/phile/ - For those who think young.

>>4776

Totally agree. Cuddling is the best.

wtf are "partially lewd cuddles"?

But no, I prefer having sex with them than cuddling. The feel of their warm mouth, or tight little pussy and ass is heavenly!

>>4778

What a bags of sand comment. You haven't had sex with sweet Lolits.

>>4778

partially lewd cuddles are defined as cuddles that could be interpreted as lewd like touching and feeling and stuff but could also be entirely platonic

>>4785

>You haven't had sex with sweet Lolits.

I haven't?

Damn, I went to prison for nothing then.

>>4789

Well, unless your hands or fingers are in direct contact with her asshole or pussy, then it is platonic. If you're rubbing your fingers up and down her slit, or between her ass cheeks, then it's flat out lewd and can't be interpreted otherwise.

The only grey area would be a girls chest. If she has no breast development yet, then yes it could be interpreted as just rubbing her chest.

>>4790

Wat? Have we heard this story before?

>>4794

Probably

>>4795

I don't remember it well, however. Refresh my memory?

>>4796

I was involved with my ex gf's daughter. It started when she was 7 and ended when she was 12. My ex gf turned me in because she was jealous.

Man! I was just about to start a similar poll about whether everyone would prefer sex with a woman or unlimited hugging n' kissing with a girl.

I'm guessing if we all had lgfs who loved to cuddle we'd lose interest in sex and porn and maybe a few other vices. But the antis would never allow such things.

>>4797

Oh, yeah, now I remember, you were kind of a dick, and she got fed up with you and turned you in. No one deserves betrayal like that, though, holy fucking shit.

Still, there is a lesson there for all of us. Gotta be careful how you treat everyone.

>>4802

>sex with a woman

You could never pay me enough.

Unless that woman grew up from a girl whom I had the chance to know and love before she got to be a woman, then sex with a woman is not an incentive, and rather, a thing to be avoided at all costs.

>>4809

So far it's girls 2 women 0…to the surprise of nobody.

There's a reason why so many women try so hard to look and act as young as possible.

>>4776

I love cuddling and if by partially lewd you mean fondling and copping a few feels then I'm all in.

Best ever is fonbdling and making my loli feel good

>>4809

>Still, there is a lesson there for all of us. Gotta be careful how you treat everyone.

Yeah, her knowing about it was a blessing in some ways, since I was able to be with the girl any time I wanted. Didn't have to be sneaky about it.

Unfortunately I let it interfere with hers and my relationship.

>>4810

No. I respect your desires but it is not the majority. If you actually paid attention girls try to act like women. The average man isn't attracted to immature girls.

>>4816

You're right. Like the old Stanhope bit goes, at no point during a sexual act does a guy wanna hear the girl go "Ew! You wanna do what!?!"

And girls do like to act older which is one of countless reasons we love them. Still, you've gotta admit there are MANY guys who'd gladly put up with anything just to be able to be around lolis for a while and maybe cuddle.

>>4825

Honestly I don't think most male paedophiles are truly pedophiles. I noticed some men want the same rights as women. For example a woman can huge, kiss, hold, play, etc with a child and it is okay. A man? People assume it is sexual. I think men aren't allowed to show physical affection to children even if it is non-sexual. So men who really want to are labelled a pedophile.

>>4827

Here lies a stunning double standard. To be fair women get a free pass to kiss and cuddle children because they're generally caring and nurturing by nature. Conversely, men are presumed to wanna have nothing to do with children (hence all the deadbeat dads who skip town after knocking up their gfs), so what else are parents to think when strange men stare and smile at their lgs?

That said in a perfect future anyone could pay to play with lgs, either in IRL or in a holodeck, as an effective form of stress relief. Until then take good care of yourself and if you can please help in the development of this technology.

>>4849

I was with you until

>>That said in a perfect future anyone could pay to play with lgs, either in IRL or in a holodeck, as an effective form of stress relief.

No dude. This sounds like prostitution. As a parent I would never let my children do that. However if my child has an adult friend (for free) then that is fine. You are ignoring the child and putting too much on the adult. Rather have cultural acceptable for adults to befriend children. Getting money involved sounds dirty.

>>4854

Anon says:

>Getting money involved sounds dirty.

Society says:

>Adults having sex with children sounds dirty.

See where this is going?

Things are "dirty" because of the stigma put on those things, not necessarily because they are dirty.

>>4854

Excellent point. I withdraw the prostitution references, although video games and simulations are still a great idea for those who don't know girls whose parents will allow them to have older friends. And if you're a parent who would even consider the idea of adult/child relationships involving your own kids I commend you for being far more accepting and open-minded than most folks.

