/operate/ - 8chan Operation & Discussion

Okay, so for people who haven't followed along, I'll do a history of /b/'s rule changes (as documented). I don't remember the rules.html prior to the one nugger made that's documented. It might have been some sort of "zomg none :^)" thing.

I know it had one because all boards used to start with an existing but empty rules.html, in fact they still might for all I know, but I'm sure they used to. Anyways, in response to a bunch of complaints of hotpocketry, nugger made this:

https://archive.is/QC2w8 - Archived 10/15/15 at 12:48 UTC

I won't even get into that, because I already did in other threads I have saved or archived somewhere. Needless to say, there was protestation. nugger said essentially "lol i trole u i was just pretending to be retarded, rules 5 through 8 were meme rules".

To support that assertion, he added le moot line at the bottom:

https://archive.is/hL115 - Archived 10/15/15 at 12:48 UTC

He didn't tell anyone he had added it until it was called out on /operate/ that the line had not existed previously when he tried to use the "see retards why didn't you read the line at the bottom" thing. I don't remember it all perfectly and would need to re-read the archived threads, but I think I was the one who pointed that out while looking through archives. Of course nugger just ignored this and stopped posting so he could later claim it was all some epick meme bait, but he didn't post about the change anywhere. He also didn't say "rules 4 through 8 were a joke", he just used the meme line for "lol jk". He wrote these 8 rules specifically as a response to serious criticism about abuse (specifically/mostly by notlily, a vol, and apparently still one to this day months later according to glovols.html )by notlily in the form of random frivolous bannings in the style of Le Epick Snacks (who HW did once try to get to run /b/, I'm told, in contradiction of his own advertisement and original intentions for it). Nugger also tried to claim, and Nunu supported him on it, that these were just "test rules" before trying to claim they were just "shitpost rules". Because apparently no one in 8ch global moderation has heard of pastebins, and the obvious place to put it (and then link people to it vaguely) was on the official rules page? It becomes obvious that these really were going to be working rules that they could point to to do whatever they felt like doing, and then somehow they were surprised that there was blowback about that (on fucking 8chan), and tried to backpedal, getting caught in multiple lies in the process.

Then, later, this:

https://archive.is/89sxf - Archived 10/15/15 at 00:24 UTC

I'll quote here the text added between rules 2 and 3:

>This is where the hard rules end. From here, everything is up to the volunteer's discretion. /b/ is largely unmoderated, but sometimes the moderation team makes mistakes. Please, make the team aware of the mistakes by posting in /operate/ or emailing the board owner at nugger@8chan.co, or both.

This is where "everything is up to the volunteer's discretion" first comes into play. The first two rules are things the posters cannot do, and then beyond that everything is vol's discretion. Translation: Volunteers can do anything they want on /b/. Anything. They can hotpocket without limit. There are no rules for vols, but there are rules for posters. If you want vols removed who do anything they want, beg to me or complain on /operate/ until you make enough noise that I pretend to care or can't afford to keep them as vols.

>The moderation team of /b/ does not aim to curtail the ability of the posters to say or do anything beyond what is required from government regulations.

…which is why /b/ policy is to let vols do anything to censor anyone, at their discretion. Because it's not their aim to do so.

>The remaining text is retained merely for posterity's sake and is not and never has been part of the rules.

Except, you know, that part where it totally was until you added the meme because people called you out on it, not thinking someone might have already archived it.

>>45150

Now these rules themselves included gems like:

>it's fine to post "Travis fun spam" but "mindless banana less so"

The difference being?

>Going out of your way to be an asshat or a retard will probably result in a funban.

It's not a "ban", it's a "funban", just like /intl/ isn't "spamming slanderous bullshit", they're just "funposting". Remember, free speech! But free speech doesn't mean being an asshole, right? Just like every other fucking site that wants to pretend they support free speech while actually only allowing what they feel like, right?

>Volunteers have discretion to revoke posting abilities and delete content as they see fit.

Fuck, even 4chan doesn't say that shit.

>Issues with moderation should be posted on /operate/, so that the staff can be aware of the problem.

So they can continue to sidestep and ignore it and cry well-poisoning, like they did. Like you have. notlily still being vol last anyone heard and as far as I know and glovols.html states. So even with the terrible precedent of "unfettered mod abuse until the anons complain", that still didn't even work.

