traffic to my essays and supported me in my work. My occult studies have had a great impact on my novel, THE LIGHTNING STENOGRAPHY DEVICE, and to repay that influence I'd like to do a /fringe/ and /occult/ exclusive giveaway.

The first marketable thought to text device is released for public consumption in 2031. That same year, author Cassius Wagner will have a seizure. At least, that is what the novel says: the novel to which he awakens in fragments one morning after a late night of writing. This novel. Terrified to have a prophetic manuscript unfurling at his heels, his desperation to evade his fate prevents him from considering that his lover and editrix, Katherine Beauvoir, might be wrestling with a destiny of her own. Told in four psychedelic parts which peak with the fable of a sublingual Huntress as she fights to save her King, THE LIGHTNING STENOGRAPHY DEVICE blurs the speculative fiction and fantasy genres to explore the fabric of literature, and the boundaries of reality. /fringe/ and /occult/ will appreciate its intense use of occult and alchemical symbolism, particularly in the second half of the novel.

The book will be released on March 19th, 2018 in hardback, paperback and ebook forms, and I'm looking to give away some copies until then in hopes of acquiring 100 reviews. The rub is that I only have so many physical copies to give away, so the promotion will go as follows:

1. The first 2 posters from each board to email publicity@paintedblindpublishing.com with the subject 'Free Loosh from [Board Name]' and a physical address to where I can send the book will receive a HARDBACK copy of THE LIGHTNING STENOGRAPHY DEVICE, signed by the author.

2. The following 3 posters (again, from each board) to email will receive a signed PAPERBACK copy.

3. All subsequent entrants will receive ebook copies.

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Man these articles are seriously Golden! I am going ahead and ordering The Shadow of the Torturer, as I am really intrigued now with this series. We really need to get you spread out to other occult sites. Have you thought about putting your notes together and writing an article for one of the esoteric journals out there? I know that there are still a couple around, but it would get you some visibility. Perhaps something like Abraxas put out by Fulgur?



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I will have to check this out! I really would love to submit to a journal like that. Gosh, I actually didn't realize there were any esoteric journals still around, except for maybe the one circulated by the Jung Institute, but that's really more of a psychiatric journal at the end of the day. I will have to check this out, thank you; do you know of any others offhand before I start my furious googling? And I'm so glad to hear I've started you reading Wolfe! These books are a real journey, man.

Anyway; just dropped by to share with /occult/ that THE LIGHTNING STENOGRAPHY DEVICE is 99 cents in celebration of The Feast of the Resurrection! This deal will last one week only, but I hope it will snag some readers who were reluctant to shell out the book's proper price. Paperback and hardback are the same price as always, and this won't last forever, so get your copy now and please leave a review if you like it! https://www.amazon.com/Lightning-Stenography-Device-Psychedelic-Odyssey-ebook/dp/B078HSXGL5



Kek, just spent $200 dollars on Abraxis and Black Mirror back copies after shipping through the Royal Mail is considered. Get the feeling it'll be worth it, though.



Shit, I just observed that Abraxas says it was suspended in 2014. Well I know there are others out there, just got to find them. Here is an 2012 page from a site containing listings of occult journals. A number of them are no longer being produced but some of them are still kicking.


Maybe the sites of these organizations?




Abraxis had some great issues. I have at least two older copies kicking around somewhere. It is so easy to spend a lot of money on occult books and magazines, especially the ones that are almost like works of art.


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Ah, too bad! Yeah, I saw that list. A few of them looked like they might be still running, so I'll check them out. I also discovered a website dedicated to the essays of Gene Wolfe scholars and students, so I might submit there.

Part III is out, and available at the link below; also, THE LIGHTNING STENOGRAPHY DEVICE will remain on sale until the 7th, so get your copy soon!

An Analysis Of The Alchemical Tradition Behind BOOK OF THE NEW SUN, Part III: The Piteous Gate and A Dark Albedo: https://paintedblindpublishing.com/2018/04/04/an-analysis-of-the-alchemical-tradition-behind-book-of-the-new-sun-part-iii-the-piteous-gate-and-a-dark-albedo/

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Is there a book that teaches the history of magic, how magic has changed throughout the centuries, when certain concepts were introduced, how different schools of magic influenced one another, etc? Sort of like an encyclopedia of magic? Thanks.


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I don't know of any magnum opus style tome for the complete history of occultism just yet. Usually it is just collecting scholarly texts that focus and one specific area of time, like Rosicrucianism, and connecting that with another book. Anyway, here are links for some that might help you out. The one from SUNY press may be up your alley, but it focuses on the Western Mystery Tradition. As far as I know, there is not a book that focuses on the history of magic throughout the entire world.




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Thanks! The second one is pretty close to what I was looking for. I downloaded it from Library Genesis, here it is if you want to add it to your collection.