>>4860

Once again I'm reminded of Stanhope. "Meet a chick in a bar, tell her every lie in the book just so you can bang her and never see her again, leave her crying by a phone that'll never ring, and you're a great guy. But a guy who just really needs a bj meets a girl who just really needs $40, you'd think perfect couple. But no, somebody's going to the pokey tonight cuz there's a vice cop on duty!"

As for stigmas, replace all uses of force with consent and a full awareness by all parties involved and the word dirty becomes meaningless. Is a sexual act or even simple affection still wrong if it's the girl's idea? I say no.

>>4860

No prostitution is disgusting. Would you date or marry a prostitute? Would you respect or befriend one? No why not? No offense but MAPs like you are the reason you guys don't have rights. I would have no problem with an adult being friends with my children. What you won't do is pay my children to please you (even non sexually). You know what it sounds like?

"I am an awful human being who has to pay a child to like me".

That is what it sounds like. Why can't you befriend a child without paying them? Paying someone to like you shows that you have issues. People are not some good that you buy. Learn to create a relationship between a child not pay them because you don't feel like being a decent human being.

It is dirty dummy. It has nothing to do with stigma or else I won't be here at all talking to you all. I'm not a MAP, but some of these ideas are idiotic and disgusting. If you want to be friends with my child it will be because they like you not because you pay them. Geez.

>>4867

Yes I am. I am here to help. I might be harsh but you have to understand that I'm trying to explain our (non MAP perspective) position. I have no problem with children befriending adults. However I have limits. If a child doesn't like you move on. You don't want anyone liking you for superficial reasons. You deserve to have a genuine relationship. Not to armchair psychologist you but some times people feel they have to pay someone (whether money, gifts, etc) to be friends them it is because they think nobody will like them for who they are. You seem like a nice guy you don't need to pay anyone anything.

>>4870

>No prostitution is disgusting.

[citation needed]

Prostitution is disgusting because people say it is, not because it actually is.

And even then, only certain aspects of prostitution are considered disgusting, such as the nasty crack whore. We don't get all up in arms when someone gets caught with an attractive $500.00 an hour "escort".

Your claim is baseless and therefore nullified. You have no actual facts to back up your belief that it's inherently disgusting. It's your opinion.

>>4870

Words of support at last! Thank you, we could use more positivity here.

As for kids who don't like guys who like kids, that's an effective built-in defense mechanism which I agree with completely. Conversely when a true pedo senses the slightest discomfort or fear in a child we turn to sludge and flee like vampires from the sun. Mutual happiness and harmony is most important, and until a better option appears almost 100% of us will remain at our computers too shy to even say hello to a child let alone attempt to befriend them.

I do appreciate all compliments as I'm sure we all do. A little self-esteem and confidence could do us all a world of good. Once our own houses are put in order we might even be ready to consider something like a real relationship, or at least we'll get our minds right so this board doesn't remain yet another collection of death threats and racist profanity.

>>4872

There's a fucking reason people say prostitution is disgusting you idiot.

>>4876

Maybe. But you're yet to actually point out what's so wrong or disgusting about it. You make it seem obvious. If it is, you shouldn't need to avoid answering like you are.

>>4876

>There's a fucking reason people say prostitution is disgusting

Like >>4877 said, you haven't given any good reason as to why it's disgusting, other than societies opinion. What is the basis of those opinions?

Seems to me it's just like societies opinion about adult/child sexual activity. "It's disgusting because…Well, it's just disgusting!" There's really no good reason for it to be disgusting though.

>>4872

>>4879

>>4877

What about those forced into prostitution?STIs/STDs? You still haven't answered my questions so I will make them more bullet points style. I will also tag those who support prostitution.

Would you marry or date a former prostitute?

Do you respect prostitutes?

Would you became a prostitute yourself?

Would you want children to become prostitutes?

Would you support your daughter. Being a prostitute?

Would you want a prostitute coming in in career day telling kids to think about being a prostitute?

If you don't answer my questions then I will assume it is because you have no problem legalizing it but don't actually see prostitutes as humans beings. A good reason not to support it.

Why is paying for sex a good thing? Yes it is my opinion. I am not going to support prostitution especially for children. My child will not be a prostitute for anyone's enjoyment.

>>4874

Yes! I feel bad that pedos cannot befriend children IRL. You seem like a nice person who isn't caught up in chan culture. As a child I was friends with adults and I gained a lot from those friendships. Looking back I do wonder if certain adults were pedos but I am sure they knew they had to keep a secret. Now as an adult I befriend children (mainly my children's friend). Many times children need adult friends because they might not feel comfortable talking to their parents. They can't talk to their peers because they need the guidance of an adult. From what I gather most pedos just want the right to befriend a child. They do not want to force anything on the child. I also think if pedos were allowed to have friendships with kids they would be less like to offend, they would in better mental health and society as a whole would benefit. I would have no problem being supportive you if you wanted to befriend my child.

>>4880

>Would you marry or date a former prostitute?