>/b/ is "random" not "let's be purposefully mean to everyone we meet". Outward aggression toward other users will result in short bans.

This feels like the one thrown in there specifically so he could later say "it's a meme hahaahHAAHAHAHAHA". It is also rule 5. Not the first ridiculous, unreasonable rule but the first one he did end up saying was "just le meme". The "no real rules statement" sits between 2 and 3, but that was only after a long, enormous, prolonged explanation by anyone who actually gave a shit how utterly terrible rules 3 and 4 (which they were seriously trying to keep) were.

It goes on from there with more "epick maymays" as well as "just create your own board" as if HW did not create /b/ himself specifically so no 3rd parties would end up in charge of it and he could control it so it presented the image he wanted people migrating to see. That is, being able to post whatever you wanted on /b/ within US law.

Rules 5 to 8 are outrageous and clearly meant to be sacrificed to protect rules 1 through 4 after typecasting objectors as anyone "dub enough to fall for it". The silent addition of the last line reflects that entire thought process, and it was called out, and so were rules 3 and 4. But all of this was made to give the impression that there was a compromise being made between anons and vols/nugger/globals, when in fact it served as a massive distraction and timesink to get attention away from notlily's vol abuse and vol abuse in general. The long-standing unwritten rules of /b/ are put into place (1 and 2), in addition to the 4chan-tastic clause saying "vols can do anything and this was always the case" when HW made it very clear previously that it was not the case at all before handing off the board. Of course, HW is busy being silent and withdrawn and much later giving the excuse that the capcode is broken, and it's obvious to everyone that stepping into any IRC channel to discuss something is just an invitation to be mocked and harassed endlessly by IRC sycophants, to the extent that no headway in actual discussion critical of anything globals do can take place. Forgetting for a moment the ridiculousness of the idea that everyone should have to go to IRC, it's just innately impractical and unproductive. It's just another firewall. Now, I know that HW loves his IRC and made it a requirement for globals to check in back on Wizardchan. Probably he does the same here. But this I have to say: 8chan is not wizardchan. Wizardchan was an echo chamber by design, 8chan is not and promised to be anything but that, and to value free speech, and Hotwheels is not even a virgin anymore (as widely publicized, and as officially available information on 8ch in the form of whore.txt) so let's stop pretending that this is Wizardchan 2.0, or should be, or was meant to be. In addition, I'm here from 4chan, because it was advertised to me as a free speech alternative to 4chan, and HW was selling that harder than anyone when I got here, and continued to do so for months after I got here, and was all about how moot sucked and he was taking him down, and come to 8ch for free speech. Why did I have to read through IRC logs from Wizardchan, which I never cared about, just to have some idea what was really going on with global moderation? Why did I have to rely on people having posted those logs to 8chan? Not everyone who uses imageboards uses whatever imageboard any given person thinks is the "real thing". If it were that big and popular, these sorts that complain about lack of knowledge about their echo chambers would be too hipster to use it or consider it any good anyways.

>>45151

Sorry for lack of line breaks in that post, I'll try making this one more readable.

https://archive.is/3MPdl - 10/18/15 at 00:50 UTC

Here's an archive three days later of the "fake rules" as well as rules 3 and 4 (which, again, were nearly as bad and were meant to remain there even according to the newest, most updated alibi in the /operate/ threads) being absent along with the line saying they'd be excluded for posterity. The two directly contradictory lines below the first two rules, granting vols power to do whatever they feel like without any direct consequences, remain.

That's the last archive I have before the two I posted. So now, with these current ones, what the hell gives?

Again the "meme it up" tactics with the blotter about /b/ needing no board owner (which I agree with incidentally), and the old rules nugger wrote restored with one single change: use the ban appeal form instead of emailing nugger as secondary measure after /operate/. Fine. Good.

So the questions I have are, after all of the misdirection and bullshit:

Why is the 4chan-tier "vols can do anything" verbiage back?

Is glovols.html just outdated or are there still vols?

If there are still vols and they still have unlimited power to do whatever, isn't having no BO (rather than invariably a global mod or /b/ vol appointed to the position) just a way to spread blame for vol hotpocketry further out so no one can actually be "gone to" to seek respite from vol hotpocketry or demand answers?

If the vols have been removed as well (we only know the mod was because we saw it happen, which almost put lowcard in a defacto-BO position until he clarified briefly that no one was going to be the BO), why does the "vols can do whatever" verbiage still exist when you're acting like "anything goes on /b/" now?

