/operate/ - 8chan Operation & Discussion

>>46465

pretty reasonable tbh fam

I don't like it. Your approach only makes it more of a pain in the ass for everyone else, without directly targeting the spammer himself. It's an added inconvenience for everyone who posts on more than just one board.

What needs to be done is to make it easier for global vols to detect and delete all CP posts more quickly. From what I understand of the current system, if I post one CP post on /v/ and one CP post on /a/ with the same IP address, global vols do not have the capability to delete all posts linked to my IP. Despite how incompetent Josh was a developer, this is one major limitation his software was intended to fix.

If and when vichan is reworked so globals can delete all posts per IP, HW can start looking at implementing even more anti-spam measures like adding a board feature that bans Tor proxies from creating threads, auto-banning CP URLs, auto-banning images based on matching hashes (HW already does this with his DMCA blacklist), and so on. Again, none of these features would be an inconvenience to anyone but the spammers.

>>46467

Per IRC logs and the recent stream, most users only post on a single board.

>>46467

8chan does have tor support, and this is advertised on the front page.

Board owners already have the ability to allow/deny tor users from posting all together, posting images, or posting threads.

>none of these features would be an inconvenience to anyone but the spammers

Tor is an extremely useful tool for anonymity, and disabling it inconveniences those who care about their privacy.

>>46465

>24 hour captcha per board

it's a good idea.

>>46467

>Your approach only makes it more of a pain in the ass for everyone else, without directly targeting the spammer himself. It's an added inconvenience for everyone who posts on more than just one board.

>Despite how incompetent Josh was a developer, this is one major limitation his software was intended to fix.

I don't dispute much of what you said, however I was under the impression that many of those suggestions were discussed at length in the past and rebuked for whatever reason-leading to the captcha system that was slated for Next, with my proposal merely serving as a response to that hypothetical apparatus specifically.

>>46465

How about a 72 hour captcha per board?

Actually, just let board owners set the length.

Not a fan. I'd rather push B&D once a day than force everyone else to fill out captcha.

>>46476

>than force everyone else to fill out captcha

it's obvious that captcha isn't a big deal for most people.

4chan requires captcha on every post and people don't seem to care.

I hate captcha and would disable it from my board completely if possible.

But more importantly, the captcha does not stop this spammer even if it's enabled for every new thread on a board. So this idea just adds inconvenience to regular posters.

>>46478

This. While I don't like captcha, I think that this represents a solution that is not only the easiest to implement, but it actually prevents this person from spamming shit instead of dealing with it after the fact. For example

>mass delete and ban

A good tool to have, but I imagine most Board Owners delete the CP themselves instead of waiting for Global Staff who may never come to do it for them, and we've seen how effective banning this person has been thus far regardless. With this apparatus in place the fuck will still get to post his shit, regardless of whether it's up as long as it once was may not deter him in the slightest, but it would certainly be better than leaving it up to each and every board owner to do it, because I guarantee this stuff remains on tons of dead boards right now.

>CP urls

Making a "naughty url" list would likely have the same effect as permanently banning him (i.e. none) because he'd just stop putting the urls in the post body. There aren't always urls or text at all in this troglodytes posts anyway if I recall correctly, because the urls are in the images themselves, which brings up my next point…

>auto-banning images based on matching hashes (HW already does this with his DMCA blacklist)

the spammer could easily create "new" images by simply changing a pixel and saving it in mspaint and simply set his robot loose on the site again. This would add about 20 seconds to his daily routine up from the current 3-5 to solve a captcha

Sure these things would represent a minor inconvenience for him once or twice, but then he'd just find a way to work around them the next day and they'd be effectively obsolete, in my mind the best way would be to prevent him, and any people like him that may come in the future, from posting as much as possible and captcha is pretty much the only way.

>>46481

>But more importantly, the captcha does not stop this spammer even if it's enabled for every new thread on a board.

That's interesting. Can you point to a board where this is the case? Certainly he could spam manually unfortunately, there's nothing that could possibly prevent that.

Unfortunately, what may be needed is some form of IP address recognition, pattern analysis, and reputation system. IPs that have not been seen before, or are posing on different boards out of a normal pattern, get a captcha per post, and a more detail oriented captcha at that.

IPs that are around for a while and are recognized as routinely benign get a 24 hour captcha, or similar.

I strongly suspect 4chan is doing something along these lines.

I'm not saying I like it, nor that I want it. I'm not saying this properly jives with anon culture. It may be the system in store for us all, someday soon.

Obtain and guard your own IP address, lest you be regulated to the ghetto 'net.

To reiterate my previous point, HW should make the job easier for globals and not to make things more of a nuisance for users.

My board is in top 25 populated, and it's had captcha on for thread creation and Tor users blacklisted for months now. Regardless of this, my board still gets spammed 2 or 3 times a day by this guy then he works his way to the other top boards. He has a cut-off point somewhere, maybe it's top 25, maybe top 40, because he doesn't bother spamming the completely inactive boards. If he sees the board has at least some active posters, he will spam it no matter what, even if it has captcha on.

Your argument that "most users only post on a single board therefore per board captcha isn't an inconvenience" is a mob rule standpoint, and I hope you're not one of those people who thinks 4000 /v/ or /pol/ hugboxers are more important than the rest of 8chan.

>>46482

> Can you point to a board where this is the case?

I've personally seen it on /tv/ and /tech/. Like this guy says >>46494 the spam progresses down the board list regardless of the captcha setting.