Possibly. The only thing I know about them is that they used to be a prostitute, so I don't know anything. I'd make sure to know if she has STD/STI's before we had sex, though. But I do that with whoever I have sex with.

>Do you respect prostitutes?

As an occupation? Not generally. But then again, I don't respect janitors or fry-cooks either, because those aren't prestigious jobs that require huge amounts of skill or training. Could I respect and individual prostitute? Sure, if they're respectable. I don't judge people by their job very often.

>Would you became a prostitute yourself?

I couldn't if I tried. But, assuming the opportunity arose, sure. For a guy it's not as easy, but it's still good money for simple work. I wouldn't try to make a career out of it though, because there's no path there.

>Would you want children to become prostitutes?

No. There's nothing wrong with prostitution, but children are easily swayed in their thinking. With a bad client or two they could end up seeing themselves as a piece of meat, rather than beautiful people selling a fun experience. Also, they're very trusting, so they'd be at higher risk for getting a disease.

>Would you support your daughter. Being a prostitute?

I'd support my daughter with almost anything. I'd try to convince her not to, depending on age, but ultimately it's her choice. I'd have to meet whoever put the idea in her head though, because it's probable that they aren't looking out for her best interest.

>Would you want a prostitute coming in in career day telling kids to think about being a prostitute?

No more than I'd want the kid behind the register at McDonalds doing so. I don't want people influencing kids to get jobs that don't go anywhere.

>Why is paying for sex a good thing?

Because some people are either unable to talk to and seduce women, or they don't care for the game, and want to cut to the chase. Some women like sex and are good at it, so why shouldn't they have the option of monetizing that? Others have bills and things building up and need a lot of money fast. People are willing to pay for sex, why not let them? As for child prostitutes, really, the idea shouldn't even enter their minds, unless someone wanted to exploit it, which means that the most likely scenario is immoral because they're being manipulated. In the event that they came to the conclusion themselves, I think the most you can do is explain the good and the bad in detail, so that they can make the decision with all the facts. Also, if you care for them, you'd probably want to screen their customers, to make sure they're not going to get hurt. I couldn't take away their freedom of choice, that goes against my nature. But I can help ensure that choice is made from a place of knowledge, and that it doesn't negatively impact them too much, if it does at all.

>>4880

It seems that "Mitch" >>4882

posted a pretty eloquent reply to you before I got a chance to reply, but basically he summed it up quite well.

There is a difference between a crack whore and a high end call girl, just as there's a difference between a fry cook at your local dive and the head chef at a prestigious restaurant.

One does not necessarily disqualify the other as a career choice.

Let me ask you this…If you met a woman, fell in love, got married, bought a house, had kids, and then found out she used to sell her body for money, would you divorce her?

What about if you found out she didn't sell her body, but had numerous sexual partners before meeting you? Technically she wasn't a prostitute, just a slut. Would you dump her?

>>4883

Honesty you have a messed up view of the world. Most prostitutes are kidnapped as girls/forced to do it/on drugs/runaways/other bad situations.

Have you talked or worked around prostitutes (I volunteer at a shelter for women who are trying to get away)? Most women who are prostitutes because they felt that they had no choice or they literally didn't have one. I know former prostitute s and honestly you guys are delusional to think it is a glamour life. The call girl is a rare occurrence. Girls are being kidnapped and forced into. They are being deceived. They are scared for their lives and just want to go back to their former life. They aren't happy and healthy. They get abused (it is how a pimples breaks them down), threaten, sold to pushed pimps. There is nothing glamorous about it. Even the other guy admitted he didn't respect them nor wants kids to do it. Prostitution is highly corrupt. Please consider actually talking with prostitutes because you guys have no idea. Also don't dismiss what I'm saying because it doesn't go along with your narrative. Instead of speaking for prostitutes go and actually talk to former ones.

Would you want to pay for sex knowing the woman was being forced to serve you and didn't even get to keep the money? I hope not.

Hosently it is disturbing to see people devalue sex so much. Paying someone for sex basically shows you admit to being undesirable (at least to the women you want) and that you have to pay for something others get freely. I can't imagine the lack of diginity one has to have sex with a person that finds you unattractive and undesireable. It would be like paying someone to be your friend and hang out.

>>4883

Anyway. To your hypothetical.

>>Let me ask you this…If you met a woman, fell in love, got married, bought a house, had kids, and then found out she used to sell her body for money, would you divorce her?

Again you don't know any actual former prostitutes. Rarely do any return to a normal life. Most have kids (with no idea of who the father is). Most choose not to date or marry because they have too many issues they are dealing with plus are focused on other things. Some have STDs/STIs that are incurable. Others were former drug users. Others become pimps (estimated 40% of pimps are female). Some are actual dead. Others are unable to have children. certain ones are dealing with serious mental illness. Certain women commit suicide. Others return because they don't feel they have options. My point in mentioning the previous example is to illustrate that even if a prostitute wanted to hide her former life. It is unlikely that it can't be discovered. I only heard of one not disclosing that she was a prostitute…..because she had become a pimp and was trying to recruit women for "modelling" and "going on dates with rich men" when actually that was completely false. So the ones who don't disclose tend to be the ones who are still in the business trying to lure other girls into it.

