Can a philosopher be "overrated"?If so, is there an example of one?

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Anonymous 07/23/15 (Thu) 18:47:18 423946 No.1867

Can a philosopher be "overrated"?

If so, is there an example of one?

Anonymous 08/10/15 (Mon) 02:34:06 df170f No.1888

Schopenhauer is definitely underrated

Anonymous 08/10/15 (Mon) 23:51:07 6637d7 No.1889

>>1888

I listened to an audiobook on him and holy shit is the "will" a depressing concept...

Anonymous 08/11/15 (Tue) 04:54:22 7a5dcf No.1890

>>1888

I've never looked into Schopenhauer because my impression was always that Nietzsche had managed to tackle him on his own terms, and yielded a more successful and hopeful philosophy.

Do you see Schopenhauer's thought as withstanding Nietzsche's critique, and how so?

Anonymous 08/13/15 (Thu) 20:52:04 209739 No.1901

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>>1890

Nietzsche doesn't necessarily put down any philosophy through sheer undeniable logic. Nietzsche's argument against Schopenhauer is purely aesthetic.

Do you like depressive, nihilistic philosophy? No? Then Nietzsche has a good response. It's what your passions and sentiments are, not the logic of the arguments.

Anonymous 08/18/15 (Tue) 03:57:20 0cf753 No.1913

I tried readin Nietsche in 10th grade. I wasn't impressed and gathered that he was a nihilist, but maybe I wasn't comprehending him correctly. Will try again. The dalai lama and really all zen/buddhist teachers are over-rated.

Anonymous 08/18/15 (Tue) 05:11:49 6637d7 No.1916

>>1913

I was under the impression that he was a passionate anti-nihilist.

Anonymous 08/20/15 (Thu) 06:29:37 dacb8f No.1918

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>>1916

That's the impression im getting from him with my limited exposure of Gay Science and what little of Zarathustra i've read so far.

The love in his aphorisms are pretty moving.

Anonymous 08/20/15 (Thu) 22:50:45 6637d7 No.1919

>>1918

I continued reading him today and there is no doubt in my mind now of what I said. I just said I was unsure because the people of the internet have a tendency to post "ACTUALLY-" to everything you thought you knew.

Anonymous 08/20/15 (Thu) 23:05:53 6637d7 No.1920

>>1918

Also, funny thing is, I've been reading my Nietzsche from "The Basic Writings of Nietzsche," which contains most of his major complete books, EXCEPT The Gay Science and Zarathustra. :P

Anonymous 08/22/15 (Sat) 03:19:28 dacb8f No.1922

>>1920

>>1919

Are you cute? I could use some cuteboy to philosophize with

Anonymous 08/22/15 (Sat) 04:02:56 6637d7 No.1924

>>1922

>tfw i'm gay

>tfw i've been browsing /pol/ for so long that regardless of my faggotry i want me a traditional qt gal.

Also, I'm the complete antithesis of cute, sry.

Anonymous 12/05/15 (Sat) 01:21:14 19dabe No.2695

>>1913

>>1916

>>1918

Nietzsche is not a nihilist, he sees nihilism as a stage one overcomes in life.

Anonymous 12/05/15 (Sat) 03:47:20 66dde1 No.2696

>>1918

Nietzche is really a great guy, and I say that as a Christian who disagrees with basically everything he actually asserts. I only wish even one percent of Christianity's enemies were as serious and thoughtful as he was.

>>1913

Buddhism is absolutely overrated. It's basically a completely anti-life school of thought that exalts ceasing to exist as the most noble end.

Anonymous 12/05/15 (Sat) 06:15:49 bb57c8 No.2701

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>>1924

Why would you desire something you don't even want because of ideology?

Anonymous 12/05/15 (Sat) 12:51:28 3c89db No.2702

Nietzsche was a nihilist in denial.

Anonymous 12/06/15 (Sun) 22:27:17 5fe640 No.2717

The one year of college I have, it was at a horribly charismatic Catholic college. The whole philosophy department was on this one dude's dick, forget his name. Anyway, all this dude did was take a look at all the actual big names of philosophy, and was all "Oh, no this is what they meant." and made everything jive with Catholicism.