There is also no one containing pony/pedo discussion to any given number of threads anymore. This has happened before for period of, essentially "sulking periods" so BOs can anonymously join newfags in complaining about board quality to justify their triumphant return to rulefaggotry. Is that just what this is? Another bait and false flag period?

…and if not, and /b/ really is going to be free, WHY THE FUCK IS THE HOTPOCKET VERSION OF RULES.HTML BACK? No one's enforcing the pedo/pony/etc rule 2 anymore, which frankly I'm over and fine with, fuck it, I'd rather they spam until they get bored than more of this vols fucking around. Next is supposed to help with catalog and general spam anyways…that's what the globals are saying. Are you just trying to create a false association with the hotpocket rules and freedom or something? Is that why zuljin wrote the "leave /b/ alone" rules.html and then didn't follow it at all, went around fucking with the formatting? Is it all to set up some giant flag bullshit? If not, WHY ARE THE HOTPOCKET RULES BACK?

Let me stop here for a second to save some time for anyone trying to waste time mutually and cloud up the issue. Here are some "answers" you can just not bother giving, and why:

>Well, I just copied and pasted in nugger's rules and changed the contact stuff, why not?

Because that indicates that you somewhere had or had access to the old rules. Indicating you cared enough to know about them before, or else cared enough to get them from someone who did. It's infeasible to think you've never considered them, so I won't be accepting any answers like "well I dunno about that as a global I just rarely even see /b/ and you know I can't say". It's the third-biggest board anyways, and it's fucking /b/, everyone lurks on /b/.

>I'll ask and see what I can do

I know you will, Nunu. I know and I still think you do genuinely understand the problems with 8ch and consider them and want to fix things. But I also suspect more and more that Hotwheels & Co knew this and set you up as a bulwark. If you're the global-appointed mod of /operate/, the board everyone always tells us to go to with concerns, and no one ever seems to actually listen to anything you agree with and "bring to the globals", then it just seems like you're here to waste our time while they give us the finger. Now /b/ isn't just run by a global it was handed off to by HW, either. Lowcard made the good decision to make it no board owner, so now it is the globals, and as globals rather than board owner, that we talk to about things like this.

>Oh my god so paranoid so autistic so serious wtf

First: The massive bulk of 8ch's userbase came here to escape 4chan's bullshit, where moot, the last person anyone would have expected to completely fuck us, fucked us. We knew he was "quirky", but not many of us saw that SJW bullshit coming. Second: If you want your userbase to stop suspecting you, stop giving us such damn good reasons. Third: Yes, I know about the well-poisoners, trust me, I know. That does not invalidate the second point.

>>45153

Now I'm sure anyone who's been paying attention to all of this can hazard a guess who I am.

Yes, it's me. Yes, I POSTED IT AGAIN LOL. I posted it in better, more organized, more comprehensive form with new insights and details.

I probably won't just stop doing that.

I have been reasonable. I am not trying to split boards or kill 8ch and have denounced that altogether.

I have been seriously considering writing a long, detailed reconciliatory post acknowledging a lot of things that have happened on different boards and asking everyone not to forget, but to bury the hatchet a bit. I was going to post it on the new software. On New Years. I already started writing it. It's eloquent, kind, reconciliatory. I'm trying not to make it too long. I'm trying to be fair and include everyone in it. I want 8chan to work. I love it, I do. I've put a lot of work and thought into looking into things, making sure I wasn't spreading misinfo by accident when mostly everyone else seems willing to. I've put time into writing something I think can really reach out and speak to the serious users of the different boards…including the ones I don't personally like. I've spent time I really should have been doing other things with on all of this. I'm not just out to "get" 8chan.

I've realized I was wrong on a variety of things I thought about /b/…for instance, at first I wasn't willing to give up on containing pedos and ponies due to their constant abuse of the site and spamming on /b/ everywhere (yes, like /intl/). They've gotten better. I've realized the hypocrisy of measures being taken "because they were last year too".

But before I say anything about reconciliation, before I can in good conscience advise anyone not to bail when so many people seem willing to - although I do think a lot of them may come back after the initial slump when the software change is over and posting works properly again, probably far more than will leave due to it, like Josh says - I really need to know the globals aren't just actively screwing people over or getting high on their own power. This isn't some sort of threat, some sort of "do what I want or I'll turn the tide of PR" bullshit. I'm just explaining and expanding on my intentions so no one tries to brush this off based on their assumptions, or at least can't do so easily.