Excellent, thank you for the share!

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Anyone know of the quality of his work? Was doing some more editing to the bookstore post in the supply thread, and I came across Avalonia, which I added. Gary St. Michael Nottingham, is an author with them who has written a 7-part set entitled Foundations of Practical Sorcery. It looks rather intriguing but I know nothing of the author, aside from a picture they provide. Foundations of Practical Sorcery can be purchased as a complete hardcover containing all 7 volumes, or as separate individual volumes. This video from Avalonia introduces Gary's work.


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Also has a book on Alchemy.

"This work teaches the practical laboratory alchemy of the past masters and for the first time reveals many of their secrets, including the volatilization of the salts and the mysteries of the sal ammoniac salts. These are a major key to many operations of the arte without which the student fails in their operations."

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A free online school for magick. They contain lessons all the way up to the Adept level, and even have mentoring available. So anyone that is new or curious about this work, may want to head over to this site and check it out. Pics from the site.




A magical school online? Interesting, but do they know what they're talking about?



After glancing over the site, it appears that they do know their stuff. Reading about the founders shows that they have been doing this for awhile. They took the approach of not making the school follow any particular brand of magick, so that the student would be more well-rounded and versed enough to approach any tradition with ease when finished. So I gotta give them props for that, and for keeping this material free. From what I am understanding you can apply for mentorship after the Apprentice grade, and it still mentions nothing about a fee. Looks pretty legit to me. Here is a podcast interview with Frater Acher, who is one of the founders.




I'm reading the blog of Josephine McMarthy, who seems to be the main author of the website, and she's a complete idiot… I don't think I want to learn anything from her.




Yeah I see what you mean. Well at least the material can be looked at and it anything of value is found, it can be saved. One other place I remember offering courses for free was the OSOGD. I think mentoring may cost money though. Here is the link, but it is Golden Dawn based.



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I looked through more of their material, and really you could do better just picking up a decent book and talking with others along the path. Some of their rituals, especially the banishing rituals, are unnecessarily long. I am also bewildered as to why they have "crossing the abyss" as an initiate to adept progression. The actual concept of "crossing the abyss" is not something that is just casually taught and experienced as if "all the cool kids are doing it." Also never mind about the OSOGD, they are shutting doors soon and moving to a video distance learning format under the title Golden Dawn Academy. They are charging $40 a month for it. Learning on your own is really the best way anymore.

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Find the meaning.



The fire of the black sun rises?


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glad to see some good old bane posting here


> yes it might

> Many root Nazi power arise


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Was FC on to something?


Hi. Does anyone know of any groups or forums that talk about and practice Abramelin the Mage magic?

Thank you.


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Occultforums way back in the day used to be the go-to spot for this kind of information. However, the site became corrupted, changed hands, and now I think you have to pay to access the archives from the golden era of the early 00's. Sacred-Magick.org might be a good forum, but I have never spent much time on it. Tbh, most standard forums are kinda full of "interesting" people to say the least. You may want to try looking around on Yahoo groups, there were actually some great groups on there for alchemy and Goetic workings after Occultforums went to shit.

I have never attempted the Abramelin rite, as I do not have the stretch of time needed to devote to it. You almost have to be a hardcore NEET to be able to have enough free time. Aaron Leitch used to post on this one GD forum about the rite, before he became an established author. He mentioned how he lived in a tiny ass apartment with his wife and infant child. He would get up super early and begin the ritual standing right in front of the bed while they slept, simply because there was no room to do it anywhere else. So if you have the time and the room, go for it. It isn't the only way to get in touch with the HGA, but it is one of the most dramatic from what I have been told by others. Here is some info by Aaron on the rite.


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As far I can see you only have two books from Dr. Rudolf Steiner in your mega. You put them in the Theosophy folder as well which is kind of misleading. How about a Anthroposophy folder?

I could provide some books for it.

I l add a pdf I found on my hard drive that connects some to the dots of the history of occult societies in Europe quite well. I haven´t read the whole text nor do I agree with all what is written there but please don´t put Dr. Steiner and in the Theosophy folder…

A good introduction would be his autobiography "The Story of my Life".


An Interesting site about the O.T.O. which I discovered today:


A great source with all kinds of /occult/ related books:



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I am surprised this thread was never responded to. OP left behind some great links, especially the pdf and Steiner archive. I have always had a bit of fascination with the Anthroposophy school. Haven't read a whole lot from it, but with this archive collection maybe I will now. Thank you OP, where ever you are now.


Vimeo embed. Click thumbnail to play.


Eugene Schwartz is a Waldorf teacher, as such he has some nice videos on Steiner's esoteric teachings on his Vimeo channel. You have sort through a lot his Waldorf educational videos to find them.



Damn, I thought Vimeo vids worked. Here is link.


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