/philosophy/ - Philosophy

You need to provide an argument for why it isn't you moron. He who makes the claim is the one who requires proof. You make an implied claim that it isn't, so prove it.

>>373
I'm not making a claim, I'm asking a question.

>>376
A question with an already assumed position that it isn't justified.

If you were curious about a legitimately open question, you would have asked if suicide is right/wrong. Asking if it is justifiable implies that it must be justified in the first place because if it isn't it is automatically wrong, which is just retarded.

It's like asking if masturbation is justified. Why in the world should it have to be unless you assume that if it isn't justified as good, then it must then be bad. This is a false dichotomy. Not all things are on the good-bad spectrum, indeed most things are one sidedly good/bad and their lack of justification doesn't necessarily grant the opposing point.

>>372
Why do you even care? If one kills himself can he than experience the social consequences that are usually associated with wrong doing? No. So just off yourself when you want to, it's not that you have to live with it for the rest of your life, it stops right there.

>>376
>>377
It's called a Loaded question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

The ethical defensibility of suicide rests entirely on the priorities and ethical system has.

For the Stoics, suicide can be defensible for a sage who has attained Eudaimonia or (in Seneca's view) for someone whose autonomy is being imposed on.

For Kant, suicide isn't justifiable because it treats human life as the means to an end - the ending of one's pain, for instance - when for him human life is supposed to be an end in itself.

For Schopenhauer, suicide can be justifiable on the basis that one should have, if nothing else, autonomy over their own life, and that a prescriptive, anti-suicide view undercuts this entirely.

For a Utilitarian, suicide could be justified if there was no foreseeable future in which the net amount of pleasures would supersede the net amount of pains in one's life.

For an Existentialist Absurdist like Camus, suicide isn't justifiable; The Myth of Sisyphus is in fact based on the problem of suicide. I haven't read The Myth of Sisyphus as of yet, but from what I know about it, he believes suicide isn't justifiable because life is simply absurd and suicide isn't a solution to that. One should rather live to appreciate the beauty of the the world and its absurdity - or something like that. I won't pretend to know about Camus' answer to that.

So, OP, there are plenty of arguments for the justification of suicide - as well as denouncements of its justifiability. Posting this thread seems trite and unnecessary since you didn't really make a claim in posting it, but rather provided a very general philosophical question that anyone with any interest in the subject has probably read about already.

>>373
>>376
>>411

Don't worry, friends. We've all been insufferable faggots at one point. You guys will get better sometime after you have your master's degree.

>>418
Well we have a philosophy major here. I minored in it, and am doing much better than my best friend who majored in it, because of that.

But I consider myself an Existentialist and Camus is my favorite. Yes Camus thinks suicide is the "easy way out", but the guy's an Existentialist and at the end of the day I don't think he has much of an issue if chose to end your own life.

I do agree with your conclusion though. This guy has summarized pretty well how many philosophies/philosophers tackled the issue.

For me, I don't see any reason why it's objectionable. I don't know what a person isn't entitled to if it isn't to take their own life.