That said, if this does get brushed off or ignored, I will keep posting it. I've been patient, I've tried to be very understanding and reasonable. I've come to a place where I know what I'm talking about and will continue to talk about. If this thread is deleted or just 404s with no answers or no satisfactory answers, I will repost it, editing to include new information. I will post it wherever I think it might be relevant or people will benefit from seeing it. Again, this is not a threat of some sort. I'm just not going to be brushed off.

That reminds me of two more answers I won't be accepting:

>this is such bad timing just wait, a million other things to do we just don't have the time

It's always bad timing and I'm always somehow hurting 8ch by even bringing anything up. After we go to Next, it will be bad timing because of all of the recent drama in major boards and constant shilling by all sorts of outside forces trying to kill the place, the stress of moving to the new system and fixing bugs, addressing complaints, so on. There will always be another problem, and I'm not saying you're making up any of the problems. I'm just saying there realistically will be no end to them soon because 8chan itself is such a problematic undertaking that sooner or later if there are no problems the thought police will swing back around for another try at killing or censoring 8ch. So I'm talking now.

>Well why don't you actually give some ideas instead of criticizing

I did. Nunu asked and I did. Put a lot of time into that. Made a few different drafts of what the mods can and can't do, etc. All ignored. Nugger at the time made one sticky thread and filled it with the most obvious spam of "anons" not caring or invariably agreeing with what he was doing, and utterly ignored the ten threads in /b/ at the time saying the exact opposite. But lowcard himself now made /b/ apparently "lawless" and nothing is being enforced except by the globals right now. Anyone going on /b/ can see the board wipes, so I don't feel I need to bother posting screenshots, but if anyone asks…I have them and I will, enough to where you can't just say it was a "fluke" and vols aren't always around. That's good. Don't need them around. /b/ is better than ever despite the spam. Let's keep it lawless. So my ideas became a lot simpler now that I don't need to try and compromise with existing powers-that-be on the non-global board level moderation thing. My ideas will be in the next post, the last post, because if I put them before that people will just not read the rest at all (moreso) and bring up shit I already addressed.

So you may ask:

HOLY SHIT THAT WAS TL;DR WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT?

Well, that's simple, and I don't feel it's unreasonable. I want two things. They are both so obvious and trivially simple that you can't even say "a million other things" because…you already remembered to quite promptly reinstate the old rules with the edited info.

I want two minutes of someone's time to go into the mod.php for /b/ and make things consistent.

Firstly

Replace rules.html with a slightly improved version of the rules zuljin wrote, since they were obviously in no way shape or form the problem with his brief BO stint, to the point where it really does seem like this was just an attempt to well-poison that version of the rules. I won't even task you with coming up with rules, here is what I think would be consistent:

These are the only rules on /b/:
1. Global rules apply. In particular, no child pornography, no animal crush pornography, and no distribution of SSNs.
Note: To report violations of rule 1, please use the global report form. 
2. /b/ has no board-level moderation. The global moderators shall not interfere with or curtail the ability of the posters to say or do anything beyond what is required by US government regulations (see rule 1).

Note: To report violations of rule 2 ("mod abuse" or censorship/deletion/bannings on /b/ outside of rule 1), please use the global ban appeal form for bans or post on /operate/ regarding any censorship and deletions. If an unjustified ban is not reversed in a timely fashion, /operate/ is also an appropriate recourse for your complaint. You may also contact the administration in the IRC channels #8chan or #8chan-moderated on Rizon, or by emailing admin@8chan.co

make the team aware of the mistakes by posting in /operate/ or use the ban appeal form, or both.

The above is just zuljin's rule page without the weasel words and better organized. Below, I've justified the changes made in exacting detail so my intentions will be utterly transparent.

- I removed "hard and fast" as it can be interpreted as allowing whatever moderation people feel like.

- I left rule 1 as is, because it's been there a while and it's obvious and perfect as is.

- I changed the assurance posted below the rules section (like in nugger's style) to an actual rule. A simple rule for moderation to follow. One for posters, one for mods. That seems fair.

- I added that /b/ has no board-level moderation. I hope this is now true.