Religious colleges are the worst though. I was getting theology in a fucking comm arts class. Point is, people will over hype who the fuck ever backs what the fuck that person wants to believe.

Anonymous 12/07/15 (Mon) 10:04:14 5d19f8 No.2730

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>>2696

Buddhism a shit, I agree

>believe in reincarnation

>you can be anything

>literally

>a god, a cat, a loli, your soul will be one of those sooner or later

>every life is filled with happiness and sadness

>infinite lives mean infinite happiness and infinite sadness

>each life however just has a limited amount of both

Why would anyone seek the one way to completely kill yourself in this scenario, reaching Nirvana is basically genocide, you deny an infinite amount of lifeforms that could have carried your soul at a later time their birth because muh life is and endless torrent of death and suffering.

Buddhism minus the idea of reincarnation is basically just killing yourself because life is shit. Truly the most enlightened of philosophies.

Not to be too polemic though, meditation is an interesting practice, although it should be separated from all the other bullshit.

Anonymous 12/07/15 (Mon) 10:40:45 aadb79 No.2732

>>2730

How does bunch of atoms come to reason and feel in the first place? Why "self" couldn't exist again?

Anonymous 12/07/15 (Mon) 15:17:01 3c3c6e No.2733

>>2732

I don't get what you are asking because of your grammar.

Anonymous 12/07/15 (Mon) 21:06:48 b4a4e3 No.2738

The modern interpreters has probably hijacked most of the popular philosophers who had unpopular unpopular.

Anonymous 12/07/15 (Mon) 22:35:50 6637d7 No.2741

>>2701

I am not sexually attracted to them (for the most part) is what I mean, but I am romantically/æsthetically.

Anonymous 12/07/15 (Mon) 22:40:47 b4a4e3 No.2742

>>2741

Jan?

Anonymous 12/08/15 (Tue) 03:33:27 7e54b8 No.2745

>>2741

no relationship lasts without good sex or proper social pressures

Anonymous 12/08/15 (Tue) 22:45:39 7e54b8 No.2748

>>1867

Kant is seriously overrated

Wittgenstein is overrated

Hume is underrated by a huge amount.

Anonymous 12/09/15 (Wed) 02:04:43 7787a2 No.2752

>>2748

>the philosophers that made modern post-epistemological turns and ended a stupid debate are overrated

>a scottish bastard who was in the midst of a stupid endless argument about epistemology is underrated

Hume can and should burn in the depths of history for another five centuries for being a halfhearted skeptic.

Anonymous 12/09/15 (Wed) 02:37:22 6637d7 No.2753

>>2742

w-who?

Anonymous 12/12/15 (Sat) 19:18:12 b4a4e3 No.2816

>>2753

The name of my philosophy teacher.

Anonymous 12/12/15 (Sat) 20:49:25 db4f5e No.2817

>>1867

I think overrated is a subjective term. Because you gotta remember ratings are based on individual subjective judgements, and no amount of subjectivity can amount to objectivity.

Anonymous 12/14/15 (Mon) 21:24:21 fa7381 No.2829

I think Sophists and Sceptics are kind of underrated, the mainstream Greek philospohical narration doesn't give them enough credit.

Anonymous 12/17/15 (Thu) 01:07:45 ef67b2 No.2845

Kant is overrated

don't get me wrong, he is a fine fellow, but too much cock worship around him by people who didn't even read his books

Anonymous 12/22/15 (Tue) 18:53:31 30941a No.2879

>>2702

underrated post

Anonymous 12/22/15 (Tue) 20:51:28 9388a5 No.2882

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>>2730

You dont get it. You've had an essentially infinite number of lifetimes already in Buddhism. You're sick and tired of being raped as a loli thousands of times, and getting candy a thousand times. Sometimes you even remember your old lives.

Buddhism says its time to move on already. It says deep down you want to a conclusion: you want to die. Grow up and face your death.

Anonymous 12/23/15 (Wed) 00:54:05 5cc0e7 No.2885

>>2882

Buddhism says its time to move on already. It says deep down you want to a conclusion: you want to die.

Except I don't. Never wanted to. Buddhism can come back when I change my mind, in any of my lifes.

