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 No.238

Is there a physical proof of our instincts? Like we know stuff about consciousness and memory, maybe not too detailed but still it exists physically, what i wonder is if there's anything specific that causes our instincts biologically or are they learned afterwards

 No.242

You don't think something like a cockroach is evidence enough? You stomp and it runs. Do you suppose it had to learn to do that in some abstract way?

Honest question, what do you think?

 No.245

>>242

in an abstract way? no, i think its either just what it learns or theres something biological that causes instincts, not solely dependant on the information the cockroach has, but i have no physical proof about it or i have not read anything on this subject so i can not further discuss it.
but i think things like sexuality, emotions and some other stuff are there, they come from the nature, i am not saying they are purely instincts but those instincts can be triggered by information or afterwards can be corrupted by information one has.

 No.265

Babies are born all the time. They all cry out for a parental figure, and suck nipples/thumb/etc. They cry/laugh/shit without knowing what those things are. They do it automatically like a simple machine. An instinct. Its been observed and proven everyday. There is no mystery to this.

 No.288

>>238
Not a full psychological model, no. Because what would that be limited by? Where are the endpoints of influence/energy/mind when they are interconnected all across the planet and further, ultimately? See Godel's theorem, also. Modern science is too busy probing the brain still, observing the afterglow of what's really behind every thought, which is always in motion.

Reality comes down to worldview, on the perception level, which is really beautiful and mathematical when you realize that people who can't grasp it simply never will even when they have the intuitions given to them in word form. For those who can, you just have to keep pushing your mind, keep thinking and working on yourself and there are some very helpful websites out there.

>Babies are born all the time. They all cry out for a parental figure, and suck nipples/thumb/etc. They cry/laugh/shit without knowing what those things are. They do it automatically like a simple machine. An instinct. Its been observed and proven everyday. There is no mystery to this.

The mystery is there because some of us want to know a consistent, coherent and complete understanding of the thing-in-itself, including where the boundaries of all the different definitions may occur; not just the observed after-effects of said things in deliberate social contexts. In other words, we want to understand reality itself, rather than just sampling it and comparing data.

>>245
>no, i think its either just what it learns or theres something biological that causes instincts, not solely dependant on the information the cockroach has

But what causes the thing that causes?

Philosophy is supposed to tackle the most fundamental assumptions. Try this one:

>A universe of matter cannot spontaneously give rise to mind. Matter on its own can't think.

>The inverse is the only logical alternative: the universe is fundamentally mind, and gives rise to matter.

 No.327

This isn't philosophy, this is science.



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