- I added that globals shall not interfere with or curtail, in place of "do not aim to" which is a useless nicety for anons. Originally I wrote will not because this isn't a court of law, but then I realized retards would say "leave 8chan they lied" if a global was abusive instead of "you can't do that, it says so in the rules". Shall implies allowance, will implies prevention, to some degree.

- I reworded the government regulations part slightly for clarity and specificity and added a callback to rule 1.

- I posted the archive.is of the rules page this was modified from right in this thread, so you know I'm not fucking around.

- I added a more useful form of the contact stuff from nugger's version of the rules, updated to the new policies. Since it's apparently globally moderated now, I made it a matter of reporting abuse rather than "talking about mistakes". Then I decided that was unnecessarily accusative in the same way nugger's verbiage was unnecessarily dismissive, so I changed it to refer to it in both ways. That way no one can even fault me on tone neutrality in this writeup, I'm doing this shit clean.

- Then I even broke that shit out by rule to make it even clearer and better for everyone and gave you some leeway and breathing roo on mistakes. Hell, I swallowed my aversion and included the IRC channels as secondary channels for complaint. Truly I am a saint. I don't know if it's practical for anyone to have admin@8chan.co on the note for rule 2…I just put it on tentatively, consider it optional.

Secondly

If there are still vols on /b/, unvol them. If they're globals, they can already moderate on a global level for global issues, and removing the board vol accounts is simple, easy, and just morally clear and consistent. If not globals, them being there contradicts what lowcard is doing. There's no point in no BO if it's going to be the same shit, just with no clear BO to bring the issue to.

ONE LAST THING

Issue with the rules I wrote or disagreement with something I said?

Post about it. Here, in this thread. Want to change or modify or negotiate something about the rules?

Post about it. Post a proposed version in here. Post a link to a pastebin. Don't post some changed or bizarre version of shit on the official /b/rules.html and then try to say "well just doing what you wanted" if it's shit.

I look forward to hopefully some interesting discussion about this. Now off to write a paper in an hour.

Nunu, I messed up the formatting on the post above this one and forgot to delete a redundant line I had pasted in for reference. Please delete the comment above and leave this one so people know why it was deleted if it somehow comes up. Thanks. Will repost fixed version next post.

So you may ask:

HOLY SHIT THAT WAS TL;DR WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU ACTUALLY WANT?

Well, that's simple, and I don't feel it's unreasonable. I want two things. They are both so obvious and trivially simple that you can't even say "a million other things" because…you already remembered to quite promptly reinstate the old rules with the edited info.

I want two minutes of someone's time to go into the mod.php for /b/ and make things consistent.

Firstly

Replace rules.html with a slightly improved version of the rules zuljin wrote, since they were obviously in no way shape or form the problem with his brief BO stint, to the point where it really does seem like this was just an attempt to well-poison that version of the rules. I won't even task you with coming up with rules, here is what I think would be consistent:

These are the only rules on /b/:
1. Global rules apply. In particular, no child pornography, no animal crush pornography, and no distribution of SSNs.
Note: To report violations of rule 1, please use the global report form. 
2. /b/ has no board-level moderation. The global moderators shall not interfere with or curtail the ability of the posters to say or do anything beyond what is required by US government regulations (see rule 1).
Note: To report violations of rule 2 ("mod abuse" or censorship/deletion/bannings on /b/ outside of rule 1), please use the global ban appeal form for bans or post on /operate/ regarding any censorship and deletions. If an unjustified ban is not reversed in a timely fashion, /operate/ is also an appropriate recourse for your complaint. You may also contact the administration in the IRC channels #8chan or #8chan-moderated on Rizon, or by emailing admin@8chan.co

The above is just zuljin's rule page without the weasel words and better organized. Below, I've justified the changes made in exacting detail so my intentions will be utterly transparent.

>I removed "hard and fast" as it can be interpreted as allowing whatever moderation people feel like.

>I left rule 1 as is, because it's been there a while and it's obvious and perfect as is.

>I changed the assurance posted below the rules section (like in nugger's style) to an actual rule. A simple rule for moderation to follow. One for posters, one for mods. That seems fair.

>I added that /b/ has no board-level moderation. I hope this is now true.

>I added that globals shall not interfere with or curtail, in place of "do not aim to" which is a useless nicety for anons. Originally I wrote will not because this isn't a court of law, but then I realized retards would say "leave 8chan they lied" if a global was abusive instead of "you can't do that, it says so in the rules". Shall implies allowance, will implies prevention, to some degree.

