/philosophy/ - Philosophy

>>3434

Not if you accept it and affirm life regardless (see: Stoics, Spinoza, and Nietzsche).

Your reaction has already been determined.

yes

it was already determined that I would say yes

it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say yes

it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say yes

it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say yes

it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say yes

it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say yes

it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say yes

it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say it was already determined that I would say yes

>>3484

This. You could have thought still and make choices but every choice you make is determined by what you believe/have a proclivity toward. You could have a proclivity toward altruism or nihilism, either way, that's been determined already by your past which was determined by everybody's past which was determined by the very beginning creation of life which was determined by the very beginning creation of everything.

>>3509

>>3484

Then it's not determinism

>>3549

>do you even read?

determinism =/= fatalism

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/determinism-causal/

>>3484

This is completely unimportant, they both to the same conclusion we are the extension of other processes, and not the other way around.

>>3659

>browses /philosophy/

>doesn't read

pick one

>>3656

There is a difference between "it was already determined that I would say yes" and "I will inevitably say yes". They both come to the same conclusion that we are the extension of other processes but in different ways.

You can take a train to another city on pre-built tracks, or you can drive there on the roads by following signs. You will get to the same destination and be taken there without your own free-will, but you got there differently.

"It was already determined that I would say yes" is fatalism, which is not the same as determinism.

>>3660

They are different but that have the same impact so yes it is of importance in abstract philosophy, but not for practical application. I mean either one can be true, both of them as claim to reality should be considered metaphysics. As far as I can see to see it one way or the other, is simply about what you like. Science seems to support things, causing other things, but both ideas, are just as valid when it comes to how.

>>3661

>not for practical application

>expecting philosophy to be practical

nigger why are you even here?fdgdfgdf

>>3661

Fatalism says something will be regardless of preceding events, the other says something will be the necessary consequence of preceding events.

For a practical application, take the judicial system. Fatalists would say that if that person is fated to commit another crime, then why bother punishing or imprisoning them? If it's fated there's nothing we can do.

Some determinists (because there are many different strands of determinism) would say that the only way to stop them committing crimes against would be punishment/rehabilitation, since that is the cause that is required for them to stop doing that. Without doing that the person is more likely to re-offend. The imprisonment/rehabilitation is what causes the person to stop committing crime, rather than merely fate.

determinism sucks muh radical freedom

Indeterminism results in nihilism as well. A better question would be what doesn't result in nihilism

>>3760

stoicisim