>>46465

>wanting even more captcha

Fuck off faggot, you may as well suggest per-post be mandatory site-wide.

Hotwheels has proven he can ban links by banning link shorteners that act as referrals. Why don't he ban the links this spammer posts?

>>46478

4chan let a bunch of faggots take over and let the site get sold to a data miner, how about we follow them there too. Faggot.

>>46482

> Making a "naughty url" list would likely have the same effect as permanently banning him (i.e. none) because he'd just stop putting the urls in the post body. There aren't always urls or text at all in this troglodytes posts anyway if I recall correctly, because the urls are in the images themselves, which brings up my next point…

One wonders why IRCwheels doesn't do that despite the problem being a problem for at least 18 months.

>>46496

Note how one of those paragraphs is just admitting the global vols that have one fucking job are too fucking lazy to deal with botspam.

>>46501

>Why don't he ban the links this spammer posts?

They already have been, he makes new ones or just posts the link in the image.

>>46501

>how about we follow them there too. Faggot.

yet the majority fall on their knees to give hiroyuki blow jobs even with captcha on every post, it's obvious the people complaining about the few captchas on 8chan are a vocal minority.

no fuck off

>>46467

>>46496

this, give better tools to globals and fix the report system

holy shit you guys begging for MUH CAPTCHA are obvious /intl/ shills

>>46518

>muh vocal minority

Spotted the kike.

We know what kind of person uses claims of "vocal minority" to brush aside what people actually want.

Also,

>people on halfchan like it therefore it's ok

If faggots on halfchan were any good they would have left for here in the second exodus at the latest.

>>46496

im fairly certian the pop up being to small is intentional, to ever so slightly increase the likelyhood of you reading the same paragraph 4 times over.

>Notice how I can't even type in the captcha because of those long fucking paragraphs obscuring the view of the small window size? Hmm, I guess I'll just have to scroll down. Oh wait! There's no scroll bar, and the mouse scroll wheel doesn't work for this window.

rezise the pop up you retard.

>>46492

>I strongly suspect 4chan is doing something along these lines.

The only demonstrable difference with 4chan's captcha is what's inherent to google. 4chan have very little control over reCAPTCHA.

>>46518

>>46542

"4chan users like it therefor its bad/good" are two sides of the same retarded reasoning coin. It's not even correct in this situation either, 4chan users put up with it. There were month's of stink about it when it was first implemented and a good portion would probably jump at the chance to get rid of it now. That was an entirely administrative decision, it had nothing to do with the support, or lack thereof, of the users.

I could tolerate a 24 hour captcha per board if it used the UI flow the per-post one currently does, instead of the bullshit wait-for-error-then-open-a-new-tab-then-go-back process we have today.

>>46465

>24 hour captcha per board

>This would make it so that this pathetic creature would have to manually submit his shit on every single board that he intends to post it instead of being able to rely on a robot to do the work for him.

Still not solving the cp problem

>>46465

>This would represent a slightly elevated inconvenience to the entirety of the userbase as a whole vs the 24 hours captcha, but it is nonetheless preferable

>nonetheless preferable

By whom?

>>46465

>At least it would be preferable regarding this particular problem

Back pedaling much?

>>46467

>more anti-spam measures

rulecuck

>>46492

Fuck off spookfag

>>46525

Anti-shill shill

>>46542

>second exodus

newstormfag detected

you sound what they call btfo

>>46545

>and a good portion would probably jump at the chance to get rid of it now

Those people buy 4chan passes.

>>46549

>By whom?

I guess I'll repeat myself for the third time this thread, and answer your question by completing the sentence fragment you cropped out in your response.

>but it is nonetheless preferable, I believe, to the Next model which was to be a captcha every 10 posts [and/]or every 3 hours.

Before Infinity Next was mercifully killed off, though was slated to be released very soon and would have been if Josh didn't have his falling out with Hotwheels, we were going to have a per 10 post + per 3 hour captcha across this entire site. Given that multiple alternatives were suggested much like this user here ( >>46467 ) and were as far as I know denied, I assumed that this plan to roll out some kind of new captcha policy at some point remained unchanged. Because of that, I made this thread to propose a different hypothetical policy to that one, one that I felt was less obtrusive to the userbase as a whole but more obtrusive to a cross-board spammer, whether it's the CP retard we're dealing with today or some new shithead that comes along in the future.

Now, I don't know what Hotwheel's plan currently is if he even has one but I know that if he's still intent on that per 10 post + per 3 hour captcha apparatus that was, again, slated to be introduced alongside Infinity Next I'd like my suggestion to serve as an alternative to that, specifically.

I should have been more clear in the OP, I suppose not everyone would be aware what Infinity Next's captcha was going to be.

>>46552

>per 10 post + per 3 hour captcha

that's fair.

>>46494

>If he sees the board has at least some active posters, he will spam it no matter what, even if it has captcha on.

Interesting point. I have a board that is roughly top 300~. If we get no posts for a while, there's no spam, but after a flurry of posts as you get on small boards, suddenly he'll start spamming it twice a day again.

>>46501

>Note how one of those paragraphs is just admitting the global vols that have one fucking job are too fucking lazy to deal with botspam.

Dude, they aren't paid for it. They spend all this time looking through CP to determine it it's really CP, and whatever else gore and gross shit is reported. Have some respect.

>>46525

>/intl/ shills

kill yourself.

…though giving better tools to globals and fixing the report system is a good idea

i don't want more captchas either, there has to be a better solution