>I reworded the government regulations part slightly for clarity and specificity and added a callback to rule 1.

>I posted the archive.is of the rules page this was modified from right in this thread, so you know I'm not fucking around.

>I added a more useful form of the contact stuff from nugger's version of the rules, updated to the new policies. Since it's apparently globally moderated now, I made it a matter of reporting abuse rather than "talking about mistakes". Then I decided that was unnecessarily accusative in the same way nugger's verbiage was unnecessarily dismissive, so I changed it to refer to it in both ways. That way no one can even fault me on tone neutrality in this writeup, I'm doing this shit clean.

>I even broke that shit out by rule to make it even clearer and better for everyone and gave you some leeway and breathing roo on mistakes. Hell, I swallowed my aversion and included the IRC channels as secondary channels for complaint. Truly I am a saint. I don't know if it's practical for anyone to have admin@8chan.co on the note for rule 2…I just put it on tentatively, consider it optional.

Secondly

If there are still vols on /b/, unvol them. If they're globals, they can already moderate on a global level for global issues, and removing the board vol accounts is simple, easy, and just morally clear and consistent. If not globals, them being there contradicts what lowcard is doing. There's no point in no BO if it's going to be the same shit, just with no clear BO to bring the issue to.

ONE LAST THING

Issue with the rules I wrote or disagreement with something I said?

Post about it. Here, in this thread. Want to change or modify or negotiate something about the rules?

Post about it. Post a proposed version in here. Post a link to a pastebin. Don't post some changed or bizarre version of shit on the official /b/rules.html and then try to say "well just doing what you wanted" if it's shit.

I look forward to hopefully some interesting discussion about this. Now off to write a paper in an hour.

Here, an archive.is of this thread just as I left it…including the mistake I asked to be deleted:

https://archive.is/4jZxq

>>45160

I thought I told you to fuck off already, /intl/.

You may note that reasoned argument and the aspiration to impartiality is also within human nature, but you don't because you're a pleb who can only ever refer to human nature in a negative way.

>>45162

In no way did I imply that "reasoned argument" does not exist within human nature. In fact, my argument is premised on reasoned argument existing - only to be rejected. So your response is based on a false premise.

Which gets us back to my point on the nature of discourse. There are a few ways discourse fails. One way is through a post like yours - in which one party fundamentally misunderstands the other party, responding to a false/manufactured premise rather than the actual premise.

Another way is when one party has the power to silence the other party through force. When this is the case, discourse inevitably breaks down. No matter how "reasoned" your argument may be. This is the issue when trying to convince moderators through reason…

…because it is fundamentally not a reasonable discourse. It is not discourse at all, because it is not a two way street. I hope this makes sense to you, but as I said the fact that you fundamentally misinterpreted my previous post doesn't bode well for our ability to engage with each other.

>>45175

>inevitably

There you go again. You're forgetting all of those times when it didn't. Unless you mean "over time", in which case everything degrades over time, not limited to discourse.

It's not that I expect mods not to be shit no matter how many times they act shitty, it's that there may be a greater chance of them not acting shitty given a reasonable argument than given only vague directionless nagging or no challenge at all.

To your supposition, I did not in fact misinterpet your post, you just failed to make the logical implication my own post stated. I apologize for being vague, let me break this down:

>No amount of reasoned argument will convince people to not abuse their power

This is an absolute statement. It implies by its very nature that the aspiration to impartiality does not exist within human nature, because if it did, you could not accurately or certainly predict whether or not it would be convincing.

I replied with hyperbole pretty obviously intended to cause you to realize the error of this statement. I apologize for overestimating your intuition, and I will not be taking any heh pills today.

Is it really that hard to just enforce

no spam

no leaking out of pedo and mlp threads

don't break global rules

Leave it at that instead of allowing hotpockets to ruin the board again.

>>45182

that would require mods to not want to jerk it to cp though.

>>45149

> zuljin pulled a major moot-hates-/pol/ by trying to enforce "quality" and generally betrayed the fuck out of the rules he apparently wrote

what are you referring to? ponies and pedos *were* allowed to post free range when he removed rule 2.

>>45149

> zuljin pulled a major moot-hates-/pol/ by trying to enforce "quality" and generally betrayed the fuck out of the rules he apparently wrote

what are you referring to? ponies and pedos *were* allowed to post free range when he removed rule 2.

