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Philosophy and mental illness Anonymous 08/06/15 (Thu) 03:15:25 dbfbcd No.1877

Hey, Philosophy

I'll provide some relevant personal background: My mental health status has been going down in the last three years, I have depression, OCD and common symptoms that are associated with Schizophrenia.

During these years I developed an introverted life style so I focused on reading and exploring ideas. I got particularly interested with philosophy and linguistics.

Lately, I've been trying to get into Logic and philosophy of maths, but due to my crippling mental illness, I can't learn or even if I did I can't apply anything despite being aware of it. It makes me so sad about my condition and helpless as well. I feel everyone is having it easy because they don't have to struggle with a broken mind and messed up thinking process.

Though, every summer I get depressed and suicidal, I've never planned to commit suicide as thouroughly as I did now. Though I don't agree with it and think it is a very ugly and harmful thing to do, I see the alternative as an endless and tiring cycle of pain and misery, so painful and bitter that I began to develop irrational beliefs about it all came to be because thinking logically about it makes me want to kill myself even more.

I was born and determined to be this way, I tried everything I could, but no amount of philosophy or anything helped me, not even psychological help. I don't know what to do, I just wish it could all go away, or that I go away instead, but I'm stuck/

Sorry you had to read all of this, I know I would get bored from this.

Anonymous 08/06/15 (Thu) 05:41:52 2cf5bf No.1878

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>I was born and determined to be this way

Embrace the determination, look your body drop 20 stories and slam into the pavement like you would see rain or the moon orbiting the earth, an unavoidable event from which no moral conclusions can be made.

Some comfort and a neutral state of mind should come moments before you die, or not, states of mind might as well be caused by random shit, you might be thinking of the toilet you forgot to flush.

I don't even know if wishing you to get better or if recommending you some books will make a positive difference, I am determined to do so or not anyways.

Two words of wisdom:

仕方がない

ゆっくりしていってね

Anonymous 08/06/15 (Thu) 06:07:53 01bfaf No.1879

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Interesting. All people live with their own vantage point, but schitzos live with an internal universe. Even if your logic is messed up, you might come to take pride in having an alternate reality that others cannot see, and be able to offer insights from it. I am fond of the book "the Hardboiled Wonderland and the End of the World" for the existential themes.

Anonymous 08/06/15 (Thu) 22:00:34 f9a034 No.1881

>>1877

>I was determined to be this way

Congratulations, you are one of many who realize that feelings and thinking don't necessarily follow each other.

>I have depression

>schizo

So, there are two reasons to have depression: biological imbalances, and your mind stuck in a negative thought loop. If you've tried SSRI's and they haven't done shit, then maybe, just maybe your depression is entirely in your outlook upon your schizophrenia. I have a schizo sister who just lives like normal people are the crazy ones for not experiencing the mysteries of reality around them; she's very intelligent, but she's not worried about philosophy or having a coherent worldview since she gave that up long ago.

FYI, formal logic and math are for the most part useless in application outside of machines and small controlled experimenting. You're not missing much of anything that is actually relevant to philosophy at large nor to human flourishing. Your belief that these things are somehow really important and might help you is yet another aspect that may contribute to your depression.

For someone like you, if you really take suicide as a serious option, try some psychedelics before you die. You could have a bad trip, or you could have an amazing trip that will change the way you feel and think. Psychs are very intimately related to our neurochemistry and in some cases have outright cured what had been a so far incurable depression for some people. Why, and how? Who fucking knows, but the shit hits your sensory and emotional systems hard and bypasses your typical conscious and logical defenses. If death is your only option, you might as well try them.

Anonymous 08/08/15 (Sat) 16:03:58 ca00f6 No.1883

>>1877

Go cry OP and let all the bad water out.

Anonymous 08/11/15 (Tue) 20:41:27 a6767f No.1891

Nigga you need pills and love, not philosophy and isolation.

Anonymous 08/12/15 (Wed) 23:50:13 22d6b9 No.1897

>>1877

Someone's mixing up formal and informal logic.

Anonymous 08/16/15 (Sun) 15:37:52 3419d5 No.1906

You are crippling yourself. Read that post again and you will see you have already made up your mind to not achieve that which you want to achieve, and you are now asking us to justify ~your~ decision for you. Stop indentifying as mentally ill and watch your symptoms disappear

Anonymous 08/17/15 (Mon) 03:31:08 3f14da No.1907

>>1906

Schizophrenia doesn't work like that. It's a biological disorder that fragments the brain.

Anonymous 08/17/15 (Mon) 17:23:24 3419d5 No.1910

>>1907

Idk, my did is schizotypal. I started feeling like I was losing touch with reality, but I realized it was all in my head. Stopped smoking weed and watching porn. Now my head is so clear. But I can't speak for all cases. But if you want to keep identifying as a loser that's all you ever will be.

Anonymous 08/23/15 (Sun) 19:00:20 8208b7 No.1935

>>1877

Op, I was like you at one time, I was faced with persistent knowledge enveloping my life that the universe is a facade, and that there are aliens behind the curtain who want to see nothing more then my eternal pain, and suffering at level that transcend understanding. Forever being mashed in a torrent, of acid flame contorting to unimaginable position that do not exist, until then. But then I thought, I can not kill myself because it would only quicken the process, and I can't be worried now because there will never been a joy. Though even in the grasp of the eternal hell, this happiness, no matter how ever shrinking a moment compared to a ever growing misery, would still be there, even in an immaterial, that no longer exist at my fate but it least will now. See, everything works out,