All the prostitutes I know or met actually are upfront to people about their past life. Usually because they go around as a motivational speaker, an advocate against humanity sex trafficking or they use is as some religious testimony. It is unlikely your scenario would happen. Once again actually read the stories or speak with them. Do not assume. Before doing research and listening to them I thought most choose to do it because of drugs. They aren't like former strippers. I never met a former prostitute who didn't share her life story or didn't make her former life a huge part of her identity.

>>What about if you found out she didn't sell her body, but had numerous sexual partners before meeting you? Technically she wasn't a prostitute, just a slut. Would you dump her?

No. I'm not a traditionalist. My manhood isn't threaten by other men. If anything having multiple means no emotionally connection. That is what I would be more concerned with. If she doesn't have any STDs/STIs, no children out of wedlock, and no crazy stalkers I am fine. I have a past too so it would be hypocritical for me not to be with a slut because the I am a slut too. Besides having a lot of sexual partners does not mean you will be a bad parent, abusive, a cheater, etc. I don't assume that to be a bad trait.

Lol. She choose to have sex with men. A slut is nothing like a prostitute. She was not forced into it. Nor did she fear for her life constantly. She has sex for fun not because she has to. She can enjoy sex instead of suffer. She can request for protection instead of the john refusing it. She doesn't have to have sex pregnant (johns pay more for pregnant women). She is in contact with her family instead of thinking she may never see them again. She is not on drugs to get away from the horrors she faces. She had a choice to stop instead of knowoing she would be killed. (One prostitute I talked to recalled 2 women who tried to leave her pimp. One was shot in the face by him the other went to the police and was actually raped by them).

Last thought. This thread was about cuddling children but turned into a pro Prostitution thread. MAPs need to focus in on the real isssues. Legalizing Prostitution (assueming this is what is the purpose of discussion) does not remove the stigma you all have. Comparing your struggle to Prostitution actually makes you all look worse. You appear to only care about sex but not the individuals involved with sex.

I really think this thread should go back to non sexual contact with children. that is a better topic and much more realistic goal.

>>4886

I jumped in to counter question dodging. I answered your questions because they added some background on my thoughts.

The hypothetical listed said nothing about how she sold her body. If she kept it hidden that long, you're own admission proves she wasn't forced into it for little money. More likely she was an upper class call girl.

You also use a spotlight fallacy based on personal experience to write off entirely the concept of prostitution.

I agree about the topic, though. We shouldn't be talking about child prostitution when it's frowned upon to have any relationship with a kid.

>>4885

You are totally and completely missing the point.

I admitted from the start, there's good and bad in prostitution just as there's good and bad in adult/child relations. One doesn't negate the other.

Stop living in your cocoon surrounded by crack whores and get out in the world and meet some high class hookers that sell the pussy for diamonds, not rocks of cocaine they think are diamonds.

>>4880

Thank you again. What would be really nice is a continuing dialogue that everyone could benefit from.

We were all kids once so we all remember being curious and eager to learn and experience new things, often to gain attention and approval from adults, or at least to be seen as one of the cool kids who went out and did stuff.

Sadly kids today are overprotected which only makes them unprepared and left at risk in many ways later in life. Dependency is far more dangerous than strangers who are all terrified to be anywhere near somebody else's child, either because of what they saw on the news or a tragedy close to home (the movie Witch Hunt comes to mind, over 30 lives ruined and 2 ended with no physical evidence, only hysteria and paranoia, and now several of the parents involved are still afraid to be alone with their own children).

To be clear on prostitution I'm with Chris Rock: they don't grade fathers, but if your daughter is a stripper (or prostitute) you F'd up. That said, people have to be free to make their own lives. Total freedom necessitates responsibility. If you're old enough to make the decision either to sell your services (regardless of what they are) or to seek them, that's your business and your consequences to deal with.

Child prostitution is never voluntary so I can't condone it. However, I'm entirely in favor of girls freely choosing to be companions and stress-relief administrators for lonely single guys (or even married ones assuming the wife approves). Compensation doesn't even have to be money. Some girls just need someone to talk to, a supportive father/big brother type with transportation and a job and other things they don't have. And then there's the issue of maybe sharing some affection which most folks seem to have the worst assumptions and biggest problems with.

As for your final comment I must correct you. It's backwards. Be wary of any creep wanting anything from your child. But if YOUR child wants to befriend someone they know and trust, then you can consider welcoming them.

To be continued I hope…