How many captchas do I have to fill to write this one post?

>>45176

>There you go again.

This is a matter of you misunderstanding the term "discourse". By definition, discourse ends when one party uses force to end it. To use an example, if you are talking with a mod and the mod bans you then your discourse with the mod has ended.

>It implies by its very nature that the aspiration to impartiality does not exist within human nature

Rather, the implication is that this aspiration is rendered irrelevant when you hold all the power. You claim I think in absolutes, but this is precisely what you are guilty of. This is not an either/or proposition. It's simply a matter of one party weighing its options, and when that party has the power to enforce its will it will do so.

>I replied with hyperbole pretty obviously intended to cause you to realize the error of this statement. I apologize for overestimating your intuition, and I will not be taking any heh pills today.

Yes. I am dumb and you are smart because I said so. You might as well just say that, instead of using all these fancy words - because that's all this amounts to.

You've tried to adopt my style of argument but it doesn't really suite you in this particular case.

>>45187

I'm referring to him just flat-out removing the ability to upload files, forced anon, etc, etc, etc, all of the seemingly pointless messing around to bring "quality" to /b/. Suddenly a text board? I don't think so. If he'd just left things alone with those rules, I don't see any problem but the pedos and bronies spamming more, and really, they don't stick to one thread anyways.

>>45189

If you're going to accuse me of reductionism and then go on to exhibit blatant reductionism, I can only repeat: I will not be taking any heh pills today. That is really the only point of this exchange so far as I can see. The heh pill will remain unswallowed.

>>45187

I'm referring to him just flat-out removing the ability to upload files, forced anon, etc, etc, etc, all of the seemingly pointless messing around to bring "quality" to /b/. Suddenly a text board? I don't think so. If he'd just left things alone with those rules, I don't see any problem but the pedos and bronies spamming more, and really, they don't stick to one thread anyways.

>>45189

If you're going to accuse me of reductionism and then go on to exhibit blatant reductionism, I can only repeat: I will not be taking any heh pills today. That is really the only point of this exchange so far as I can see. The heh pill will remain unswallowed.

Not sure if already posted because server errors.

>>45190

So basically, you have no actual response to my post.

You don't have to tell me that you won't take the Heh Pill, that much is obvious. I came here to provide you with help and advice, but it is not up to me whether you choose to take it into account.

Good luck, but eventually you'll see the futility in trying to reason with these people.

>>45192

From my perspective you provided some fairly standard-issue copy-pasted drivel about the futility of imbalanced systems, told me nothing that would be of any use to anyone, suggested no actual course of action, and then got offended that I didn't join you in misconstruing your jade-colored glasses as wisdom.

And hey, reading your last line, you included the literal term "futility", so looks like I was right on the money again.

>>45192

On another note, I was already averse enough to the /intl/s when I thought you were just "lol chaotic randumb" attention whores, now I find out you actually buy your own line about enlightenment? Top wew. Anyways, good derail.

>>45194

Well naturally, we're all 8gaggers here after all.

Have you considered going back to SA to be triggered about your hypocritical attention-whoring there instead?

All across the internet, it is known far and wide that goons can dish it out but cannot take it, and are rapidly losing their ability to efficaciously dish it out due to their metastasizing special snowflake complexes. All of your trumped-up objections to 8chan, all of your feeble and half-baked attempts to SHUT IT DOWN, all of this springs from the one sin of 8chan users:

They have opinions as varied and often shitty and unrealistic as yours, and theirs are different than the official ones you accept, and they disagree with you without apologizing first or caring about your perceived seniority and the vast stores of wisdom you must secretly all have to act so dumb all the time.

8chan isn't a deferential colony of SA, and all of those years and years of spamming tranny and beta threads across /b/ didn't achieve the desired unilateral effect you were sure it would, and…let's be honest…that triggers you. That triggers you so hard you shouldn't go back to Tumblr, you should go back to myspace.

>>45198

This pasta seems somehow so familiar, almost as if I had written it myself :^)

>>45199

Irony doesn't protect you. I also know that you haven't turned off your computer for since at least last Thursday. It will not get better for you, only more embarrassing. If Swissproxy is unlucky, he will go to prison too. If this happens, he may rat out one of your handles.

this thread is figuratively reddit tbh