Anonymous 12/23/15 (Wed) 03:51:13 9388a5 No.2888

>>2885

Which is always an option you don't have with Christianity. Still want to be reborn in heaven? Once again Buddhism offers that. It is a more sophisticated and mature religion. Whether or not reincarnation is true, Buddhism tries to prepare your mind to accept the natural end of all things unlike in Christianity.

Anonymous 12/23/15 (Wed) 04:17:41 4ef814 No.2889

>>2885

But like most people you do not know what you really want.

Anonymous 12/24/15 (Thu) 16:22:03 5337d9 No.2937

>>1867

Wittgenstein.

Anonymous 12/24/15 (Thu) 20:09:44 407086 No.2942

>>1867

everyone after 1800

Anonymous 12/30/15 (Wed) 19:57:01 d00eeb No.3154

>>2882

Who would want to not exist? If Buddhism is true at all, why would anyone follow it? In one of these lives, surely I am granted a gateway to omniscience, and can take my seat among the mighty? Surely if I am resurrected endlessly in any manner of forms, I would eventually become a fledgling god, I would improve, and claim my seat as Eternal, and would have might, power and glory beyond measure? As the Eternal God I could change every aspect of the several hundred universes around me, I would destroy death itself, and would rule over all. The problem is, if this is what happens, if I or anyone else could be infinitely reincarnated into any form, eventually they would reach Omniscience and destroy reincarnation, so that they would remain as the greatest of all, the undying master of existance, the head of every pantheon.

Buddhism provides many of these paradoxes.

Anonymous 01/01/16 (Fri) 02:53:27 492b01 No.3190

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>>2888

>Still want to be reborn in heaven? Once again Buddhism offers that. It is a more sophisticated and mature religion.

It doesn't say anything about it, considering the matter acinteyya or "imponderable". It in fact even discourages one from thinking about it, claiming that such question are distractions that should be avoided for the sake of "practicality". How's that for sophistication and maturity?

>[Grumbling] This one's "heresy", and this one's "attachment", are the same

There's no more reason why a person achieving salvation through Christ would want to return to Earth than someone escaping rebirth through the Eightfold Path.

>Buddhism tries to prepare your mind to accept the natural end of all things unlike in Christianity.

And in doing so, guarantees such ending. Mr. Thomas has some words for you

>>2889

>But like most people you do not know what you really want

lol, #rekt amirite?

> And you give me the choice between a description that is sure but that teaches me nothing and hypotheses that claim to teach me but that are not sure. A stranger to myself and to the world, armed solely with a thought that negates itself as soon as it asserts, what is this condition in which I can have peace only by refusing to know and to live,

Anonymous 01/01/16 (Fri) 22:56:41 b6267f No.3203

>>2889

Do you know what I want? No? Then I guess I'm more qualified to say what I want.

Anonymous 01/03/16 (Sun) 04:39:57 9388a5 No.3227

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>>3190

>There's no more reason why a person achieving salvation through Christ would want to return to Earth than someone escaping rebirth through the Eightfold Path.

How about compassion? Bodhisattvas delay their departure to help others to esape from suffering first.

>It doesn't say anything about it, considering the matter acinteyya or "imponderable". It in fact even discourages one from thinking about it, claiming that such question are distractions that should be avoided for the sake of "practicality". How's that for sophistication and maturity?

Buddha spoke about his past lives in some texts. He remembered being the head god of gods 36 times (undoubtably for many long eons each time), and don't you think you would get tired of that?

"Thirty-six times I was Sakka, ruler of the devas. And many hundreds of times I was a wheel-turning monarch, righteous, a king of righteousness, conqueror of the four regions of the earth, maintaining stability in the land, in possession of the seven treasures."

Yes, you are "supposed" to focus on escaping samsara. But you can focus on other things as some schools do. The pure land school believed you the dharma had become so corrupted it was necessary to seek to be reborn in a pure land before seeking pari-nirvana.

Anonymous 01/04/16 (Mon) 12:22:46 453a49 No.3236

>>2741

..Julius?

Anonymous 03/19/16 (Sat) 20:50:54 ac89b6 No.3761

Foucault, a thousand times Foucault. Also Chomsky, but if he is looked at in a more sobering light after his death, he has a chance